Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-15 Thread Jerry Shafer 
Wrenches
Yes, the wire tie asks like a deflector protecting the ribbon, works great,
goes quick, inverters are too heavy to deal with for a simple fan swap.
BTW, Replace the temp sensor at the same time.
Jerry

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 7:22 PM frenergy  wrote:

> Considering slot/board alignment, ribbon cable, sensor and poor visibility
> when attempting either a board change or fan swap on a VFX Flex Power 3 or
> 4, if you're doing it on one of the FX's in the middle, leaving on the wall
> may not work out so well.  Might be time to pull it off.
>
> Jerry, so is the nylon wire tie idea to allow the casting to
> push in the ribbon cable a little as the case slides past it without
> catching on it?
>
> And I think it was Ray about replacing boards when the fan
> dies.  I've had fans die in 5-6 years and boards last 15+ years though it
> does depend on how old everything is and the condition of those pesky relay
> covers.  Both boards are a lot more money than just the fan if the
> situation doesn't qualify for yanking boards.
>
> Bill
>
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> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
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> On 2/15/2021 12:20 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
>
> Thats the only way I have done repairs and service, why fight the weight
> if you don't need to plus its just more to do.
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 8:02 AM  wrote:
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>> wall?
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-15 Thread frenergy 
Considering slot/board alignment, ribbon cable, sensor and poor 
visibility when attempting either a board change or fan swap on a VFX 
Flex Power 3 or 4, if you're doing it on one of the FX's in the middle, 
leaving on the wall may not work out so well.  Might be time to pull it off.


            Jerry, so is the nylon wire tie idea to allow the casting 
to push in the ribbon cable a little as the case slides past it without 
catching on it?


            And I think it was Ray about replacing boards when the fan 
dies.  I've had fans die in 5-6 years and boards last 15+ years though 
it does depend on how old everything is and the condition of those pesky 
relay covers.  Both boards are a lot more money than just the fan if the 
situation doesn't qualify for yanking boards.


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net

On 2/15/2021 12:20 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
Thats the only way I have done repairs and service, why fight the 
weight if you don't need to plus its just more to do.


On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 8:02 AM > wrote:


has anyone successfully done this without removing the inverter
from the wall?

todd






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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-15 Thread Tuss, Lones 
HI Ron
Below is a link to a video on how to change a fan in an OutBack Inverter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tlsk0sa1bY
I believe there are several videos for doing this.
I hope this helps.
Take Care

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Subject: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had a 
fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head start 
here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not sure 
about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.

Ron

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-15 Thread Jerry Shafer 
Thats the only way I have done repairs and service, why fight the weight if
you don't need to plus its just more to do.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 8:02 AM  wrote:

> has anyone successfully done this without removing the inverter from the
> wall?
>
> todd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:26pm, "Foxfire Energy" <
> d...@foxfire-energy.com> said:
>
> Fan replacement is easier than boards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:00 PM, John Blittersdorf <
> john.blittersd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
> Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is
> in that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power
> wire needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the
> circuit board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and
> remove the fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back
> in before completing the replacement of the case.
> If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic
> spacers on the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head
> screws removed from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case
> to the inverter base removed and lift the case up part way until you can
> see the fan wire.
> John Blittersdorf
> CV Wind Service
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ron Young 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has
>> had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head
>> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not
>> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>>
>> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-15 Thread Kent Osterberg 
For a GVFX you don't have to worry about reinstalling the large o-ring 
on the perimeter of the case, so you can do it without taking it off the 
wall. Don't think I'd disassemble a sealed case unit without taking it 
off the wall because it is just about impossible to get the o-ring back 
in place. But you have everything removed to the point that there are 
only four screws left, so you might not be saving any time. To protect 
the ribbon cable during reassembly I put a heavy piece of paper (like a 
slick coated business card) over it that extends to the outside. When 
the case screws are partially tightened, the paper is removed.


Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar


On 2/14/2021 8:08 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote:


has anyone successfully done this without removing the inverter from 
the wall?


todd



On Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:26pm, "Foxfire Energy" 
 said:


Fan replacement is easier than boards

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:00 PM, John Blittersdorf
 wrote:

Hi Ron,
    Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the
fan is in that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember
the fan power wire needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as
not to rip it off the circuit board it is attached to.  Then you
will just turn the case over and remove the fan and replace with
the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in before completing the
replacement of the case.
If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round
plastic spacers on the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small
Phillips head screws removed from the exposed AC board, and the 8
screws holding the case to the inverter base removed and lift the
case up part way until you can see the fan wire.
John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ron Young
mailto:solarea...@solareagle.com>> wrote:

Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter
that has had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but
thought I might get a head start here. Is this a field
replaceable item? I know the boards are but not sure about the
fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.

Ron

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Jay 
Yes but it faster to remove it than fight the boards shifting. 

Best trick I know is to cut a slot in the DCA so you can pull it out without 
removing the cables first. Of course you have to remove it to cut the slot. 

Jay
Peltz power. 

> On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:32 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote:
> 
> 
> has anyone successfully done this without removing the inverter from the wall?
> 
> todd
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:26pm, "Foxfire Energy" 
>  said:
> 
> Fan replacement is easier than boards 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:00 PM, John Blittersdorf  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ron,
> Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is in 
> that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power wire 
> needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the circuit 
> board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and remove 
> the fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in before 
> completing the replacement of the case.  
> If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic spacers 
> on the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head screws 
> removed from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case to the 
> inverter base removed and lift the case up part way until you can see the fan 
> wire. 
> John Blittersdorf 
> CV Wind Service 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:
>> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had 
>> a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head 
>> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not 
>> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>> 
>> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Nick A Lucchese 
Greetings Ron,

Yes they are quite simple to replace and inexpensive as well. I highly 
recommend purchasing Outback replacement parts from zonnaenergy.com as they 
offer great support and often have more replacement parts than Outback 
themselves. Count on 45 minutes to an hour 15 to remove all the necessary AC 
and DC conductors and removal from wall plus re-installation. You may want to 
order a replacement thermistor at the same time depending on it’s age.

Nick A Lucchese



> On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Ron Young  wrote:
> 
> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had a 
> fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head start 
> here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not sure 
> about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
> 
> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Jerry Shafer 
Supper easy to do hanging on the wall, yes be carfull of the ribbon so use
a nylon wire tie to protect the the ribbon when putting the cover back on.
The wire tie goes perpendicular to the ribbon as you slide the cover back
on. Easy!
Jerry

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 8:46 PM Ray  wrote:

> You'll pinch the ribbon cable, get really pissed and have to take it off
> the wall anyway.  I just deal with the tight AC connections, the DC main
> lugs that should not be torqued over 7 ft-lbs, and take it off the wall.
> Every time. I also now go ahead and do the control board, and the AC board
> if the clear covered relays are getting hard to see through from soot on
> the inside.   I just don't have time any more to run out 3 times in 6
> months fixing an old Outback system.
>
> Its really like replacing the timing belt on a car and not replacing the
> water pump at the same time.  A year from now, you'll wish you did.
>
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
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> On 2/14/21 11:08 PM, Howie Michaelson wrote:
>
> Ron,
> Easier than board replacement, but you need to open the body up the same
> way. The fan is attached to the upper part of the housing - 4 screws and a
> single connection. Trick will be finding the fan, although I think lots of
> distributors still have it in stock.
> Howie
>
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> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:
>
>> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has
>> had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head
>> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not
>> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>>
>> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Ray 
You'll pinch the ribbon cable, get really pissed and have to take it off 
the wall anyway.  I just deal with the tight AC connections, the DC main 
lugs that should not be torqued over 7 ft-lbs, and take it off the 
wall.  Every time. I also now go ahead and do the control board, and the 
AC board if the clear covered relays are getting hard to see through 
from soot on the inside. I just don't have time any more to run out 3 
times in 6 months fixing an old Outback system.


Its really like replacing the timing belt on a car and not replacing the 
water pump at the same time.  A year from now, you'll wish you did.


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 2/14/21 11:08 PM, Howie Michaelson wrote:

Ron,
Easier than board replacement, but you need to open the body up the 
same way. The fan is attached to the upper part of the housing - 4 
screws and a single connection. Trick will be finding the fan, 
although I think lots of distributors still have it in stock.

