[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Hi, >Ah, that is simply cool. Why Czech Republic specific? :-) I hope others >can read it too, as the page is simply cool and reminds me there is not >only product, but also some community around it. What about Guru >meditation executive update on the website? :-) Maybe it could be called >GurMan - what do we cook today? :-) Yes, I'm curious too, why are we privileged? Well, there is a lot of czechs here on list, but others are interested too, I think :) >And you can bet Carl, that if some kind of voting would be here, it >would end-up in some 10:0 pekr vs RT :-) Am I right folks? (don't dare >to tell anything against my opinion here, or I will shoot you! - Cyphre, >what about some shoot'em up game? :-) Pekr, you got my voice :) Let the sound be free! (and shell and libraries too ;) But about the shoot'em up - there actually IS one. Well, not by Cyphre, I wrote it and with little bit corrupted graphic under new /view but you can aim and shoot, aim and shoot, aim and shoot It's called Magion Gun and can be found on my REB > sites/rebolek/magion gun (only menu graphic is corrupted I think, game runs without problems) bye, Bolek(re) --- Odchozí zpráva neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolováno antivirovým systémem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.351 / Virová báze: 197 - datum vydání: 19.4.2002 -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
>I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core >and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: >Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for >commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five >copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would >be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any >educational purposes. Well I think you could do the same with Rebol Command, however I think redistribution for commercial use should be payed for, probably negotiable, this is just that I want to start using Rebol Command in a large product my company is working on but I can't convince my boss to put down the money on the Command up front. If I built stuff with it that was really useful of course his opinion might be changeable. -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds/Question/Comment
* Carl Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020516 05:42]: > On 16-May-02, Tim Johnson wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > I'm confused. I just downloaded the /Core distro for linux. > > It shows the exact size, date, as my current version. > > I didn't untar it, but it looks like the same version too.. > > > Did I miss something? > > It would seem so - new betas of Core and View were released for > testing early in the month. See... Thanks Carl. They are still there! -tj- > http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m22133.html > > http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m22135.html > > for info about them and where to download them. (If they're still > available.) > > -- > Carl Read > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes. -- Tim Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com http://www.johnsons-web.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: SKIP with *very* large values
Am Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 00:21 schrieb Gregg Irwin: this large numbers are automatically converted to decimals. could be skip does not like that? >> skip [1 2 3] 2 == [3] >> skip [1 2 3] 2.0 == [1 2 3] bug, to feedback? -volker > OK, I'm not expecting to ever need the use values this large with SKIP, but > I'm a little puzzled by the behavior. > > >> skip [1 2 3] > > == [] > > >> skip [1 2 3] 9 > > == [1 2 3] > > >> skip [1 2 3] -9 > > == [1 2 3] > > >> skip [1 2 3] -99 > > == [] > > >> skip [1 2 3] -999 > > == [] > > >> skip [1 2 3] - > > == [] > > >> skip [1 2 3] -9 > > == [1 2 3] > > Any thoughts? > > --Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Hi Carl, On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 7:57:00 PM, you wrote: CS> I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core CS> and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: This looks like what we were discussing some time ago. :) It would be great, since I'm still waiting for the company I'm working with to purchase /Encap and even if they said they would in December they still didn't... Usually we develop sw for shops and very small companies etc, with one user or two. Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- REBOL Programmer Amigan -- AGI L'Aquila -- REB: http://web.tiscali.it/rebol/index.r -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Hi Carl > I just wanted to drop by the list and say hi. I wish I had > more time to participate in the discussions here. So many > good ideas and questions! I would like to comment on every > message... It's nice to hear from you! I voted. [And posted a review] > ===New REBOL Licensing Thanks. Delighted to hear new consideration being given to licensing. Any opening up like this is great news. I don't want to appear to be looking a gift-horse in the mouth, BUT imo licensing is a very serious obstacle, as many posts to this list testify. If you really want to experience a wider rapid engagement of REBOL vision and its products, then I argue that a much more drastic simplification of RT products and licensing is required urgently.. OFFER JUST TWO PRODUCTS: 1. REBOL/CORE/COMMAND/VIEW aka REBOL/VIEW aka "REBOL" 2. REBOL/IOS x-Internet system REBOL would include /Core, /View /ViewPro and /Command Licensing [see below] would influence the time scope of access to some features, upgrades and multi-seat use and costs. REBOL/IOS All the other good stuff built on that. Turnkey business-oriented value and power. DEFINE _FOUR_ TYPES OF LICENSES DEMO Oriented to basic discovery of language. Free trial. Time limited Download and get on with it. Fun. Include Shell access and CALL for .exe etc But No ODBC or ENCAP DEVELOPEROriented to individual professional and application dev. Unlimited time for all features, except ODBC + ENCAP, which have 30 day free trial. Developers pay for ODBC and ENCAP permanent unlock after 30 days. Rates to be discussed $500 maybe ? EDUCATOR Like developer, but tailored for organization not an individual. Could apply to registered non-profits also. Assuming better docs become available, REBOL Educator course-ware and [printed]documentation could be charged for. This could also open up a developer market too writing modules ala EASY-VID. Bundle REBOL-ready webserver and HTML infrastructure to make-docs etc. Make it easy for educators to tryout out, survive their own bureaucracy gets kids and students hands-on and keep going with at an affordable rate.. COMMERCIALBusinesses. Multiple-user and/or site rates. All features enabled full time. How to make sure RT is not being cheated? A. Implement a low-level messaging within REBOL internals to track license and keep you and the user updated other status. Make it easy for them upgrade license this way. What are you proposing in itself now has been, and is quite reasonable in terms of real-life cost and value. But no technology exists in a vacuum. People will drop $200 on the latest xyz but hesitate to spend $50 for a brilliant software toolkit. Partly I fell this is a mix of greedy psychology compounded by inexperience/ignorance. SHELL + CALL : essential for servers Today the alternatives are many and excellent. Perl, PHP and Python offer free open easy access to a incredible growing set of modules, libraries, extensions, APIs, and support communities, books etc. For any kind of server-side use, even developer experimentation, the free REBOL has a major obstacle by not being able to do shell and execution of other software. Nobody I have spoken with can make head or tail of that lack. ENCAP The other one which drives people but is lack of stand alone executable. This is not an issue on Unix/Linux of course thanks to chmod 755. But for Windows is a serious problem for many. For casual users, educators, I think it is not a problem. But for many developers and businesses it surely sounds a big alarm bell preventing their office's adoption of REBOL beyond a fascinating language and idea. REBOL/IOS vs. REBOL In the scheme above, my premise is that if more people could explore REBOL more freely [that's REBOL/VIEWPRO/COMMAND:+/-ENCAP] they would be much more likely to appreciate IOS. Businesses especially would value better your turnkey offer and find it easier to engage it in a committed manner. best wishes ./Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Rebol Jabber client?
