Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

2017-11-29 Thread Jason Szumlanski 
Nick,

Can you confirm that there are plans to have a single Envoy that is
backward compatible with both IQ and M series? I'm pretty sure I heard that
in a webinar.

Good news on the communication issue. That's a relief!

Jason


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Nick Soleil <nsol...@enphaseenergy.com>
wrote:

> Enphase does allow an IQ Envoy and an older Envoy (Envoy-S or earlier) on
> the same site.We were initially conservative and didn't officially
> recommend it, but have removed that wording from our IQ Microinverter
> datasheet and from our trainings.
>
>
> The new IQ Envoy won't talk to the M and S-series micros (and vice-versa),
> so you will need two Envoys, one of them being an IQ Envoy.
>
>
> Cordially,
>
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>
> Enphase Energy | Product Manager, Envoy and IQ Accessories
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> From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf
> of Jason Szumlanski <ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:49 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY /
> IQ-ENVOY ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER
>
> Although Enphase recommends against it I believe (mixing generations at
> this time), in theory you need one ACCP, two Envoys (one of each type), and
> you can aggregate into a single portal system (just add the second Envoy to
> the activation). I think the mixing of systems is not recommended due to
> potential communication interference.
>
> From what I understand they are launching an IQ Envoy that will handle both
> systems in the future, but they are not there yet.
>
> I'm actually sourcing some M250's at this moment to add to a M215 system
> for a client. I wanted to avoid the whole IQ issue and let someone else be
> the guinea pig, so let us know what results you have! :)
>
> We are about to have hundreds of homes with a mix of some with M series and
> some with IQ series in very close proximity. This should be interesting!
> But I don't expect any major issues home to home. The first IQ systems are
> not showing any issues yet.
>
>
> Jason Szumlanski
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Gary Willett <
> g...@icarussolarservices.com>
> wrote:
>
> >ESTEEMED WRENCHES:
> >I'm in the process of engineering a project to add 16 new Enphase IQ6
> >micros to an existing 48 Enphase M215-IG system that has been
> >in-service about 2 years.
> >The original system has a NEMA-3R outdoor AC Combiner Panel (ACCP)
> with
> >each of the (3) M215 AC strings landing on a separate 2-pole 20A
> >circuit breaker.
> >The Enlighten Envoy is mounted in a NEMA-4 plastic enclosure below the
> >ACCP, and is powered by a 1-pole 15A breaker in the ACCP.
> >My intent is to land the new 16-IQ6 string on a new 20A breaker in the
> >ACCP, and to power its Envoy (if needed) also from the ACCP.
> >In studying Enphase documents:
> >
> >  (A) IQ6 micros have to be monitored by an IQ-Envoy.
> >  (B) Envoy uses a 1-pole "L1, "N", and "EGC" a dedicated NEMA-5R
> >  receptacle branch circuit for power supply and its AC comms modem.
> >  (C) IQ-Envoy uses "L1, "L2, and "N", for power supply and its AC
> >  comms modem, and is wired directly to its dedicated 2-pole breaker.
> >
> >My questions:
> >
> >  1. Can I replace the existing Envoy with a new IQ-Envoy, and monitor
> >  the all 64 micros (48 existing M215s; 16 new IQ6s) with the new
> >  IQ-Envoy?
> >  2. If the answer to "1" is yes, that's what I would like to do.
> >  3. If the answer to "1" is no, can I still land the new IQ6 string
>

Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

2017-11-29 Thread Gary Willett 

Thanks Nick!

So we will need two Envoys, which is what I expected.

My question # 5 again. Will the Enlighten software monitoring portal 
aggregate all 64 Enphase micros into a single unified production view, 
or will two separate production views (48 existing M215s; 16 new IQ6s) 
be required for the same site?


Best regards,

Gary Willett PE
Icarus Engineering / Solar Services LLC
Irving TX

On 11/28/17 8:30 PM, Nick Soleil wrote:

Enphase does allow an IQ Envoy and an older Envoy (Envoy-S or earlier) on the 
same site.We were initially conservative and didn't officially recommend 
it, but have removed that wording from our IQ Microinverter datasheet and from 
our trainings.


