Re: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:15:33AM -0600, Steve Borho wrote: > > I used to be on this list from the RH 5.x to RH 6.x days and took > > a long brake until yesterday. I noticed the members list has been > > flushed properly as I don't see familiar looking names from that > > period like e.g. Chuck Mead, Hal Burgiss... On the other hand, > > maybe they're just lurking. Sorry, good to see you guys back! I just don't post as much any more :/ > I took a three year break myself (startups, you gotta love em), and > have been back lurking for a short while. Welcome back. -- Hal Burgiss -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 05:35:13PM +0100, Zoki wrote: > Le 24/02/2003 21:25, « Simpson, Doug » <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > > *** Hi group, > > I've been on some lists where new members were supposed to present > themselves and kept the habit. > > I used to be on this list from the RH 5.x to RH 6.x days and took a long > brake until yesterday. I noticed the members list has been flushed properly > as I don't see familiar looking names from that period like e.g. Chuck Mead, > Hal Burgiss... On the other hand, maybe they're just lurking. > > Anyway, I guess things change. One thing I saw right away which didn't > change is the [OT] tag. :-)) I'm glad to be back. > I took a three year break myself (startups, you gotta love em), and have been back lurking for a short while. Welcome back. -- Steve Borho Principal Engineer Ageia Technologies, Inc. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 10:35, Zoki wrote: > I noticed the members list has been flushed properly as I don't > see familiar looking names from that period like e.g. Chuck Mead, > Hal Burgiss... Haven't seen Chuck or Hal for a while... Chuck had way too much on his plate sometime around last year and had to cut back, and I don't remember why Hal's been gone. Bunch of still-familiar "faces" around, though. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
Le 24/02/2003 21:25, « Simpson, Doug » <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : *** Hi group, I've been on some lists where new members were supposed to present themselves and kept the habit. I used to be on this list from the RH 5.x to RH 6.x days and took a long brake until yesterday. I noticed the members list has been flushed properly as I don't see familiar looking names from that period like e.g. Chuck Mead, Hal Burgiss... On the other hand, maybe they're just lurking. Anyway, I guess things change. One thing I saw right away which didn't change is the [OT] tag. :-)) I'm glad to be back. > I thanked you and I will thank you again for the insightful info. > I am just pointing out that we here on the list agree (at least I do) and > telling us this is preaching to the choir. > You have made some very valid points so share them with those who may not be > in the know. It does not help to hide your light under a rock. Please send > your thoughts to Business Week it would be good. *** Posting the article to the list rather than to the "offenders" site is more useful as it is very instructive for present members, especially the very passionate ones who would get fooled by the "Pro-Linux" attitude of the article and basically read what they want to hear, it's archived for the future generations and pop-up whenever you do the right search. I just found my messages to this list from 1998. I just want to make the point that posting it here is more useful than sending it to the pre-formatted, biased, arrogant whatever journalist who still manages to be or act ignorant about some well established facts. In general it's more useful to spend your writing skills and energy in instructing fellow users or participate in some OSS projects - like create doc's and HOWTO's written in plain English and not in C or C++ - than send your message to sites and journalists that are not worth it. Zoran. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
I thanked you and I will thank you again for the insightful info. I am just pointing out that we here on the list agree (at least I do) and telling us this is preaching to the choir. You have made some very valid points so share them with those who may not be in the know. It does not help to hide your light under a rock. Please send your thoughts to Business Week it would be good. Doug -Original Message- From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:35 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Simpson, Doug wrote: > Thank you for pointing this out. > Have you sent Biz week your editorial? > Here you're just preaching to the choir. > Doug what i was trying to do was point out that, despite the numerous positives in the businessweek article, there were enough glaring errors and misrepresentations to pretty much cancel them out. in short, linux fans should be very wary of recommending those articles. the articles are replete with subtle digs and ad hominem attacks. OSS programmers are described as a "ragtag band", richard stallman with his "flower-child hair" "plays the role of karl marx" -- *that* should be enough to put the fear of communism in any serious capitalist. and then there's MS's craig mundie, still attacking linux as somehow a destroyer of intellectual property with, "It ultimately is a question about whether societies are going to value intellectual property or not." to which the author, unbelievably, writes, "He has a point." no, he doesn't, you