Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
How about Geofabric [3] and gravel? --- On 2020-05-13 21:22, Corey Shalanski wrote: This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" question... For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious about the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has been that O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas mowers/trimmers with spot application of chemical herbicides. Does anyone have any experience with alternative methods, such as specialized seeding (e.g. pollinator-friendly), groundcover plants, goat herds, maybe even robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm especially interested to hear from anyone who has analyzed the pros/cons of different methods or who can speak to any approaches that might be site-specific. -- Corey Shalanski Jah Light Solar Portland, Jamaica ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm [1] Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm [2] http://www.members.re-wrenches.org [3] https://www.usfabricsinc.com/products/geotextiles/___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
The first thing I tell my clients interested in what is under arrays is to call the professionals.These folks are in most states and all over the world. Maui Master Gardener Helpline. Day: Monday, Wednesday, Friday Time: 9 am to noon. Phone: (808) 244-3242 ext. 228 email: mau...@ctahr.hawaii.edu They also have a websites and are on Facebook. Good Luck! Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ e-mail offgridso...@sti.net text 209 813 0060 On Wed, 13 May 2020 23:07:18 -0400, Ray wrote: > Goats are definitely off, I found they ate everything except what you > wanted them to. Very cute though. The low profile "Robo mower" idea > has merit. > > The best I've seen was a wild flower seed mix, that all grew only a > couple of feet high max. They probably needed some weed wacking a few > times a year, but much less than grass. Totally depends on the > location. On the wet side of Maui, you would have the array disappear > into the jungle in 6 months, never to be seen again. In the desert, it > might be sage brush after 10 years. > > I worked on a project once that used 4" deep gravel spread over 160 > acres. Total disaster in my opinion; think how many cubic yards had to > be trucked in. Vehicles got stuck in the loose gravel, it slowed > everyone down, and 3 ft high weeds were growing up out of it in 6 > weeks. Then when you went to weed wack, you had gravel projectiles sent > flying into the glass. > > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > 303 505-8760 > > On 5/13/20 9:28 PM, Jay wrote: >> Have you thought of sheep? >> >> Goats can be tough as they like to eat wire and climb on the panels. But >> if the modules are off the ground high enough might work. >> >> Jay >> >> Peltz power. >> >> >>> On May 13, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Corey Shalanski >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" >>> question... >>> >>> For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious >>> about the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has >>> been that O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas >>> mowers/trimmers with spot application of chemical herbicides. Does >>> anyone have any experience with alternative methods, such as specialized >>> seeding (e.g. pollinator-friendly), groundcover plants, goat herds, >>> maybe even robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm especially interested to hear >>> from anyone who has analyzed the pros/cons of different methods or who >>> can speak to any approaches that might be site-specific. >>> >>> -- >>> Corey Shalanski >>> Jah Light Solar >>> Portland, Jamaica >>> ___ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List-Archive: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
Sheep have been used here in Vermont. Not as destructive as goats. I have seen them in a solar farm but haven’t followed up with the owners to see if there have been any problems. John Blittersdorf CV Wind & Solar On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:32 AM Lloyd Hoffstatter < ll...@sunstruckconsulting.com> wrote: > We used a state approved low grow seed mix in NJ. Some info on seed mixes > from NREL. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy17osti/66218.pdf > > Best regards, > Lloyd Hoffstatter > Sunstruck Consulting > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > -- > *From:* RE-wrenches on behalf > of Ray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:07:18 PM > *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping > > Goats are definitely off, I found they ate everything except what you > wanted them to. Very cute though. The low profile "Robo mower" idea > has merit. > > The best I've seen was a wild flower seed mix, that all grew only a > couple of feet high max. They probably needed some weed wacking a few > times a year, but much less than grass. Totally depends on the > location. On the wet side of Maui, you would have the array disappear > into the jungle in 6 months, never to be seen again. In the desert, it > might be sage brush after 10 years. > > I worked on a project once that used 4" deep gravel spread over 160 > acres. Total disaster in my opinion; think how many cubic yards had to > be trucked in. Vehicles got stuck in the loose gravel, it slowed > everyone down, and 3 ft high weeds were growing up out of it in 6 > weeks. Then when you went to weed wack, you had gravel projectiles sent > flying into the glass. > > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > 303 505-8760 > > On 5/13/20 9:28 PM, Jay wrote: > > Have you thought of sheep? > > > > Goats can be tough as they like to eat wire and climb on the panels. But > if the modules are off the ground high enough might work. > > > > Jay > > > > Peltz power. > > > > > >> On May 13, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Corey Shalanski > wrote: > >> > >> > >> This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" > question... > >> > >> For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious > about the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has > been that O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas > mowers/trimmers with spot application of chemical herbicides. Does anyone > have any experience with alternative methods, such as specialized seeding > (e.g. pollinator-friendly), groundcover plants, goat herds, maybe even > robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm especially interested to hear from anyone > who has analyzed the pros/cons of different methods or who can speak to any > approaches that might be site-specific. > >> > >> -- > >> Corey Shalanski > >> Jah Light Solar > >> Portland, Jamaica > >> ___ > >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > >> > >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > >> > >> Change listserver email address & settings: > >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > >> > >> List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > >> > >> List rules & etiquette: > >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > >> > >> Check out or update participant bios: > >> www.members.re-wrenches.org > >> > > ___ > > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > > > Change listserver email address & settings: > > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > > > List rules & etiquette: > > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > > > Check out or update participant bios: > > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & eti
Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
We used a state approved low grow seed mix in NJ. Some info on seed mixes from NREL. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy17osti/66218.pdf Best regards, Lloyd Hoffstatter Sunstruck Consulting Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Ray Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:07:18 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping Goats are definitely off, I found they ate everything except what you wanted them to. Very cute though. The low profile "Robo mower" idea has merit. The best I've seen was a wild flower seed mix, that all grew only a couple of feet high max. They probably needed some weed wacking a few times a year, but much less than grass. Totally depends on the location. On the wet side of Maui, you would have the array disappear into the jungle in 6 months, never to be seen again. In the desert, it might be sage brush after 10 years. I worked on a project once that used 4" deep gravel spread over 160 acres. Total disaster in my opinion; think how many cubic yards had to be trucked in. Vehicles got stuck in the loose gravel, it slowed everyone down, and 3 ft high weeds were growing up out of it in 6 weeks. Then when you went to weed wack, you had gravel projectiles sent flying into the glass. Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 5/13/20 9:28 PM, Jay wrote: > Have you thought of sheep? > > Goats can be tough as they like to eat wire and climb on the panels. But if > the modules are off the ground high enough might work. > > Jay > > Peltz power. > > >> On May 13, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Corey Shalanski wrote: >> >> >> This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" question... >> >> For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious >> about the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has >> been that O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas >> mowers/trimmers with spot application of chemical herbicides. Does anyone >> have any experience with alternative methods, such as specialized seeding >> (e.g. pollinator-friendly), groundcover plants, goat herds, maybe even >> robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm especially interested to hear from anyone who >> has analyzed the pros/cons of different methods or who can speak to any >> approaches that might be site-specific. >> >> -- >> Corey Shalanski >> Jah Light Solar >> Portland, Jamaica >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> >> > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org> ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
Goats are definitely off, I found they ate everything except what you wanted them to. Very cute though. The low profile "Robo mower" idea has merit. The best I've seen was a wild flower seed mix, that all grew only a couple of feet high max. They probably needed some weed wacking a few times a year, but much less than grass. Totally depends on the location. On the wet side of Maui, you would have the array disappear into the jungle in 6 months, never to be seen again. In the desert, it might be sage brush after 10 years. I worked on a project once that used 4" deep gravel spread over 160 acres. Total disaster in my opinion; think how many cubic yards had to be trucked in. Vehicles got stuck in the loose gravel, it slowed everyone down, and 3 ft high weeds were growing up out of it in 6 weeks. Then when you went to weed wack, you had gravel projectiles sent flying into the glass. Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 5/13/20 9:28 PM, Jay wrote: Have you thought of sheep? Goats can be tough as they like to eat wire and climb on the panels. But if the modules are off the ground high enough might work. Jay Peltz power. On May 13, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Corey Shalanski wrote: This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" question... For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious about the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has been that O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas mowers/trimmers with spot application of chemical herbicides. Does anyone have any experience with alternative methods, such as specialized seeding (e.g. pollinator-friendly), groundcover plants, goat herds, maybe even robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm especially interested to hear from anyone who has analyzed the pros/cons of different methods or who can speak to any approaches that might be site-specific. -- Corey Shalanski Jah Light Solar Portland, Jamaica ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
Have you thought of sheep? Goats can be tough as they like to eat wire and climb on the panels. But if the modules are off the ground high enough might work. Jay Peltz power. > On May 13, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Corey Shalanski wrote: > > > This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" question... > > For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious about > the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has been that > O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas mowers/trimmers with > spot application of chemical herbicides. Does anyone have any experience with > alternative methods, such as specialized seeding (e.g. pollinator-friendly), > groundcover plants, goat herds, maybe even robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm > especially interested to hear from anyone who has analyzed the pros/cons of > different methods or who can speak to any approaches that might be > site-specific. > > -- > Corey Shalanski > Jah Light Solar > Portland, Jamaica > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
[RE-wrenches] Site Groundskeeping
This is not so much a "wrench" question--more like a "lawnmower" question... For anyone involved with large-scale ground mount systems, I am curious about the various methods being used to control vegetation. My sense has been that O&M service providers generally gravitate toward gas mowers/trimmers with spot application of chemical herbicides. Does anyone have any experience with alternative methods, such as specialized seeding (e.g. pollinator-friendly), groundcover plants, goat herds, maybe even robotic GPS-guided mowers? I'm especially interested to hear from anyone who has analyzed the pros/cons of different methods or who can speak to any approaches that might be site-specific. -- Corey Shalanski Jah Light Solar Portland, Jamaica ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