The new IQ Envoy won't talk to the M and S-series micros (and vice-versa), so 
you will need two Envoys, one of them being an IQ Envoy.


Cordially,

Nick Soleil

Enphase Energy | Product Manager, Envoy and IQ Accessories


(707) 763-4784 x7267  // office

(707) 321-2937  // cell

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From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of Jason 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:49 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY 
ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

Although Enphase recommends against it I believe (mixing generations at
this time), in theory you need one ACCP, two Envoys (one of each type), and
you can aggregate into a single portal system (just add the second Envoy to
the activation). I think the mixing of systems is not recommended due to
potential communication interference.

 From what I understand they are launching an IQ Envoy that will handle both
systems in the future, but they are not there yet.

I'm actually sourcing some M250's at this moment to add to a M215 system
for a client. I wanted to avoid the whole IQ issue and let someone else be
the guinea pig, so let us know what results you have! :)

We are about to have hundreds of homes with a mix of some with M series and
some with IQ series in very close proximity. This should be interesting!
But I don't expect any major issues home to home. The first IQ systems are
not showing any issues yet.


Jason Szumlanski




On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Gary Willett <g...@icarussolarservices.com>
wrote:


ESTEEMED WRENCHES:
I'm in the process of engineering a project to add 16 new Enphase IQ6
micros to an existing 48 Enphase M215-IG system that has been
in-service about 2 years.
The original system has a NEMA-3R outdoor AC Combiner Panel (ACCP) with
each of the (3) M215 AC strings landing on a separate 2-pole 20A
circuit breaker.
The Enlighten Envoy is mounted in a NEMA-4 plastic enclosure below the
ACCP, and is powered by a 1-pole 15A breaker in the ACCP.
My intent is to land the new 16-IQ6 string on a new 20A breaker in the
ACCP, and to power its Envoy (if needed) also from the ACCP.
In studying Enphase documents:

  (A) IQ6 micros have to be monitored by an IQ-Envoy.
  (B) Envoy uses a 1-pole "L1, "N", and "EGC" a dedicated NEMA-5R
  receptacle branch circuit for power supply and its AC comms modem.
  (C) IQ-Envoy uses "L1, "L2, and "N", for power supply and its AC
  comms modem, and is wired directly to its dedicated 2-pole breaker.

My questions:

  1. Can I replace the existing Envoy with a new IQ-Envoy, and monitor
  the all 64 micros (48 existing M215s; 16 new IQ6s) with the new
  IQ-Envoy?
  2. If the answer to "1" is yes, that's what I would like to do.
  3. If the answer to "1" is no, can I still land the new IQ6 string
  on the existing ACCP, or do I need to place another ACCP just for
  the new IQ6 string and any future growth?
  4. If the answer to "1" is no, can the existing Envoy and the new
  IQ-Envoy both be powered from the same ACCP?
  5. If both the existing Envoy and the new IQ-Envoy can co-exist at
  the same customer site, will the Enlighten software monitoring
  portal aggregate all 64 Enphase micros into a single unified
  production view, or will two separate production views be required?

Thanks for your help!
Gary Willett PE
Icarus Engineering / Solar Services LLC
Irving TX
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Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

2017-11-28 Thread Nick Soleil 
Enphase does allow an IQ Envoy and an older Envoy (Envoy-S or earlier) on the 
same site.We were initially conservative and didn't officially recommend 
it, but have removed that wording from our IQ Microinverter datasheet and from 
our trainings.


The new IQ Envoy won't talk to the M and S-series micros (and vice-versa), so 
you will need two Envoys, one of them being an IQ Envoy.


Cordially,

Nick Soleil

Enphase Energy | Product Manager, Envoy and IQ Accessories


(707) 763-4784 x7267  // office

(707) 321-2937  // cell

[Enphase_esig_logo6.jpg]<https://enphase.com/>


Energy Evolved<http://enphase.com>™

Powering What’s Next™ | The Enphase Energy Management System<http://ow.ly/HbVS3>


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Texas Master Electrician #284451





From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of 
Jason Szumlanski <ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:49 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY 
ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

Although Enphase recommends against it I believe (mixing generations at
this time), in theory you need one ACCP, two Envoys (one of each type), and
you can aggregate into a single portal system (just add the second Envoy to
the activation). I think the mixing of systems is not recommended due to
potential communication interference.

