upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
All,

I just upgraded my ssh using the 3.7.1 source tarball (I couldn't find an
rpm for it).
Now when I try to login I get a connection refused.

As I am unable to get a connection to the machine, I am not able to provide
much debugging information. Can anybody give me any pointers as to what to
look for to sort out the problem? I do have a go between who has access to
the console.
the machine in question uses an iptables firewall, but prior to the upgrade
the system worked fine letting connections to port22 through.

Regards

Marty


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Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
There is an exploit for all versions lower than 3.7.1. Allowing root access.
It seems to have hit the public domain yesterday.
http://www.linuxsecurity.com/advisories/redhat_advisory-3628.html

(this one seems to say 3.1 is ok, but When I first started hunting another
site I came across (which I now can't find gr) was suggesting that 3.7.1
should be the version to install, which I did.

Regards

Marty


- Original Message - 
From: Sean Estabrooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused


 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:45:23 +0100
 Martin Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I just upgraded my ssh using the 3.7.1 source tarball (I couldn't find
an
  rpm for it).  Now when I try to login I get a connection refused.

  As I am unable to get a connection to the machine, I am not able to
provide
  much debugging information. Can anybody give me any pointers as to what
to
  look for to sort out the problem? I do have a go between who has access
to
  the console.
  the machine in question uses an iptables firewall, but prior to the
upgrade
  the system worked fine letting connections to port22 through.

 Martin,

 I'd suggest reinstalling the 3.1 version from rpm, at least until you can
 sort  problem out in a computer that is closer to you.   Trying to
 debug through a remote third party with help from the list is going to
 be difficult.

 What problem were you trying to solve by upgrading to 3.7 in the first
 place?  Perhaps, upgrading to the current rawhide rpm package (3.6)
 would be easier and still provide what you need.

 Good Luck,
 Sean


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Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
aha here's the link

http://www.openssh.com/txt/buffer.adv


Marty
- Original Message - 
From: Sean Estabrooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused


 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:45:23 +0100
 Martin Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I just upgraded my ssh using the 3.7.1 source tarball (I couldn't find
an
  rpm for it).  Now when I try to login I get a connection refused.

  As I am unable to get a connection to the machine, I am not able to
provide
  much debugging information. Can anybody give me any pointers as to what
to
  look for to sort out the problem? I do have a go between who has access
to
  the console.
  the machine in question uses an iptables firewall, but prior to the
upgrade
  the system worked fine letting connections to port22 through.

 Martin,

 I'd suggest reinstalling the 3.1 version from rpm, at least until you can
 sort  problem out in a computer that is closer to you.   Trying to
 debug through a remote third party with help from the list is going to
 be difficult.

 What problem were you trying to solve by upgrading to 3.7 in the first
 place?  Perhaps, upgrading to the current rawhide rpm package (3.6)
 would be easier and still provide what you need.

 Good Luck,
 Sean


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Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
I can believe that:-)

I just couldn't find the rpm.

Any ideas where it would be?

Marty
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From: Hal Burgiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused


 On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:25:06PM +0100, Martin Moss wrote:
  aha here's the link
 
  http://www.openssh.com/txt/buffer.adv

 RH often backports patches. Life is simpler if you stay with their
 packages.

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Re: KVM Switch recommendation

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
I have exactly the same keyboard/mouse problems with Belkin switches!

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: KVM Switch recommendation


 I would recommend AGAINST using any Belkin KVMs.  We've had nothing but
 problems with them.  If you have a Windoze box and a Linux box with the
 GUI running on the same KVM, when you switch from the Windoze box to the
 Linux box it messes your mouse up.  The mouse will start randomly moving
 all over the screen and clicking everywhere opening windows.  When this
 happens, you have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to kill the GUI and then restart
 it.  On the rack mounted server KVMs we have, if you don't start certain
 Compaq ProLiant servers with the focus on that machine in the KVM, it
 won't detect the keyboard and mouse when it boots.  This is with both
 Linux and Windows.
 
