[recoznet2] Warm reception for Burke!
NT leader jeered over sentencing laws Source: AAP | Published: Friday March 24, 11:15 AM Northern Territory Chief Minister Denis Burke was berated by demonstrators as he entered an attorneys-general conference in Melbourne set to consider a motion condemning his mandatory sentencing laws. A photographer was knocked over in the crush as protesters yelled 'how many lives' and 'where's your soul' right in Burke's face. Earlier about a dozen demonstrators dressed in mourning black laid out biscuits, pencils and cans of food to reflect the stolen items which landed two NT Aborigines in jail under the Territory's tough mandatory sentencing laws. Today's meeting in Melbourne of the standing committee of attorneys-general will consider a Victorian motion condemning the mandatory sentencing laws of the Territory and WA. The sponsor of the motion, Victorian Attorney-General Rob Hulls today described the laws as 'immoral, unethical and racist.' Burke was the last of the ministers to run the protesters gauntlet receiving by far the angriest reception. Australia's chief law officers will today also consider another Victorian motion to join in legal action to recover costs of smoking related health care from cigarette manufacturers. -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] A Sad Duty
You're welcome, Ian. But I made a mistake in transcription - 'glow' should be 'glory' in the 3rd last line. I've changed it below. Sorry about that. Tim Jack Davis Aboriginal Australia to the others You once smiled a friendly smile,Said we were kin to one another,Thus with guile for a short whileBecame to me a brother.Then you swamped my way of gladness, Took my children from my side,Snapped shut the lawbook, oh my sadness At Yirrkala's plea denied.So, I remember Lake George hills,The thin stick bones of people.Sudden death, and greed that kills,That gave you church and steeple.I cry again for Worrarra men,Gone from kith and kind,And I wondered when I would find a pen To probe your freckled mind.I mourned again for the Murray Tribe, Gone too without a trace,I thought of the soldiers' diatribe,The smile on the Governor's face.You murdered me with rope, with gun, The massacre my enclave,You buried me deep on McLarty's run Flung into a common grave.You propped me up with Christ, red tape, Tobacco, grog and fears,Then disease and lordly rapeThrough the brutish years.Now you primly say you're justified, And sing of a nation's glory,But I think of a people crucified--The real Australian story. --- --Original Message-From: Ian Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 1:42 AMSubject: Re: [recoznet2] A Sad Duty Thanks a lot Tim. Ian Henderson.
Re: [recoznet2] A Sad Duty
Thanks a lot Tim. Ian Henderson. - Original Message - From: tdunlop To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 March 2000 7:20 Subject: Re: [recoznet2] A Sad Duty All the best Jim. I've included one of my favourite Jack Davis poems, one of his most powerful, I think, as an act of remembrance. Tim Jack Davis Aboriginal Australia to the others You once smiled a friendly smile,Said we were kin to one another,Thus with guile for a short whileBecame to me a brother.Then you swamped my way of gladness, Took my children from my side,Snapped shut the lawbook, oh my sadness At Yirrkala's plea denied.So, I remember Lake George hills,The thin stick bones of people.Sudden death, and greed that kills,That gave you church and steeple.I cry again for Worrarra men,Gone from kith and kind,And I wondered when I would find a pen To probe your freckled mind.I mourned again for the Murray Tribe, Gone too without a trace,I thought of the soldiers' diatribe,The smile on the Governor's face.You murdered me with rope, with gun, The massacre my enclave,You buried me deep on McLarty's run Flung into a common grave.You propped me up with Christ, red tape, Tobacco, grog and fears,Then disease and lordly rapeThrough the brutish years.Now you primly say you're justified, And sing of a nation's glow,But I think of a people crucified--The real Australian story. >Well people,>>I'm off to the funeral of Jack Davis tomorrow,Friday, at 10:30am at Karrakatta >Cemetery in Perth.>>Poet, Playwright, Humanist, Activist.>>RIP>|\/\/\/|* Jim Duffield* GMT+08 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]>| o o| >C _) "[Colonialism] creates a culture in which the ruled >| ,| are constantly tempted to fight their rulers within>| / the psychological limits set by the latter." >| | > Ashis Nandy>>http://www.multiline.com.au/~anzac/***>* 12 Hurrey Place BEECHBORO WA 6063 AUSTRALIA *>* Ph: 61 8 9377-7871 Fax:61 8 9378-7472 *>**>-->RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/>To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body>of the message, include the words: unsubscribe announce or click here>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce>This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the>copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair>use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without>permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use.">>RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] deaths in custody
An interesting site containing legal cases concerning Aboriginal people Look at R v Lowe. http://www.law.mq.edu.au/scnsw/Cases1827-28/html/subject_index_1824-18 28_a-k.htm Peter Tremain Winan-Gidyal Aboriginal Education Centre, Charles Sturt University, Murray. Ph 0260 516706 Fax 0260 516865 Fax 060 516865 -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] Fewer Aborigines face jail, Ruddock tells UN
The only other minister who can look so benign while lying so outrageously is Robert Hill. I think Howard's choice of Ruddock as the man responsible for reconciliation illustrates very clearly what Howard's real position on reconciliation is. Trudy The Sydney Morning Herald Fewer Aborigines face jail, Ruddock tells UN Date: 24/03/00 By SIMON MANN, Herald Correspondent in Geneva The Immigration Minister, Mr Ruddock, was not convinced by the United Nations that mandatory sentencing would increase the jailing of indigenous Australians. He said Aborigines were less represented in property offences than some other sectors of the community and the burden of proof in cases that carried a mandatory jail sentence would be greater than in other criminal proceedings. "It is not unreasonable to assume that mandatory sentencing will probably lead to Aboriginals being less represented in incarceration than they would have otherwise been," he said. But in Canberra yesterday, the Attorney-General, Mr Williams, contradicted Mr Ruddock. Asked whether mandatory sentencing hurt Aborigines in particular, Mr