jabber client in rebol don't exist . answered by jabber.com :-((( Jason Cunliffe wrote: >Has anyone used REBOL with jabber ? > >thanks >./Jason > -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Hi Graham > For IOS to be successful, RT needs a large pool of > developers. To attract developers for IOS, you need to free > up Command and Pro for developers, and try licensing for > commercial use. I agree: to make Pro and Command free only for personal and non-commercial use should give to the rebol community, for free, libraries and scripts to interface the real world. --- Ciao Romano -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Text Editors?
Hey Bolek, Well, that's both sad and funny. I'm sorry more people didn't send in at least a little something. Thanks for trying anyway. I will gladly donate my winnings back to be used for the next round. :) --Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: SKIP with *very* large values
Carl and Tom, Thanks for the thoughts. I figured it was wrapping around, but I'm still not clear why. In any case, I don't think it should. << What do you get when you enter just the numbers at the Console? >> The same thing you do. Here's what I get: >> == 1E+20 >> 9 == 1E+21 >> -9 == -1E+17 >> -99 == -1E+18 --Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Internationalization appeal
I'm about to embark on a design and code exercise that will end up with a set of functions that will enable me to properly internationalise (or -ize) an application I'm likely to be writing. First and most important: if any one has already done this, _please_ let me knowI've reinvented enough wheels in my time. I'm appealing to the List for three things: 1. Some feedback on the requirements. Please take a look at the sample functions below and tell me what is missing so it can work for your country/locale. 2. A few people off-list (no point burdening the list with a techie design discussion) to help debug my design, implementation, and documentation. Please reply to me privately if you want to see the design docs (such as they are) or generally want to put some input into this. 3. When it's ready, I'd like some people to contribute the code to provide the functions for their language/country/locale. What I am doing? I want functions that render dates, times, currency and country names appropriately for international and local audiences. The initial client is a web application for a listings service. Given the recent discussions about collating sequences, I'll aim a design that can handle those too, though it's not something I currently need. Examples: --dates: >> render-date/short "uk-eng" 8-apr-2001 == 08 Apr 2001 ;; uk english short rendering >> render-date/long "us-eng" 8-apr-2001 == April, 8 2001 ;; US english long (full month name) rendering >> render-date "iso" 8-apr-2001 == 2001-04-08 ;; ISO standard >> render-date/long "es-esp" 8-apr-2001 == 8 de Abril 2001 ;; spain/spanish >> render-date/long "us-spa" 8-apr-2001 == Abril 8, 2001 ;; US/spanish (I'm guessing the acceptable format) >> render-date "travel-int" 8-apr-2001 == 08APR01 ;; international format used by travel trade >> render-date/long/day "uk-eng" 8-apr-2001 == Sunday, 8 April 2001 ;; long format with weekday >> render-date/long/day "uk" 8-apr-2001 whatever...returns a default format for the UK >> render-date/long/day "spa" 8-apr-2001 whateverreturns a default format for spanish Summary: render-date returns a display-formatted date in a format widely acceptable to people of that country/language. First parameter is usually xx-yyy where xx is the ISO 3166-1 2-alpha country code, and yyy is the ISO 639 3-alpha language code -- though variations are acceptable. --times: >> render-time "cz" 13:00:00 == 13:00 ;; 24-hour clock format hh:mm >> render-time "us" 13:00 == 1.00PM ;; 12hr clock, leading zero suppressed in hour --country names: >> render-country-name "es" == Espana ;; renders local short name format >> render-country-name/ISO-eng "es" == Spain ;; renders ISO-639 english short name format >> render-country-name/ISO-fre "es" == Espagne ;; renders ISO-639 french short name format --money: >> render-money "us" $12.50 == USD12.50 >> render-money "de" -$1002.50 == EUR1.002,50- ;; German negative format -- trailing sign >> render-money "uk" -$1002.50 == (GBP1,002.50) ;; UK negative format -- in brackets >> render-money/symbol "us" $1 == $1.00 >> render-money/words "uk-eng" $20.50 == "Twenty Pounds and 50 pence" >> render-money "in" $123456.78 == INR1,23,456.78 ;; Indian rupees – note "nonstandard" location for separators. --collating functions: >> sf: Get-collate-function "at-deu" ;; returns collate/compare function for Austria/German >> sf: Get-collate-function "hu-hun" ;; returns collate/compare function for Hungary/Hungarian - Without prejudicing the design, I suspect there is a two-stage look-up Example: "us-spa", "us-esp", "us-sp", "840-spa", "840-esp", and "840-sp" (all ISO-639 variants for US/Spanish) will point to a rule set for render-date. That rule-set contains the actual code (maybe as a single 'compose statement) to action the rendering. There are then issues about caching functions for higher performance. I'm willing to do all the leg-work: design and write the supervising code, write the english documentation, and release it all under a BSD (flexible open-source) licence. But the more help I can get, the higher-quality the end result -- and I hope we can all benefit from that. Thanks for reading!! Sunanda -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Obscure? You be the judge!
