Re: [kde-release-team] kio-extras into applications
El Dilluns, 13 de juliol de 2015, a les 10:18:26, Jonathan Riddell va escriure: > Seems to be consensus on moving it to Applications. What's the best module > in projects.kde.org? kde/network? This needs resolution in less than 4 days. Somebody act on it *now* or I won't release it with KDE Applications. Cheers, Albert > > Jonathan > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:00:31PM +0200, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? > > > > Jonathan > > ___ > > release-team mailing list > > release-team@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > > ___ > release-team mailing list > release-team@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: [kde-release-team] kio-extras into applications
Seems to be consensus on moving it to Applications. What's the best module in projects.kde.org? kde/network? Jonathan On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:00:31PM +0200, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? > > Jonathan > ___ > release-team mailing list > release-team@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:59 PM, David Faure wrote: > Yes, that would make sense. *That* one is very much a workspace thing. Move is done now http://commits.kde.org/plasma-workspace/6f94dcc98ffa31936dfe4777f9b2d3f3e77f1d65 http://commits.kde.org/kio-extras/53e313b1e28d0cf0e97416c923bb754e648f037c -- Bhushan Shah http://bhush9.github.io IRC Nick : bshah on Freenode ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Sunday 05 July 2015 16:20:52 Eike Hein wrote: > kio-extras also contains the desktop:// kioslave, which > is the default URL configured in Folder View. > > Do we want to move it out of k-e into plasma-workspace, > perhaps? Yes, that would make sense. *That* one is very much a workspace thing. -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Working on KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
kio-extras also contains the desktop:// kioslave, which is the default URL configured in Folder View. Do we want to move it out of k-e into plasma-workspace, perhaps? Cheers, Eike ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
El Dijous, 2 de juliol de 2015, a les 02:39:58, Alexander Potashev va escriure: > 2015-07-02 2:10 GMT+03:00 Albert Astals Cid : > > El Dimarts, 30 de juny de 2015, a les 16:45:18, Alexander Potashev va > > > > escriure: > >> Same question for kross-interpreters. Its Qt5/KF5 version hasn't been > >> released yet and it should probably go through a review process, but > >> it's still unclear if it fits KDE Applications. KDE SC 4.x contained > >> kross-interpreters, but I'm not sure if this was the best decision. > > > > Is there anything in Plasma or KF5 that needs kross-interpreters? (I guess > > not since otherwise it'd be failing now) If not we can just release it > > with KDE Applications. If there is potentially a reason for Plasma to use > > it, i'd say move the release to KF5, since really what do you need kross > > for if you kross for if you don't have any interpreter to do stuff? > > Albert, > > OK, adding kross-interpreters into KA5 would work. I was just thinking > it doesn't really belong to "KDE Applications": any > application/product using Kross may benefit from kross-interpreters. yeah the name of "KDE Applications" is not the best ever, we also release libraries in there, but it's the least worst we could come up with :D Cheers, Albert > > kross-interpreters is only a run-time dependency, that's why nobody > noticed it was missing (except for may be people who use Lokalize KF5 > and expect Python scripts to work.) Even if Plasma starts using Kross, > this doesn't imply that kross-interprers should be released with > Plasma. > > >> Can we release kio-extras and kross-interpreters separately from KA5 and > >> KP5? > > > > The more releases the more complex stuff gets, let's try not to. > > Okay, not this time ;) ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:38:24 David Faure wrote: > On Thursday 02 July 2015 13:07:45 Alexander Potashev wrote: > > 2015-07-02 12:54 GMT+03:00 Sebastian Kügler : > > > If for example I want to use fish:// for my desktop folderview, I'd have > > > to install something from applications. That's what I meant. > > Yes, and you also need to install something from applications if you want > to edit that image file that you see in folderview. You see it as a very > different thing because one is a plugin and one is an application, but to > the end user, it's both "need something more, install something more", very > broadly speaking. > > I think you also need to install something from applications if you want to > read the help file for desktop folderview > > > Nitpicking: there are application outside of KDE Application that let > > you access fish://, for example Krusader. > > You are both right, no contradiction there. > > > But still, there is nothing wrong in installing only kio-extras from > > KDE Applications and nothing else from it. > > Yep. On the other hand, telling people to install a part of Plasma to get > fish:// support in kwrite sounds very wrong to me. > > > > Surely it does, as soon as an app developer wants to integrate a > > > specific > > > protocol for their app (and not just "any" protocol, like KIO), then > > > this > > > would be needed. I imagine getting something from a webdav server, or > > > storing a file on a specific backup service.) > > > > If an app developer wants to integrate WebDAV with the help of KIO, > > then kio-extras will be a run-time dependency, so there's absolutely > > no reason for having kio-extras in Frameworks. > > Bad example, since WebDAV is implemented by kio_http which is in kio itself > > But yeah, you could come up with a case where an application developer > specifically needs a particular kioslave as the central piece of the > application; in such case I could actually be convinced to add it to > kio.git, provided that it doesn't add dependencies. Or as you say, that's > just a matter of documenting a runtime dependency. I'm sure we have other > cases of apps that need each other at runtime... Thanks, that's useful information, and a possible strategy for improvement should that case arise. I'm OK with moving kio-extras into applications. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Thursday 02 July 2015 13:07:45 Alexander Potashev wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > Please find my comments below. > > 2015-07-02 12:54 GMT+03:00 Sebastian Kügler : > > If for example I want to use fish:// for my desktop folderview, I'd have > > to install something from applications. That's what I meant. Yes, and you also need to install something from applications if you want to edit that image file that you see in folderview. You see it as a very different thing because one is a plugin and one is an application, but to the end user, it's both "need something more, install something more", very broadly speaking. I think you also need to install something from applications if you want to read the help file for desktop folderview :-) > Nitpicking: there are application outside of KDE Application that let > you access fish://, for example Krusader. You are both right, no contradiction there. > But still, there is nothing wrong in installing only kio-extras from > KDE Applications and nothing else from it. Yep. On the other hand, telling people to install a part of Plasma to get fish:// support in kwrite sounds very wrong to me. > >> I am not opposed to having it in frameworks if that's the consensus, but > >> I > >> find it arguable. It brings features to users (like apps), not to > >> application developers (like frameworks). > > > > Surely it does, as soon as an app developer wants to integrate a specific > > protocol for their app (and not just "any" protocol, like KIO), then this > > would be needed. I imagine getting something from a webdav server, or > > storing a file on a specific backup service.) > > If an app developer wants to integrate WebDAV with the help of KIO, > then kio-extras will be a run-time dependency, so there's absolutely > no reason for having kio-extras in Frameworks. Bad example, since WebDAV is implemented by kio_http which is in kio itself :-) But yeah, you could come up with a case where an application developer specifically needs a particular kioslave as the central piece of the application; in such case I could actually be convinced to add it to kio.git, provided that it doesn't add dependencies. Or as you say, that's just a matter of documenting a runtime dependency. I'm sure we have other cases of apps that need each other at runtime... -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Working on KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
Hi Sebastian, Please find my comments below. 2015-07-02 12:54 GMT+03:00 Sebastian Kügler : > If for example I want to use fish:// for my desktop folderview, I'd have to > install something from applications. That's what I meant. Nitpicking: there are application outside of KDE Application that let you access fish://, for example Krusader. But still, there is nothing wrong in installing only kio-extras from KDE Applications and nothing else from it. >> I am not opposed to having it in frameworks if that's the consensus, but I >> find it arguable. It brings features to users (like apps), not to >> application developers (like frameworks). > > Surely it does, as soon as an app developer wants to integrate a specific > protocol for their app (and not just "any" protocol, like KIO), then this > would be needed. I imagine getting something from a webdav server, or storing > a file on a specific backup service.) If an app developer wants to integrate WebDAV with the help of KIO, then kio-extras will be a run-time dependency, so there's absolutely no reason for having kio-extras in Frameworks. -- Alexander Potashev ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:34:56 David Faure wrote: > On Tuesday 30 June 2015 11:03:21 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:00:31 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > > > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > > > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > > > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > > > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? > > > > > > > > Doesn't this give us the same problem, only the other way around? > > I don't see that. You install a Plasma desktop. Then you need a text > editor, you install kwrite. Then you need support for sftp://, you install > kio-extras. The latter integrates with the desktop differently than the > former, but other than that, it's all about additional features at runtime, > which you can install from KDE Applications, no matter which > workspace/desktop you're using. If for example I want to use fish:// for my desktop folderview, I'd have to install something from applications. That's what I meant. > I strongly believe kio-extras should be in applications. I have no strong preference, was just wondering how it makes the situation better. (Ok, maybe the example I gave is very power-usery, so it may indeed be more widely used by apps, but it's not really an apps-specific thing, more something like a runtime extension for possibly everything.) > I am not opposed to having it in frameworks if that's the consensus, but I > find it arguable. It brings features to users (like apps), not to > application developers (like frameworks). Surely it does, as soon as an app developer wants to integrate a specific protocol for their app (and not just "any" protocol, like KIO), then this would be needed. I imagine getting something from a webdav server, or storing a file on a specific backup service.) Don't count this as veto, just food for thought, please. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Tuesday 30 June 2015 11:03:21 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:00:31 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? > > Doesn't this give us the same problem, only the other way around? I don't see that. You install a Plasma desktop. Then you need a text editor, you install kwrite. Then you need support for sftp://, you install kio-extras. The latter integrates with the desktop differently than the former, but other than that, it's all about additional features at runtime, which you can install from KDE Applications, no matter which workspace/desktop you're using. I strongly believe kio-extras should be in applications. I am not opposed to having it in frameworks if that's the consensus, but I find it arguable. It brings features to users (like apps), not to application developers (like frameworks). -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, http://www.davidfaure.fr Working on KDE Frameworks 5 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
2015-07-02 2:10 GMT+03:00 Albert Astals Cid : > El Dimarts, 30 de juny de 2015, a les 16:45:18, Alexander Potashev va > escriure: >> Same question for kross-interpreters. Its Qt5/KF5 version hasn't been >> released yet and it should probably go through a review process, but >> it's still unclear if it fits KDE Applications. KDE SC 4.x contained >> kross-interpreters, but I'm not sure if this was the best decision. > > Is there anything in Plasma or KF5 that needs kross-interpreters? (I guess not > since otherwise it'd be failing now) If not we can just release it with KDE > Applications. If there is potentially a reason for Plasma to use it, i'd say > move the release to KF5, since really what do you need kross for if you kross > for if you don't have any interpreter to do stuff? Albert, OK, adding kross-interpreters into KA5 would work. I was just thinking it doesn't really belong to "KDE Applications": any application/product using Kross may benefit from kross-interpreters. kross-interpreters is only a run-time dependency, that's why nobody noticed it was missing (except for may be people who use Lokalize KF5 and expect Python scripts to work.) Even if Plasma starts using Kross, this doesn't imply that kross-interprers should be released with Plasma. >> Can we release kio-extras and kross-interpreters separately from KA5 and >> KP5? > > The more releases the more complex stuff gets, let's try not to. Okay, not this time ;) -- Alexander Potashev ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
El Dimarts, 30 de juny de 2015, a les 16:45:18, Alexander Potashev va escriure: > 2015-06-30 13:00 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Riddell : > > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? > > Hi, > > Same question for kross-interpreters. Its Qt5/KF5 version hasn't been > released yet and it should probably go through a review process, but > it's still unclear if it fits KDE Applications. KDE SC 4.x contained > kross-interpreters, but I'm not sure if this was the best decision. Is there anything in Plasma or KF5 that needs kross-interpreters? (I guess not since otherwise it'd be failing now) If not we can just release it with KDE Applications. If there is potentially a reason for Plasma to use it, i'd say move the release to KF5, since really what do you need kross for if you kross for if you don't have any interpreter to do stuff? > > Can we release kio-extras and kross-interpreters separately from KA5 and > KP5? The more releases the more complex stuff gets, let's try not to. Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
El Dimarts, 30 de juny de 2015, a les 11:03:21, Sebastian Kügler va escriure: > On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:00:31 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? > > Doesn't this give us the same problem, only the other way around? As i said before, move them to KF5, anyone remembers why that was not deemed as a good idea? Cheers, Albert ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
2015-06-30 13:00 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Riddell : > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? Hi, Same question for kross-interpreters. Its Qt5/KF5 version hasn't been released yet and it should probably go through a review process, but it's still unclear if it fits KDE Applications. KDE SC 4.x contained kross-interpreters, but I'm not sure if this was the best decision. Can we release kio-extras and kross-interpreters separately from KA5 and KP5? -- Alexander Potashev ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
Re: kio-extras into applications
On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:00:31 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned > so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. > kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of > Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use > Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? Doesn't this give us the same problem, only the other way around? -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
kio-extras into applications
Plasma 5.3.2 is out and in August the 3 releases are closely aligned so it's a chance to move things about while minimising the overlap. kio-extras has been suggested to be moved to Applications instead of Plasma as it's needed by people who use Applications but don't use Plasma. Should I request the move and into which sub-module? Jonathan ___ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
