RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Rob, before you get too worked up about this, I got it too... from the email address I used when I setup my up2date and RHN registration, which is NOT the same as this address, or any other address I've subscribed to any Redhat or Linux information on. So, whoever sent it had to have gotten the information directly from Redhat that THE William Ward at that address is also the same William Ward at this one... and only Redhat could know that (but they didn't send it to this address...) and even that's unlikely. Therefore, it was sent out to whatever address is on file with the RHN. Ergo, Redhat sent it out. Yeah, I get Spam on that address (75% of all messages to that address ARE Spam... it's my most heavily spammed email address), but most of those are "Hi! Check out my webcam!" or "Please her, you sexy stud!" or something else along that line :( Oh, and lots and lots of folks who want to do Confidential Business with me from Africa. Sheesh, save the world by taking out an African dictator intent on using Bio weapons on Beijing and blaming it on America, thus starting a chain that leads to a global holocaust, and it seems everyone in Africa knows who you are... Bill Ward > -Original Message- > From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: redhat mailing list > Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd) > > > > Red Hat list admin: > > A number of folks received the following on the Red Hat mailing > list recently. The overwhelming evidence is that it is spam, > given the return address of redhat.chtah.com. > > If this is indeed what happened, it seems appropriate to > bar all *.chtah.com postings to any and all red hat mailing > lists, yes? The links contained in the message are a *clear* > attempt to get subscribers to sign up for a completely bogus > service, with the proceeds going directly to chtah.com. > > The faster this domain can be blacklisted, the less chance > there is of someone being fleeced. > > Thanks for your attention. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Red Hat has been using this company for quite some time in the mailout of their 'Under the Brim' newsletter which you can subscribe on their front page. On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > if this is in fact legit, i'm more than a little stunned. who at > red hat decided to provide contact information to a third-party > mass-mailing company? what effect does this have on privacy > issues? > > i would *really* like to know how my association with red hat > led to my contact info being given to a bulk mailing organization. > -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:56:28 -0500 (EST), Robert P. J. Day wrote: > before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > redhat.chtah.com. > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > spammer. so this is total nonsense. Red Hat's "Under the Brim" newsletters get sent from "Red Hat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, too. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+f49z0iMVcrivHFQRAs65AJ0df7bWrbQnHGVM2ap2FzkSkjx1pwCfTctG QCYf1OEoAjOgIoFrsP4sZe4= =eryB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Dammit, I just got 8 working the way I want. :o) -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Robert P. J. Day wrote: Red Hat list admin: A number of folks received the following on the Red Hat mailing list recently. The overwhelming evidence is that it is spam, given the return address of redhat.chtah.com Ummm nope. Unless this spammer happened to also take over the redhat.com domain as well... as was posted earlier: http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ heres some text from that page on what appears to be www.redhat.com Subscribe to Red Hat Network (subscriptions start as low as $60 USD/year). Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs will be available to paid subscribers starting March 31, 2003--a week before they will be available on redhat.com, in stores, or on Red Hat FTP. A paid subscription also gets you access to RHN technical support, errata updates, priority access during peak times, and immediate email notification. It's the quickest way to get Red Hat Linux 9. And just to be doubly sure... here are some of the tcpdump lines that I got from loading that page: 04:52:41.740352 65.56.213.5.33015 > 66.187.232.56.http: . ack 15140 win 63480 (DF) 04:52:41.890352 66.187.232.56.http > 65.56.213.5.33015: . 15140:16520(1380) ack 1236 win 16510 (DF) 04:52:41.890352 65.56.213.5.33015 > 66.187.232.56.http: . ack 16520 win 63480 (DF) 04:52:42.050352 66.187.232.56.http > 65.56.213.5.33015: . 16520:17900(1380) ack 1236 win 16510 (DF) 04:52:42.050352 65.56.213.5.33015 > 66.187.232.56.http: . ack 17900 win 63480 (DF) and a dig on www.redhat.com: [EMAIL PROTECTED] network-scripts]# dig www.redhat.com ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> www.redhat.com ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.redhat.com. 134 IN A 66.187.232.56 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: redhat.com. 163 IN NS ns2.redhat.com. redhat.com. 163 IN NS ns3.redhat.com. redhat.com. 163 IN NS ns1.redhat.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns2.redhat.com. 23846 IN A 66.187.224.210 ns3.redhat.com. 23846 IN A 66.187.229.10 ns1.redhat.com. 23846 IN A 66.187.233.210 Note that the www.redhat.com address is the address that I was getting the packets from, as evidenced by tcpdump... So, its real.. or Red Hat has one hell of a good intrusion going on... and trust me, I know enough people on the inside at Red Hat to have confirmed this. Cheers Jeff -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:23:58PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > at this point, it's not the existence of red hat 9 that's the issue -- > it's the offer for RHN subscription that appears to be going back to > an obvious spammer -- that is, chtah.com. There's a very clear distinction between "an obvious spammer" and a mass marketing company. If you've signed up for these kinds of announcements from Red Hat and they chose to use a 3rd party company to send you those e-mails, it's not spam. Nobody says that chtah.com is allowed to do anything else with the information. Frankly, I'd be surprised if they didn't have an explicit contract that prevented them from doing anything else with the info. There are a lot of legitimate businesses out there that have contracts to either mail paper or e-mail to customers. We shouldn't force Red Hat to do everything in house - sometimes they'll contract functions of their business out and there's nothing wrong with that. > while i may be wrong, it seems that chtah.com is trying to ride the > coattails of the recent legit announcement to sucker folks into > signing up with *them*. I'm sure your wrong. In fact, you're so far off base you're a county over. :-) -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
