Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-28 Thread Dave Palumbo
I purchased through Norwall PowerSystems  www.Norwall.com I did not price it
at Lowes so I don't know if I paid more or less but it was the lowest price
I could find. Easy to deal with so far. Received EcoGen yesterday.

 

Dave Palumbo

Independent Power LLC

 

 

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Please let us all know, as this is important for all.




R.Ray Walters
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Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 9/27/2013 4:23 PM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote:

Hi Wrenches, 

 

I've been looking for a distributor for the Generac Ecogen. The ones I
contacted are about $300 higher than paying retail at Lowes. Is there a
supplier that sells wholesale or discounts to dealers?


Off list answer is fine. 

Thank you,

Larry Crutcher

la...@starlightsolar.com




 

On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote:

 

What supplier are folks using for the Ecogen?




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-27 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hi Wrenches,

I've been looking for a distributor for the Generac Ecogen. The ones I 
contacted are about $300 higher than paying retail at Lowes. Is there a 
supplier that sells wholesale or discounts to dealers?

Off list answer is fine. 
Thank you,

Larry Crutcher
la...@starlightsolar.com




On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com wrote:

What supplier are folks using for the Ecogen?

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-27 Thread Ray Walters

Please let us all know, as this is important for all.

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 9/27/2013 4:23 PM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote:

Hi Wrenches,

I've been looking for a distributor for the Generac Ecogen. The ones I 
contacted are about $300 higher than paying retail at Lowes. Is there 
a supplier that sells wholesale or discounts to dealers?


Off list answer is fine.
Thank you,

Larry Crutcher
la...@starlightsolar.com mailto:la...@starlightsolar.com




On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Ray Walters r...@solarray.com 
mailto:r...@solarray.com wrote:


What supplier are folks using for the Ecogen?

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760



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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-16 Thread Tump
I personally like AND use the ONAN (CMM) commercial mobil units. Can be 
configured 120 VAC @50 A. Fiberglass enclosure, QUITE 2800 RPM. Unlike the eco 
gen you DO have to mount on a stand as the intake  exhaust is from the bottom. 
Using an OB inverter I use the Atikson  start module. I use a relay although it 
DOES state in their manual that it will start using the 12VDC from the OB, but 
it would not work as described in their manual w/o a relay.
The other thing I like is the option to install it CMM inside a shed and using 
temp controlled louvers I can heat my building during the coldest part of the 
winter if I need to.
On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Dave Palumbo wrote:

 Wrenchsters,
  
 Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off grid 
 rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be nice. In the past some 
 have recommended a Coleman off grid model as I remember. I’m also wondering 
 how the smaller Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid use 
 over the past few years.
  
 This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery charge rate we 
 need to run the generator about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is 
 dense for weeks at a time.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Dave Palumbo
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-15 Thread John Blittersdorf
Dave,
I have sold 8 Eco-Gens so far and first impressions are great.  I wasn't 
aware of the govt funded research but it makes sense.  I have one installed on 
top of Herrick Mtn doing an average of 4 hours a day backing up a transmitter 
site.  This winter will be the test.  So far we have almost 500 hours on it 
(first oil change coming up) and no problems.  This is a remote site with only  
snowmobile access in winter.  The gen is doing great on fuel economy. About .7 
gph at 2300 watt load.

John Blittersdorf 



I
S


Tn



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On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Gary Willett g...@icarussolarservices.com wrote:

 Ditto Chris's comment. The EcoGen was designed by Generac with research 
 funded by the Propane Council from the ground-up as an off-grid propane-only 
 generator used to charge batteries.
 
 Regards,  Gary
 
 On 9/14/13 1:44 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
 Generac Ecogen is your best choice. It was specifically designed for the 
 long runs associated with charing batteries for off-grid work.
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dave Palumbo 
 d...@independentpowerllc.com wrote:
 Wrenchsters,
 
  
 
 Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off grid 
 rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be nice. In the past some 
 have recommended a Coleman off grid model as I remember. I’m also wondering 
 how the smaller Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid use 
 over the past few years.
 
  
 
 This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery charge rate we 
 need to run the generator about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is 
 dense for weeks at a time.
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
  
 
 Dave Palumbo
 
 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-15 Thread Allan Sindelar

  
  
John,
  If I understand correctly what was explained to me by Generac, the
  research wasn't government-funded. The Propane Education and
  Research Council is an industry trade group. I was curious,
  though, so checked into it on its website:
  "PERC was authorized by the U.S. Congress with passage
of the Propane Education and Research Act (PERA), Public Law
104-284, signed into law on October 11, 1996. In a referendum
soon afterward, propane producers and marketers overwhelmingly
approved its formation." 

and: "PERCs operations and activities are funded by an
assessment levied on each gallon of propane gas at the point it
is odorized or imported into the United States. The assessment,
authorized under PERA, isnowfour-tenths of a centper gallon."
  I also found a fact sheet on the development of this generator
at http://www.propanecouncil.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=3827.