Hi, Ladislav > The native MAKE PROTO can return even error values. I cannot simulate that > without RETURN... ... > It could be any type value (e.g. error). I always forget error return (i do not like it). > Thanks for your analysis. Thank you for your emulation which made me think to the problem. > This behaviour is really complicated. It is hard to emulate, but it seems to me simpler to understand: 1) object is cloned as is (with func block copied) 2) new setword coming from spec added to the object context (this should mean that Rebol is internally already able to add new words to an existing context beyond global context) 3) spec block is bound to the expanded context 4) spec block is evaluated and object/self returned > Ciao >Ladislav --- Ciao Romano -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Cyphre wrote: <...> >>Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for >>commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five >>copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would >>be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any >>educational purposes. >> >>This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your >>programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients, >>and for use in consulting solutions. <...> > This licensing model seems to be quite better than the current one! I'd second that! > What > about View/Pro features? Would be great to free(only at the same conditions > you've written above) some (or even all?) of them...at least sound and > library access interface. I think this will help to spread Rebol into wide > area of applications and better compete with other free scripting > languages.What is your opinion on that? Ahh, yes, those people who always try to get the whole hand, if you give them your small finger. ;-D Well, actually, I think there are many people out there who won't take Rebol seriously, unless all versions have shell/library. I, myself, think that encryption is very immportant nowadays. Can live without sound, though. BTW, are there any docs about the system port? Kind regards, Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Hungarian Alphabet Sort (was Re: Collation sequence - proper and efficient sorting of national accented chars?)
From: "Carl Read"
> On 16-May-02, G. Scott Jones wrote:
>
> > This is extremely promising. I drew from the ISO-8859-2 character
> > set to make a rule, and it initially seems to sort correctly. The
> > time through is roughly the same as my hack (but I've not really
> > set-up a clean time condition).
>
> I've thoughts about how to speed it up - will be testing them out.
Great!
> > The only problem so far occurs when
> > I run my word sample list through more than once. It seems to
> > magically have kept the original sort/s and continues to append new
> > results to the block. I cannot seem to find where the problem is
> > occurring.
>
> It's in here...
>
> forall series [
> clear blk
> parse/case series/1 rule
> append/only ptrs copy blk
> append last ptrs series/1
> ]
>
> 'forall leaving 'series at its tail, so the 'clear that follows
> doesn't clear it. Change it to the following and it should fix that
> problem. (Though not your other one. See my other post about that.)
>
> foreach s series [
> clear blk
> parse/case s rule
> append/only ptrs copy blk
> append last ptrs s
> ]
Yep, needless to say, that fixed it.
rule-4: pattern-rule { !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?
@AaÁᡱÂâÄäÃãBbCcÆæÈèÇçDdÏïÐðEeÉéÊêËëÌìFf
GgHhIiÍíÎîJjKkLlÅ奵£³MmNnÑñÒòOoÓóÔôÕõÖöPp
QqRrÀàØøSs¦¶©¹ªºßTt«»ÞþUuÙùÚúÜüÛûVvWwXxYy
ÝýZz¬¼¯¿Zz[\]^_`{|}~}
Here is the rule pattern I **generated** from my table for the ISO-8859-2
character set. Currently, this is sorted big-uns before little-uns. If the
character looks totally out of place, it is because this representation used
the ISO-8859-1 implicit in REBOL. Which brings me to the next "problem",
there will be no way to generate the proper character that isn't already
contained in the standard character set. So some sorted solutions will not
"appear" to be correct, until the result is displayed in the correct
character representation set. This does not appear to be a problem in
Hungarian (so far), but will be in other languages. Hmmm.
Keep up the good work. I look forward to seeing your ideas regarding the
"multi-letter graphemes" in the separate post (which has not yet arrived
here ... whoops .. just arrived!).
Later...
