Re: RedDot Management Client
Hi Casey, Not sure there is a market for it. Most of the serious developers of RedDot are using one (free) wrapper or another to get away from RQL in the first place. It would seem to be a retrograde step to go back to the 'bad old days' of chopping RQL around. Just my 2p :-) John On Jan 13, 3:17 pm, Casey Williams caseyswilli...@gmail.com wrote: I respectfully disagree. The market is not developers, but administrators with limited development ability. A developer would likely just write a simple program to fulfill their needs themselves. Companies that don't have developers capable of something like this hire OpenText professional services at 200/hr to do things that this software could accomplish for significantly less. Though there may not be a benefit for the website end user, there is a benefit for the administrators and in an environment with more than a few content authors and/or a large number of pages this benefit is substantial. It is my experience that companies will spend money on tools that make life easier for their employees even more readily than they will on something that improves the experience of their end users. Companies like infragistics make money doing nothing but selling controls to make developer's lives easier. The developers aren't shelling out 1500 bucks for a silverlight graph control, but the company they work for will. I do appreciate your feedback, and it is not my intent to be argumentative, but I think exposure to open source communities has left you, like many developers, with the impression that software is not worth money. My interest was more in receiving questions/comments/ suggestions about the features of the software than the marketing of it. Feel free to check out the screenshot slideshow, and I will upload a video walkthrough shortly. Casey On Jan 12, 5:06 pm, markus giesen markus.gie...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt that anyone is going to pay for it, mostly because the audience you are looking at is basically developers which don't have a budget for it. The next thing is that there is no benefit for the website end-user, thus no one will invest in something they don't see a monetary value in. Don't get me wrong, your solutions sounds great and I'd love to see and test it but judging by my experience with thehttp://reddotcmsblog.com it's a lot taking, little giving. All work on the blog is free, there is a donation button I've tried in the past, it has been used once. I suggest to publish it, get your name out, earn kudos and get lots of good karma. You will get more in return that way by getting your reputation up. Other than that, I doubt that anyone will pay for it, although I understand where you're coming from. - Markus On Jan 13, 6:59 am, emily stange esta...@gmail.com wrote: Casey, That sounds like an interesting extension. I just wanted to let you know that Solution Exchange (SolEx) is for free and not free solutions. Whether or not you get positive feedback here in the group, SolEx can be a place where you can market your solution in a centralized location where people go to look for them. Instead of providing download instructions, you can provide your contact information for prospective buyers to Find Out More (for examplehttp://www.solutionexchange.info/Enthink-Taxonomy-Manager.htm). -Emily On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Casey Williams caseyswilli...@gmail.comwrote: So, in working with RedDot 10.1 for the last 4 months or so I have found that there are some things that I would like it to do that it just doesn't (like releasing pages that other users have saved as draft for example), or doesn't do well. I discovered the wonders of RQL and started writing a simple .net application that would perform various functions that I found I commonly wanted, and just kept adding more buttons every time I wanted to do something new. Then I decided to make it a little more extensible. I added a clipboard that functions much like the one in Management Server, an RQL console window, an RQL log window, and a navigation structure window complete with drag and drop. I gave myself the ability to save RQL commands, and the console the ability to replace placeholders (of the form [!lguid_login!]) with data from the clipboard such that I could just copy and paste RQL from the documentation and it would work automagically. Allowing myself to create new buttons from within the program followed naturally. Before I knew it, I had not used the web interface at all in weeks. So, I was thinking to myself that other users might want this functionality as well. Given the large amount of work I've put into this it doesn't seem like something I should give away on solutions exchange or whatever, but before I started trying to sell it I thought I'd ask you guys if it sounds
Re: RedDot Management Client
I respectfully disagree. The market is not developers, but administrators with limited development ability. A developer would likely just write a simple program to fulfill their needs themselves. Companies that don't have developers capable of something like this hire OpenText professional services at 200/hr to do things that this software could accomplish for significantly less. Though there may not be a benefit for the website end user, there is a benefit for the administrators and in an environment with more than a few content authors and/or a large number of pages this benefit is substantial. It is my experience that companies will spend money on tools that make life easier for their employees even more readily than they will on something that improves the experience of their end users. Companies like infragistics make money doing nothing but selling controls to make developer's lives easier. The developers aren't shelling out 1500 bucks for a silverlight graph control, but the company they work for will. I do appreciate your feedback, and it is not my intent to be argumentative, but I think exposure to open source communities has left you, like many developers, with the impression that software is not worth money. My interest was more in receiving questions/comments/ suggestions about the features of the software than the marketing of it. Feel free to check out the screenshot slideshow, and I will upload a video walkthrough shortly. Casey On Jan 12, 5:06 pm, markus giesen markus.gie...