>From what I understand they are launching an IQ Envoy that will handle both
systems in the future, but they are not there yet.

I'm actually sourcing some M250's at this moment to add to a M215 system
for a client. I wanted to avoid the whole IQ issue and let someone else be
the guinea pig, so let us know what results you have! :)

We are about to have hundreds of homes with a mix of some with M series and
some with IQ series in very close proximity. This should be interesting!
But I don't expect any major issues home to home. The first IQ systems are
not showing any issues yet.


Jason Szumlanski




On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Gary Willett <g...@icarussolarservices.com>
wrote:

>ESTEEMED WRENCHES:
>I'm in the process of engineering a project to add 16 new Enphase IQ6
>micros to an existing 48 Enphase M215-IG system that has been
>in-service about 2 years.
>The original system has a NEMA-3R outdoor AC Combiner Panel (ACCP) with
>each of the (3) M215 AC strings landing on a separate 2-pole 20A
>circuit breaker.
>The Enlighten Envoy is mounted in a NEMA-4 plastic enclosure below the
>ACCP, and is powered by a 1-pole 15A breaker in the ACCP.
>My intent is to land the new 16-IQ6 string on a new 20A breaker in the
>ACCP, and to power its Envoy (if needed) also from the ACCP.
>In studying Enphase documents:
>
>  (A) IQ6 micros have to be monitored by an IQ-Envoy.
>  (B) Envoy uses a 1-pole "L1, "N", and "EGC" a dedicated NEMA-5R
>  receptacle branch circuit for power supply and its AC comms modem.
>  (C) IQ-Envoy uses "L1, "L2, and "N", for power supply and its AC
>  comms modem, and is wired directly to its dedicated 2-pole breaker.
>
>My questions:
>
>  1. Can I replace the existing Envoy with a new IQ-Envoy, and monitor
>  the all 64 micros (48 existing M215s; 16 new IQ6s) with the new
>  IQ-Envoy?
>  2. If the answer to "1" is yes, that's what I would like to do.
>  3. If the answer to "1" is no, can I still land the new IQ6 string
>  on the existing ACCP, or do I need to place another ACCP just for
>  the new IQ6 string and any future growth?
>  4. If the answer to "1" is no, can the existing Envoy and the new
>  IQ-Envoy both be powered from the same ACCP?
>  5. If both the existing Envoy and the new IQ-Envoy can co-exist at
>  the same customer site, will the Enlighten software monitoring
>  portal aggregate all 64 Enphase micros into a single unified
>  production view, or will two separate production views be required?
>
>Thanks for your help!
>Gary Willett PE
>Icarus Engineering / Solar Services LLC
>Irving TX
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Re: [RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

2017-11-28 Thread Jason Szumlanski 
Although Enphase recommends against it I believe (mixing generations at
this time), in theory you need one ACCP, two Envoys (one of each type), and
you can aggregate into a single portal system (just add the second Envoy to
the activation). I think the mixing of systems is not recommended due to
potential communication interference.

>From what I understand they are launching an IQ Envoy that will handle both
systems in the future, but they are not there yet.

I'm actually sourcing some M250's at this moment to add to a M215 system
for a client. I wanted to avoid the whole IQ issue and let someone else be
the guinea pig, so let us know what results you have! :)

We are about to have hundreds of homes with a mix of some with M series and
some with IQ series in very close proximity. This should be interesting!
But I don't expect any major issues home to home. The first IQ systems are
not showing any issues yet.