--Scott Jones
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
> I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core > and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: Sounds not only reasonable, but outright generous! I think you're on the very right track. Best regards, -- Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
I also think it is only to REBOL's benefit to free up pro features in view. rishi __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
I second Petrs proposition to move at least the Library component in Core. That really adds value for the (commercial) rebolopers. --Maarten > Carl Sassenrath wrote: > >Dear REBOL List: > > > >I just wanted to drop by the list and say hi. I wish I had > >more time to participate in the discussions here. So many > >good ideas and questions! I would like to comment on every > >message... > > That's great :-) > > >===Webby > > > >As you know, REBOL was recently nominated for a Webby. > >This is a huge honor for us, being picked as one of the top > >five technical achievements along with Google, Sony, and two > >others. > > > >Although the Webby itself is decided by a closed group of > >people, the People's Voice award is picked by the public. > >This is our opportunity to make REBOL stand out. I realize > >that it's not that easy to vote, but please do! Google now > >has the lead, but REBOL is second. Let's make REBOL first. > > > >http://www.webbyawards.com/peoplesvoice/index.html > > > >Be sure to tell your friends and coworkers to vote too. > >Also, send the REBOL Webby press release to your local > >newspapers. Now that is REBOL networking. > > already voted and also pushed my brain to come up with some comments, > after your marketing guru Scot talked me to write something :-) > > >===Bio Update > > > >For those of you in the CZ Republic, I've added a more > >detailed history/bio on myself and put a few photos along > >with it (including nice Amiga team photo). You can find > >it at: > > > >http://www.rebol.com/bio-carl.html > > Ah, that is simply cool. Why Czech Republic specific? :-) I hope others > can read it too, as the page is simply cool and reminds me there is not > only product, but also some community around it. What about Guru > meditation executive update on the website? :-) Maybe it could be called > GurMan - what do we cook today? :-) > > I also saw your employment oportunities? What about programmers > employment oportunities? You will need more programmers to get all that > nice enhancement requests to 3.0, don't you think? :-) > > >===New REBOL Licensing > > > >I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core > >and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: > > > >Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for > >commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five > >copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would > >be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any > >educational purposes. > > > >This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your > >programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients, > >and for use in consulting solutions. > > > >What we're really trying to do is avoid XYZ Company using it > >for free with their 100,000 employees. They can afford to pay > >for it, and we need them to do so. (Unlike Linus, etc., we don't > >have any other jobs but REBOL!) > > Ah, sounds too good to be true! I have few other questions/suggestions > here: > > - is it possible to let computer magazine publish Rebol/View on their CD > for ppl to try? Do they need any kind of special licence/agreement or > are they free to do so? > > - what kind of Desktop will next View feature? IIRC it was said Link & > View are bocoming one - but Link uses synchronisation to IOS server > along with IOS Desktop. What will View users use? Current View desktop, > so there will be two desktops? Or? > > - if this is the right time for Rebol to take off, I would go even > further - put library and shell components into Core! Let them fly! > Security, databases, etc. are still good for /Command. Simplify your > product line - discard /Pro, so there would be only Core with library > and shell and /Command profi line. Look - I think that equation is not > only: > > X pieces of Rebol sold * Y money it costs = how to measure success ... > > I am not sure you take in mind also psychologic factors. E.g. once you > establish Rebol in some community, such community will become dependant > upon it, will start to use it, suggest it to others, promote it - it is > spiral effect, it starts slowly, maybe does not bring some direct sales > intitially, but I think if done well, it can turn into advantage ... :-) > > And you can bet Carl, that if some kind of voting would be here, it > would end-up in some 10:0 pekr vs RT :-) Am I right folks? (don't dare > to tell anything against my opinion here, or I will shoot you! - Cyphre, > what about some shoot'em up game? :-) > > Note: library and shell could be secured the same way, as you do when > you touch outside of default sand-box - dialog box asking for permission > (Rebol's native 'delete command can cause enough damage, maybe even > more, than most of library functions :-) > > >===Just Remember on IOS... > > > >I just wanted to point out that, just as VID is just a subsystem > >running on View (and you can write your own VID or similar GUI > >system), the IOS Desktop is just an applic
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Hi Carl, I voted for Rebol! --Alessandro-- > Dear REBOL List: > > I just wanted to drop by the list and say hi. I wish I had > more time to participate in the discussions here. So many > good ideas and questions! I would like to comment on every > message... > > ===Webby > > As you know, REBOL was recently nominated for a Webby. > This is a huge honor for us, being picked as one of the top > five technical achievements along with Google, Sony, and two > others. > > Although the Webby itself is decided by a closed group of > people, the People's Voice award is picked by the public. > This is our opportunity to make REBOL stand out. I realize > that it's not that easy to vote, but please do! Google now > has the lead, but REBOL is second. Let's make REBOL first. > > http://www.webbyawards.com/peoplesvoice/index.html > > Be sure to tell your friends and coworkers to vote too. > Also, send the REBOL Webby press release to your local > newspapers. Now that is REBOL networking. > > ===Bio Update > > For those of you in the CZ Republic, I've added a more > detailed history/bio on myself and put a few photos along > with it (including nice Amiga team photo). You can find > it at: > > http://www.rebol.com/bio-carl.html > > ===New REBOL Licensing > > I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core > and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: > > Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for > commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five > copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would > be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any > educational purposes. > > This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your > programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients, > and for use in consulting solutions. > > What we're really trying to do is avoid XYZ Company using it > for free with their 100,000 employees. They can afford to pay > for it, and we