Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

The other weird Energy Star issue I have seen for 2 years now is the
Canada numbers being quite a bit lower than US.  I assume it is in their
average temperature or something. I do know a specific model and have
measured it. The data I get is much closer to the lower Canadian Energy
Star numbers. Weird huh?



> HI Dana,
>
> Can you tell us about this 10 year working life.  Is there a website
> having such info or??
>
> thanks
> jay
>
> peltz power
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Dana  wrote:
>>
>> I use & recommend an Energy Star Refers & do the math: A 512 Kwhr per
>> year REF / 365 = 1402 Kwhr/ day x 1.25 = 1753 Kwhrs/ day
>>
>> However, todays refrigerators are only rated at a 10-year working life.
>> Our last one crashed at 8 years. $2000/8 = $250/ year for cool food.
>> Pretty bad track record for cold whatever.
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Dana]

This info  is paralleled by 3 different appliance repair Locations in CO and
2 in ID (just moved last Aug) and 3 different appliance folks at 3 different
Home Cheapos & 2 Lowes.

 



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From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

 

HI Dana,

 

Can you tell us about this 10 year working life.  Is there a website having
such info or??

 

thanks

jay

 

peltz power

On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com
<mailto:d...@solarwork.com> > wrote:

 

I use & recommend an Energy Star Refers & do the math: A 512 Kwhr per year
REF / 365 = 1402 Kwhr/ day x 1.25 = 1753 Kwhrs/ day

 

However, todays refrigerators are only rated at a 10-year working life. Our
last one crashed at 8 years. $2000/8 = $250/ year for cool food. Pretty bad
track record for cold whatever.

 

 



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[RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[jay]

HI Dana,

Can you tell us about this 10 year working life.  Is there a website having 
such info or??

thanks
jay

peltz power
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Dana  wrote:
> 
> I use & recommend an Energy Star Refers & do the math: A 512 Kwhr per year 
> REF / 365 = 1402 Kwhr/ day x 1.25 = 1753 Kwhrs/ day
>  
> However, todays refrigerators are only rated at a 10-year working life. Our 
> last one crashed at 8 years. $2000/8 = $250/ year for cool food. Pretty bad 
> track record for cold whatever.
>  
>  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Dana]

I use & recommend an Energy Star Refers & do the math: A 512 Kwhr per year
REF / 365 = 1402 Kwhr/ day x 1.25 = 1753 Kwhrs/ day

 

However, todays refrigerators are only rated at a 10-year working life. Our
last one crashed at 8 years. $2000/8 = $250/ year for cool food. Pretty bad
track record for cold whatever.

 

 



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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

 

Hello Wrenches,

What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are
looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break the
bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Drake 


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Dan Fink]

Watch out for glow bars on propane ranges! Your local Lowes or Home Depot
will not know what you are talking about, and I've had them mess up and
deliver the wrong model a couple times. There are only a few brands that
make them.

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> Wrenches
> On our off grid install we sugest going with all off the shelf products
> from kitchen to laundry as it is cheaper to install a few more modules than
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>> Hello Wrenches,
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>> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are
>> looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break
>> the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
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>>
>> Drake Chamberlin
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

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Check these units out way cool at 1.6A….using R600 / alcohol. 
www.blombergappliances.us  yes punn intended!
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Drake  
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> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are 
> looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break the 
> bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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> Thank you,
> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Chris Mason]

I've done a lot of 12V refrigeration work for boats, these systems are
small, efficient, cheap and basically unbreakable. they come in 24V so if
you can use the sizes, you can put something together very easily. the
Danfoss hermetically sealed compressors are bullet proof and very very
efficient. Let me know if you need more info.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Drake <
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> Hello Wrenches,
>
> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are
> looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break
> the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Drake
>
>
> Drake Chamberlin
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

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I agree with Jerry. Off the shelf makes life simple. Also make sure to convince 
them to go with gas oven and dryer.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:46:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

Wrenches
On our off grid install we sugest going with all off the shelf products from 
kitchen to laundry as it is cheaper to install a few more modules than some 
expensive so calked off grid appliances
Jerry

