Re: Hard disk crash and solution

2003-01-29 Thread Hans Reiser
Zygo Blaxell wrote:


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Niek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Title: IBM DTLA 307045 Hard disk crash

I bought this disk (46 GB) about two years ago. One of the best they
claimed.
   

[...]
 

What is the fucking MBTF of these drives?? Is it close to one year like I
experienced?
   


My employer used a total of 13 of these drives (various sizes, but all the
same family) for RAID arrays.  We originally purchased 10, and replaced
the first 3 to die under IBM warranty.  After the first 3, we started
replacing dead disks with some other brand of drive.  In the end 9 of the
IBM drives died.  Some days two or three disks would fail at a time.
We didn't bother waiting for the last 4, but presumably they would have
died if we hadn't replaced all of them.  We took the rest of them apart
to use as cubicle wall decorations, shaving mirrors, etc.

Even worse, for about 6 hours before some of them died, they randomly
flipped a few bits here and there in the data, which made RAID 
redundancy useless.

 

Maybe we should warn against them in our FAQ?

--
Hans





Re: mkreiserfs -s 1024 makes unmountable partitions

2003-01-29 Thread Hans Reiser
Oleg Drokin wrote:


Hello!

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:20:47AM -0500, Scott R. Every wrote:
 

this URL works better:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mason/patches/data-logging
Oleg, thanks so much for this info(and Chris, thanks for the patches). 
This is much needed for embedded filesystems of 128MB and smaller.  Its 
hard to fit a 32MB journal on a 32 or 16MB FLASH disk!
   


Actually if you have direct access to FLASH device (e.g. through MTD),
then you really want to look at jffs2. Besides being journalled, it also
provides data compression (which is invaluable for such small storage sizes)
and flash wearing control (or what is the name for facility that controls that
certain areas of flash are not written to more often then other ones).

Bye,
   Oleg


 

Reiser4 will provide compression (compression plugin is being coded 
now), and won't waste space for a mandatory fixed size journal area.

--
Hans




What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread James Thompson
Dear Sirs,

I am a visual artist and musician.  As well as a range of traditional 
media I use Linux Mandrake 8.0 on an old Athlon-based PC.  I wrote to 
Mr. Hans Reiser, after following a mailto link on the Namesys website, 
with a slightly lengthier version of the question written below, and was 
advised that This is really a better question for our mailing list 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) than for me, as I am obviously biased.  I 
am therefore sending this email to you in the hope that somebody may be 
able to solve my puzzle - or at least direct me towards another 
knowledgeable source of information!  Thank you.

 The question:

... I have done much research in the field of computer /hardware/ 
suitable for commercial Digital Content Creation (P4 Xeon; Wildcat 
graphics; ART's PURE raytracing PCI render board, etc. ...) and now 
look to a better understanding of the choices I might make for a 
(presumably) Linux-based OS running on (presumably) Intel 32-bit 
hardware SUCH AS these two elements:-

1. Kernel Patches - pre-empt and low latency;
2. File System type - EXT3, ReiserFS, SGi's XFS, HFS, JFS;

Would you be able to advsie me on any issues I might need to be aware of 
and perhaps any firm decisions you think would be good for me to make, 
regarding OS choice and configuration?  I realise that all pre-built 
workstations supplied by Dell, IBM and HP-Compaq come with RedHat, but, 
just for the record, I like Mandrake and I am getting into the 
WindowMaker desktop :).

I also develop my website locally using Apache (but hosted on Freeserve 
:( ), and I understand pre-empt /or low-latency patches are 
counter-effective for servers.  However, as long as no real harm can be 
expected, my priority is for graphics and sound creation, editing, 
compositing, publishing, etc., while fast response for just developing 
html pages isn't.

I would like to believe that, somewhere, I can get a 'standard' Linux 
patched for optimal DCC, with suitable FS type available to choose from 
during installation.  If not, I will have to find and apply patches, but 
I know that with FS type any change demands a reformat, which can really 
disrupt a working week!