need them to do so. (Unlike Linus, etc., we don't > have any other jobs but REBOL!) > > ===Release of new Core and View > > It's good to see users reporting that the new Core and View fix > a number of bugs and crashes. We've been using this Core for > so many months now, we've forgotten about those. > > Also, be sure to tell us about any additional types of crashes, > and we'll get them fixed. Please use the new feedback form at: > > http://www.rebol.com/feedback.html > > If you post them to the REBOL-list, chances are we'll never see > them. Sorry. > > ===Just Remember on IOS... > > I just wanted to point out that, just as VID is just a subsystem > running on View (and you can write your own VID or similar GUI > system), the IOS Desktop is just an application that runs on IOS. > IOS is capable of a lot more than just that provided by the Desktop. > In fact it is possible to create custom desktop apps that change > it completely. The desktop is written 100% in REBOL and is about > 40K of code. > > We've been thinking of alternate types of desktops that are more > organizational workflow specific. We've got some killer-app ideas > too! > > That's it for now! Got to run. Remember to Vote for REBOL! > > -Carl > > Carl Sassenrath > REBOL Founder > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes. > > Alessandro Manotti Presidente dell'Associazione "RIUSA" Sito web: http://riusa.apritisesamo.net email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing-list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefono: 347.63.43.231 -- Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Le maglie con il numero e il nome dei tuoi campioni, sono sul Milanstore Clicca qui: http://adv2.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=313&d=16-5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: SKIP with *very* large values
On 16-May-02, Gregg Irwin wrote: > OK, I'm not expecting to ever need the use values this large with > SKIP, but I'm a little puzzled by the behavior. >>> skip [1 2 3] > == [] >>> skip [1 2 3] 9 > == [1 2 3] >>> skip [1 2 3] -9 > == [1 2 3] >>> skip [1 2 3] -99 > == [] >>> skip [1 2 3] -999 > == [] >>> skip [1 2 3] - > == [] >>> skip [1 2 3] -9 > == [1 2 3] > Any thoughts? I'd think it's due to the maths routines your OS uses, as on Amiga I don't get the results you get, the positive numbers all returning an empty block and the negative ones a full one. What do you get when you enter just the numbers at the Console? ie... >> == 1E+20 >> 9 == 1E+21 >> -9 == -1E+17 >> -99 == -1E+18 -- Carl Read -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds/Question/Comment
On 16-May-02, Tim Johnson wrote: Hi Tim, > I'm confused. I just downloaded the /Core distro for linux. > It shows the exact size, date, as my current version. > I didn't untar it, but it looks like the same version too.. > Did I miss something? It would seem so - new betas of Core and View were released for testing early in the month. See... http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m22133.html http://www.escribe.com/internet/rebol/m22135.html for info about them and where to download them. (If they're still available.) -- Carl Read -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] More about Sentences & AMD (Associative Model of Data)
Here's an academic site based in the uk that provides information and background to research into associative model of data and database research on which Lazysoft.com sentences is a current java implementation. here's the url http://www.dcs.bbk.ac.uk/TriStarp/ cheers everbody, Mark Dickson -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
On 16-May-02, Carl Sassenrath wrote: > ===New REBOL Licensing > I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core > and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: > Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for > commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five > copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would > be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any > educational purposes. > This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your > programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients, > and for use in consulting solutions. That sounds very generous. One thing you need to address is to get more web-hosts to actively support REBOL. Searches of the Web for hosts that mention REBOL support on their websites usually turns up no more than two or three. Also, this site... http://www.webhostingratings.com/advanced.html seems to be the most popular place to search for hosting sites, (according to Google when you search for "web hosting"), but there's no way on their search page to search for hosts with REBOL support, unlike ones with support for Perl and Python and so on. Perhaps you could drop them a line and ask them to add a REBOL tick to their submit form. And good luck with the Webbies. (From an honest voter:) -- Carl Read -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Hungarian Alphabet Sort (was Re: Collation sequence - proper and efficient sorting of national accented chars?)
On 16-May-02, Volker Nitsch wrote:
> Carl, my volley pass works similar to yours, except i made it more
> complicated :)
"Simple things should be simple." (So I can understand them;)
> your pattern-rule "aAbBcC" would look like [+ "a" + "A" + "b" + "B"
> + "c" + "C"] because i use blocks with strings, i can also map
> multi-char-codes. so [+ "CH"] maps to one char.
I allowed for that. It accepts a string or a block of strings.
Except it's bugged as it stands ): But it may be able to be fixed...
> IIRC "CH" is handled
> like one char? also i have [+ "CH" = "Ch"]. this says, "CH" and "Ch"
> are the same. (add a new code-number for "CH" and use the same
> number for "Ch").
This I didn't allow for. Currently my rule-blocks look like this...
["a" "b" "c" "ch" "CH"]
and words with "ch" in would always preceed ones with "CH" in after
sorting. Placing equal ones in blocks would seem a nice solution...
["a" "b" "c" ["ch" "CH"]]
> And in my telephone-book "ö" is handled like
> "oe", so one char expands to two. So i need this kind of commands?
I can't see why we would, as we're sorting something in just the one
format, not changing the format. (I hope:)
> (Scott, i found no "ss" in this book, because "ss" has always two
> chars before it and is rarely used. sorry..
>
http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/spinfo/lehre/java/kap23/collating.htm#3.3
> duden 73: "ß" like "ss", by same words before (argh!) since 96
> changed: "ß" after "ss". and "ä" the same as "a".
> telephonbook is wrong? or duden? hmm.. back to script.)
> )
> first the block is initialized with ascii-codes [.. + "@" + "A" ..]
> then i could move whole char-blocks around, to mix "aAbB". then
> comes
> customize-ascii: [
>at "h" [+ "ch"]
>at "H" [+ "CH" = "Ch"]
>]
> which says {find "h" in block and insert[+ "ch"] behind},same for
> "H". now i have [.. + "h" + "ch" + "i"].
> in a second pass i give numbers to the strings in tis order, in a
> third i create the parse-rule, which translates a string to the
> sort-encoding.
> for sorting i mix strings and their translations like [translation1
> string1 translation2 string2] sort with sort/skip 2,
I should've used sort/skip - it's one of the ways I'm hoping to speed
things up.
> and extract the strings back to the original block.
> hmm, somehow i like your string more. if it could deal with
> multi-chars.
