Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro
Hello Kent, Thank you for your feedback. While the SCP is available for basic configuration, the Gateway is the best option to maximize the XW Pro's full features and configuration options. The XW Pro Owner's Manual has been updated with monitoring and configuration information based on the Gateway. https://solar.schneider-electric.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ML202003_Conext-XW-Pro-NA-Owners-Guide-990-91227A-01.pdf With the Gateway, you and your customer can have full access to monitor and control with great flexibility: * Local connection with no internet required * Via InsightCloud for remote monitoring and support The XW Pro powers Gateway through Xanbus, ensuring it is accessible for configuration even if the AC power has been disconnected. Best Regards, Sandra Herrera -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Kent Osterberg Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 11:00 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro [External email: Use caution with links and attachments] I just finished a call with Schneider Electric tech support about setting up a multi-inverter XW Pro system. My complaint was (and is) that despite what the manual says, you can't set up a XW Pro slave unit in a multi-inverter system using the system control panel (SCP); that can only be done using the gateway or the configuration tool. And once a XW Pro is set up to be a slave, the only path back to being a master is with the gateway or the configuration tool, or to reset the unit to factory defaults with the SCP. Technician explained that the 20-year old design of the SCP doesn't have enough memory to allow the 120/240 split phase options. However, it does seem to have enough memory for 120 or 240 single phase and 120/208 three phase, ... The reason this is a thorn in my side is that Schneider wants to market this inverter for off grid use and seems to totally ignore what happens when you have an off grid power system failure. If you have a master inverter failure and need to reconfigure the system, it needs to be something that can be corrected easily - in the middle of the night. No ac power, no computer, no phones, no internet. The only option seems to be to reset a slave unit with the SCP and then reprogram it. No longer as enthusiastic about using Schneider for off grid power. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.org&data=04%7C01%7Csandra.herrera%40se.com%7C24e9b2630af942449b5a08d8b2754302%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637455563995540755%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BkT5WrzXPnWKn%2BHwS%2FUK36oeWQPKFA5gy6RaPb3m5d0%3D&reserved=0 There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fre-wrenches%40lists.re-wrenches.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Csandra.herrera%40se.com%7C24e9b2630af942449b5a08d8b2754302%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637455563995540755%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3FgcDoIrA6pbeHg696FrWZ6U%2BfYVF%2B0ZzVY8lM69ges%3D&reserved=0 https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.re-wrenches.org%2Fpipermail%2Fre-wrenches-re-wrenches.org&data=04%7C01%7Csandra.herrera%40se.com%7C24e9b2630af942449b5a08d8b2754302%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637455563995540755%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=q6e1AvzaqB9S3sfY62%2FSat5nl0ZOcMu4ZDlrtgZViII%3D&reserved=0 List rules & etiquette: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.re-wrenches.org%2Fetiquette.htm&data=04%7C01%7Csandra.herrera%40se.com%7C24e9b2630af942449b5a08d8b2754302%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637455563995540755%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ZsC9qXnZhr9KVI9lalh65xuj4sU6AVZIqY%2Biu7QhUNo%3D&reserved=0 Check out or update participant bios: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.members.re-wrenches.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Csandra.herrera%40se.com%7C24e9b2630af942449b5a08d8b2754302%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637455563995540755%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fIzFE%2FIjQ4LzvbUWjeE23Wegl5Qin9gYGd6jcp6idd4%3D&reserved=0 ___
Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro
Ok I do get it. thanks Tump ! I have not tried this yet but Kent said at the end of his post " The only option seems to be to reset a slave unit with the SCP and then reprogram it." So one can do the above by removing the xanbus from the dead master and use the SCP to reset to factory or restore defaults on the old slave. There would not be any programming to get power on. Configuration of all the setpoints, AC settings, Inverter settings and Charger settings can be done after you/they sleep in. The defaults are pretty forgiving for a master to buy some time. I do have some clients who could not remove the 4 screws and remove the 2 xanbus connectors and use and use network connector double female to bypass the old master with my guidance. They concern me, but they know it is their choice not to have back-up. XW is super reliable though and there is always AC bypass to the genset. It is really funny to me that there are people still out there offgrid that tell me my back-up is candles and kerosene Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [2] text 209 813 0060 On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 12:14:55 -0500, Tump wrote: My point was there are other Manu options we have available to us. I too travel w/ an oval mate, a mate3, the SCP the Gateway, my computer, BUT there are situations that its quite nice to NOT need these things to address changes. On Jan 7, 2021, at 11:26 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote: Not sure what you mean below Tump. The gateway DOES NOT need any cell or internet to configure/use with XW Pro. Most people who use Gateway think it is a much better system than Combox. Even easier would be the Configuration tool which works with a laptop only into XANBUS. It lacks the graphics. The SCP does work fine with XWP for most all normal settings. Schneider knows about the SCP and also know how ridiculously small it is to read. A replacement with a larger screen is on my feedback to them. A wish that never comes true. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [4] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [5] text 209 813 0060 On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 19:09:04 -0500, Tump wrote: Am I the only off grid installer that doesn't always have cell/internet service. Most of my larger off grid installs, I design them w/2 separate inverters, 2 charge controllers, 2 volt cell batteries, redundancy can save ones butt in the middle of nowhere. Take a look at the Victron product line, Multi Plus or the Quattro inverters & CCs, most of their products can be set using dip switches, computer, or in some cases settings w/ones "smart" phone. As with most things there IS a learning curve but but the do have a lot of videos, white papers border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; width: 100%;"> On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote: Kent, We field tested XWP here for Schneider offgrid a couple years back. We have never had any issues with it for offgrid. Since its inception, the Gateway has been required (stated on website) for major commissioning changes. I have a spare here for my clients. You are welcome to borrow it, but I do not think that is what you want. Just have to live with it. You do not need a gateway at all once the system is configured and it can be done remotely with Insight Cloud. Part number XW Pro 120/240V - 865-6848-21 Note: Please note that Conext(tm) Gateway is required to commission the XW Pro. Note: XW Pro is not compatible with Conext ComBox. The Conext Gateway is used for the monitoring, commission, and configuration of the XW Pro. Gateway and Combox Compatibility Matrix (PDF) is also available for download. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [8] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [9] text 209 813 0060 On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:59:49 -0800, Kent Osterberg wrote: I just finished a call with Schneider Electric tech support about setting up a multi-inverter XW Pro system. My complaint was (and is) that despite what the manual says, you can't set up a XW Pro slave unit in a multi-inverter system using the system control panel (SCP); that can only be done using the gateway or the configuration tool. And once a XW Pro is set up to be a slave, the only path back to being a master is with the gateway or the configuration tool, or to reset the unit to factory defaults with the SCP. Technician explained that the 20-year old design of the SCP doesn't have enough memory to allow the 120/240 split phase options. However, it does seem to have enough memory for 120 or 240 single phase and 120/208 three phase, ... The reason this is a thorn in my side is that Schneider wants to market this inverter for off grid use and seems to totally ignore what happens when you have an off grid power system failure. If you have a master inverter failure and need to reconfig
Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro
Not for 120/240 split phase. Kent On 1/6/2021 11:11 AM, Maverick Brown wrote: Whaaat? Can’t you use Multi Unit Config using the SCP Advanced menu to set additional inverters as Slave? Thank you, Maverick On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: I just finished a call with Schneider Electric tech support about setting up a multi-inverter XW Pro system. My complaint was (and is) that despite what the manual says, you can't set up a XW Pro slave unit in a multi-inverter system using the system control panel (SCP); that can only be done using the gateway or the configuration tool. And once a XW Pro is set up to be a slave, the only path back to being a master is with the gateway or the configuration tool, or to reset the unit to factory defaults with the SCP. Technician explained that the 20-year old design of the SCP doesn't have enough memory to allow the 120/240 split phase options. However, it does seem to have enough memory for 120 or 240 single phase and 120/208 three phase, ... The reason this is a thorn in my side is that Schneider wants to market this inverter for off grid use and seems to totally ignore what happens when you have an off grid power system failure. If you have a master inverter failure and need to reconfigure the system, it needs to be something that can be corrected easily - in the middle of the night. No ac power, no computer, no phones, no internet. The only option seems to be to reset a slave unit with the SCP and then reprogram it. No longer as enthusiastic about using Schneider for off grid power. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro
Am I the only off grid installer that doesn’t always have cell/internet service. Most of my larger off grid installs, I design them w/2 separate inverters, 2 charge controllers, 2 volt cell batteries, redundancy can save ones butt in the middle of nowhere. Take a look at the Victron product line, Multi Plus or the Quattro inverters & CCs, most of their products can be set using dip switches, computer, or in some cases settings w/ones “smart" phone. As with most things there IS a learning curve but but the do have a lot of videos, white papers & their config tools has demo mode where you can learn the program. > On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > wrote: > > Kent, > > We field tested XWP here for Schneider offgrid a couple years back. We > have never had any issues with it for offgrid. Since its inception, the > Gateway has been required (stated on website) for major commissioning > changes. I have a spare here for my clients. You are welcome to borrow it, > but I do not think that is what you want. > > Just have to live with it. You do not need a gateway at all once the > system is configured and it can be done remotely with Insight Cloud. > > Part number > XW Pro 120/240V – 865-6848-21 > Note: Please note that Conext™ Gateway is required to commission the XW > Pro. > > Note: XW Pro is not compatible with Conext ComBox. The Conext Gateway is > used for the monitoring, commission, and configuration of the XW Pro. > Gateway and Combox Compatibility Matrix (PDF) is also available for > download. > > > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net > text 209 813 0060 > > On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:59:49 -0800, Kent Osterberg > wrote: >> I just finished a call with Schneider Electric tech support about >> setting up a multi-inverter XW Pro system. My complaint was (and is) >> that despite what the manual says, you can't set up a XW Pro slave unit >> in a multi-inverter system using the system control panel (SCP); that >> can only be done using the gateway or the configuration tool. And once a > >> XW Pro is set up to be a slave, the only path back to being a master is >> with the gateway or the configuration tool, or to reset the unit to >> factory defaults with the SCP. Technician explained that the 20-year old > >> design of the SCP doesn't have enough memory to allow the 120/240 split >> phase options. However, it does seem to have enough memory for 120 or >> 240 single phase and 120/208 three phase, ... >> >> The reason this is a thorn in my side is that Schneider wants to market >> this inverter for off grid use and seems to totally ignore what happens >> when you have an off grid power system failure. If you have a master >> inverter failure and need to reconfigure the system, it needs to be >> something that can be corrected easily - in the middle of the night. No >> ac power, no computer, no phones, no internet. The only option seems to >> be to reset a slave unit with the SCP and then reprogram it. >> >> No longer as enthusiastic about using Schneider for off grid power. >> >> Kent Osterberg >> Blue Mountain Solar >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try > the >> other: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > t...@swnl.net > mailto:t...@swnl.net%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::mailto:t...@swnl.net> > www.SWNL.net > http://www.swnl.net/%22%20%5Co%20%22blocked::http://www.swnl.net/> > Solarwinds Northernlights >Serving Mid Coast Maine & Northern California > 207-832-7574 Cl. 610-517-8401 > > Blair "TUMP" May > MAINE'S CHARTER >
Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro
Whaaat? Can’t you use Multi Unit Config using the SCP Advanced menu to set additional inverters as Slave? Thank you, Maverick > On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: > > I just finished a call with Schneider Electric tech support about setting up > a multi-inverter XW Pro system. My complaint was (and is) that despite what > the manual says, you can't set up a XW Pro slave unit in a multi-inverter > system using the system control panel (SCP); that can only be done using the > gateway or the configuration tool. And once a XW Pro is set up to be a slave, > the only path back to being a master is with the gateway or the configuration > tool, or to reset the unit to factory defaults with the SCP. Technician > explained that the 20-year old design of the SCP doesn't have enough memory > to allow the 120/240 split phase options. However, it does seem to have > enough memory for 120 or 240 single phase and 120/208 three phase, ... > > The reason this is a thorn in my side is that Schneider wants to market this > inverter for off grid use and seems to totally ignore what happens when you > have an off grid power system failure. If you have a master inverter failure > and need to reconfigure the system, it needs to be something that can be > corrected easily - in the middle of the night. No ac power, no computer, no > phones, no internet. The only option seems to be to reset a slave unit with > the SCP and then reprogram it. > > No longer as enthusiastic about using Schneider for off grid power. > > Kent Osterberg > Blue Mountain Solar > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Schneider Electric XW Pro
I just finished a call with Schneider Electric tech support about setting up a multi-inverter XW Pro system. My complaint was (and is) that despite what the manual says, you can't set up a XW Pro slave unit in a multi-inverter system using the system control panel (SCP); that can only be done using the gateway or the configuration tool. And once a XW Pro is set up to be a slave, the only path back to being a master is with the gateway or the configuration tool, or to reset the unit to factory defaults with the SCP. Technician explained that the 20-year old design of the SCP doesn't have enough memory to allow the 120/240 split phase options. However, it does seem to have enough memory for 120 or 240 single phase and 120/208 three phase, ... The reason this is a thorn in my side is that Schneider wants to market this inverter for off grid use and seems to totally ignore what happens when you have an off grid power system failure. If you have a master inverter failure and need to reconfigure the system, it needs to be something that can be corrected easily - in the middle of the night. No ac power, no computer, no phones, no internet. The only option seems to be to reset a slave unit with the SCP and then reprogram it. No longer as enthusiastic about using Schneider for off grid power. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