 I would go with APC KVMs if its for a server rack, although they are a
 little expensive.  We're still looking for a good desktop KVM.
 
 Chris Purcell, RHCE
 
  I can recommend the Belkin Omni Cube. I have been using that for a
  couple of years with not problems. I am also using a wireless optical
  mouse with no issues.
 
 
  On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 01:00, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote:
  At 09:03 9/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
 
Does anyone has recommendation for KVM switch? I plan to use it to
  run
   Linux
(Redhat 7.3) and Win2K with PS2 keyboard  mouse. The cheaper the
   better, but
trying to find the one with very minimal / no video degradation at
 
   1400x1050,
as my linux runs on that resolution on 19 inc monitor.
  
  I've been using cybex (now avocent: http://www.avocent.com) for many
  years without a single problem.
 
  I can also recommend these. When I was researching mine, this was what
  most  people recommended as being a good value and high quality, and
  my 4-port  KVM has been fantastic with no problems. I did, however,
  get my KVM cables  from Newegg to save some dough and those have
  worked well too. I have not  used above 1280x1024, but in theory you
  should have no problems at all.
 
 
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openssh 3.7.1 - reinstall

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
All,

As previously posted, I've got a bit of a mess on my hands for the openssh
on my redhat system.

I had 2.9 rpm on there, then I installed the 3.7.1 source. This didn't seem
to work as it gives me connection refused.

To upgrade successfully, I need to use the 3.7.1 rpm. I cannot login to
updates.redhat.com to get the patches/rpms that were mentioned on previous
posts.
I presume that I need to get an account from somewhere? Is this an up2date
account?

What steps must I take to remove the old code, remove the source
installation and then install the new rpm?

Marty


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Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
Guess I'll wait before I bother upgrading, currently nobody can get onto my
machine anyway :-/

Marty
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused


 Now here is the kicker:

 http://www.openpkg.org/security/OpenPKG-SA-2003.040-openssh.html

 If you read through it, they mention this:

 The discovery of additional similar errors by Solar Designer show that
version 3.7.1 is affected, too. Those errors may allow remote attackers to
execute arbitrary code by causing an incorrect amount of memory to be
cleared and corrupting the heap on fatal cleanups.

 So, look like a long week of patches. :-(

 --Keith



 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, MKlinke wrote:

 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:01:23 -0500
 From: MKlinke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection
refused

 On Wednesday 17 September 2003 10:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks,
 
  But the one that I was referring to, what the openssh that was
  released this morrning,
  http://www.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-announce/2003-September
 /64.html
 
  Wed Sep 17 01:13:10 EST 2003
 
  This new version came out after they released a patch.  It may not be
  as critical as the previous bug fix, but still needs to be installed.
 
  The one that was released yesterday was openssh-3.7p1.tar.gz, the one
  released this morrning was openssh-3.7.1p1.tar.gz.
 
  Just waiting on an rpm to patch more servers.
 
  Thanks,
 
  --Keith

 Ah, thanks for the link, I hadn't caught up on my Bugtraq reading this
 morning.  I guess we can expect a new Red Hat release soon 

 Regards,  Mike Klinke


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Re: upgraded ssh from 3.1 to 3.7.1 - now getting connection refused

2003-09-17 Thread Martin Moss
You might have to delete the SSH client key and let it generate a new
one.

Where would I find this, and do you mean the client key on the sourcing ssh
or the destination ssh server which is refusing the connection?

Marty





On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:06, Hal Burgiss wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:35:48PM +0100, Martin Moss wrote:
  I can believe that:-)
 
  I just couldn't find the rpm.
 
  Any ideas where it would be?

 RHN or ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.2/en/os//i386/openssh-3.1p1-10*

 That's obviously 7.2 updates (out yesterday or day before).

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Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Martin Moss
Security MS = bad, linux=good,
Access is not a Database Server, unlike SQL Server, mysql is.
All software you could want to use on linux is free, as is Linux, unless you
wish to purchase a set of CD's. MS is not.
Apache Vs IIS, no competition.