It can - just not correctly. (; 'rule-3 showed how it's meant to
work...
rule-3: pattern-rule ["a" "A" "b" "B" "ch" "c" "C"]
>> == [some ["a" (r 1) | "A" (r 2) | "b" (r 3) | "B" (r 4) | "ch" (r
>> 5) |
>> "c" (r 6) | "C" (r 7) | skip (r 8)]]
pattern-sort "abcABCchCbA" rule-3
>> == "aAAbbBchcCC"
pattern-sort ["AabA" "chab" "chAB" "cchc" "achA"] rule-3
>> == ["achA" "AabA" "chab" "chAB" "cchc"]
But, as Scott pointed out, it doesn't get this right...
---8<---
rule-4: pattern-rule ["a" "A" "b" "B" "c" "C" "h" "H" "ch" "Ch"]
will not correctly sort:
>> pattern-sort ["c" "ch" "h"] rule-4
== ["ch" "c" "h"]
;should be "c" "h" "ch"
---8<---
Back to the drawing-board...
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[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Hello Carl, > ===Bio Update > > For those of you in the CZ Republic, I've added a more > detailed history/bio on myself and put a few photos along > with it (including nice Amiga team photo). You can find > it at: > > http://www.rebol.com/bio-carl.html Really nice reading ;-) > ===New REBOL Licensing > > I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core > and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: > > Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for > commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five > copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would > be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any > educational purposes. > > This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your > programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients, > and for use in consulting solutions. > > What we're really trying to do is avoid XYZ Company using it > for free with their 100,000 employees. They can afford to pay > for it, and we need them to do so. (Unlike Linus, etc., we don't > have any other jobs but REBOL!) > This licensing model seems to be quite better than the current one! What about View/Pro features? Would be great to free(only at the same conditions you've written above) some (or even all?) of them...at least sound and library access interface. I think this will help to spread Rebol into wide area of applications and better compete with other free scripting languages.What is your opinion on that? regards, Cyphre -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Hungarian Alphabet Sort (was Re: Collation sequence - proper and efficient sorting of national accented chars?)
On 16-May-02, G. Scott Jones wrote: > Hi, Carl, > The idea did look promising, even for the "multi-letter graphemes" > (like the czech "ch"), but then I believe we run into a limitation > of 'parse. The longer phrase rule needs to come before the shorter > one, so that: > rule-4: pattern-rule ["a" "A" "b" "B" "c" "C" "h" "H" "ch" "Ch"] > will not correctly sort: >>> pattern-sort ["c" "ch" "h"] rule-4 > == ["ch" "c" "h"] > ;should be "c" "h" "ch" > At least one other person has mused over the desire to have a > pattern sort (in this case under the gnu Linux sort) (look near the > bottom): > http://budling.nytud.hu/~szigetva/etcetera/converters/README > In this case, the pattern has a bit more information: > a=á where "a" can be told to sort the same as "a with acute", both of > these sort before "b" ... and "zs" sorts after "z" > Breaking apart this information might allow a parse rule to set-up > the sequence to allow the longer phrase rules to come before the > shorter ones. At least I think it would work. My first thoughts are that it'd work too, but then we're talking about my coding here. (; Anyway, only the order of the parse rules should need to be changed. ie, this is what's currently generated... >> probe rule-4 [some ["a" (r 1) | "A" (r 2) | "b" (r 3) | "B" (r 4) | "c" (r 5) | "C" (r 6) | "h" (r 7) | "H" (r 8) | "ch" (r 9) | "Ch" (r 10) | skip (r 11)]] Moving the "ch"s to the front of the rule gives us this... rule-5: [some ["ch" (r 9) | "Ch" (r 10) | "a" (r 1) | "A" (r 2) | "b" (r 3) | "B" (r 4) | "c" (r 5) | "C" (r 6) | "h" (r 7) | "H" (r 8) | skip (r 11) ]] Using that fixes your error above... >> pattern-sort ["c" "ch" "h"] rule-5 == ["c" "h" "ch"] though it screws up string sorting big-time... >> pattern-sort "cchh" rule-5 == "bch" (: Anyway, I'll see if I can get it to behave, and I'll try out the speed improvements I thought of as well. -- Carl Read -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Hungarian Alphabet Sort (was Re: Collation sequence - proper and efficient sorting of national accented chars?)