 [End question]


Yours faithfully,

James Thompson,
Visual Artist  Musician
H.E. Student of Fine Arts



Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:20:26PM -0500, James Thompson wrote:
 I am a visual artist and musician.

Check out the document at
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/ALSA_JACK_ARDOUR.html.  There a
section that benchmarks various filesystems for their latency.  The
short story is that Reiserfs wins handily over Ext2, Ext3, and FAT32
(duh!  why would someone test that...).  Unfortunately, there's no
comparison between Reiser/JFS/XFS.  I think that would be more of a fair
match.

Anyhow though, for general low-latency multimedia work, ReiserFS looks
like it's a good choice.

-- 
Ross Vandegrift
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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He fires Holy-Water from it.It is a Holy-Water Cannon.
He Blesses it. It is a Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He Blesses the Hell out of it.  It is a Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He has it pierced.It is a Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
He makes it official.   It is a Canon Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon.
Batman and Robin arrive.   He shoots them.



Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Anders Widman
 On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:20:26PM -0500, James Thompson wrote:
 I am a visual artist and musician.

 Check out the document at
 http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/ALSA_JACK_ARDOUR.html.  There a
 section that benchmarks various filesystems for their latency.  The
 short story is that Reiserfs wins handily over Ext2, Ext3, and FAT32
 (duh!  why would someone test that...).

Simply  because FAT filesystem is very simple and has little overhead.
If  dealing  with  little  amount  of files and folders then it can be
rather quick, especially if you need CPU resources to other things.

   Unfortunately, there's no
 comparison between Reiser/JFS/XFS.  I think that would be more of a fair
 match.

 Anyhow though, for general low-latency multimedia work, ReiserFS looks
 like it's a good choice.




Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Sam Vilain
Reiserfs is probably not what you want for doing lots of high volume data.  
Reiserfs is good with many small files and general purpose use.  It is 
actually the slowest filesystem for bulk data.

I'm sure some smartass will probably post some benchmark to prove me wrong, 
but SGI have a long heritage of making filesystems for exactly what you 
want and so if XFS works I'd say use that.  It's pumpin'.  Of course more 
quantitative comparisons can easily be found on the linux-kernel mailing 
list.

However, the practical difference between the high performance filesystems 
you mentioned, or the difference between running pre-empt or not should be 
considered marginal compared to other factors - such as, the load that 
your hard disk controller places on the system and the number of physical 
disks you have (and how many RPM they run at).  Keep in mind that you can 
often nearly double the data throughput of a system by doubling the number 
of physical disks in it, and using RAID.

Even with the latest UDMA-133, I haven't seen any IDE system actually 
perform without bothering the CPU non-trivially (of course YMMV).  Using 
SCSI disks and controllers will give you a smoother system ride; which is 
why 95% of high-end workstations come equipped with SCSI.  You can get 
15,000 RPM U320 SCSI disks, which are f*** fast (though loud).  This is 
largely because the SCSI protocol was designed properly, IDE/ATA is a 
hack.  Serial-ATA promises to offer SCSI like host efficiency, but I'll 
only believe it when I see it.  And at the moment the costs are as bad as 
SCSI anyway.

Of course, being able to move around large chunks of data quickly extends 
to other parts of the system, too.  The bigger and faster the system BUS, 
the better.  Having `researched hardware platforms' you should know this, 
of course.  As far as Athlon Motherboards go, Tyan are a reputable vendor 
who used to produce Sun clone motherboards - they have a really nice dual 
capable system with dual U160 SCSI controllers and 66MHz PCI slots - which 
must mean that the SCSI controllers run at that speed.  It's definitely 
worth the ~$500 price tag.  They all pale in comparison to R1+ based 
SGI or Sparc 9+ platforms of course.

From a graphic artist's perspective, you're probably better off buying a 
new G4 based system and running MacOS X, you know :-).  Linux isn't 
exactly `The Platform' for digital content creation.  The Mac's CPU and 
hardware platform are a lot better at moving data around, and if you've 
got a Mac then you can run Mac OS X, or Linux + Mac OS inside an emulator 
(which runs FAST!).

