[Repeater-Builder] ID this Board....

2004-05-30 Thread XE2SI





Wonder if somebody can help in id this 
board: YLN4017A, it is in a Mitrek T74 radio.
Thanks in advance
JT
 
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] ID this Board....

2004-05-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
The YLN4017A is listed as "BD BUSCOM AUDIO INTFC" and is priced at
$115.33, but I have never seen one in use.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] ID this Board....

2004-05-30 Thread XE2SI





Thank you Eric, this is also the first 
time i see this board even i have seen 100's
of Mitreks, i can't find also any info on 
the manuals i have, will try to draw a 
schematic from it and try to figure what 
it does
JT

  - Mensaje original - 
  De: Eric Lemmon 
  Para: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Enviado: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:25 
  PM
  Asunto: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ID this 
  Board
  The YLN4017A is listed as "BD BUSCOM AUDIO INTFC" and is priced 
  at$115.33, but I have never seen one in use.73, Eric Lemmon 
  WB6FLY













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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz

2004-05-30 Thread Paul Finch
Neil,

I once moved a Motorola Sensicon "A" receiver from 173 to 121 MHz for some
reason I can't remember why in the world I modified to that frequency. it's
been so long ago but it worked fine.  It took a little work and I changed
the number of times the oscillator multiplier multiplied to get the
injection but other than that it was just working with the front end to get
it down.

Paul
WB5IDM



-Original Message-
From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 4:51 PM
To: Repeater Builder
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz



  Any one on here ever convert any Motorola Motrac, Micor, Mitrek or
 Mocom-70 receivers to 121.5 MHz

  Or GE Mastr-Pro, Exec, Mastr II or Exec II receivers to 121.5 MHz?

  I have one to several of each mentioned above.

  Thank you,

  Neil - WA6KLA






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz

2004-05-30 Thread Paul Finch
Tom,

Like I said in the earlier email there was some reason I moved one to
somewhere that frequency, pretty sure it was some kind of NASA link from
orbiting aircraft and it was FM, not AM.

Paul
WB5IDM




-Original Message-
From: Tom Manning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 7:13 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz


Neil
I hope you know 121.5mhz is AM.  The receivers you quote are all FM
I believe.  As you may know the 121.5mhz frequency is emergency
primarily for aircraft.  Sometimes you  can hear interesting things on
this and 243.0mhz which is military aircraft emergency frequency.
73's de Tom Manning, AF4UG

Neil McKie wrote:

>   Any one on here ever convert any Motorola Motrac, Micor, Mitrek or
>  Mocom-70 receivers to 121.5 MHz
>
>   Or GE Mastr-Pro, Exec, Mastr II or Exec II receivers to 121.5 MHz?
>
>   I have one to several of each mentioned above.
>
>   Thank you,
>
>   Neil - WA6KLA
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz

2004-05-30 Thread Neil McKie

  I think I got rid of all of my Sensicon 'A's a very long time ago. 

  Perhaps Mike Morris still has some in his garage museum.  If you 
 don't believe me, you really need to go look or have Mike take 
 pictures of it. 

  Now that you mention it, I do remember someone seriously padding 
 those capacitor disks on the bottom of the front-end strip lines 
 moving that front end somewhere ... been a long time ago though ... 

  Thanks for your input, 

  Neil 

Paul Finch wrote:
> 
> Neil,
> 
> I once moved a Motorola Sensicon "A" receiver from 173 to 121 MHz 
> for some reason I can't remember why in the world I modified to 
> that frequency. it's been so long ago but it worked fine.  It took 
> a little work and I changed the number of times the oscillator 
> multiplier multiplied to get the injection but other than that it 
> was just working with the front end to get it down.
> 
> Paul
> WB5IDM
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil McKie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 4:51 PM
> To: Repeater Builder
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz
> 
>   Any one on here ever convert any Motorola Motrac, Micor, Mitrek or
>  Mocom-70 receivers to 121.5 MHz
> 
>   Or GE Mastr-Pro, Exec, Mastr II or Exec II receivers to 121.5 MHz?
> 
>   I have one to several of each mentioned above.
> 
>   Thank you,
> 
>   Neil - WA6KLA
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Slightly off kilter...121.5 MHz

2004-05-30 Thread Al Wolfe
Neil,
One very serious issue with what you are considering is that of the
severe limiting that takes place in an FM receiver's IF stages. The purpose
of this limiting is to remove the AM component of the incoming signal. Even
if you feed an AM detector in parallel with the discriminator you won't get
much detected AM signal out of it.
It would be much simpler to find an old scanner with aircraft band at a
garage sale or flee market. Or you could maybe find an old Narco or other
commercial A/C receiver on ebay or somewhere. I have had some surplus
crystal controlled FAA receivers in the past (tube type) that worked OK for
monitoring a fixed channel.
You might check with some local CAP types and see what they suggest.
There are many options out there but converting an FM receiver to AM is
going to be a stretch.