  
  






  
  
  








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  On 9/15/2013 5:10 AM, John Blittersdorf wrote:


  Dave,
I have sold 8 Eco-Gens so far and first impressions are
great. I wasn't aware of the govt funded research but it makes
sense. I have one installed on top of Herrick Mtn doing an
average of 4 hours a day backing up a transmitter site. This
winter will be the test. So far we have almost 500 hours on it
(first oil change coming up) and no problems. This is a remote
site with only snowmobile access in winter. The gen is doing
great on fuel economy. About .7 gph at 2300 watt load.
  
  
  John Blittersdorf

  

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-15 Thread Dave Palumbo
Ecogen it is. Thanks everybody.

 

Dave Plaumbo

 

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[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of John 
Blittersdorf
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:11 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

 

Dave,

I have sold 8 Eco-Gens so far and first impressions are great.  I wasn't 
aware of the govt funded research but it makes sense.  I have one installed on 
top of Herrick Mtn doing an average of 4 hours a day backing up a transmitter 
site.  This winter will be the test.  So far we have almost 500 hours on it 
(first oil change coming up) and no problems.  This is a remote site with only  
snowmobile access in winter.  The gen is doing great on fuel economy. About .7 
gph at 2300 watt load.

 

John Blittersdorf 

 

 

 

I

S

 

 

Tn

 



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On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Gary Willett g...@icarussolarservices.com wrote:

Ditto Chris's comment. The EcoGen was designed by Generac with research funded 
by the Propane Council from the ground-up as an off-grid propane-only generator 
used to charge batteries.

Regards,  Gary

On 9/14/13 1:44 PM, Chris Mason wrote:

Generac Ecogen is your best choice. It was specifically designed for the long 
runs associated with charing batteries for off-grid work.

 

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dave Palumbo d...@independentpowerllc.com 
wrote:

Wrenchsters,

 

Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off grid rental 
house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be nice. In the past some have 
recommended a Coleman off grid model as I remember. I’m also wondering how the 
smaller Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid use over the 
past few years.

 

This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery charge rate we need 
to run the generator about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is dense for 
weeks at a time.

 

Thanks,

 

Dave Palumbo


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-15 Thread jay peltz
Hi all

FYI. 

But if you live in ca, they don't sell them here according to the website. 

Jay

Peltz power






On Sep 15, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Dave Palumbo d...@independentpowerllc.com 
wrote:

 Ecogen it is. Thanks everybody.
  
 Dave Plaumbo
  
 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
 [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of John 
 Blittersdorf
 Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:11 AM
 To: RE-wrenches
 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice
  
 Dave,
 I have sold 8 Eco-Gens so far and first impressions are great.  I wasn't 
 aware of the govt funded research but it makes sense.  I have one installed 
 on top of Herrick Mtn doing an average of 4 hours a day backing up a 
 transmitter site.  This winter will be the test.  So far we have almost 500 
 hours on it (first oil change coming up) and no problems.  This is a remote 
 site with only  snowmobile access in winter.  The gen is doing great on fuel 
 economy. About .7 gph at 2300 watt load.
  
 John Blittersdorf 
  
  
  
 I
 S
  
  
 Tn
  
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Gary Willett g...@icarussolarservices.com 
 wrote:
 
 Ditto Chris's comment. The EcoGen was designed by Generac with research 
 funded by the Propane Council from the ground-up as an off-grid propane-only 
 generator used to charge batteries.
 
 Regards,  Gary
 
 On 9/14/13 1:44 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
 Generac Ecogen is your best choice. It was specifically designed for the long 
 runs associated with charing batteries for off-grid work.
  
 
 On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dave Palumbo d...@independentpowerllc.com 
 wrote:
 Wrenchsters,
  
 Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off grid 
 rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be nice. In the past some 
 have recommended a Coleman off grid model as I remember. I’m also wondering 
 how the smaller Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid use 
 over the past few years.
  
 This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery charge rate we 
 need to run the generator about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is 
 dense for weeks at a time.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Dave Palumbo
 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-15 Thread Ray Walters

What supplier are folks using for the Ecogen?

