Re: Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))
Thomas Ribbrock wrote: It's xpcb. It's ok, but last time I used it I found it not quite a match for a 'professional' layout program along the lines of PADs or Eagle. The latter is available for Linux, but too expensive for home use. > ... Eagle comes in three versions. A free version, a "cheap" version, and a "professional" verson. They also will provide full versions for free to non-profits (mainly schools I guess). -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:50:57AM -0600, Manuel Camacho wrote: > > I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the > > world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. > > Yes, you are right. I believe that is because electrical and electronic > engineers are more fond to programming than people from other eng. > fields. You also find interesting amounts of software for chemistry. [...] Actually, the electronics companies I've been in so far have shown *strong* tendencies to standardize on Windows. Main reason given: Schematic capture programs an layout programs are cheaper than on Solaris and more readily available than on Linux, things like LabVIEW are better supported on Windows than on Solaris (support on Linux is close to non-existent), Windows is more compatible with the latest generation of measurement instruments (scopes, ESD testers), which is *also* running Windows, Windows supports more I/O cards, etc.pp. Chip design is different, most of that stuff is running on Solaris, as it seems. Anyway, I'm in a different job now, but if someone has information as to how to refute the arguments, I'm very interested. Might come in handy one day. BTW: The mentality I've often seen among electrical engineers was along the lines of: "I don't care what it runs on as long as it does the job and I don't have to worry about support". Most of these guys have no intention to program, as that takes time away from their real job. Tools are supposed to work and a computer counts as tool. Which as such is the right way of looking at it, IMO. Cheerio, Thomas -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ...'cause only lusers quote signatures! Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 10:55:57AM -0600, Manuel Camacho wrote: > > Out of interest: What programs are used for EDA (e.g. schematic capture, > > PCB layout, etc.)? Last time I checked (which is a while ago), there > > didn't seem to be that much out there... > > There are plenty of tools. My last contact with electronics was about two > years ago, but I recall SPICE being an excellent analysis tool, I'm aware of SPICE (I've been using it on SunOS ages ago - even been programming extensions for it at the time). > and there was a graphical front end for X. I believe there was a software > called exactly PCB for such purpose. DIA can work for schematics. It's xpcb. It's ok, but last time I used it I found it not quite a match for a 'professional' layout program along the lines of PADs or Eagle. The latter is available for Linux, but too expensive for home use. Might be interesting for commercial use. DIA is ok for what it does, but again, no match for a real schematic capture program (e.g. OrCAD) - not by a long shot (component libraries, direct link with layout program) > You can make a google/linux search for SAL (Scientific Applications for > Linux) and I bet you will find a pretty large amount of electronics > related software. I should have mentioned that I know that - what I'm interested in is two things: - What are people using at a business level? With success? If I wanted to replace a Windows NT box wth OrCAD and PADs with a Linux box, what could I use to replace OrCAD and PADs? (Not that I'm in the position to do so right now, but it doesn't hurt to keep up with things...) - To a lesser extend I'm interested in "home" solutions - are there affordable program that offer good functionality. However, on that level, xpcdb probably fits the bill. Cheerio, Thomas -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ...'cause only lusers quote signatures! Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))
> Out of interest: What programs are used for EDA (e.g. schematic > capture, PCB > layout, etc.)? Last time I checked (which is a while ago), there didn't > seem > to be that much out there... There are plenty of tools. My last contact with electronics was about two years ago, but I recall SPICE being an excellent analysis tool, and there was a graphical front end for X. I believe there was a software called exactly PCB for such purpose. DIA can work for schematics. You can make a google/linux search for SAL (Scientific Applications for Linux) and I bet you will find a pretty large amount of electronics related software. -Manuel. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)
> I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the > world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. Yes, you are right. I believe that is because electrical and electronic engineers are more fond to programming than people from other eng. fields. You also find interesting amounts of software for chemistry. Right now I am looking for process simulation software to simulate construction operations, and guess what... I haven't found really anything, yet. I just downloaded a software piece called DAKOTA, which I will try. I have tried StarCalc as spreadsheets for thermal calculations, for advanced finance/management calculations, and "regular" office tasks. I would say it works fine for the average user, but is still short for higher end apps. -Manuel. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Linux & Electronics (was: wine in general (my 2 cents))
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 04:18:28PM -0800, Duane Clark wrote: > Manuel Camacho wrote: > >Is Window$ a necessary evil??? > > > >Unfortunately, so far, for Engineering applications, I think so. > > ... > > I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the > world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. > Almost every major and many minor applications in this field have been > ported to Linux, and I have been running a business in this field on > Linux for two and a half years now. [...] Out of interest: What programs are used for EDA (e.g. schematic capture, PCB layout, etc.)? Last time I checked (which is a while ago), there didn't seem to be that much out there... Cheerio, Thomas -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ...'cause only lusers quote signatures! Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)
Manuel Camacho wrote: Is Window$ a necessary evil??? Unfortunately, so far, for Engineering applications, I think so. > ... I would distinguish between various engineering disciplines. In the world of electronics, there seems to be a strong trend towards Linux. Almost every major and many minor applications in this field have been ported to Linux, and I have been running a business in this field on Linux for two and a half years now. Perhaps this trend is partially due to engineers in electronics tending to be accustomed to Unix, and being strong in computer skills. I only keep a Windows dual boot capability around for testing things that some customers expect to run under Windows (and to test with for occasional bits of Wine development). As for spreadsheets, I don't do really fancy things. But I use Applixware, which seems to work pretty good. It appears that has become "Anywhere Realtime Spreadsheets" which is now put out by a company called VistaSource, and I have no idea how it might have changed in that transition. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@;redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: wine in general (my 2 cents)
Is Window$ a necessary evil??? Unfortunately, so far, for Engineering applications, I think so. Regarding this thread, my opinion is as follows: -Excel is the best spreadsheet when it comes to advanced uses. QPro was great, but it can be considered mostly dead. StarOffice works wonderfully for regular office work, but it is not well documented for advanced apps. -There is no substitute for M$ Project. It is the best PM software available for PC. There are UNIX PM programs, but they can only be afforded by BIG corporations. Mr. Project may become a serious option, but so far it is not. -AutoCAD still runs only on Window$. Yes, I bought VariCAD, but documentation was SO BAD (I can tell for the English version), that I considered that investment a complete lost. -Linux has outstanding free software for mathematical, programming and data handling applications. -Yes, if there were reliable and functional, well documented software available, at a reasonable price, A LOT of people would be willing to pay for it. Best choice for professionals: place as much memory on your laptop as you can afford, buy VMWare, and run Windows in a VC were you can run whatever Window$ software you require. The question would be, why should I run Linux, then? Well, I can think of some reasons: a) system stability, b) availability of system tools, 3) lots of available high quality software for certain uses, such as compilers, batch processing, and mathematics, 4) flexibility. And, 5) if Window$ hangs, you just have to close the Window!! Best regards, -Manuel. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@;redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