Good luck,
Al, K9SI


>Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 14:50:30 -0700
>From: Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Slightly off kilter ... 121.5 MHz
>
>
>   Any one on here ever convert any Motorola Motrac, Micor, Mitrek or
>  Mocom-70 receivers to 121.5 MHz
>
>   Or GE Mastr-Pro, Exec, Mastr II or Exec II receivers to 121.5 MHz?
>
>   I have one to several of each mentioned above.
>
>   Thank you,
>
>   Neil - WA6KLA






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] ID this Board....

2004-05-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
You're welcome!  Since the YLN4017A board is still an active part number
with Motorola, perhaps you can get the information you seek by calling
Parts ID at 800-422-4210 and asking for the manual number that covers
YLN4017A.  The clerk will advise you of the complete manuals that
include the information for that board, but you will not be able to buy
just the sheets for the board alone.  In other words, you will have to
buy the service manual for a particular radio or station, just to get
the sheets you need.  However, that might be a very good investment,
because you may find that other boards/modules are included within that
manual, that are useful to you.  Since there may be several manuals that
include the information for the YLN4017A board, be careful to buy the
one that is the best value.  Good luck in your quest.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY




 
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[Repeater-Builder] Crossband Simplex Repeater

2004-05-30 Thread s_alajeel
hi all can any one tell me how set 2 radios back 2 back to do 
uhf/vhf Crossband Simplex Repeater
 






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Need Help locating Schematics

2004-05-30 Thread Scott Miller
Help need Schematics for a Systron Donor Spectrum Analyzer, Mod # 762-1. I
need the Schematics for the Microwave Tuning Unit Model 809-1?

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[Repeater-Builder] IC-2720 as crossband repeater base?

2004-05-30 Thread grizzarv
Evening.  Rob, KG7YY, here.

I bought an Icom IC-2720 for the sake of its crossband repeater
capability, and would like to use it in that role with my 440 MHz HT as
the mobile/control element.  Other Icoms had DTMF decoders available;
the 2720 does not.  Additionally, there is the matter of IDing on the 
control link from the radio.

Has anyone else on this list done anything with this radio to add control 
and ID features to it when it's in its crossband mode?

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[Repeater-Builder] WTT: Mirage B3016 2 Mtr Amp for 2 Mtr Repeater Amp

2004-05-30 Thread w9mwq
Several people responded to my need for an amp, and thought we had 
one donated, however turns out it was no count, good intentions on 
the gentleman's part.  As funds are low for the reapeater project, I 
would like to entertain a trade on a full duty cycle 2 meter 
repeater amp, 5 watts or less drive with 100 watts out for my Mirage 
B3016 2 Meter Mobile Amp with control Head.  If interested please 
let me know.  Amp must be shippable.  Thanks.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom WP-641, correction on its specs...

2004-05-30 Thread Ron Stordahl N5IN
1)  Yes the intention is to put both 147.09tx/147.69rx and APRS 
packet 144.39 on the same antenna.
2)  The WP-641 is spec'd for 500 KHz separation, and works very well 
at 600 KHz separation.  The repeater is very sensitive, apparently 
little desense.  It's a high power Micor cranked down to 75 watts.  
The packet 144.39 is a lower power Micor cranked down to 30 watts.  
We have other sites using the WP-641 successfully as 2 meter voice 
repeaters (600 KHz separation).
3)  Eric's suggestion that I try adding to the WP-641 by putting two 
additional band pass cavities before the 147.690 receiver and tee'ing 
the antenna off to the packet radio with two band pass cavities 
(144.39) would be something I am tempted to try.

In my original posting I said I had 3 DB products bandpass cavities, 
but checking further I actually have 4 of them.

In my earlier posting I noted that they were old DB Products 
rectangular bandpass cavitites (4.5" square by 21" high).