As a final note, keep in mind that a filesystem reformat does not mean a 
re-install; keep your partitions as small as practical and you can change 
them over individually.

Sam.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:20, James Thompson wrote:
 Dear Sirs,

 I am a visual artist and musician.  As well as a range of traditional
 media I use Linux Mandrake 8.0 on an old Athlon-based PC.  I wrote to
 Mr. Hans Reiser, after following a mailto link on the Namesys website,
 with a slightly lengthier version of the question written below, and was
 advised that This is really a better question for our mailing list
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) than for me, as I am obviously biased.  I
 am therefore sending this email to you in the hope that somebody may be
 able to solve my puzzle - or at least direct me towards another
 knowledgeable source of information!  Thank you.

   The question:

 ... I have done much research in the field of computer /hardware/
 suitable for commercial Digital Content Creation (P4 Xeon; Wildcat
 graphics; ART's PURE raytracing PCI render board, etc. ...) and now
 look to a better understanding of the choices I might make for a
 (presumably) Linux-based OS running on (presumably) Intel 32-bit
 hardware SUCH AS these two elements:-

  1. Kernel Patches - pre-empt and low latency;
  2. File System type - EXT3, ReiserFS, SGi's XFS, HFS, JFS;

 Would you be able to advsie me on any issues I might need to be aware of
 and perhaps any firm decisions you think would be good for me to make,
 regarding OS choice and configuration?  I realise that all pre-built
 workstations supplied by Dell, IBM and HP-Compaq come with RedHat, but,
 just for the record, I like Mandrake and I am getting into the
 WindowMaker desktop :).

 I also develop my website locally using Apache (but hosted on Freeserve

 :( ), and I understand pre-empt /or low-latency patches are

 counter-effective for servers.  However, as long as no real harm can be
 expected, my priority is for graphics and sound creation, editing,
 compositing, publishing, etc., while fast response for just developing
 html pages isn't.

 I would like to believe that, somewhere, I can get a 'standard' Linux
 patched for optimal DCC, with suitable FS type available to choose from
 during installation.  If not, I will have to find and apply patches, but
 I know that with FS type any change demands a 

Re: Fwd: Re: Segmentation Fault when mounting ataraid

2003-01-29 Thread Hans Reiser
Well, that certainly looks like a bug in mount options parsing code.  
Edward and Oleg, please review and fix.

Hans

Manuel Krause wrote:

Hi!

Just forwarding... the ksymoopsed version. Please, send any hints and 
solutions or other comments to Jochens address [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Manuel


 Original Message 
From: - Tue Jan 28 20:56:55 2003
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:47:29 +0100
From: Jochen Haemmerle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1)
To: Manuel Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Segmentation Fault when mounting ataraid
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well, down there it is!!
thx for the quick answers

Bye,

Jochen



Manuel Krause wrote:

 On 01/27/2003 11:30 PM, Jochen Haemmerle wrote:

 Hello!

 When I try to mount my reiserfs partition on a HPT370 Stripe I get a
 Segmentation Fault. All other partitions (reiserfs of cource) work 
fine.

 My kernel is the 2.4.20 from Kernel.org
 The PC is a Dual PIII 866 with Via-Apollo Chipset
 The Harddisks are 2 Maxtor 80GB
 ACPI is turned off !

 I don't know if this error depends on reiserfs, but maybe someone can
 help me!

 Best Regards

 Jochen Haemmerle


 Can you process it through something like:
 cat this-segfault.txt | ksymoops -m
 /boot/System.map-you.had@segfault and post the result ... while
 awaiting the developers' answer?!

 This would provide essentially more info for them (even if they knew
 the BUG already), AFAIK.