Williams said: "Well the fact is - and it's widely documented - that the indigenous people are overrepresented proportionately in the criminal justice system, and on that basis the impact on them is proportionately greater." Facing a second day of grilling by the Geneva-based Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, Mr Ruddock said Australia's Federal system made it difficult for Canberra to trample the States over mandatory sentencing. "I'm not offering to defend it because my Prime Minister has said he personally does not favour mandatory sentencing." Committee members have been questioning Mr Ruddock and senior Australian officials on a range of indigenous issues including native title amendments, the "stolen generation" and inequalities in housing, education and health. The 18-member committee has combined an "urgent" investigation of Australia with the presentation of the Federal Government's routine two-yearly report on efforts to combat racial discrimination. Last year, the committee put Australia "on notice" because of concerns that Canberra was breaching its international treaty obligations on human rights. This meant that Australia was the first Western signatory to the convention to be called before the committee to explain itself. The blemish has bracketed Australia with countries such as Algeria, Bosnia, Rwanda and Yugoslavia. Mr Ruddock declined an invitation from one of the committee members, Egypt's Mr Mahmoud Aboul-Nasr, to apologise for past injustices to Aborigines. Instead, he outlined measures taken by the Government to acknowledge the "hurt and trauma" of past practices. Later, Mrs Gay McDougall, the Washington-based human rights lawyer who monitors Australia on behalf of the committee, took issue with Mr Ruddock on the difficulties facing legislators in a federalist system. "The issue of States' rights has been a perpetual issue in my country," she told him. "It's one we fought a bloody civil war over ... over whether States were free to engage in the abhorrent practice of slavery." Mr Ruddock interjected: "I think I would have fought for that, too." Mrs McDougall replied: "Yes, I would hope that you would have been on the same side as me." This material is subject to copyright and any unauthorised use, copying or mirroring is prohibited. -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] A Sad Duty
Prayers go on the smoke from here. With respect - Neshoba
Re: [recoznet2] A Sad Duty
All the best Jim. I've included one of my favourite Jack Davis poems, one of his most powerful, I think, as an act of remembrance. Tim Jack Davis Aboriginal Australia to the others You once smiled a friendly smile,Said we were kin to one another,Thus with guile for a short whileBecame to me a brother.Then you swamped my way of gladness, Took my children from my side,Snapped shut the lawbook, oh my sadness At Yirrkala's plea denied.So, I remember Lake George hills,The thin stick bones of people.Sudden death, and greed that kills,That gave you church and steeple.I cry again for Worrarra men,Gone from kith and kind,And I wondered when I would find a pen To probe your freckled mind.I mourned again for the Murray Tribe, Gone too without a trace,I thought of the soldiers' diatribe,The smile on the Governor's face.You murdered me with rope, with gun, The massacre my enclave,You buried me deep on McLarty's run Flung into a common grave.You propped me up with Christ, red tape, Tobacco, grog and fears,Then disease and lordly rapeThrough the brutish years.Now you primly say you're justified, And sing of a nation's glow,But I think of a people crucified--The real Australian story. >Well people,>>I'm off to the funeral of Jack Davis tomorrow,Friday, at 10:30am at Karrakatta >Cemetery in Perth.>>Poet, Playwright, Humanist, Activist.>>RIP>|\/\/\/|* Jim Duffield* GMT+08 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]>| o o| >C _) "[Colonialism] creates a culture in which the ruled >| ,| are constantly tempted to fight their rulers within>| / the psychological limits set by the latter." >| | > Ashis Nandy>>http://www.multiline.com.au/~anzac/***>* 12 Hurrey Place BEECHBORO WA 6063 AUSTRALIA *>* Ph: 61 8 9377-7871 Fax:61 8 9378-7472 *>**>-->RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/>To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body>of the message, include the words: unsubscribe announce or click here>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce>This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the>copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair>use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without>permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use.">>RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] A Sad Duty
Well people, I'm off to the funeral of Jack Davis tomorrow,Friday, at 10:30am at Karrakatta Cemetery in Perth. Poet, Playwright, Humanist, Activist. RIP |\/\/\/|* Jim Duffield* GMT+08 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] | o o| C _) "[Colonialism] creates a culture in which the ruled | ,| are constantly tempted to fight their rulers within | / the psychological limits set by the latter." | | Ashis Nandy http://www.multiline.com.au/~anzac/*** *12 Hurrey Place BEECHBORO WA 6063 AUSTRALIA * * Ph: 61 8 9377-7871 Fax:61 8 9378-7472 * ** -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] mandatory sentencing
Darlene, Would you please send me your email addie? I will add you to "fairgo", the mandatory sentencing listgroup. Neshoba -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks
Thanks David, Trudy does a good job and I get a little 'hot under the collar' when I see that sort of thing. Don Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association PO Box K555 Haymarket NSW 1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice - Original Message - From: David Hollinsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2000 7:41 P.M. Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks > Don > > Very clear and wise comments > Thanks. David hollinsworth > > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] mandatory sentencing
Dear Trudy, Please put me on the mailing list for material on mandatory sentencing and on cultural interaction and exchange between aboriginal nations pre and post invasion for the next two months. Thank you. Darlene McGrath. -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] Re: AAP: Queen, Duke arrive in Victoria
Trudy, a lot of I.P.C. members think that you are Doing a great Job! I.P.C. -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks
Don Very clear and wise comments Thanks. David hollinsworth -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