I'm just trying to figure out why they'd announce a jump from RH8.0 direct to 9.0 that'll be available the day before April Fool's day. This kind of thing would make a great April Fool's joke, but judging by the web site, they're serious about it. No obvious domain hijacking going on either: [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ host www.redhat.com www.redhat.com has address 66.187.232.56 [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ host 66.187.232.56 56.232.187.66.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer www.redhat.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ dig @a.gtld-servers.net. redhat.com. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: redhat.com. 2D IN NSns2.redhat.com. redhat.com. 2D IN NSns3.redhat.com. redhat.com. 2D IN NSns1.redhat.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns2.redhat.com. 2D IN A 66.187.224.210 ns3.redhat.com. 2D IN A 66.187.229.10 ns1.redhat.com. 2D IN A 66.187.233.210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ dig @66.187.224.210 www.redhat.com. ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.redhat.com. 5M IN A 66.187.232.56 - Jeff -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Robert P. J. Day wrote: can someone clarify this? i mean, it makes no sense for red hat to be sending out offers like this from the chtah.com domain, does it? All previous announcements have been done through this domain as well, including their RHCE specific surveys, etc. Unless they're really good, I'd safely say that they're contracted by Red Hat to do this. I don't suppose you subscribe to "Under The Brim" either? All links point thru chtah. It's basically a reference tag to check who's going where from the commercial email they're sending out. Not uncommon - not pretty, but not uncommon. -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Daevid Vincent wrote: > Rober! This is *NOT* spam. > > http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ > > And the email I got FROM RH has my username and info in it. It is most > certainly from RedHat, and it most certainly is v9.0. if this is in fact legit, i'm more than a little stunned. who at red hat decided to provide contact information to a third-party mass-mailing company? what effect does this have on privacy issues? i would *really* like to know how my association with red hat led to my contact info being given to a bulk mailing organization. anyone? rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Jody Cleveland wrote: > > before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > > redhat.chtah.com. > > > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > > spammer. so this is total nonsense. > > I also belong to Redhat Network. They sent a message about this too. Looking > at the headers: > Received: from rhn-mail.rdu.redhat.com (mail.rhn.redhat.com > [66.187.232.120]) > > Plus, it's all over their web site. They just don't say anywhere, at least > that I can see, what's new in it. at this point, it's not the existence of red hat 9 that's the issue -- it's the offer for RHN subscription that appears to be going back to an obvious spammer -- that is, chtah.com. while i may be wrong, it seems that chtah.com is trying to ride the coattails of the recent legit announcement to sucker folks into signing up with *them*. can someone clarify this? i mean, it makes no sense for red hat to be sending out offers like this from the chtah.com domain, does it? rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Look at www.redhat.com there is a reference to RHL 9 over there. On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:11, Jody Cleveland wrote: > > before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > > redhat.chtah.com. > > > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > > spammer. so this is total nonsense. > > I also belong to Redhat Network. They sent a message about this too. Looking > at the headers: > Received: from rhn-mail.rdu.redhat.com (mail.rhn.redhat.com > [66.187.232.120]) > > Plus, it's all over their web site. They just don't say anywhere, at least > that I can see, what's new in it. > > Jody > > > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 12:56, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > redhat.chtah.com. > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > spammer. so this is total nonsense. Actually, going to www.redhat.com counters it. Right there in the bottom right corner is a box talking about getting RedHat 9 early. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
> A number of folks received the following on the Red Hat mailing > list recently. The overwhelming evidence is that it is spam, > given the return address of redhat.chtah.com. This is from the marketing company redhat has been using for several of it's most recent emails.I also recieved an email as RHN subsciber about its availablity that had no reference to chtah.com Robert Love -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