 Bye,

 Manuel


guardian@viking:~$ cat segfault.txt | ksymoops -m /boot/System.map-2.4.20
ksymoops 2.4.6 on i686 2.4.20.  Options used
 -V (default)
 -k /proc/ksyms (default)
 -l /proc/modules (default)
 -o /lib/modules/2.4.20/ (default)
 -m /boot/System.map-2.4.20 (specified)

Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at vitual address 
0004
c01a62c0
*pde = 
Oops: 0002
CPU:   0
EFLAGS: 00010012
eax:    ebx: c03324f8  ecx: dff188a0   edx: c03324fc
esi:    edi: c03324f8  ebp: 0008   esp: d7839d98
Process mount (pid: 327, stackpage=d7839000)
  007c 098a9f2d c0332518 0800 c0332520 c0332518 0080

  003e003f  c01a6c6c c03324f8  d7cc54a0 0008

Call Trace:   [c01a698d] [c01a6c6c][c01a6ccc] [c01a6e27]
[c0172671]
[c0173188] [c013c712] [c014d546][c013c8fd] [c014e589] 
[c014e842]
[c014e6ad] [c014ec6f] [c0106f17]
Code: 89 50 04 89 02 c7 01 00 00 00 00 c7 41 04 00 00 00 00 ff 0b
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386


 ebx; c03324f8 parse_options+124/1c8
 edx; c03324fc parse_options+128/1c8
 edi; c03324f8 parse_options+124/1c8

Trace; c01a698d reiserfs_super_in_proc+69/254
Trace; c01a6c6c reiserfs_per_level_in_proc+f4/134
Trace; c01a6ccc reiserfs_bitmap_in_proc+20/a0
Trace; c01a6e27 reiserfs_on_disk_super_in_proc+db/f0
Trace; c0172671 nlm_shutdown_hosts+e9/11c
Trace; c0173188 nlmsvc_lock+c8/340
Trace; c013c712 sys_getdents64+7e/b3
Trace; c014d546 notesize+1e/2c
Trace; c013c8fd max_select_fd+9d/a4
Trace; c014e589 handle_ide_mess+25/194
Trace; c014e842 msdos_partition+14a/2f8
Trace; c014e6ad handle_ide_mess+149/194
Trace; c014ec6f __load_block_bitmap+17f/198
Trace; c0106f17 show_stack+7/78

Code;   Before first symbol
 _EIP:
Code;   Before first symbol
   0:   89 50 04  mov%edx,0x4(%eax)
Code;  0003 Before first symbol
   3:   89 02 mov%eax,(%edx)
Code;  0005 Before first symbol
   5:   c7 01 00 00 00 00 movl   $0x0,(%ecx)
Code;  000b Before first symbol
   b:   c7 41 04 00 00 00 00  movl   $0x0,0x4(%ecx)
Code;  0012 Before first symbol
  12:   ff 0b decl   (%ebx)






--
Hans





Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:20:26 EST, James Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
said:

 ... I have done much research in the field of computer /hardware/ 
 suitable for commercial Digital Content Creation (P4 Xeon; Wildcat 
 graphics; ART's PURE raytracing PCI render board, etc. ...) and now

Hmm.. so we're looking at high-end rendering, which is usually a CPU hog.
 
  1. Kernel Patches - pre-empt and low latency;

so I'm not clear on why you're worried about low latency?  Remember that
it *does* come with an overhead - the low-latency stuff is good if you're
more concerned about fast response than total system load (for instance,
on my laptop I'm willing to give up 5% of the CPU if it makes the X server
run perceivably  faster.  If I was doing a lot of rendering, I'd want that
5% for user cycles.

Could you be more specific regarding what sort of content you are making?
(i.e. single frame images suitable for monitor display (1600x1200 and smaller),
or large-format for high-resolution printing (posters, etc), or video, etc..)
The resources needed to produce a 10-minute video clip are different from the
things you'll need to produce a 4 foot x 5 foot poster at 600DPI.
-- 
Valdis Kletnieks
Computer Systems Senior Engineer
Virginia Tech




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Re: Segmentation Fault when mounting ataraid

2003-01-29 Thread Jochen Haemmerle
So, here it comes again!
Don't care about the warning this is the machine the errror occures!

I hope someone understands that sh*** because I don't!!!

Yesterday I've patched my Kernel to 2.4.21-pre3. The bug does not appear!
It seems to be only a bug of the 2.4.20 (on 2.4.19 it works too...as I 
allready mentioned here)
For me so far, is the way it works, ok, but if the abitions of someone 
have no limit, your welcome to mail me if you need informations about my PC.