Howie

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Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter
that has had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought
I might get a head start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I
know the boards are but not sure about the fan. Any info much
appreciated, thanks.

Ron

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread toddcory 

has anyone successfully done this without removing the inverter from the wall?

todd
 
 


On Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:26pm, "Foxfire Energy"  
said:


Fan replacement is easier than boards 


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Hi Ron,
Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is in 
that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power wire 
needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the circuit 
board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and remove the 
fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in before 
completing the replacement of the case.  
If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic spacers on 
the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head screws removed 
from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case to the inverter 
base removed and lift the case up part way until you can see the fan wire. 
John Blittersdorf 
CV Wind Service 



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but thought I might get a head start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I 
know the boards are but not sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, 
thanks.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Howie Michaelson 
Ron,
Easier than board replacement, but you need to open the body up the same
way. The fan is attached to the upper part of the housing - 4 screws and a
single connection. Trick will be finding the fan, although I think lots of
distributors still have it in stock.
Howie

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On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:

> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has
> had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head
> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not
> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>
> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Jerry Shafer 
Field replaceable, just like any work inside the inverter be very carefull
to protect the ribbon and when removing front cover the fan is plugged into
a board and you can damage the board if you are pull the cover to far away
Jerry

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Foxfire Energy 
Fan replacement is easier than boards

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Hi Ron,
Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is in 
that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power wire 
needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the circuit 
board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and remove the 
fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in before 
completing the replacement of the case.

If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic spacers on 
the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head screws removed 
from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case to the inverter 
base removed and lift the case up part way until you can see the fan wire.

John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service




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mailto:solarea...@solareagle.com>> wrote:
Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had a 
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here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not sure 
about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.

Ron

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread William Miller 
Also, make sure the ribbon cable is tucked away against the transformer so you 
don’t pinch it. 

William Miller
www.millersolar.com

> On Feb 14, 2021, at 6:00 PM, John Blittersdorf  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ron,
> Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is in 
> that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power wire 
> needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the circuit 
> board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and remove 
> the fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in before 
> completing the replacement of the case.  
> 
> If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic spacers 
> on the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head screws 
> removed from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case to the 
> inverter base removed and lift the case up part way until you can see the fan 
> wire. 
> 
> John Blittersdorf 
> CV Wind Service 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:
>> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had 
>> a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head 
>> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not 
>> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>> 
>> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Jay 
Most of the major wholesalers carry this part. 

Don’t waste your time calling OB. 

Replace the temp sensor while you are in there. 

Jay
Peltz power. 

> On Feb 14, 2021, at 7:00 PM, John Blittersdorf  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ron,
> Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is in 
> that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power wire 
> needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the circuit 
> board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and remove 
> the fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in before 
> completing the replacement of the case.  
> 
> If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic spacers 
> on the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head screws 
> removed from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case to the 
> inverter base removed and lift the case up part way until you can see the fan 
> wire. 
> 
> John Blittersdorf 
> CV Wind Service 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:
>> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had 
>> a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head 
>> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not 
>> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>> 
>> Ron
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Jason Szumlanski 
Easy swap.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:

> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has
> had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread John Blittersdorf 
Hi Ron,
Yes it is field repairable. Just open up the inverter and the fan is in
that outer housing.  When lifting the case up, remember the fan power wire
needs by be unplugged as you lift the case as not to rip it off the circuit
board it is attached to.  Then you will just turn the case over and remove
the fan and replace with the new one.  Then carefully plug it back in
before completing the replacement of the case.

If you haven’t opened one up before, the red and black round plastic
spacers on the dc terminals are screwed off, the six small Phillips head
screws removed from the exposed AC board, and the 8 screws holding the case
to the inverter base removed and lift the case up part way until you can
see the fan wire.

John Blittersdorf
CV Wind Service




On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ron Young  wrote:

> Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has
> had a fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head
> start here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not
> sure about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.
>
> Ron
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[RE-wrenches] GVFX3524 fan replacement

2021-02-14 Thread Ron Young 
Hi Wrenches, I have a client with an Outback GVFX3524 inverter that has had a 
fan failure. I will check with Outback but thought I might get a head start 
here. Is this a field replaceable item? I know the boards are but not sure 
about the fan. Any info much appreciated, thanks.

Ron

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