R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760

On 9/15/2013 9:19 AM, Dave Palumbo wrote:


Ecogen it is. Thanks everybody.

Dave Plaumbo

*From:*re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org 
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *John 
Blittersdorf

*Sent:* Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:11 AM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

Dave,

I have sold 8 Eco-Gens so far and first impressions are great.  I 
wasn't aware of the govt funded research but it makes sense.  I have 
one installed on top of Herrick Mtn doing an average of 4 hours a day 
backing up a transmitter site.  This winter will be the test.  So far 
we have almost 500 hours on it (first oil change coming up) and no 
problems.  This is a remote site with only  snowmobile access in 
winter.  The gen is doing great on fuel economy. About .7 gph at 2300 
watt load.


John Blittersdorf

I

S

Tn



Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Gary Willett 
g...@icarussolarservices.com mailto:g...@icarussolarservices.com 
wrote:


Ditto Chris's comment. The EcoGen was designed by Generac with
research funded by the Propane Council from the ground-up as an
off-grid propane-only generator used to charge batteries.

Regards,  Gary

On 9/14/13 1:44 PM, Chris Mason wrote:

Generac Ecogen is your best choice. It was specifically
designed for the long runs associated with charing batteries
for off-grid work.

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dave Palumbo
d...@independentpowerllc.com
mailto:d...@independentpowerllc.com wrote:

Wrenchsters,

Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my
off grid rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be
nice. In the past some have recommended a Coleman off grid
model as I remember. I'm also wondering how the smaller
Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid use
over the past few years.

This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery
charge rate we need to run the generator about 250 hours per
year as the cloud cover is dense for weeks at a time.

Thanks,

Dave Palumbo


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-14 Thread Dave Palumbo
Wrenchsters,

 

Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off grid
rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be nice. In the past some
have recommended a Coleman off grid model as I remember. I'm also wondering
how the smaller Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid use
over the past few years.

 

This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery charge rate we
need to run the generator about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is
dense for weeks at a time.

 

Thanks,

 

Dave Palumbo

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-14 Thread Chris Mason
Generac Ecogen is your best choice. It was specifically designed for the
long runs associated with charing batteries for off-grid work.


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dave Palumbo d...@independentpowerllc.com
 wrote:

 Wrenchsters,

 ** **

 Looking for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off grid
 rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be nice. In the past
 some have recommended a Coleman off grid model as I remember. I’m also
 wondering how the smaller Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for
 off grid use over the past few years.

 ** **

 This for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery charge rate we
 need to run the generator about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is
 dense for weeks at a time.

 ** **

 Thanks,

 ** **

 Dave Palumbo

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-14 Thread Allan Sindelar

  
  
Dave,
  Coleman discontinued their appropriate models years ago, and
  Kohler's smaller units will work but are designed more for grid
  backup. My best recommendation is Generac's 6kW EcoGen unit.
  Allan
  
  








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  On 9/14/2013 9:58 AM, Dave Palumbo wrote:


  
  
  
  

  Wrenchsters,
  
  Looking
  for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset for my off
  grid rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power at 120Vac would be
  nice. In the past some have recommended a Coleman off grid
  model as I remember. Im also wondering how the smaller
  Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for off grid
  use over the past few years.
  
  This
  for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to battery
  charge rate we need to run the generator about 250 hours
  per year as the cloud cover is dense for weeks at a time.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Dave
  Palumbo

  
  
  
  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid LP Gen advice

2013-09-14 Thread Gary Willett

  
  
Ditto Chris's comment. The EcoGen was
  designed by Generac with research funded by the Propane Council
  from the ground-up as an off-grid propane-only generator used to
  charge batteries.
  
  Regards, Gary
  
  On 9/14/13 1:44 PM, Chris Mason wrote:


  Generac Ecogen is your best choice. It was
specifically designed for the long runs associated with charing
batteries for off-grid work.
  

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Dave
  Palumbo d...@independentpowerllc.com
  wrote:
  

  

  Wrenchsters,
  
  Looking
  for a good quality, long lasting, LP gas genset
  for my off grid rental house. 6 to 8kW. Full power
  at 120Vac would be nice. In the past some have
  recommended a Coleman off grid model as I
  remember. Im also wondering how the smaller
  Kohlers, and the like, have been holding up for
  off grid use over the past few years.
  
  This
  for northern Vermont where even with C/8 PV to
  battery charge rate we need to run the generator
  about 250 hours per year as the cloud cover is
  dense for weeks at a time.
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  Dave
  Palumbo

  


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