Thx for all helping answers!!

Bye
Jochen Haemmerle





ksymoops 2.4.6 on i686 2.4.20.  Options used
 -V (default)
 -k /proc/ksyms (default)
 -l /proc/modules (default)
 -o /lib/modules/2.4.20/ (default)
 -m /boot/System.map-2.4.20 (default)

Warning: You did not tell me where to find symbol information.  I will
assume that the log matches the kernel and modules that are running
right now and I'll use the default options above for symbol resolution.
If the current kernel and/or modules do not match the log, you can get
more accurate output by telling me the kernel version and where to find
map, modules, ksyms etc.  ksymoops -h explains the options.

Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at vitual address 0004
c01a62c0
*pde = 
Oops: 0002
CPU:   0
EIP: 0010:[c01a62c0]Tainted: P
Using defaults from ksymoops -t elf32-i386 -a i386
EFLAGS: 00010012
eax:    ebx: c03324f8  ecx: dff188a0   edx: c03324fc
esi:    edi: c03324f8  ebp: 0008   esp: d7839d98
Process mount (pid: 327, stackpage=d7839000)
  007c 098a9f2d c0332518 0800 c0332520 c0332518 0080 

  003e003f  c01a6c6c c03324f8  d7cc54a0 0008 

Call Trace:   [c01a698d] [c01a6c6c][c01a6ccc] [c01a6e27] 
[c0172671]
[c0173188] [c013c712] [c014d546][c013c8fd] [c014e589] [c014e842]
[c014e6ad] [c014ec6f] [c0106f17]
Code: 89 50 04 89 02 c7 01 00 00 00 00 c7 41 04 00 00 00 00 ff 0b


EIP; c01a62c0 get_request+24/54   =

ebx; c03324f8 ide_hwifs+858/21e8
ecx; dff188a0 _end+1fbca488/20962c48
edx; c03324fc ide_hwifs+85c/21e8
edi; c03324f8 ide_hwifs+858/21e8
esp; d7839d98 _end+174eb980/20962c48

Trace; c01a698d __make_request+3f5/5b4
Trace; c01a6c6c generic_make_request+120/130
Trace; c01a6ccc submit_bh+50/70
Trace; c01a6e27 ll_rw_block+13b/1a4
Trace; c0172671 read_bitmaps+c1/1ac
Trace; c0173188 reiserfs_read_super+120/4a4
Trace; c013c712 get_sb_bdev+1de/258
Trace; c014d546 alloc_vfsmnt+76/a0
Trace; c013c8fd do_kern_mount+55/104
Trace; c014e589 do_add_mount+69/138
Trace; c014e842 do_mount+146/160
Trace; c014e6ad copy_mount_options+55/a4
Trace; c014ec6f sys_mount+af/110
Trace; c0106f17 system_call+33/38

Code;  c01a62c0 get_request+24/54
 _EIP:
Code;  c01a62c0 get_request+24/54   =
   0:   89 50 04  mov%edx,0x4(%eax)   =
Code;  c01a62c3 get_request+27/54
   3:   89 02 mov%eax,(%edx)
Code;  c01a62c5 get_request+29/54
   5:   c7 01 00 00 00 00 movl   $0x0,(%ecx)
Code;  c01a62cb get_request+2f/54
   b:   c7 41 04 00 00 00 00  movl   $0x0,0x4(%ecx)
Code;  c01a62d2 get_request+36/54
  12:   ff 0b decl   (%ebx)


1 warning issued.  Results may not be reliable.



Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Dieter Nützel
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 16:28 schrieb Ross Vandegrift:
 On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:20:26PM -0500, James Thompson wrote:
  I am a visual artist and musician.

 Check out the document at
 http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/ALSA_JACK_ARDOUR.html.  There a
 section that benchmarks various filesystems for their latency.  The
 short story is that Reiserfs wins handily over Ext2, Ext3, and FAT32
 (duh!  why would someone test that...).  Unfortunately, there's no
 comparison between Reiser/JFS/XFS.  I think that would be more of a fair
 match.

