Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-PVs

[Jerry Shafer]

They have been building and selling inverter wired modules, nothing
special, they are a novelty then and now. Good micro inverters or better
yet is oprimizers have so far been better then brand X inverters that if in
the event there is a failure where do you go. But thats just me.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, 8:42 PM frenergy  wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
>  Not sure if AC panels are being installed yet, am I living
> under a rock?  We've been really happy with LG NeON 370 watt panels and
> wondering if anybody has installed any of their AC panels yet:
>
> https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg380m1c-a6
>
> or any other AC PVs.  The LGs may still be vaporware.
>
> Bill
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-PVs

[Dave Tedeyan]

Hi Bill,
Your assumption is right about the rapid shutdown. Like any microinverter,
as soon as you cut grid power, the output goes to 0V.
Actually funny you mention the 395w AC panels. I am fairly certain that LG
stopped making the AC panels in their NeON R line, which is that second
link you sent. I was told they were not moving enough of those AC panels so
they stopped making them. You might still be able to find some of them out
there from suppliers in their random stock, but they are no longer actively
stocked. They are actively producing the AC panels in their NeON 2 line,
which is the 380w ones from your first link. My supplier should be getting
the 380's by around the new year, as they just switched over from the
375's. Then there are also 370w ones with the black backsheet. (
https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg370m1k-a6).

Cheers,
Dave

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:04 AM frenergy  wrote:

> That's a pretty hefty reimbursement for replacing a failed unit, they must
> of actually been thinking about the installer.  I also like the high
> efficiency PV they paired it with, 395 watts and its still 60 cell,
> inverter 97% CEC .
>
> Sorry about the wrong link, here's the correct one:
>
> https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-r/lg-lg395a1c-a6
>
> Should I assume that if the fire department pulls the meter at
> a house fire, that qualifies as rapid shutdown?
>
> Bill
> On 12/7/2021 5:27 AM, Dave Tedeyan wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
> I started installing the LG AC modules this year. So far they seem like a
> great product. I have about 120 of them in the field so far, but I have had
> 0 issues. I used to install the Sunpower AC modules, but I like these more.
> There are no DC leads at all. There are just AC cables coming out of the
> microinverter on the back that connect to the next panel, so there is no AC
> drop cable. It takes a little getting used to the best ways to wire manage,
> but I've been finding it pretty straightforward. The commissioning process
> goes much more smoothly than it ever did with Sunpower. Two minor drawbacks
> - One is that with the commissioning, the customer needs to log in and
> approve the system before the monitoring will work. Two, is that the panel
> and microinverter are entirely one piece, so that if a microinverter were
> to fail the entire unit needs to get replaced. LG does offer a $450 labor
> reimbursement, and I have not had any issues yet, but that will be a more
> involved service than a simple microinverter replacement. Overall, these
> sell at a good price point and make for a simple installation. I wish that
> they would still offer AC panels in their NeON R line as well, but
> supposedly they were not selling very many of those.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:42 PM frenergy  wrote:
>
>> Wrenches,
>>
>>  Not sure if AC panels are being installed yet, am I living
>> under a rock?  We've been really happy with LG NeON 370 watt panels and
>> wondering if anybody has installed any of their AC panels yet:
>>
>> https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg380m1c-a6
>>
>> or any other AC PVs.  The LGs may still be vaporware.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049
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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-PVs

[frenergy]

That's a pretty hefty reimbursement for replacing a failed unit, they 
must of actually been thinking about the installer.  I also like the 
high efficiency PV they paired it with, 395 watts and its still 60 
cell,  inverter 97% CEC .


            Sorry about the wrong link, here's the correct one:

https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-r/lg-lg395a1c-a6

            Should I assume that if the fire department pulls the meter 
at a house fire, that qualifies as rapid shutdown?