If anyone has any specs on it would be appreciated.

But since these are only band pass and not band pass/band reject I 
would guess the 147.09 tx might severely impace the 144.39 receiver?

Any suggestion on improving the reject?

Again if all else fails I have a set of WP-639's which I could split, 
2 cans on the 147.69 receive and two on the 144.39 packet.  These are 
bpbr cans but I had another use for them...maybe Ill have to use them.

Does this stuff ever show up on e-bay?

Ron N5IN 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I own several sets of Wacom 641's, so I'll correct Eric's figures.  
The 
> Wacom 641 is a 4 cavity BpBr duplexer using 8 inch cans.
> 
> Eric Lemmon wrote:
> 
> >A 2m repeater on 147.090/147.690, with a 50 watt transmitter and a 
0.35 uV receiver generally requires about 88 dB of isolation for no 
desense.  The WP-641 duplexer is rated at 85 dB,
> >
> 
> While the WP-641 is rated at 85 dB, that spec is at the highband 
> literature standard of 500 kiloHertz separation, not 600 kc as 
> referenced above, when used on a 2 meter repeater.
> 
> >but most can manage only 80-83 dB.
> >
> 
> Incorrect,  Wacom specified the WP-641 at 90 dB isolation at 600 
kc, but 
> they will actually manage 93 dB with careful tuning. 
> 93 dB will allow a 100 watt 2 meter repeater to properly work using 
a 
> .35 uV (-116 dBm) receiver.  A *good* repeater like a Micor or 
Mastr II 
> (read less than typical transmitter side band noise) will allow a 
100 
> watt repeater operate properly with a factory preamp (-125 dBm) 
> receiver.  Granted, this is its limit, but that isn't too bad 
considering.
> 
> A Tube Type amplifier (GE 4EF5A1) or PLL exciter and solid state PA 
will 
> allow about 250 watts to be duplexed using the Wacom WP-641.
> 
> These specifications can be backed up from the factory literature 
> available here:
> http://www.repeater-builder.com/pdf/wp641.pdf
> 
> Maybe Eric was thinking of the WP-639 duplexer that uses 4, 5 inch 
> cans?  His figures would be much closer
> 
> Kevin Custer





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crossband Simplex Repeater

2004-05-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

BESIDES GENERAL OPTION THAT CAN BE SUGGESTED "STICK A PAIR OF RADIOS TOGETHER 
USING ___"LET ME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO REFINE THE RESPONSE.

WHAT RADIOS DO YOU PLAN TO USE ? OR DO YOU NEED A SUGGESTION 
WHAT BANDS DO YOU WANT TO LINK ?  COMMERCIAL, HAM, PUBLIC SAFETY ?
WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEMS DO YOU PLAN TO CROSSBAND ? CONVENTIONAL REPEATERS, SIMPLEX 
FREQUENCIES, TRUNKED SYSTEM TALKGROUPS ?
WHAT IS THE INTENDED COVERAGE AREA ?
THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS USING EITHER HAND-HELD RADIOS, MOBILE RADIOS, BASE 
STATIONS & REPEATERS OR COMPLEX DEVICES LIKE THE JPS SWITCH. 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crossband Simplex Repeater

2004-05-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
My view is that a crossband repeater is not a simplex repeater.  If you
are going to operate in the Amateur Radio bands, you can use a dual-band
transceiver with the cross-band repeat function, such as Alinco's
DR-605T.  In the commercial bands, you can use Link Communications'
TCB-1 Tactical Communications Bridge to connect two radios together. 
Motorola offers several cross-band repeaters that comprise a R.I.C.K.
and two mobile radios in a box with a power supply.  The R.I.C.K.
interfaces two radios such as the GM300, M1225, SM50/120, or CDM750.

You can use a "simplex repeater controller" such as Zetron's Model 19B
Simplexor, but voice storage and playback is unnecessary in cross-band
operation.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

s_alajeel wrote:
> 
> hi all can any one tell me how set 2 radios back 2 back to do
> uhf/vhf Crossband Simplex Repeater
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom WP-641, correction on its specs...

2004-05-30 Thread Steve S. Bosshard \(NU5D\)
Lloyd built a 2M RPTR / Packet Combiner using a 641 plus 2 additional 8"
cavities.

