Re: MSN Broadband
On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 05:58:01PM -0700, Steven Adler wrote: > I hope someone can help me with this. I am a brand new Linux user. I've > used Windows since my first 286 back in 91. I know that like the back > of my hand, but I know jack about Linux, except for the little bit I > learned while building my website. Anyway, to the point. I just > installed RH7.3 on my laptop. How can I get MSN Broadband to work on it > so that I can connect to the internet. I need this in stupid newbie > speak. Like from installing the programs to connection. Please help I don't know anything about how MSN does DSL, and though I am sure there is a way to make it work, I have to make two comments: First, Microsoft used to be ignorant of Linux, then they ignored it, then they bad mouthed it, but now they seem slightly worried by it. They aren't going to be any help in getting Linux working, they will likely be of no help with anything if they know the Linux is involved. If they ever get to be truly threatened by Linux, expect them to actively sabotage Linux users the same way they have actively broken Real Player on (I think) several occasions. My second point: whatever DSL you have it is really neat to have a static IP address, that lets you log into your computer from elsewhere. And with Linux you can do nearly as much logged in from another computer as you can sitting directly in front of the computer in question. When I am at home using my notebook I can fire up an instance of the emacs editor faster if I run it on my basement computer and have it put the user interface on my notebook than if I run emacs on my notebook itself--that doesn't require a static IP from the DSL provider, but it illustrates how Linux works well remotely. (The basement computer is faster and has more RAM than my notebook and the 100base-t network is pretty fast, that's how this is possible.) Right now I am typing this e-mail on my notebook's keyboard. I am at work and logged into my basement computer to do it. Works great, and because I run my own e-mail server, I can do other cool things--like have myself paged when I get e-mail from specific persons. And my Linx server is more reliable than was the e-mail server at my former ISP. All that said, Welcome to Linux! -kb -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: MSN Broadband
On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 05:58:01PM -0700, Steven Adler wrote: > my website. Anyway, to the point? I just installed RH7.3 on my > laptop. How can I get MSN Broadband to work on it so that I can > connect to the internet. I need this in stupid newbie speak. Like > from installing the programs to connection. Please help What kind of modem? I hope it is ethernet :/ What is MSN broadband, ADSL? -- Hal Burgiss -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
MSN Broadband
I hope someone can help me with this… I am a brand new Linux user… I’ve used Windows since my first 286 back in 91. I know that like the back of my hand, but I know jack about Linux, except for the little bit I learned while building my website. Anyway, to the point… I just installed RH7.3 on my laptop. How can I get MSN Broadband to work on it so that I can connect to the internet. I need this in stupid newbie speak. Like from installing the programs to connection. Please help Steven Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
Thanks to all who made such thought provoking responses! FYI... The solutions were really very simple when I got over the thought that I had to run DHCP and/or PPPoE. Since the NetDSL 800 modem supplied to me by MSN (evidently the only access now available for Home use by MSN/Quest) runs DHCP but only responds to 192.168.1.2 (from 192.168.1.1). I simply assigned the 192.168.1.2 address to the eth0 card directly connected to the modem. My home LAN I assigned with the 192.168.2.0 subnet on eth1 with samba and a few other utilities. I entered 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 as nameservers, made sure route assigned the default eth0 gateway and it all started working! "Robert Canary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you considered using a wireless provider? Outperforms anything I have > seen on the market :-) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jesus Ortega (a.k.a. > Nitebirdz) > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband > > > On 23 Dec 2001, Alan E Derhaag wrote: > > > I'm stuck! What's my best options at this point? > > > > It took better than a month for the negotiation of Qwest and MSN to > > get ADSL to my house. It was nearly insignificant getting my girl's > > WindozXP station hooked up to it but that is a different connection > > than I would choose. My dialup account used to furnish connectivity > > to the internet over a home LAN but I have been unsuccessful in > > getting Linux to communicate to MSN over the Arescom NetDSL800u modem > > (MSN Broadband indicates is the exclusive modem type). It appears > > that the windoz box uses only DHCP to negotiate only the connection > > available with that modem with the address 192.168.1.2 to the modem at > > 192.168.1.1. Running http://192.168.1.1/index.html allows the modem > > to indicate the status of the connection which, now, always indicates > > the ethernet connection is up as is the PPP (PPPoA), among other > > status items. This request must be posted from the 192.168.1.2 > > address otherwise there is no response from the modem. > > > Alan, > > > Other people already got back to you with some pretty sensible suggestions, > so I won't bother to answer about this particular problem here. However, I > did want to recommend the following site that one of Qwest's DSL users put > up sometime ago. It contains lots of good advise, links to up to date > drivers, > etc. > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/ > -- Alan E. Derhaag New Era Software Development http://aderhaag.tripod.com/Auburn, WA, USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