XFS could win _today_ for real time (granted video bandwidth, for which it 
was designed in the first place), but this could change (compensate) with the 
latest ReiserFS 3.x patches (data logging) and finally Reiser4 (see the 
Reiser Homepage).

 Anyhow though, for general low-latency multimedia work, ReiserFS looks
 like it's a good choice.

Yes.

Go with low-latency _and_ preemption patches (try Gentoo, it has it all).
I did beta testing for Robert Love (MontaVista) for ages and it is _the way to 
go_ for multi media machines.

Greetings,
Dieter

-- 
Dieter Nützel
Graduate Student, Computer Science

University of Hamburg
Department of Computer Science
@home: Dieter.Nuetzel at hamburg.de (replace at with @)



Re: UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE THANKS - add a footer, please

2003-01-29 Thread Alexander Lyamin
Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:14:11AM +0100, Szabolcs Szasz wrote:
  You're using Ximian Evolution:
View - MessageDisplay - ShowFullHeaders
 
 Few people ever see those headers. Having 
 full headers on is not a realistic assumption,
 ESPECIALLY NOT for those (mostly beginners), 
 who have unsubscribe problems.
 
 A footer, maybe?

instructions on web-site.
much more realistical.
including auto-helpdesk and my address for especially
tough cases.

:)
 
 Sab

-- 
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Lex Lyamin



Re: Oh no! Not again!

2003-01-29 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
OK. So I built the latest reiserfsck as a static binary,
and ran it with --rebuild-tree, and I got an infinite loop
just like previously. In case anyone cares, I have kept the logfile for it.
Is there anything that interests you about that failure,
or should I promptly reformat the disk?

Also, does any of you have any hint as to how to identify the failure
that led to this crash? I suspect either the disk or the motherboard,
but it's hard to tell: booting on my 80MB rescue disk works well,
whereas the disk looks like it works correctly on another machine,
and does not issue errors even on that machine, if I don't use DMA.
Really weird. What scares me is that if I don't identify the problem,
a similar crash may happen again...

Cheers!

[ François-René ÐVB Rideau | ReflectionCybernethics | http://fare.tunes.org ]
[  TUNES project for a Free Reflective Computing System  | http://tunes.org  ]
Demand the establishment of the government in its rightful home at Disneyland.



Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Dieter Nützel
Am Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2003 19:16 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:20:26 EST, James Thompson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  said:
  ... I have done much research in the field of computer /hardware/
  suitable for commercial Digital Content Creation (P4 Xeon; Wildcat
  graphics; ART's PURE raytracing PCI render board, etc. ...) and now

 Hmm.. so we're looking at high-end rendering, which is usually a CPU hog.

   1. Kernel Patches - pre-empt and low latency;

 so I'm not clear on why you're worried about low latency?  Remember that
 it *does* come with an overhead

What? --- Sorry, quantify it. I can't.
All low latency and pre-emption tests have showed _improved_ throughput (Yes) 
and much better multi media (video/audio) experience ;-)
No measurable overhead an single and SMP systems (both Athlon).
That's why it is in 2.5/2.6.

 - the low-latency stuff is good if you're
 more concerned about fast response than total system load (for instance,
 on my laptop I'm willing to give up 5% of the CPU if it makes the X server
 run perceivably  faster.  If I was doing a lot of rendering, I'd want that
 5% for user cycles.

But you want to have the much better task switching behavior together with 
the brand new O(1) scheduler.

 Could you be more specific regarding what sort of content you are making?
 (i.e. single frame images suitable for monitor display (1600x1200 and
 smaller), or large-format for high-resolution printing (posters, etc), or
 video, etc..) The resources needed to produce a 10-minute video clip are
 different from the things you'll need to produce a 4 foot x 5 foot poster
 at 600DPI.

You mean single vs 2-/4-/8-/etc. (NUMA) SMP systems or even clusters? ;-)

Greetings,
Dieter

-- 
Dieter Nützel
Graduate Student, Computer Science

University of Hamburg
Department of Computer Science
@home: Dieter.Nuetzel at hamburg.de (replace at with @)




Re: What Filesystem?