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt that anyone is going to pay for it, mostly because the audience you are looking at is basically developers which don't have a budget for it. The next thing is that there is no benefit for the website end-user, thus no one will invest in something they don't see a monetary value in. Don't get me wrong, your solutions sounds great and I'd love to see and test it but judging by my experience with thehttp://reddotcmsblog.com it's a lot taking, little giving. All work on the blog is free, there is a donation button I've tried in the past, it has been used once. I suggest to publish it, get your name out, earn kudos and get lots of good karma. You will get more in return that way by getting your reputation up. Other than that, I doubt that anyone will pay for it, although I understand where you're coming from. - Markus On Jan 13, 6:59 am, emily stange esta...@gmail.com wrote: Casey, That sounds like an interesting extension. I just wanted to let you know that Solution Exchange (SolEx) is for free and not free solutions. Whether or not you get positive feedback here in the group, SolEx can be a place where you can market your solution in a centralized location where people go to look for them. Instead of providing download instructions, you can provide your contact information for prospective buyers to Find Out More (for examplehttp://www.solutionexchange.info/Enthink-Taxonomy-Manager.htm). -Emily On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Casey Williams caseyswilli...@gmail.comwrote: So, in working with RedDot 10.1 for the last 4 months or so I have found that there are some things that I would like it to do that it just doesn't (like releasing pages that other users have saved as draft for example), or doesn't do well. I discovered the wonders of RQL and started writing a simple .net application that would perform various functions that I found I commonly wanted, and just kept adding more buttons every time I wanted to do something new. Then I decided to make it a little more extensible. I added a clipboard that functions much like the one in Management Server, an RQL console window, an RQL log window, and a navigation structure window complete with drag and drop. I gave myself the ability to save RQL commands, and the console the ability to replace placeholders (of the form [!lguid_login!]) with data from the clipboard such that I could just copy and paste RQL from the documentation and it would work automagically. Allowing myself to create new buttons from within the program followed naturally. Before I knew it, I had not used the web interface at all in weeks. So, I was thinking to myself that other users might want this functionality as well. Given the large amount of work I've put into this it doesn't seem like something I should give away on solutions exchange or whatever, but before I started trying to sell it I thought I'd ask you guys if it sounds like something you would find useful. I can post screenshots and/or video walkthroughs if this idea intrigues anyone. Let me know! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-users@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
RedDot Management Client
So, in working with RedDot 10.1 for the last 4 months or so I have found that there are some things that I would like it to do that it just doesn't (like releasing pages that other users have saved as draft for example), or doesn't do well. I discovered the wonders of RQL and started writing a simple .net application that would perform various functions that I found I commonly wanted, and just kept adding more buttons every time I wanted to do something new. Then I decided to make it a little more extensible. I added a clipboard that functions much like the one in Management Server, an RQL console window, an RQL log window, and a navigation structure window complete with drag and drop. I gave myself the ability to save RQL commands, and the console the ability to replace placeholders (of the form [!lguid_login!]) with data from the clipboard such that I could just copy and paste RQL from the documentation and it would work automagically. Allowing myself to create new buttons from within the program followed naturally. Before I knew it, I had not used the web interface at all in weeks. So, I was thinking to myself that other users might want this functionality as well. Given the large amount of work I've put into this it doesn't seem like something I should give away on solutions exchange or whatever, but before I started trying to sell it I thought I'd ask you guys if it sounds like something you would find useful. I can post screenshots and/or video walkthroughs if this idea intrigues anyone. Let me know! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en.
Re: RedDot Management Client
Casey, That sounds like an interesting extension. I just wanted to let you know that Solution Exchange (SolEx) is for free and not free solutions. Whether or not you get positive feedback here in the group, SolEx can be a place where you can market your solution in a centralized location where people go to look for them. Instead of providing download instructions, you can provide your contact information for prospective buyers to Find Out More (for example http://www.solutionexchange.info/Enthink-Taxonomy-Manager.htm). -Emily On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Casey Williams caseyswilli...@gmail.comwrote: So, in working with RedDot 10.1 for the last 4 months or so I have found that there are some things that I would like it to do that it just doesn't (like releasing pages that other users have saved as draft for example), or doesn't do well. I discovered the wonders of RQL and started writing a simple .net application that would perform various functions that I found I commonly wanted, and just kept adding more buttons every time I wanted to do something new. Then I decided to make it a little more extensible. I added a clipboard that functions much like the one in Management Server, an RQL console window, an RQL log window, and a navigation structure window complete with drag and drop. I gave myself the ability to save RQL commands, and the console the ability to replace placeholders (of the form [!lguid_login!]) with data from the clipboard such that I could just copy and paste RQL from the documentation and it would work automagically. Allowing myself to create new buttons from within the program followed naturally. Before I knew it, I had not used the web interface at all in weeks. So, I was thinking to myself that other users might want this functionality as well. Given the large amount of work I've put into this it doesn't seem like something I should give away on solutions exchange or whatever, but before I started trying to sell it I thought I'd ask you guys if it sounds like something you would find useful. I can post screenshots and/or video walkthroughs if this idea intrigues anyone. Let me know! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comreddot-cms-users%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en.