I use DynDNS for my domain at my DHCP server. Check: http://www.dyndns.org Mike W Ed Wilts wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Robert Canary wrote: > > Is it possible to > > run a web and mail server with it? I mean, do you get a static IP and do > > they allow you? > > Actually, you do not need a static IP to run a web and mail server. My > server runs over a traditional DHCP connection. I set up an external free > DNS at http://www.zoneedit.com which allows dynamic DNS updates. My server > then checks the router for its current IP address and sends dynamic DNS > updates to zoneedit if the address changes. It's been working fairly well > for the last year. > > Ed Wilts > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > Redhat-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Robert Canary wrote: > Is it possible to > run a web and mail server with it? I mean, do you get a static IP and do > they allow you? Actually, you do not need a static IP to run a web and mail server. My server runs over a traditional DHCP connection. I set up an external free DNS at http://www.zoneedit.com which allows dynamic DNS updates. My server then checks the router for its current IP address and sends dynamic DNS updates to zoneedit if the address changes. It's been working fairly well for the last year. Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Robert Canary wrote: > Have you considered using a wireless provider? Outperforms anything I have > seen on the market :-) > Any problems running Linux? What's the average price? Is it possible to run a web and mail server with it? I mean, do you get a static IP and do they allow you? -- -- Nitebirdz Mozilla--> http://www.mozilla.org Linux XFS--> http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
Have you considered using a wireless provider? Outperforms anything I have seen on the market :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jesus Ortega (a.k.a. Nitebirdz) Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband On 23 Dec 2001, Alan E Derhaag wrote: > I'm stuck! What's my best options at this point? > > It took better than a month for the negotiation of Qwest and MSN to > get ADSL to my house. It was nearly insignificant getting my girl's > WindozXP station hooked up to it but that is a different connection > than I would choose. My dialup account used to furnish connectivity > to the internet over a home LAN but I have been unsuccessful in > getting Linux to communicate to MSN over the Arescom NetDSL800u modem > (MSN Broadband indicates is the exclusive modem type). It appears > that the windoz box uses only DHCP to negotiate only the connection > available with that modem with the address 192.168.1.2 to the modem at > 192.168.1.1. Running http://192.168.1.1/index.html allows the modem > to indicate the status of the connection which, now, always indicates > the ethernet connection is up as is the PPP (PPPoA), among other > status items. This request must be posted from the 192.168.1.2 > address otherwise there is no response from the modem. Alan, Other people already got back to you with some pretty sensible suggestions, so I won't bother to answer about this particular problem here. However, I did want to recommend the following site that one of Qwest's DSL users put up sometime ago. It contains lots of good advise, links to up to date drivers, etc. http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/ ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
On 23 Dec 2001, Alan E Derhaag wrote: > I'm stuck! What's my best options at this point? > > It took better than a month for the negotiation of Qwest and MSN to > get ADSL to my house. It was nearly insignificant getting my girl's > WindozXP station hooked up to it but that is a different connection > than I would choose. My dialup account used to furnish connectivity > to the internet over a home LAN but I have been unsuccessful in > getting Linux to communicate to MSN over the Arescom NetDSL800u modem > (MSN Broadband indicates is the exclusive modem type). It appears > that the windoz box uses only DHCP to negotiate only the connection > available with that modem with the address 192.168.1.2 to the modem at > 192.168.1.1. Running http://192.168.1.1/index.html allows the modem > to indicate the status of the connection which, now, always indicates > the ethernet connection is up as is the PPP (PPPoA), among other > status items. This request must be posted from the 192.168.1.2 > address otherwise there is no response from the modem. Alan, Other people already got back to you with some pretty sensible suggestions, so I won't bother to answer about this particular problem here. However, I did want to recommend the following site that one of Qwest's DSL users put up sometime ago. It contains lots of good advise, links to up to date drivers, etc. http://www.users.qwest.net/~rlutton/ADSL/ ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 02:38:16PM -0800, Alan E Derhaag wrote: > > > the ethernet connection is up as is the PPP (PPPoA), among other > > status items. This request must be posted from the 192.168.1.2 > > address otherwise there is no response from the modem. > > > > I've attempted to connect another nic card to the modem's ethernet > > connection using DHCP, from my Linux box, but never get a response > > from it requesting from the 192.168.1.1 address over a direct ethernet > > connection (nothing else on the subnet). I've upgraded to dhcp-3.0 > > Have you tried it by assigning a static IP to the NIC, like > 192.168.1.2, and gateway of 192.168.1.1? I would think that should > work, and take the dhcp client out of the