dipstick. and it's pretty hard to take seriously any complaints from the rep of a company that's stolen as much IP as microsoft has over the years. and the conclusion: "It's a weird twist on capitalism. But it just might work." it's *already* working, but why waste one more chance to sneak in the anti-capitalism dig? like i said, in the midst of lots of positive stuff, enough mind-numbingly stupid claims to make the whole thing pretty worthless. just more MS FUD. rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Simpson, Doug wrote: > Thank you for pointing this out. > Have you sent Biz week your editorial? > Here you're just preaching to the choir. > Doug what i was trying to do was point out that, despite the numerous positives in the businessweek article, there were enough glaring errors and misrepresentations to pretty much cancel them out. in short, linux fans should be very wary of recommending those articles. the articles are replete with subtle digs and ad hominem attacks. OSS programmers are described as a "ragtag band", richard stallman with his "flower-child hair" "plays the role of karl marx" -- *that* should be enough to put the fear of communism in any serious capitalist. and then there's MS's craig mundie, still attacking linux as somehow a destroyer of intellectual property with, "It ultimately is a question about whether societies are going to value intellectual property or not." to which the author, unbelievably, writes, "He has a point." no, he doesn't, you dipstick. and it's pretty hard to take seriously any complaints from the rep of a company that's stolen as much IP as microsoft has over the years. and the conclusion: "It's a weird twist on capitalism. But it just might work." it's *already* working, but why waste one more chance to sneak in the anti-capitalism dig? like i said, in the midst of lots of positive stuff, enough mind-numbingly stupid claims to make the whole thing pretty worthless. just more MS FUD. rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
Thank you for pointing this out. Have you sent Biz week your editorial? Here you're just preaching to the choir. Doug -Original Message- From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Benjamin R. Mohilef wrote: > This week's edition of Business Week indicates a significant gain in > the use of Linux servers (over Sun and Microsoft) and shows > Redhat as one of the "Winners" in the "Winners and Losers" > column of the article. > > Worth a quick read if you are interested in that aspect of the > software game. sadly, while the articles *seem* to be fairly positive towards linux, there are a couple of stunningly egregious errors that, by themselves, if taken at face value, would cause executives to dismiss linux outright. eg: "Before using open-source software, tech companies must sign a license in which they promise to give away innovations they build on top of it." this isn't just a subtle misrepresentation of the GPL -- it's howlingly misleading, and it's hard to believe that, by now, *any* even moderately competent journalist who's followed the growth of linux could make this claim. another example describes the SCO Group as having hired david boies in order to "press its claims against sellers of linux." normally, i'd just go with "never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." but it's hard to accept that anyone could be *this* stupid. regardless of the good deal of positive in those articles, i've dismissed them as just more microsoft-inspired FUD, dressed up to look innocuous. just garbage. rday p.s. and do we really need any more articles describing the driving force behind OSS as "a ragtag band of open-source programming volunteers ... scattered around the globe"? i think not. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [OT] Business Week Article Shows Linux Gains
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Benjamin R. Mohilef wrote: > This week's edition of Business Week indicates a significant gain in > the use of Linux servers (over Sun and Microsoft) and shows > Redhat as one of the "Winners" in the "Winners and Losers" > column of the article. > > Worth a quick read if you are interested in that aspect of the > software game. sadly, while the articles *seem* to be fairly positive towards linux, there are a couple of stunningly egregious errors that, by themselves, if taken at face value, would cause executives to dismiss linux outright. eg: "Before using open-source software, tech companies must sign a license in which they promise to give away innovations they build on top of it." this isn't just a subtle misrepresentation of the GPL -- it's howlingly misleading, and it's hard to believe that, by now, *any* even moderately competent journalist who's followed the growth of linux could make this claim. another example describes the SCO Group as having hired david boies in order to "press its claims against sellers of linux." normally, i'd just go with "never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." but it's hard to accept that anyone could be *this* stupid. regardless of the good deal of positive in those articles, i've dismissed them as just more microsoft-inspired FUD, dressed up to look innocuous. just garbage. rday p.s. and do we really need any more articles describing the driving force behind OSS as "a ragtag band of open-source programming volunteers ... scattered around the globe"? i think not. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
