Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only (WHOOPS)

2000-03-19 Thread Sandy Sanders

I heartily agree with Rod on this.  Laurie has proved his (I'm 
punting, too, here) credentials over and over on this list.  At the 
very least, as we're moving on past Karen Crooke, let's not allow  
her to claim any scalps.  

And any reading of Laurie's postings would see that, although 
they're justifiably passionate,  he doesn't engage in intemperate 
"attacks".  The whole idea of "attacks" is pretty subjective, 
anyhow, and unless there is actual invective involved, I think we 
should be a little more tolerant of our own (and perhaps a little less 
tolerant of the genuine baddies?)

Anyhow, thanks, Rod, for a recap of Laurie's greatest hits.

Sandy
   I wrote:
   Whatever the case, lets just get on with everyone!
 
 
 Whoops!  This is NOT what I meant to say! Getting on with everyone is 
 NOT a good idea. It breeds a foolish and useless complacency about 
 issues that really matter!  What I meant to say was "let's just get 
 on with it (i.e the issues of real consequence), everyone!
 
 I for one, will miss greatly Laurie Ford's contributions. Laurie has 
 been around since long before "recoznet2" came into existence! From 
 the days when Bruce Reyburn first started these very valuable lists 
 in fact.
 
 I don't have easy access to his/her (I've never been sure which) 
 early posts but remember:
 
 At 09:40 AM +1000 14/7/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
 This highights the fact that there is no 'System" to be destroyed---rather
 there are greedy, uncaring individuals whose attitudes must be challenged
 and overcome, if any real measure of equality and justice is ever to be
 established.
 
 It is important to always refer to these societal transgressors by name if
 they are to be properly engaged---it is not enough to be forever just
 ''Struggling against the System."
 
 Laurie
 
 and
 
 At 08:47 AM +1000 20/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
 
 This is a big step in the right directionWell done Rod Welford and the
 Beattie Government.
 
 Interestingly, there has not been a word of this successful tranfer of
 Ownership in the Courier Mail.
 
 Maybe the powers that be do not want Queenslanders to see how easily
 Indigenous Ownership of Land can be restored when a genuine approach is
 taken---they might begin ignoring the clarion racist calls of the Coalition
 whenever Native Title is mentioned.
 
 Laurie
 
 --
 
 Somehow seems pertinent given the current nonsense!
 
 And who could forget the wonderful quote from another message:
 
 At 08:47 AM +1000 12/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
 
 " Words are the weapons- the armory of the dispossessed"---from the ABC
 programme "The Irish Empire".
 
 
 My own view is that Laurie should be invited back on board, whatever 
 his/her indiscretions in the heat of the moment! We desperately need 
 people like Laurie around this place!
 