Re: RedDot Management Client
Thanks Emily! Here are a few screenshots to give you guys a little better idea what I was talking about. http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac356/ghgknives/RedDot%20Management/?albumview=slideshow Casey On Jan 12, 2:59 pm, emily stange esta...@gmail.com wrote: Casey, That sounds like an interesting extension. I just wanted to let you know that Solution Exchange (SolEx) is for free and not free solutions. Whether or not you get positive feedback here in the group, SolEx can be a place where you can market your solution in a centralized location where people go to look for them. Instead of providing download instructions, you can provide your contact information for prospective buyers to Find Out More (for examplehttp://www.solutionexchange.info/Enthink-Taxonomy-Manager.htm). -Emily On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Casey Williams caseyswilli...@gmail.comwrote: So, in working with RedDot 10.1 for the last 4 months or so I have found that there are some things that I would like it to do that it just doesn't (like releasing pages that other users have saved as draft for example), or doesn't do well. I discovered the wonders of RQL and started writing a simple .net application that would perform various functions that I found I commonly wanted, and just kept adding more buttons every time I wanted to do something new. Then I decided to make it a little more extensible. I added a clipboard that functions much like the one in Management Server, an RQL console window, an RQL log window, and a navigation structure window complete with drag and drop. I gave myself the ability to save RQL commands, and the console the ability to replace placeholders (of the form [!lguid_login!]) with data from the clipboard such that I could just copy and paste RQL from the documentation and it would work automagically. Allowing myself to create new buttons from within the program followed naturally. Before I knew it, I had not used the web interface at all in weeks. So, I was thinking to myself that other users might want this functionality as well. Given the large amount of work I've put into this it doesn't seem like something I should give away on solutions exchange or whatever, but before I started trying to sell it I thought I'd ask you guys if it sounds like something you would find useful. I can post screenshots and/or video walkthroughs if this idea intrigues anyone. Let me know! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comreddot-cms-users%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en.
Re: RedDot Management Client
I doubt that anyone is going to pay for it, mostly because the audience you are looking at is basically developers which don't have a budget for it. The next thing is that there is no benefit for the website end-user, thus no one will invest in something they don't see a monetary value in. Don't get me wrong, your solutions sounds great and I'd love to see and test it but judging by my experience with the http://reddotcmsblog.com it's a lot taking, little giving. All work on the blog is free, there is a donation button I've tried in the past, it has been used once. I suggest to publish it, get your name out, earn kudos and get lots of good karma. You will get more in return that way by getting your reputation up. Other than that, I doubt that anyone will pay for it, although I understand where you're coming from. - Markus On Jan 13, 6:59 am, emily stange esta...@gmail.com wrote: Casey, That sounds like an interesting extension. I just wanted to let you know that Solution Exchange (SolEx) is for free and not free solutions. Whether or not you get positive feedback here in the group, SolEx can be a place where you can market your solution in a centralized location where people go to look for them. Instead of providing download instructions, you can provide your contact information for prospective buyers to Find Out More (for examplehttp://www.solutionexchange.info/Enthink-Taxonomy-Manager.htm). -Emily On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Casey Williams caseyswilli...@gmail.comwrote: So, in working with RedDot 10.1 for the last 4 months or so I have found that there are some things that I would like it to do that it just doesn't (like releasing pages that other users have saved as draft for example), or doesn't do well. I discovered the wonders of RQL and started writing a simple .net application that would perform various functions that I found I commonly wanted, and just kept adding more buttons every time I wanted to do something new. Then I decided to make it a little more extensible. I added a clipboard that functions much like the one in Management Server, an RQL console window, an RQL log window, and a navigation structure window complete with drag and drop. I gave myself the ability to save RQL commands, and the console the ability to replace placeholders (of the form [!lguid_login!]) with data from the clipboard such that I could just copy and paste RQL from the documentation and it would work automagically. Allowing myself to create new buttons from within the program followed naturally. Before I knew it, I had not used the web interface at all in weeks. So, I was thinking to myself that other users might want this functionality as well. Given the large amount of work I've put into this it doesn't seem like something I should give away on solutions exchange or whatever, but before I started trying to sell it I thought I'd ask you guys if it sounds like something you would find useful. I can post screenshots and/or video walkthroughs if this idea intrigues anyone. Let me know! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comreddot-cms-users%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RedDot CMS Users group. To post to this group, send email to reddot-cms-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to reddot-cms-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/reddot-cms-users?hl=en.