On 16-May-02, G. Scott Jones wrote: > This is extremely promising. I drew from the ISO-8859-2 character > set to make a rule, and it initially seems to sort correctly. The > time through is roughly the same as my hack (but I've not really > set-up a clean time condition). I've thoughts about how to speed it up - will be testing them out. > The only problem so far occurs when > I run my word sample list through more than once. It seems to > magically have kept the original sort/s and continues to append new > results to the block. I cannot seem to find where the problem is > occurring. It's in here... forall series [ clear blk parse/case series/1 rule append/only ptrs copy blk append last ptrs series/1 ] 'forall leaving 'series at its tail, so the 'clear that follows doesn't clear it. Change it to the following and it should fix that problem. (Though not your other one. See my other post about that.) foreach s series [ clear blk parse/case s rule append/only ptrs copy blk append last ptrs s ] -- Carl Read -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: read news
Mary,Allen I think the problem is deeper than that and calls for a bug report to feedback. quoting did not work for me (it caused the news server to be unrecognized) >> read nntp://"news.continet.com/3dfx.support"; ** User Error: No network server for NNTP is specified ** Near: read nntp:// "news.continet.com/3dfx.support" neither does url-encoding the address >> read nntp://news.continet.com/%33dfx.support connecting to: news.continet.com ** Syntax Error: Invalid decimal -- 3dfx.support ** Near: (line 1) 211 0 959 958 3dfx.support selected On Thu, 16 May 2002, Allen Kamp wrote: > Hi Mary, > > If there are odd characters or spaces in a file name or url, placing "" > around it often helps. > > Try > > nntp://"news.epita.fr/3dfx.game"; > > Cheers, > > Allen K > > - Original Message - > From: "Maryline Coste" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:36 PM > Subject: [REBOL] read news > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I cann't read news with a group name beginning by a number > > > > for example > > read nntp://news.epita.fr/3dfx.game > > connecting to: news.epita.fr > > ** Syntax Error: Invalid decimal -- 3dfx.game > > ** Near: (line 1) 211 83892 500422 587487 3dfx.game > > > > Do you know a solution ?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mary > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the > > subject, without the quotes. > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes. > -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: SKIP with *very* large values
thoughts? sure ... promises no. overall geuss, your decimal! is interperted as an integer. either the set of bits begins with 1 it is taken as a negative skip and since before the head is still the head, the block is returned orherwise the set of bits is interpeted as a large positive skip value and beyond the tail is still the tail so the tail of tour block is returned. time to test the theory >> a: [ 1 2 3] == [1 2 3] >> b: tail a == [] >> c: skip a == [] >> equal? b c == true >> d: head a == [1 2 3] >> f: skip a 9 == [1 2 3] >> equal? d f == true at least it does not disprove the theory :) On Wed, 15 May 2002, Gregg Irwin wrote: > OK, I'm not expecting to ever need the use values this large with SKIP, but > I'm a little puzzled by the behavior. > > >> skip [1 2 3] > == [] > >> skip [1 2 3] 9 > == [1 2 3] > > >> skip [1 2 3] -9 > == [1 2 3] > >> skip [1 2 3] -99 > == [] > >> skip [1 2 3] -999 > == [] > >> skip [1 2 3] - > == [] > >> skip [1 2 3] -9 > == [1 2 3] > > Any thoughts? > > --Gregg > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes. > -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: Text Editors?
Well, REBOL/Demo... I've been expecting that question... :) When I started RDC I thought I receive some demos or no demos at all. In the first case I'll publish them on dedicated REB, in the second case I'll make a hoax REB with my demos. But...I received one demo. So I was doubtful about RDC. Is the autor of the demo winner when there is no competition? Or should I release my demos as hoax to make some competition? How to solve this? And I made...nothing (well not the best solution at all - I know and sorry about that) So, Gregg, I'm glad to say that the winning demo is FIREWORKS and YOU - as the author - ARE THE WINNER! And no, ther is no second prize, so the winner takes it all ;) Cheers, Bolek(re) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gregg Irwin Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] Re: Text Editors? Hi Bolek, How did the demo contest every turn out? I didn't see any results posted anywwhere. --Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes. --- Pøíchozí zpráva neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolováno antivirovým systémem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.351 / Virová báze: 197 - datum vydání: 19.4.2002 --- Odchozí zpráva neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolováno antivirovým systémem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.351 / Virová báze: 197 - datum vydání: 19.4.2002 -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
Carl Sassenrath wrote: >Dear REBOL List: > >I just wanted to drop by the list and say hi. I wish I had >more time to participate in the discussions here. So many >good ideas and questions! I would like to comment on every >message... > That's great :-) >===Webby > >As you know, REBOL was recently nominated for a Webby. >This is a huge honor for us, being picked as one of the top >five technical achievements along with Google, Sony, and two >others. > >Although the Webby itself is decided by a closed group of >people, the People's Voice award is picked by the public. >This is our opportunity to make REBOL stand out. I realize >that it's not that easy to vote, but please do! Google now >has the lead, but REBOL is second. Let's make REBOL first. > >http://www.webbyawards.com/peoplesvoice/index.html > >Be sure to tell your friends and coworkers to vote too. >Also, send the REBOL Webby press release to your local >newspapers. Now that is REBOL networking. > already voted and also pushed my brain to come up with some comments, after your marketing guru Scot talked me to write something :-) >===Bio Update > >For those of you in the CZ Republic, I've added a more >detailed history/bio on myself and put a few photos along >with it (including nice Amiga team photo). You can find >it at: > >http://www.rebol.com/bio-carl.html > > Ah, that is simply cool. Why Czech Republic specific? :-) I hope others can read it too, as the page is simply cool and reminds me there is not only product, but also some community around it. What about Guru meditation executive update on the website? :-) Maybe it could be called GurMan - what do we cook today? :-) I also saw your employment oportunities? What about programmers employment oportunities? You will need more programmers to get all that nice enhancement requests to 3.0, don't you think? :-) >===New REBOL Licensing > >I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core >and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm thinking: > >Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for >commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five >copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would >be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any >educational purposes. > >This mean you can use REBOL for creating and selling your >programs, for in-house servers, for small company clients, >and for use in consulting solutions. > >What we're really trying to do is avoid XYZ Company using it >for free with their 100,000 employees. They can afford to pay >for it, and we need them to do so. (Unlike Linus, etc., we don't >have any other jobs but REBOL!) > > Ah, sounds too good to be true! I have few other questions/suggestions here: - is it possible to let computer magazine publish Rebol/View on their CD for ppl to try? Do they need any kind of special licence/agreement or are they free to do so? - what kind of Desktop will next View feature? IIRC it was said Link & View are bocoming one - but Link uses synchronisation to IOS server along with IOS Desktop. What will View users use? Current View desktop, so there will be two desktops? Or? - if this is the right time for Rebol to take off, I would go even further - put library and shell components into Core! Let them fly! Security, databases, etc. are still good for /Command. Simplify your product line - discard /Pro, so there would be only Core with library and shell and /Command profi line. Look - I think that equation is not only: X pieces of Rebol sold * Y money it costs = how to measure success ... I am not sure you take in mind also psychologic factors. E.g. once you establish Rebol in some community, such community will become dependant upon it, will start to use it, suggest it to others, promote it - it is spiral effect, it starts slowly, maybe does not bring some direct sales intitially, but I think if done well, it can turn into advantage ... :-) And you can bet Carl, that if some kind of voting would be here, it would end-up in some 10:0 pekr vs RT :-) Am I right folks? (don't dare to tell anything against my opinion here, or I will shoot you! - Cyphre, what about some shoot'em up game? :-) Note: library and shell could be secured the same way, as you do when you touch outside of default sand-box - dialog box asking for permission (Rebol's native 'delete command can cause enough damage, maybe even more, than most of library functions :-) >===Just Remember on IOS... > >I just wanted to point out that, just as VID is just a subsystem >running on View (and you can write your own VID or similar GUI >system), the IOS Desktop is just an application that runs on IOS. >IOS is capable of a lot more than just that provided by the Desktop. >In fact it is possible to create custom desktop apps that change >it completely. The desktop is written 100% in REBOL and is about >40K of code. > >We've been thinking of alternate types of desktops that are more >or
[REBOL] Re: read news
Hi, quoting did not work for me too. Thanks, I report that to feedback. Tom Conlin wrote: >Mary,Allen > >I think the problem is deeper than that and calls for a bug report to >feedback. quoting did not work for me >(it caused the news server to be unrecognized) > >>>read nntp://"news.continet.com/3dfx.support"; >>> >** User Error: No network server for NNTP is specified >** Near: read nntp:// "news.continet.com/3dfx.support" > > >neither does url-encoding the address > >>>read nntp://news.continet.com/%33dfx.support >>> >connecting to: news.continet.com >** Syntax Error: Invalid decimal -- 3dfx.support >** Near: (line 1) 211 0 959 958 3dfx.support selected > > > >On Thu, 16 May 2002, Allen Kamp wrote: > >>Hi Mary, >> >>If there are odd characters or spaces in a file name or url, placing "" >>around it often helps. >> >>Try >> >>nntp://"news.epita.fr/3dfx.game"; >> >>Cheers, >> >>Allen K >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Maryline Coste" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:36 PM >>Subject: [REBOL] read news >> >> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I cann't read news with a group name beginning by a number >>> >>>for example >>>read nntp://news.epita.fr/3dfx.game >>>connecting to: news.epita.fr >>>** Syntax Error: Invalid decimal -- 3dfx.game >>>** Near: (line 1) 211 83892 500422 587487 3dfx.game >>> >>>Do you know a solution ?? >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Mary >>> >>>-- >>>To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the >>>subject, without the quotes. >>> >>> >>-- >>To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the >>subject, without the quotes. >> > -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds/Question/Comment
Hello Carl and All: > Core and View would be free for use and redistribution for > commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than five > copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing would > be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any > educational purposes. Carl, I think that is a very good decision! > ===Release of new Core and View Download? Where? > It's good to see users reporting that the new Core and View fix > a number of bugs and crashes. We've been using this Core for > so many months now, we've forgotten about those. I've been using Core 2.5.0.4.2 for some time now.. I'm confused. I just downloaded the /Core distro for linux. It shows the exact size, date, as my current version. I didn't untar it, but it looks like the same version too.. Did I miss something? (But Core 2.5.0.4.2 has always been rock-solid stable on my box and domain anyways) :-) -tim- > Also, be sure to tell us about any additional types of crashes, > and we'll get them fixed. Please use the new feedback form at: > > http://www.rebol.com/feedback.html > > If you post them to the REBOL-list, chances are we'll never see > them. Sorry. > > ===Just Remember on IOS... > > I just wanted to point out that, just as VID is just a subsystem > running on View (and you can write your own VID or similar GUI > system), the IOS Desktop is just an application that runs on IOS. > IOS is capable of a lot more than just that provided by the Desktop. > In fact it is possible to create custom desktop apps that change > it completely. The desktop is written 100% in REBOL and is about > 40K of code. > > We've been thinking of alternate types of desktops that are more > organizational workflow specific. We've got some killer-app ideas > too! > > That's it for now! Got to run. Remember to Vote for REBOL! > > -Carl > > Carl Sassenrath > REBOL Founder > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes. -- Tim Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com http://www.johnsons-web.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
[REBOL] Re: REBOL momentum builds
> ===New REBOL Licensing > > I think it's time to change the licensing for REBOL/Core > and REBOL/View. What do you think? Here's what I'm > thinking: > > Core and View would be free for use and redistribution > for > commercial and noncommercial use; however, if more than > five > copies are in use at a single company, then purchasing > would > be required. Exception would be the use of REBOL for any > educational purposes. For IOS to be successful, RT needs a large pool of developers. To attract developers for IOS, you need to free up Command and Pro for developers, and try licensing for commercial use. Perhaps make it a condition of use by developers that they enforce this before distributing their scripts. My 2 cents. ( currently worth .9 UScents ) -- Graham Chiu -- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" in the subject, without the quotes.