Marty




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From: Jason Tesser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Redhat List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: Should we stay with M$


I know this is only kind of related to this list but I think some of you
guys would be able to help me here.  I work at a College
which prior to me coming here 1.5 years ago had only one programmer.  He has
been here 7 years and is in my opinion
not much other than a M$ Office guru.  I am not the best either as most of
my applications and programs I write are web based.
I'm pretty good with php, mysql, other web languages and now I am really
trying to get involved with Python, which I love :-)
I also would like to convert myself to Linux.  Currently I still have a few
programs that I cannot get for Linux or even something
comparable.

Anyways, my question is could someone send me info links or anything like
that that could aid me in explaining why Access
programming, if that is what you call it, and staying dependant to M$ for
that matter, would not be a good thing to persue for our future.  We are
having a tech meeting soon
where we will be discusing our future direction and I want to go into that
meeting with information and examples.  Thank you
for any help, links, or information you could feed me.

Jason Tesser
Web/Multimedia Programmer
Northland Baptist Bible College
(715)324-6900 ext. 3055



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Re: Should we stay with M$

2003-09-11 Thread Martin Moss
Easy Tiger:-)
I know you're not trying to be patronising, its cool, however I do have some
counter points though:-


 Stop.  Your response is nothing but pure fanboyism.  This type of
 advocacy is ignorant and does nothing to advance OSS in the industry.
 Allow me to retort:

  Security MS = bad, linux=good

I couldn't agree more, it IS pure fanboyism born of experience having to
compare and contrast the two. And generally watch everything fall over on
Windows, and not on Linux. You can rave on all you want about how Windows is
secure if you set it up properly, but from the description Jason said of his
team, it sounded like they didn't possess the expertise to spend hours
turning off all the 'insecure' settings windows turns on as default.
And that alone makes linux far better in My humble opinion, because you
build it watertight to begin with and then gradually open up the services
you want.
I decided not to go into that much depth because I don't have time to do
Jason's work for him, and I guess that whoever he is meeting with will
probably not understand half the concepts we're talking about anyway.


 Any OS is only as secure as its Systems Administrator.  I'm not going to
 start my typical rant here, I already ran through this with Didier weeks
 ago.  Yes, MS has a terrible history track.  So do other OS's.
 There are a number of points to consider:  Exploit creators generally
focus on
 Microsoft because it's the most prevalent (and worst administered) OS;
 Red Hat generally has just as many patches released as Windows (if not
 more), BUT... ;  Red Hat also distributes much more software (3rd party)
 with their system than Windows... it would be impossible for them to
 audit all of it;  etc, etc.

MS has a poor track record, has done since People started 'targetting'
microsoft years ago. We're not interested in 'other' OS's we're interested
in linux. And I'm not aware of it having had a poor track record for a long
time. Perhaps you should be reminded that hacking is no fun if you can't do
anything, so the reason MS is 'exploited' more frequently is not because
people hate MS so much it's because MS is so easy to exploit, it's far more
fun. (However this is MY Opinion, as I'm far too busy to actually try
hacking anything myself!)

Perhaps a fair comparison is a Poor SA on MS against a poor SA on linux. I'd
bet my bottom dollar that the poor SA on linux would still end up with a
secure enough system.


 What trend does this reveal?  Bugs will continue to exist, exploits will
 continue to happen.  The one advantage Linux/OSS has over the
 proprietary market is a *proven* track record of fast patching.  *This*
 is where Linux/OSS excels.  Nevertheless, you're not helping anyone out
 by painting with broad strokes.


Perhaps I'm not using broad strokes but Stereotypes. And Stereotypes start
from somewhere. Need I remind you of the latest wave of Viruses, that have
just struck MS systems. You find me a virus that can get past SSH as easily
as MS.


  Access is not a Database Server, unlike SQL Server, mysql is.