 
 Cheers
 
 Rod

~~~
Sandy Sanders
Wormhole Books
27A Main Street
Upwey   VIC  3158
ph/fax  61 (03) 9754 5440
www.wormhole.com.au

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Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only (WHOOPS)

2000-03-19 Thread Peter Tremain

Has anybody counted how much mail has been generated through this 
fool or responses to his/her posts?I can't afford the time to follow 
this crap. She/he is achieving exactly what he/she is trying to do. I 
think I smell a gundji. Discussion has been centred on reasoning with 
the unreasonable. I refuse to open any thing with him/her name on it 
or dealing with topics raised by her/him

Track him/her down and transport him/her to  Antartica to monitor the 
habits of penguines where everything is nicely black and white. 

 From:  "Sandy Sanders" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:  Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:41:41 +1100
 Subject:   Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only (WHOOPS)
 Reply-to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I heartily agree with Rod on this.  Laurie has proved his (I'm 
 punting, too, here) credentials over and over on this list.  At the 
 very least, as we're moving on past Karen Crooke, let's not allow  
 her to claim any scalps.  
 
 And any reading of Laurie's postings would see that, although 
 they're justifiably passionate,  he doesn't engage in intemperate 
 "attacks".  The whole idea of "attacks" is pretty subjective, 
 anyhow, and unless there is actual invective involved, I think we 
 should be a little more tolerant of our own (and perhaps a little less 
 tolerant of the genuine baddies?)
 
 Anyhow, thanks, Rod, for a recap of Laurie's greatest hits.
 
 Sandy
I wrote:
Whatever the case, lets just get on with everyone!
  
  
  Whoops!  This is NOT what I meant to say! Getting on with everyone is 
  NOT a good idea. It breeds a foolish and useless complacency about 
  issues that really matter!  What I meant to say was "let's just get 
  on with it (i.e the issues of real consequence), everyone!
  
  I for one, will miss greatly Laurie Ford's contributions. Laurie has 
  been around since long before "recoznet2" came into existence! From 
  the days when Bruce Reyburn first started these very valuable lists 
  in fact.
  
  I don't have easy access to his/her (I've never been sure which) 
  early posts but remember:
  
  At 09:40 AM +1000 14/7/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
  This highights the fact that there is no 'System" to be destroyed---rather
  there are greedy, uncaring individuals whose attitudes must be challenged
  and overcome, if any real measure of equality and justice is ever to be
  established.
  
  It is important to always refer to these societal transgressors by name if
  they are to be properly engaged---it is not enough to be forever just
  ''Struggling against the System."
  
  Laurie
  
  and
  
  At 08:47 AM +1000 20/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
  
  This is a big step in the right directionWell done Rod Welford and the
  Beattie Government.
  
  Interestingly, there has not been a word of this successful tranfer of
  Ownership in the Courier Mail.
  
  Maybe the powers that be do not want Queenslanders to see how easily
  Indigenous Ownership of Land can be restored when a genuine approach is
  taken---they might begin ignoring the clarion racist calls of the Coalition
  whenever Native Title is mentioned.
  
  Laurie
  
  --
  
  Somehow seems pertinent given the current nonsense!
  
  And who could forget the wonderful quote from another message:
  
  At 08:47 AM +1000 12/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
  
  " Words are the weapons- the armory of the dispossessed"---from the ABC
  programme "The Irish Empire".
  
  
  My own view is that Laurie should be invited back on board, whatever 
  his/her indiscretions in the heat of the moment! We desperately need 
  people like Laurie around this place!
  
  
  Cheers
  
  Rod
 
 ~~~
 Sandy Sanders
 Wormhole Books
 27A Main Street
 Upwey   VIC  3158
 ph/fax  61 (03) 9754 5440
 www.wormhole.com.au
 
 WORMHOLE BOOKS  science/fiction and beyond . . . .
 www.wormhole.com.au
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Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only (WHOOPS)

2000-03-19 Thread Andrea Velox

I have never had the occasion to speak to others on this list, but always 
read it with interest. Being an African American graduate student 
(Psychologist), and interested in Indigenous issues (including Aborigines), 
I find many items of interest in your conversations. This time I must agree 
with several of your posts that you have let an obvious instigator divert 
you from important resolution and conversation. I had NEVER received so 
much email from recoznet! I hope you invite Laurie back.
Good luck,
Taliba

At 01:21 PM 3/20/00 +1000, you wrote:
Has anybody counted how much mail has been generated through this
fool or responses to his/her posts?I can't afford the time to follow
this crap. She/he is achieving exactly what he/she is trying to do. I
think I smell a gundji. Discussion has been centred on reasoning with
the unreasonable. I refuse to open any thing with him/her name on it
or dealing with topics raised by her/him

Track him/her down and transport him/her to  Antartica to monitor the
habits of penguines where everything is nicely black and white.

  From:  "Sandy Sanders" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:  Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:41:41 +1100
  Subject:   Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only (WHOOPS)
  Reply-to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I heartily agree with Rod on this.  Laurie has proved his (I'm
  punting, too, here) credentials over and over on this list.  At the
  very least, as we're moving on past Karen Crooke, let's not allow
  her to claim any scalps.
 
  And any reading of Laurie's postings would see that, although
  they're justifiably passionate,  he doesn't engage in intemperate
  "attacks".  The whole idea of "attacks" is pretty subjective,
  anyhow, and unless there is actual invective involved, I think we
  should be a little more tolerant of our own (and perhaps a little less
  tolerant of the genuine baddies?)
 
  Anyhow, thanks, Rod, for a recap of Laurie's greatest hits.
 
  Sandy
 I wrote:
 Whatever the case, lets just get on with everyone!
  
  
   Whoops!  This is NOT what I meant to say! Getting on with everyone is
   NOT a good idea. It breeds a foolish and useless complacency about
   issues that really matter!  What I meant to say was "let's just get
   on with it (i.e the issues of real consequence), everyone!
  