I have one similar in Rockdale, TX with a Fire Repeater, plus a 155.280 EMS
simplex channel.  Maybe TX/RX or John Elliot in Waco may have the plans.

SSB







 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom WP-641, correction on its specs...

2004-05-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, they show up on ebay regularly. You should be able to find a 4-Cavity
WACOMs for around $400 and 6-cavity ones for no more than $500-550. There
were some at Dayton for $300-$400, as well. Check with your local U.S.
Forest Service radio shop - they've been getting rid of lots of the
6-cavity ones for almost giveaway prices (and sometimes they are actually
giving them away).
LJ


Original Message:
-
From: Ron Stordahl N5IN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:37:45 -
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom WP-641, correction on its specs...


1)  Yes the intention is to put both 147.09tx/147.69rx and APRS 
packet 144.39 on the same antenna.
2)  The WP-641 is spec'd for 500 KHz separation, and works very well 
at 600 KHz separation.  The repeater is very sensitive, apparently 
little desense.  It's a high power Micor cranked down to 75 watts.  
The packet 144.39 is a lower power Micor cranked down to 30 watts.  
We have other sites using the WP-641 successfully as 2 meter voice 
repeaters (600 KHz separation).
3)  Eric's suggestion that I try adding to the WP-641 by putting two 
additional band pass cavities before the 147.690 receiver and tee'ing 
the antenna off to the packet radio with two band pass cavities 
(144.39) would be something I am tempted to try.

In my original posting I said I had 3 DB products bandpass cavities, 
but checking further I actually have 4 of them.

In my earlier posting I noted that they were old DB Products 
rectangular bandpass cavitites (4.5" square by 21" high).

If anyone has any specs on it would be appreciated.

But since these are only band pass and not band pass/band reject I 
would guess the 147.09 tx might severely impace the 144.39 receiver?

Any suggestion on improving the reject?

Again if all else fails I have a set of WP-639's which I could split, 
2 cans on the 147.69 receive and two on the 144.39 packet.  These are 
bpbr cans but I had another use for them...maybe Ill have to use them.

Does this stuff ever show up on e-bay?

Ron N5IN 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I own several sets of Wacom 641's, so I'll correct Eric's figures.  
The 
> Wacom 641 is a 4 cavity BpBr duplexer using 8 inch cans.
> 
> Eric Lemmon wrote:
> 
> >A 2m repeater on 147.090/147.690, with a 50 watt transmitter and a 
0.35 uV receiver generally requires about 88 dB of isolation for no 
desense.  The WP-641 duplexer is rated at 85 dB,
> >
> 
> While the WP-641 is rated at 85 dB, that spec is at the highband 
> literature standard of 500 kiloHertz separation, not 600 kc as 
> referenced above, when used on a 2 meter repeater.
> 
> >but most can manage only 80-83 dB.
> >
> 
> Incorrect,  Wacom specified the WP-641 at 90 dB isolation at 600 
kc, but 
> they will actually manage 93 dB with careful tuning. 
> 93 dB will allow a 100 watt 2 meter repeater to properly work using 
a 
> .35 uV (-116 dBm) receiver.  A *good* repeater like a Micor or 
Mastr II 
> (read less than typical transmitter side band noise) will allow a 
100 
> watt repeater operate properly with a factory preamp (-125 dBm) 
> receiver.  Granted, this is its limit, but that isn't too bad 
considering.
> 
> A Tube Type amplifier (GE 4EF5A1) or PLL exciter and solid state PA 
will 
> allow about 250 watts to be duplexed using the Wacom WP-641.
> 
> These specifications can be backed up from the factory literature 
> available here:
> http://www.repeater-builder.com/pdf/wp641.pdf
> 
> Maybe Eric was thinking of the WP-639 duplexer that uses 4, 5 inch 
> cans?  His figures would be much closer
> 
> Kevin Custer





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom WP-641, correction on its specs...

2004-05-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
Ron,

My suggestion wasn't really to tee both radios together, but to minimize
interference between them if you used separate antennas that were
relatively close to each other.

To combine two systems into one antenna poses some significant
challenges.  Were this a commercial installation with the money to pay
for the equipment, a cavity/ferrite or cavity/hybrid combiner would
probably be used, along with a cavity multicoupler.  A commercial
installation usually combines the transmitters into one antenna, with
the receivers all fed from a multicoupler.  But, that's not the case
here, so let's boldly press on...