 I'm not sure whether you're trying to say Access and SQL Server both
 suck, MySQL is good, or Access sucks, both SQL Server and MySQL are
 good.  If the latter, you're ok.  If the former, you're actually quite
 wrong.  While I would *never* suggest that a client run SQL Server, it
 actually competes nicely with a number of other popular commercial
 RDBMS's.  It *is* an enterprise database, like it or not.  And yes, it
 too has a terrible security record.

I did indeed mean to show that SQL Server and mysql are database Servers and
Access is not. I was trying to show that there is an option on Windows to
use SQL Server rather than mysql, although, mysql is in my experience solid
as a rock, and I have yet to find an MS product that doesn't crash
regularly. (another sweeping generalisation, but the truth from my own
experience). G Bloomin Age of Empires always crashes when it's been an
hour since you last saved your game!!!:-)


  All software you could want to use on linux is free, as is Linux,
  unless you wish to purchase a set of CD's. MS is not.

 Free as in speech, not as in beer.

http://www.redhat.com/download/howto_download.html  (where's the price of
beer here? It is free to download - or do you mean the cost of the phone
bill to download it:-)


  Apache Vs IIS, no competition.

 I won't argue this point except to say, it matters on the OP's
 circumstances.  Apache does not have support for full-blown ASP
 programming.  If that's what their department insists on using (doesn't
 sound like it), they're stuck with IIS.  Personally, I love Apache...
 even on Windows.  I've taken full-blown Perl web applications written in
 CGI::Application (with HTML::Template inheritance) and ported it
 trivially from Linux/Perl/Apache/MySQL to Windows2000/ActiveState
 Perl/Apache/MySQL.  Col.

Mod perl rocks, and my one experience of IIS left me feeling cold.

I am a perl programmer at heart, so I 

Recommend vpn for Linux

2003-09-11 Thread Martin Moss
All,

can anybody recommend any VPN software for Linux. I wish to VPN'ify' two
home networks, each network has a linux router to connect to their ISP and
they each have a domain name that provides a constant interface into their
dynamic IP addresses.
Ideally I would like to have it look like the computers are all on the same
network , so a Windows machine on one network could see a windows machine on
the other network.

Is this a plausible thing to attempt?

Regards

Marty



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Re: Sweet Success

2003-08-20 Thread Martin Moss
Are you commission mate:-) ?
lol

Marty


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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
Subject: Sweet Success


 I just want to relate the happiness I have over the successful
 installation of yet another RedHat server for a small business customer
 of mine;
 
 They were in need of a low-cost, dependable server machine to be used as
 a file server and a printer server - a machine on which they could load
 a high-end architectural/accounting package; originally they were faced
 with spending upwards of $6000 (for a MS type box, of course); my total
 drop in cost for the box ended up being $2200 - loaded with RH9 +
 updates, Samba, MySQL, using SENDMAIL/FETCHMAIL/PROCMAIL + SpamAssassin,
 F-Prot and ClamAV - as well as being the gateway for an 802.11b 2.4ghz
 network in our area. Actual software load and configuration was one
 evening here at home - about 2 hours total; drop in on site with client
 machine configurations was one day. Done deal. No dramas, no sweat, no
 problems. Even had time to show the admin how to use VNC to access the
 server desktop; script was setup to backup to CDRW once per week. EZ as
 pie.
 
 Had this have been a Windows box I would have spent three days with it -
 for one thing or another - I'm used to that crap, and the monstrous size
 of the patches/updates/fixes.
 
 So, for anyone with any doubts, it's really easy - it's really simple.
 Plus, the customer was more than happy to know that they have IMAP/POP
 functionality, a proxy (privoxy) and a firewall - without license fees
 and BS associated. They even have a nice big round RH sticker on the
 front door now...(couldn't say No to the admin - was her idea).
 