   I for one, will miss greatly Laurie Ford's contributions. Laurie has
   been around since long before "recoznet2" came into existence! From
   the days when Bruce Reyburn first started these very valuable lists
   in fact.
  
   I don't have easy access to his/her (I've never been sure which)
   early posts but remember:
  
   At 09:40 AM +1000 14/7/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
   This highights the fact that there is no 'System" to be 
 destroyed---rather
   there are greedy, uncaring individuals whose attitudes must be 
 challenged
   and overcome, if any real measure of equality and justice is ever to be
   established.
   
   It is important to always refer to these societal transgressors by 
 name if
   they are to be properly engaged---it is not enough to be forever just
   ''Struggling against the System."
   
   Laurie
  
   and
  
   At 08:47 AM +1000 20/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
   
   This is a big step in the right directionWell done Rod Welford 
 and the
   Beattie Government.
   
   Interestingly, there has not been a word of this successful tranfer of
   Ownership in the Courier Mail.
   
   Maybe the powers that be do not want Queenslanders to see how easily
   Indigenous Ownership of Land can be restored when a genuine approach is
   taken---they might begin ignoring the clarion racist calls of the 
 Coalition
   whenever Native Title is mentioned.
   
   Laurie
   
   --
  
   Somehow seems pertinent given the current nonsense!
  
   And who could forget the wonderful quote from another message:
  
   At 08:47 AM +1000 12/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
   
   " Words are the weapons- the armory of the dispossessed"---from 
 the ABC
   programme "The Irish Empire".
  
  
   My own view is that Laurie should be invited back on board, whatever
   his/her indiscretions in the heat of the moment! We desperately need
   people like Laurie around this place!
  
  
   Cheers
  
   Rod
 
  ~~~
  Sandy Sanders
  Wormhole Books
  27A Main Street
  Upwey   VIC  3158
  ph/fax  61 (03) 9754 5440
  www.wormhole.com.au
 
  WORMHOLE BOOKS  science/fiction and beyond . . . .
  www.wormhole.com.au
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Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only (WHOOPS)

2000-03-18 Thread Rod Hagen
Title: Re: [recoznet2] For Your Eyes Only
(WHOOPS)


I wrote:
Whatever the case, lets just get
on with everyone!


Whoops! This is NOT what I meant to say! Getting on with
everyone is NOT a good idea. It breeds a foolish and useless
complacency about issues that really matter! What I meant to
say was let's just get on with it (i.e the issues of
real consequence), everyone!

I for one, will miss greatly Laurie Ford's contributions. Laurie
has been around since long before recoznet2 came into
existence! From the days when Bruce Reyburn first started these very
valuable lists in fact.

I don't have easy access to his/her (I've never been sure which)
early posts but remember:

At 09:40 AM +1000 14/7/99, Laurie Forde wrote:
This highights the fact that there is no
'System to be destroyed---rather
there are greedy, uncaring individuals whose attitudes must be
challenged
and overcome, if any real measure of equality and justice is ever to
be
established.

It is important to always refer to these societal transgressors by
name if
they are to be properly engaged---it is not enough to be forever
just
''Struggling against the System.

Laurie

and

At 08:47 AM +1000 20/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:

This is a big step in the right directionWell done Rod Welford
and the
Beattie Government.

Interestingly, there has not been a word of this successful tranfer
of
Ownership in the Courier Mail.

Maybe the powers that be do not want
Queenslanders to see how easily
Indigenous Ownership of Land can be restored when a genuine approach
is
taken---they might begin ignoring the clarion racist calls of the
Coalition
whenever Native Title is
mentioned.

Laurie

--

Somehow seems pertinent given the current nonsense!

And who could forget the wonderful quote from another
message:

At 08:47 AM +1000 12/8/99, Laurie Forde wrote:

 Words are the weapons- the armory of the
dispossessed---from the ABC
programme The Irish
Empire.


My own view is that Laurie should be invited back on board,
whatever his/her indiscretions in the heat of the moment! We
desperately need people like Laurie around this place!


Cheers

Rod

-- 
Rod Hagen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hurstbridge, Victoria, Australia
WWW http://www.netspace.net.au/~rodhagen