On Jun 27, 2017 4:26 AM, "Drake" 
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 wrote:
Hello Wrenches,

What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are looking 
for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break the bank. Any 
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Drake


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CO License 3773
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

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Wrenches
On our off grid install we sugest going with all off the shelf products
from kitchen to laundry as it is cheaper to install a few more modules than
some expensive so calked off grid appliances
Jerry

On Jun 27, 2017 4:26 AM, "Drake" 
wrote:

> Hello Wrenches,
>
> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are
> looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break
> the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Drake
>
>
> Drake Chamberlin
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Dan Fink]

Having lived off grid since 1991, I have many opinions on what
refrigeration strategies have worked and not worked for me and my customers
over the years. It's in Home Power, here:
https://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/equipment-products/choosing-your-grid-refrigerator

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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Steve McCarney 
wrote:

> Hi Drake
>
> Probably the biggest development in off grid solar refrigeration is the
> growing use of battery free solar direct drive (SDD) fridges and freezers.
> These are now in widespread use by the global immunization community for
> vaccine refrigeration and some ice pack freezing.  It is believed there are
> over 10,000 already deployed with many more planned in the next few years.
>
> There are 7 manufacturers around the globe that have earned WHO
> "pre-qualification" after passing stringent testing focused on conserving
> vaccine.  Some also offer SDD for other uses.  To see who they are go the
> WHO website and see their catalog with approved fridges and freezers at
> http://apps.who.int/immunization_standards/vaccine_quality/pqs_catalogue/
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steve McCarney, Director of Cold Chain Solutions, Solar Electric Light Fund
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Drake  redwoodalliance.org> wrote:
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>> Hello Wrenches,
>>
>> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are
>> looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break
>> the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Drake
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Steve McCarney]

Hi Drake

Probably the biggest development in off grid solar refrigeration is the
growing use of battery free solar direct drive (SDD) fridges and freezers.
These are now in widespread use by the global immunization community for
vaccine refrigeration and some ice pack freezing.  It is believed there are
over 10,000 already deployed with many more planned in the next few years.

There are 7 manufacturers around the globe that have earned WHO
"pre-qualification" after passing stringent testing focused on conserving
vaccine.  Some also offer SDD for other uses.  To see who they are go the
WHO website and see their catalog with approved fridges and freezers at
http://apps.who.int/immunization_standards/vaccine_quality/pqs_catalogue/

Best wishes

Steve McCarney, Director of Cold Chain Solutions, Solar Electric Light Fund

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Drake  wrote:

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> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are
> looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break
> the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Drake
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Starlight Solar Power Systems]

Hey Drake,

Because of the very low cost of producing power by PV solar, I always recommend 
a standard, high efficiency refrigerator. It doesn’t makes sense to by 
speciality refrigerators that cost 2-4 times times the price of ‘off the shelf” 
brands. Many brands have models that use about 1 kWh per day. That means you 
can make the power it takes to operate it for under $500.  

Look here at kWh/Year: 
https://www.energystar.gov/most-efficient/me-certified-refrigerators 

Larry



On Jun 27, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Drake  wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We are looking 
for a medium sized, commercially available unit that won't break the bank. Any 
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Drake 


 <>Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV 
740-448-7328
http://athens-electric.com/  




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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

I design for a 2KWH  daily electric refrigerator. Usually around 22 cubic
feet for a home. --Dave


> Hello Wrenches,
>
> What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We
> are looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that
> won't break the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Drake
>
>
> Drake Chamberlin
> Athens Electric LLC
> OH License 44810
> CO License 3773
> NABCEP Certified Solar PV
> 740-448-7328
> http://athens-electric.com/
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[RE-wrenches] Off Grid Refrigeration

[Drake]

Hello Wrenches,

What is your preferred refrigerator for off  grid installations? We 
are looking for a medium sized, commercially available unit that 
won't break the bank. Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Thank you,

Drake


Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328
http://athens-electric.com/




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