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Re: AOL Now Bouncing DHCP Addresses, Residential Addresses[May Be OT] [Most definitely OT] :-)

2003-06-18 Thread Martin Moss


 On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:02:08AM -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote:
  Wednesday, June 18, 2003, 2:10:04 AM, T. wrote:
   Huh? No, the question is: Why the fsck where those guys able to get on
   board with the BOX CUTTERS?!?!
 
  Because no one had thought of box cutters as a threat.

 That's exactly what I don't understand. I've been stopped at European
 airports for carrying bicycle tools or even a bicycle lock (!) as they
 were regarded to be too dangerous - and that was way before 11/09. I
 wouldn't even have dreamt of trying to carry a pocket knive with me,
 at least not, if I actually wanted to catch that plane... :-}

 Cheerio,

 Thomas
 -- 

Having travelled to and From the US internally and Internationally over the
years, I can honestly state that I was apalled by the lack of security
compared to European flights - before 9/11. I guess that because Europe has
lived with terrorism for hundreds of years its way ahead of the US on that
score, I wonder if the US will continue to reinvent the wheel on Terrorism
as they have done so far. I'm sure occupying Northern Ireland seemed
like a good idea a hundred years ago too


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Re: off topic- spam arrest verification request

2003-06-11 Thread Martin Moss
I agree,

smacks of 'Lets jump on the band wagon' approach!

Marty
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Cc: David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: off topic- spam arrest verification request


 On 11 Jun 2003, Randy Perkins wrote:

  if you subscribe to spamarrest,
  just go ahead and blacklist my email address
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  i am not interested in supporting a process which requires me
  to validate my email address for every spamarrest customer that recieves
  my posts on this group.

 SpamArrest may seem good for the person using it, but it is a royal pain
 for everyone else.

 I moderate a number of announce lists and I get a bunch of these things
 every time I post an announcement.

 Think of the headaches if everyone used it.  It is a solution that does
 not scale well, if at all.

 At this point, I will be adding SpamArrest messages to my spam filters. If
 someone is too clueless to set up a mail filter that does not require
 human intervention for every sender, then they just won't get my messages.

 Besides... I expect the fake spammer address collection bot version any
 day now.  (Who still trusts click here links in unsolicited e-mail these
 days?)



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Re: Anyone try Webmin?

2003-06-06 Thread Martin Moss
I agree,
More people should look at how webmin 'the tool' is built and understand
that it is component based. A very good idea for creating framework
products.
So not just a  great tool, but a well thought out tool.

I'm currently involved in coding different sql procedures through mod_perl
and apache, and yes I agree learning your command line stuff reaps rewards,
but also using webmin shaves off great chunks of my time when looking at
different database tables and db user permissions especially.

So I hardly touch most of the rest of webmin, but just one single component
really saves me time.

Can't praise the thing enough - well I guess I probably have:-)

Marty

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone try Webmin?


 Webmin is da bomb.  We too have been using it in linuxconf's stead.
 It cuts a lot of time out of learning every service's configuration file
 syntax and options.

 -Original Message-
 From: David Cary Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:39 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Anyone try Webmin?


 http://www.webmin.com

 I have been experimenting with this for remote administration but it
 works great locally as well. This should be a real plus for someone new
 to Linux. The Postfix module is excellent as well.


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bugbear

2003-06-06 Thread Martin Moss
Is bugbear doing the rounds again?
I'm getting several messages from people on this list with bugbear attached?

Marty


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auto mounting samba drive

2003-06-06 Thread Martin Moss
All,

I'm having a mare.

My query fits into 2 parts.

1)
I can't get a samba drive with the following /etc/fstab line to mount at
boot
//windows/share /home/mountpoint/ smbfs
uid=xx,gid=gg,dmask=0555,fmask=0555,username=,password=x
xxx,ro 0 0

Once the system has booted I can issue a
mount -a

and everything mounts fine...

2) I can't find debugging information in any logfiles, what should I setup
in /etc/syslog.conf

I have a
*.debug -/var/log/messages  in my syslog.conf


Regards

Marty


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