picture. Yes, that does work but I get strange results like 'telnet 80' will work for a HTTP connection but Netscape doesn't get past the IP resolution. I had hoped to use DHCP as it will query for PEERDNS and possibly complete the routing stuff for me. BTW, it was probably the lack of a hole in the firewall for ports 67 and 68 by my ipchains configuration that kept dhclient from seeing a return on its requests. > > > and no dhclient.conf configurations have yet been successful. > > Documentation of the pppoe indicates possible use of DHCP to establish > > the connection and IP addresses, although monitoring (with ethereal) > > the connection attempt for the WindozXP box never indicates use of > > PPPoE or PPPoA PADR packets. Arescom's web page for this modem type > > indicates either is a connection option with this modem. > > If the modem is handling this, which it sounds like, then you won't > see any of the PPP traffic. All that traffic is modem <-> DSLAM. PPPoA > doesn't run over ethernet anyway, which you say is what the modem is > doing. Yes, I'm aware the PPPoA is for ATM, not ethernet, but the NetDSL800u spec indicates both PPPoA and PPPoE are handled by the modem. Sorry, my first post was not clear about that. > > > Any other solutions you can advise short of running lynx software on > > the Windoz box to make it a server? > > Huh? I might have misspelled the name.. lynx.. linx.. something like that (heard over the telephone) sets up a file transfer environment from what I remember of using it for about 3 years ago. I must have been enhanced from the indication of an MSN tech (who's name will remain blameless). > > This setup is confusing me :/ Are the XP and linux boxes trying to > access the same modem at the same time? Is that the problem? Are you > sure the Linux NIC is functional? What I was indicating is there was no problem with the Windoz box making a connection but I want to switch the connectivity to my Linux box. It would be a direct connect of a nic card in my Linux box to the modem. I have to wait until my girl's are off the Windoz box so I can attempt the hardware and software changes tonight.. wish me luck, hoping ipchains was the only stopper in the process. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 02:38:16PM -0800, Alan E Derhaag wrote: > the ethernet connection is up as is the PPP (PPPoA), among other > status items. This request must be posted from the 192.168.1.2 > address otherwise there is no response from the modem. > > I've attempted to connect another nic card to the modem's ethernet > connection using DHCP, from my Linux box, but never get a response > from it requesting from the 192.168.1.1 address over a direct ethernet > connection (nothing else on the subnet). I've upgraded to dhcp-3.0 Have you tried it by assigning a static IP to the NIC, like 192.168.1.2, and gateway of 192.168.1.1? I would think that should work, and take the dhcp client out of the picture. > and no dhclient.conf configurations have yet been successful. > Documentation of the pppoe indicates possible use of DHCP to establish > the connection and IP addresses, although monitoring (with ethereal) > the connection attempt for the WindozXP box never indicates use of > PPPoE or PPPoA PADR packets. Arescom's web page for this modem type > indicates either is a connection option with this modem. If the modem is handling this, which it sounds like, then you won't see any of the PPP traffic. All that traffic is modem <-> DSLAM. PPPoA doesn't run over ethernet anyway, which you say is what the modem is doing. > Any other solutions you can advise short of running lynx software on > the Windoz box to make it a server? Huh? This setup is confusing me :/ Are the XP and linux boxes trying to access the same modem at the same time? Is that the problem? Are you sure the Linux NIC is functional? -- Hal Burgiss ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
lacking Linux ADSL connectivity over MSN Broadband
I'm stuck! What's my best options at this point? It took better than a month for the negotiation of Qwest and MSN to get ADSL to my house. It was nearly insignificant getting my girl's WindozXP station hooked up to it but that is a different connection than I would choose. My dialup account used to furnish connectivity to the internet over a home LAN but I have been unsuccessful in getting Linux to communicate to MSN over the Arescom NetDSL800u modem (MSN Broadband indicates is the exclusive modem type). It appears that the windoz box uses only DHCP to negotiate only the connection available with that modem with the address 192.168.1.2 to the modem at 192.168.1.1. Running http://192.168.1.1/index.html allows the modem to indicate the status of the connection which, now, always indicates the ethernet connection is up as is the PPP (PPPoA), among other status items. This request must be posted from the 192.168.1.2 address otherwise there is no response from the modem. I've attempted to connect another nic card to the modem's ethernet connection using DHCP, from my Linux box, but never get a response from it requesting from the 192.168.1.1 address over a direct ethernet connection (nothing else on the subnet). I've upgraded to dhcp-3.0 and no dhclient.conf configurations have yet been successful. Documentation of the pppoe indicates possible use of DHCP to establish the connection and IP addresses, although monitoring (with ethereal) the connection attempt for the WindozXP box never indicates use of PPPoE or PPPoA PADR packets. Arescom's web page for this modem type indicates either is a connection option with this modem. Any other solutions you can advise short of running lynx software on the Windoz box to make it a server? -- Alan E. Derhaag New Era Software Development http://aderhaag.tripod.com/Auburn, WA, USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