2003-01-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:43:38 +0100, Dieter =?iso-8859-1?q?N=FCtzel?= said:

 All low latency and pre-emption tests have showed _improved_ throughput (Yes)
 
 and much better multi media (video/audio) experience ;-)
 No measurable overhead an single and SMP systems (both Athlon).
 That's why it is in 2.5/2.6.

Yes, but my *point* was that if the box is busy doing a 5-hour rendering
job, the low-latency *wont make a difference*.  If you're doing audio work
or video captures, yes the low-latency/preempt stuff will help.  If you're
in a single thread that's CPU-bound, there's no need to go installing 2.5
to get it.

 But you want to have the much better task switching behavior together with 
 the brand new O(1) scheduler.

You want that *if* the actual load will benefit from it.  See my comment
above about rendering...

 You mean single vs 2-/4-/8-/etc. (NUMA) SMP systems or even clusters? ;-)

Some things are doable with a single CPU, some things need the NUMA stuff,
other things can use a Beowulf.  Thus the need to quantify what the actual
requirements are.  Video editing will bottleneck on different things than
photorealistic rendering of graphics.

-- 
Valdis Kletnieks
Computer Systems Senior Engineer
Virginia Tech




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Re: Oh no! Not again!

2003-01-29 Thread Vitaly Fertman
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 22:31, Francois-Rene Rideau wrote:
 OK. So I built the latest reiserfsck as a static binary,
 and ran it with --rebuild-tree, and I got an infinite loop
 just like previously. In case anyone cares, I have kept the logfile for it.
 Is there anything that interests you about that failure,
 or should I promptly reformat the disk?

Did you run the fsck (booted from /boot) when the drive was in that other
mashine you had no problem with or in the problem one? It is a bad idea to 
run reiserfsck on a broken hardware - the result is unpredictable. 

 Also, does any of you have any hint as to how to identify the failure
 that led to this crash? I suspect either the disk or the motherboard,

If you do not see any problem with the disk when you put it into another 
computer - it is not the disk. It can be IDE controller, cable...

 but it's hard to tell: booting on my 80MB rescue disk works well,
 whereas the disk looks like it works correctly on another machine,
 and does not issue errors even on that machine, if I don't use DMA.
 Really weird. What scares me is that if I don't identify the problem,
 a similar crash may happen again...

 Cheers!

 [ François-René ÐVB Rideau | ReflectionCybernethics |
 http://fare.tunes.org ] [  TUNES project for a Free Reflective Computing
 System  | http://tunes.org  ] Demand the establishment of the government in
 its rightful home at Disneyland.

-- 

Thanks,
Vitaly Fertman



Re: Fwd: Re: Segmentation Fault when mounting ataraid

2003-01-29 Thread Oleg Drokin
Hello!

On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:38:16PM +0300, Hans Reiser wrote:

 Well, that certainly looks like a bug in mount options parsing code.  
 Edward and Oleg, please review and fix.

There is another decoded output that makes much more sence to me.
And it suggest something gone wrong within block layer.
(And in the one you are referring to parse_options's address is only
stored in registers, not in bactrace. Also starting from 2.4.20,
there is no function named parse_optinos in reiserfs code).

Bye,
Oleg



Re: Segmentation Fault when mounting ataraid

2003-01-29 Thread Oleg Drokin
Hello!

On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:32:31PM +0100, Jochen Haemmerle wrote:

 So, here it comes again!
 Don't care about the warning this is the machine the errror occures!
 I hope someone understands that sh*** because I don't!!!

Ok, looks like __make_request tries to call get_request, and there is something
wrong with request queue.

 Yesterday I've patched my Kernel to 2.4.21-pre3. The bug does not appear!
 It seems to be only a bug of the 2.4.20 (on 2.4.19 it works too...as I 
 allready mentioned here)

Well, that probably means there was some bug in 2.4.20, that is now fixed in
ataraid code path in later kernel, I presume.
Though I quckly scanned changelogs and see nothing related.

Bye,
Oleg