Re: Tape parameters for dump

2000-01-11 Thread Matthew Saltzman


I wrote earlier asking for help using dump with a DAT drive, and I
received replies from Steven W Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I just wanted to thank them both for 
their helpful responses.  

To sum up, setting the -s option to a large enough number will let
dump think that the tape is long enough to accommodate the dump, even
with the other tape characteristics set to thier defaults.  To find
the exact number will take some experimenting, but I have the idea now
anyway.  FYI, Steve and Ken, my 90-meter tape "stretched" to 12
feet (!) and fit about 1.8 Meg without running off the end.

Matthew Saltzman
Clemson University Math Sciences
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs


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Re: Tape parameters for dump

2000-01-05 Thread Steven W Orr

I went through this problem a while ago. Turns out that the DAT drives are
helical. This means that the *effective* length of the tape is calculated
based on the density of a helical stripe on the tape multiplied by the
number of stripes that fit on the tape.

[What the hell is he talking about?]

The practical solution is to run your dump with a tape length set to
something like 67000 meters. Maybe less for a 90 m tape, but that's the
sort of number I use for a 120. Sorry I don't have the exact number on me,
as my 'puter is at home.

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Matthew Saltzman wrote:

=Backup gurus-
=
=I was trying to use dump for a rudimentary backup with a 4mm DAT
=drive.  The drive capacity is 4-8G and the tape capacity is 2-4G (90
=meters, I believe).  I have about 1-2G to back up.  But if I run dump
=with the default settings, only a small amount of data is written
=before dump requests a new volume.
=
=So my question is: What are the right settings for the dump parameters
=-B (records), -b (blocksize), -d (density), and/or -s (feet) for this
=configuration?  (Also, am I correct in assuming that this has nothing
=to do with the drive capacity and everything to do with the tape 
=capacity?)


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Re: Tape parameters for dump

2000-01-05 Thread Kenneth_W_Fox


I went through this problem a while ago. Turns out that the DAT drives are
helical. This means that the *effective* length of the tape is calculated
based on the density of a helical stripe on the tape multiplied by the
number of stripes that fit on the tape.

[What the hell is he talking about?]

What he's saying is that the 4  8mm drives work like a VHS VCR. the read 
write heads *fly* across the tape diagonally instead of along its length (like a
cassette, remeber those?)  which means that he calculated the *length* of the
tape as far as dump is concerned as being the physical length of the tape (90 or
120 meters) times the width of the tape (4 or 8 mm) divided by the width of the
tracks ---

a cassette records as follows  
a helical recordslike this


so for the same physical length of tape you get more data on the tape.

I'm sure that is clear as mud but... I tried

-- Ken






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Re: Tape parameters for dump

2000-01-05 Thread Bruce Kall

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I went through this problem a while ago. Turns out that the DAT drives are
 helical. This means that the *effective* length of the tape is calculated
 based on the density of a helical stripe on the tape multiplied by the
 number of stripes that fit on the tape.
 

I think this may only be true for MRS tapes (media regognition system)
tapes.
There are also tapes that don't have the MRS diagonal marks that do work
as well.


 [What the hell is he talking about?]
 
 What he's saying is that the 4  8mm drives work like a VHS VCR. the read 
 write heads *fly* across the tape diagonally instead of along its length (like a
 cassette, remeber those?)  which means that he calculated the *length* of the
 tape as far as dump is concerned as being the physical length of the tape (90 or
 120 meters) times the width of the tape (4 or 8 mm) divided by the width of the
 tracks ---
 
 a cassette records as follows  
 a helical recordslike this
 
 
 so for the same physical length of tape you get more data on the tape.
 
 I'm sure that is clear as mud but... I tried
 
 -- Ken
 
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Tape parameters for dump

2000-01-04 Thread Matthew Saltzman

Backup gurus-

I was trying to use dump for a rudimentary backup with a 4mm DAT
drive.  The drive capacity is 4-8G and the tape capacity is 2-4G (90
meters, I believe).  I have about 1-2G to back up.  But if I run dump
with the default settings, only a small amount of data is written
before dump requests a new volume.

So my question is: What are the right settings for the dump parameters
-B (records), -b (blocksize), -d (density), and/or -s (feet) for this
configuration?  (Also, am I correct in assuming that this has nothing
to do with the drive capacity and everything to do with the tape 
capacity?)

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Matthew Saltzman
Clemson University Math Sciences
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs


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