Bill

On 12/7/2021 5:27 AM, Dave Tedeyan wrote:

Hi Bill,
I started installing the LG AC modules this year. So far they seem 
like a great product. I have about 120 of them in the field so far, 
but I have had 0 issues. I used to install the Sunpower AC modules, 
but I like these more. There are no DC leads at all. There are just AC 
cables coming out of the microinverter on the back that connect to the 
next panel, so there is no AC drop cable. It takes a little getting 
used to the best ways to wire manage, but I've been finding it pretty 
straightforward. The commissioning process goes much more smoothly 
than it ever did with Sunpower. Two minor drawbacks - One is that with 
the commissioning, the customer needs to log in and approve the system 
before the monitoring will work. Two, is that the panel and 
microinverter are entirely one piece, so that if a microinverter were 
to fail the entire unit needs to get replaced. LG does offer a $450 
labor reimbursement, and I have not had any issues yet, but that will 
be a more involved service than a simple microinverter replacement. 
Overall, these sell at a good price point and make for a simple 
installation. I wish that they would still offer AC panels in their 
NeON R line as well, but supposedly they were not selling very many of 
those.


Cheers,
Dave

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:42 PM frenergy  wrote:

Wrenches,

         Not sure if AC panels are being installed yet, am I
living
under a rock?  We've been really happy with LG NeON 370 watt
panels and
wondering if anybody has installed any of their AC panels yet:

https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg380m1c-a6

or any other AC PVs.  The LGs may still be vaporware.

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net 


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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-PVs

[Mac Lewis]

Hi Bill,

My experience with AC panels is minimal but I wasn't too happy with them.
I was using a Solaria 355 with a IQ7+ micro.  We came away feeling like
there was very little advantage with the AC panel except the wire
management.  What I didn't like is that it forces your rail to be in a very
small range to comply with our snow load (at least with this version)
because the microinverter position is fixed on the panel and is positioned
below the frame.  This adds more constraints to your layout.  Just don't
see much advantage.

Thanks

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 9:42 PM frenergy  wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
>  Not sure if AC panels are being installed yet, am I living
> under a rock?  We've been really happy with LG NeON 370 watt panels and
> wondering if anybody has installed any of their AC panels yet:
>
> https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg380m1c-a6
>
> or any other AC PVs.  The LGs may still be vaporware.
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net
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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-PVs

[Dave Tedeyan]

Hi Bill,
I started installing the LG AC modules this year. So far they seem like a
great product. I have about 120 of them in the field so far, but I have had
0 issues. I used to install the Sunpower AC modules, but I like these more.
There are no DC leads at all. There are just AC cables coming out of the
microinverter on the back that connect to the next panel, so there is no AC
drop cable. It takes a little getting used to the best ways to wire manage,
but I've been finding it pretty straightforward. The commissioning process
goes much more smoothly than it ever did with Sunpower. Two minor drawbacks
- One is that with the commissioning, the customer needs to log in and
approve the system before the monitoring will work. Two, is that the panel
and microinverter are entirely one piece, so that if a microinverter were
to fail the entire unit needs to get replaced. LG does offer a $450 labor
reimbursement, and I have not had any issues yet, but that will be a more
involved service than a simple microinverter replacement. Overall, these
sell at a good price point and make for a simple installation. I wish that
they would still offer AC panels in their NeON R line as well, but
supposedly they were not selling very many of those.

Cheers,
Dave

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:42 PM frenergy  wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
>  Not sure if AC panels are being installed yet, am I living
> under a rock?  We've been really happy with LG NeON 370 watt panels and
> wondering if anybody has installed any of their AC panels yet:
>
> https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg380m1c-a6
>
> or any other AC PVs.  The LGs may still be vaporware.
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net
>
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[RE-wrenches] AC-PVs

[frenergy]

Wrenches,

            Not sure if AC panels are being installed yet, am I living 
under a rock?  We've been really happy with LG NeON 370 watt panels and 
wondering if anybody has installed any of their AC panels yet:


https://www.lg.com/us/business/neon-2/lg-lg380m1c-a6

or any other AC PVs.  The LGs may still be vaporware.

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net


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