Jason Szumlanski




On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Gary Willett 
wrote:

>ESTEEMED WRENCHES:
>I'm in the process of engineering a project to add 16 new Enphase IQ6
>micros to an existing 48 Enphase M215-IG system that has been
>in-service about 2 years.
>The original system has a NEMA-3R outdoor AC Combiner Panel (ACCP) with
>each of the (3) M215 AC strings landing on a separate 2-pole 20A
>circuit breaker.
>The Enlighten Envoy is mounted in a NEMA-4 plastic enclosure below the
>ACCP, and is powered by a 1-pole 15A breaker in the ACCP.
>My intent is to land the new 16-IQ6 string on a new 20A breaker in the
>ACCP, and to power its Envoy (if needed) also from the ACCP.
>In studying Enphase documents:
>
>  (A) IQ6 micros have to be monitored by an IQ-Envoy.
>  (B) Envoy uses a 1-pole "L1, "N", and "EGC" a dedicated NEMA-5R
>  receptacle branch circuit for power supply and its AC comms modem.
>  (C) IQ-Envoy uses "L1, "L2, and "N", for power supply and its AC
>  comms modem, and is wired directly to its dedicated 2-pole breaker.
>
>My questions:
>
>  1. Can I replace the existing Envoy with a new IQ-Envoy, and monitor
>  the all 64 micros (48 existing M215s; 16 new IQ6s) with the new
>  IQ-Envoy?
>  2. If the answer to "1" is yes, that's what I would like to do.
>  3. If the answer to "1" is no, can I still land the new IQ6 string
>  on the existing ACCP, or do I need to place another ACCP just for
>  the new IQ6 string and any future growth?
>  4. If the answer to "1" is no, can the existing Envoy and the new
>  IQ-Envoy both be powered from the same ACCP?
>  5. If both the existing Envoy and the new IQ-Envoy can co-exist at
>  the same customer site, will the Enlighten software monitoring
>  portal aggregate all 64 Enphase micros into a single unified
>  production view, or will two separate production views be required?
>
>Thanks for your help!
>Gary Willett PE
>Icarus Engineering / Solar Services LLC
>Irving TX
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[RE-wrenches] MIXING ENPHASE M-2XX / IQ6 MICROS & ENVOY / IQ-ENVOY ON SAME AC COMBINER LOAD CENTER

2017-11-27 Thread Gary Willett 
   ESTEEMED WRENCHES:
   I'm in the process of engineering a project to add 16 new Enphase IQ6
   micros to an existing 48 Enphase M215-IG system that has been
   in-service about 2 years.
   The original system has a NEMA-3R outdoor AC Combiner Panel (ACCP) with
   each of the (3) M215 AC strings landing on a separate 2-pole 20A
   circuit breaker.
   The Enlighten Envoy is mounted in a NEMA-4 plastic enclosure below the
   ACCP, and is powered by a 1-pole 15A breaker in the ACCP.
   My intent is to land the new 16-IQ6 string on a new 20A breaker in the
   ACCP, and to power its Envoy (if needed) also from the ACCP.
   In studying Enphase documents:

 (A) IQ6 micros have to be monitored by an IQ-Envoy.
 (B) Envoy uses a 1-pole "L1, "N", and "EGC" a dedicated NEMA-5R
 receptacle branch circuit for power supply and its AC comms modem.
 (C) IQ-Envoy uses "L1, "L2, and "N", for power supply and its AC
 comms modem, and is wired directly to its dedicated 2-pole breaker.

   My questions:

 1. Can I replace the existing Envoy with a new IQ-Envoy, and monitor
 the all 64 micros (48 existing M215s; 16 new IQ6s) with the new
 IQ-Envoy?
 2. If the answer to "1" is yes, that's what I would like to do.
 3. If the answer to "1" is no, can I still land the new IQ6 string
 on the existing ACCP, or do I need to place another ACCP just for
 the new IQ6 string and any future growth?
 4. If the answer to "1" is no, can the existing Envoy and the new
 IQ-Envoy both be powered from the same ACCP?
 5. If both the existing Envoy and the new IQ-Envoy can co-exist at
 the same customer site, will the Enlighten software monitoring
 portal aggregate all 64 Enphase micros into a single unified
 production view, or will two separate production views be required?

   Thanks for your help!
   Gary Willett PE
   Icarus Engineering / Solar Services LLC
   Irving TX
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