But would http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ resolve? -eric Robert P. J. Day wrote: > before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > redhat.chtah.com. > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > spammer. so this is total nonsense. > > rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Dude, if you follow the links, it points back to redhat. I'm guessing they used a third-party provider to handle the traffic this message would cause. -dd >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/24/03 12:00PM >>> Red Hat list admin: A number of folks received the following on the Red Hat mailing list recently. The overwhelming evidence is that it is spam, given the return address of redhat.chtah.com. If this is indeed what happened, it seems appropriate to bar all *.chtah.com postings to any and all red hat mailing lists, yes? The links contained in the message are a *clear* attempt to get subscribers to sign up for a completely bogus service, with the proceeds going directly to chtah.com. The faster this domain can be blacklisted, the less chance there is of someone being fleeced. Thanks for your attention. rday -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:21:04 - From: Red Hat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Red Hat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early Dear rob day: You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support. Beginning March 31, 2003, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will have access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store and Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support. Learn more about the benefits of being a Red Hat Network Subscriber: http://redhat.chtah.com/a/tA$f1ahAJPSNNAMoxTCAHU7fyyN/rhat1 To purchase a Red Hat Network subscription: http://redhat.chtah.com/a/tA$f1ahAJPSNNAMoxTCAHU7fyyN/rhat2 Thanks again for using Red Hat Linux. We appreciate all feedback from our users and hope you enjoy Red Hat Linux 9. Sincerely, Red Hat --- The above email is intended for people who have opted-in to receiving email from Red Hat. If you think that you have received this email in error, please accept our apologies. Simply click on the link in the section below and we'll make sure you do not receive this kind of email from Red Hat again. http://redhat.chtah.com/a/tA$f1ahAJPSNNAMoxTCAHU7fyyN/rhat3?t=VALUEtVALUE -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
Rober! This is *NOT* spam. http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ And the email I got FROM RH has my username and info in it. It is most certainly from RedHat, and it most certainly is v9.0. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 12:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: redhat mailing list > Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd) > > > > Red Hat list admin: > > A number of folks received the following on the Red Hat mailing > list recently. The overwhelming evidence is that it is spam, > given the return address of redhat.chtah.com. > > If this is indeed what happened, it seems appropriate to > bar all *.chtah.com postings to any and all red hat mailing > lists, yes? The links contained in the message are a *clear* > attempt to get subscribers to sign up for a completely bogus > service, with the proceeds going directly to chtah.com. > > The faster this domain can be blacklisted, the less chance > there is of someone being fleeced. > > Thanks for your attention. > > rday > > -- Forwarded message -- > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:21:04 - > From: Red Hat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Red Hat > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early > > Dear rob day: > > You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your > systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you > might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users > mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have > added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release > of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support. > > Beginning March 31, 2003, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will > have access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store > and Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will > receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support. > > Learn more about the benefits of being a Red Hat Network Subscriber: > http://redhat.chtah.com/a/tA$f1ahAJPSNNAMoxTCAHU7fyyN/rhat1 > > To purchase a Red Hat Network subscription: > http://redhat.chtah.com/a/tA$f1ahAJPSNNAMoxTCAHU7fyyN/rhat2 > > Thanks again for using Red Hat Linux. We appreciate all feedback > from our users and hope you enjoy Red Hat Linux 9. > > Sincerely, > > Red Hat > > --- > > The above email is intended for people who have opted-in to receiving > email from Red Hat. If you think that you have received this email in > error, please accept our apologies. Simply click on the link in the > section below and we'll make sure you do not receive this kind of > email from Red Hat again. > http://redhat.chtah.com/a/tA$f1ahAJPSNNAMoxTCAHU7fyyN/rhat3?t= VALUEtVALUE -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
I thought so too, but it's mentioned on the Redhat web site. Mike On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 11:56, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > redhat.chtah.com. > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > spammer. so this is total nonsense. > > rday > > > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early (fwd)
> before anyone gets too cranked up about this, it is almost > certainly bogus. look at the return email address -- > redhat.chtah.com. > > a quick browse of www.chtah.com shows an obvious > spammer. so this is total nonsense. I also belong to Redhat Network. They sent a message about this too. Looking at the headers: Received: from rhn-mail.rdu.redhat.com (mail.rhn.redhat.com [66.187.232.120]) Plus, it's all over their web site. They just don't say anywhere, at least that I can see, what's new in it. Jody -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