A bandpass cavity has far more selectivity in the "pass" function than
does a pass/reject cavity, so you might be able to tee the packet radio
into the antenna used by the repeater- if you use two or three
sharply-tuned bandpass cavities on the packet.  In order to achieve
optimum isolation, the loops on each bandpass cavity should be adjusted
so that the VSWR and return loss is the same in both directions.  Don't
go overboard on the loop settings;  the performance of two cavities each
set at 0.5 dB is better than one cavity set at 1.0 dB.  The jumpers
between cavities must be cut so that the match is maintained between
cavities.

Try it and see.  You might find that you can couple the APRS without
degrading the repeater.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Ron Stordahl N5IN wrote:
> 
> 1)  Yes the intention is to put both 147.09tx/147.69rx and APRS
> packet 144.39 on the same antenna.
> 2)  The WP-641 is spec'd for 500 KHz separation, and works very well
> at 600 KHz separation.  The repeater is very sensitive, apparently
> little desense.  It's a high power Micor cranked down to 75 watts.
> The packet 144.39 is a lower power Micor cranked down to 30 watts.
> We have other sites using the WP-641 successfully as 2 meter voice
> repeaters (600 KHz separation).
> 3)  Eric's suggestion that I try adding to the WP-641 by putting two
> additional band pass cavities before the 147.690 receiver and tee'ing
> the antenna off to the packet radio with two band pass cavities
> (144.39) would be something I am tempted to try.
> 
> In my original posting I said I had 3 DB products bandpass cavities,
> but checking further I actually have 4 of them.
> 
> In my earlier posting I noted that they were old DB Products
> rectangular bandpass cavitites (4.5" square by 21" high).
> 
> If anyone has any specs on it would be appreciated.
> 
> But since these are only band pass and not band pass/band reject I
> would guess the 147.09 tx might severely impace the 144.39 receiver?
> 
> Any suggestion on improving the reject?
> 
> Again if all else fails I have a set of WP-639's which I could split,
> 2 cans on the 147.69 receive and two on the 144.39 packet.  These are
> bpbr cans but I had another use for them...maybe Ill have to use them.
> 
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> Ron N5IN
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> > I own several sets of Wacom 641's, so I'll correct Eric's figures.
> The
> > Wacom 641 is a 4 cavity BpBr duplexer using 8 inch cans.
> >
> > Eric Lemmon wrote:
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> > >A 2m repeater on 147.090/147.690, with a 50 watt transmitter and a
> 0.35 uV receiver generally requires about 88 dB of isolation for no
> desense.  The WP-641 duplexer is rated at 85 dB,
> > >
> >
> > While the WP-641 is rated at 85 dB, that spec is at the highband
> > literature standard of 500 kiloHertz separation, not 600 kc as
> > referenced above, when used on a 2 meter repeater.
> >
> > >but most can manage only 80-83 dB.
> > >
> >
> > Incorrect,  Wacom specified the WP-641 at 90 dB isolation at 600
> kc, but
> > they will actually manage 93 dB with careful tuning.
> > 93 dB will allow a 100 watt 2 meter repeater to properly work using
> a
> > .35 uV (-116 dBm) receiver.  A *good* repeater like a Micor or
> Mastr II
> > (read less than typical transmitter side band noise) will allow a
> 100
> > watt repeater operate properly with a factory preamp (-125 dBm)
> > receiver.  Granted, this is its limit, but that isn't too bad
> considering.
> >
> > A Tube Type amplifier (GE 4EF5A1) or PLL exciter and solid state PA
> will
> > allow about 250 watts to be duplexed using the Wacom WP-641.
> >
> > These specifications can be backed up from the factory literature
> > available here:
> > http://www.repeater-builder.com/pdf/wp641.pdf
> >
> > Maybe Eric was thinking of the WP-639 duplexer that uses 4, 5 inch
> > cans?  His figures would be much closer
> >
> > Kevin Custer
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need parts

2004-05-30 Thread jim

> The frequency it is for is not important.  Tell us the model such as
Micor,
> MSR2000, etc.
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> > Hi got a friend that has a Motorola Repeater and needs
> > a part as follows.
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> > The module that we need for 147.300 is Motorola part number TRN5069A,
audio
> > and squelch module


It's for an MSR2000 100 watt continuous repeater.

Yep you are right... should have said that...

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