Re: [Repeater-Builder] tait t2010

2004-07-23 Thread bradley glen
Hi Ian
Yes it is possible.
You will have to add an inexpensive additional ctcss
encoder.Link the cos of the reciever to both the
transmitter and the tone board.If you you have
experience in ctcss board installtions it should be
straight forward.After that with the help of a
schematic follow the PTT line until you can add a
simple CAPACITOR electrolitic -normalli\y on the input
to a switching opamp.

The second way is to allow the transmitter to ptt with
a tail-use the cos line to "mute" the ctcss tone in
and around the sub audible pot on the txco board.

Good luck 

Regards

Bradley Glen   ZS5WT
--- ian wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> hi guys
> i am wondering if there is a way to setup or to
> program a t2010 to transmit
> a tail without the ctcss tail on the end of a
> transmission (ie to be used as
> the transmitter in a a repeater so while the
> receiver receives a  signal it
> activates the t2010 transmitter with a ctcss ,and
> when the receive signal
> ceases the transmitter continues with a 1-2 second 
> tail without the
> ctcss ).At the moment i have 2 t2010 connected
> direct through so while a
> signal is received the transmitter transmitts with
> the ctcss
> Thank you
> Ian Wells
> Kerinvale Comaudio
> mail service 1017,
> Biloela,4715.
> www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/23/2004 01:28 PM, you wrote:
>At 12:19 PM 7/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Once again we see references to gain without the actually reference pointed
> >out.  There is a big difference between dBi (dB over an Isotropic,
> >non-existent antenna) and dBd (dB over a dipole, real antenna).
>
><---Well, 2.8 Db difference to be exact but most folks simply round it off
>to 3 Db.

Actually it's 2.1 dB.

I actually prefer dBi.  Sure, there's no such thing as an isotropic 
radiator in real life, but for some reason theoretically it makes more 
sense to me to express an antenna gain that way.  Same for ERP (actually EIRP).

>  And one correction if I may. A 1/4 wave antenna is a "real
>antenna" and many times can be used as the isotropic equivilent. A dipole
>is a 1/2 wave and demonstrates 2.8 Db over a 1/4 wave.

Then the 1/4 wave would have -0.7 dBi gain.  Doesn't sound right.  The 1/4 
wave ground plane is simply a ground-imaged dipole, & should have the same 
gain as a 1/2 wave dipole.


> >And both seem to be less than dBC (dBCushcraft - gain over a mythical
> >worse-than-isotropic reference).

An antenna's effective aperture (related to length for a colinear) 
establishes the directivity, & hence the maximum possible gain.  If an 
antenna is only 10 ft. long, it can't possibly have 7 dBi of gain at 146 MHz.

Whenever I see an antenna gain figure expressed only as dB, I assume dBi.

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[Repeater-Builder] tait t2010

2004-07-23 Thread ian wells

hi guys
i am wondering if there is a way to setup or to program a t2010 to transmit
a tail without the ctcss tail on the end of a transmission (ie to be used as
the transmitter in a a repeater so while the receiver receives a  signal it
activates the t2010 transmitter with a ctcss ,and when the receive signal
ceases the transmitter continues with a 1-2 second  tail without the
ctcss ).At the moment i have 2 t2010 connected direct through so while a
signal is received the transmitter transmitts with the ctcss
Thank you
Ian Wells
Kerinvale Comaudio
mail service 1017,
Biloela,4715.
www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread John Clark
Think Division.
A gain of zero is probably illegal anyway and subject to fines by the FCC...
:)

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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band


> Buley, Kenneth L (GE Consumer & Industrial) wrote:
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> > Gee, when did unity become equal to -0- ???
> >  
> > (Unity Gain - A gain of one. That is, the signal is output from a circuit 
> > at the same level at which it entered.)
> >>From ; 
> > http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/proaudio/homeenglish/faq/glossaries/glossarie/
> > 
> > Therefore, a gain of less than unity is still greater than -0-.
> > My question is, can there be a gain of -0- ???
> > 
> > Kenneth Buley
> > Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KE4AWY
> > Bullitt County EMA CD-2
> > Bullitt County Red Cross Disaster Communications BC-6
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> a gain of 1 equals 0dB.
> hmm...I guess a true gain of 0 would be no output for any input!
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread russ
You are not saying the real point!
It is cheap as grits!

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band


>
> That's 6 dBdl-6 dB over a dummy load...
> russ wrote:
> > If any one believes this is 6 DB then would you like to buy a bridge?
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
> >
> >
> >
> >>Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have
> >
> > one
> >
> >>on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range
,
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> >>From: "yo7mbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
> >>
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> >>>I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
> >>>schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
> >>>anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
> >>>best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
> >>>prefere an antenna that was tested.
> >>>Thank you for any advice,
> >>>yo7mbs
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Mike WA6ILQ
dbi=dbimaginary - a marketing invention that gives bigger numbers
that have no basis in real life.

Give me a proven performer like Cellwave, RFS, DB, etc. any day.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 05:29 AM 7/23/04, you wrote:

>If any one believes this is 6 DB then would you like to buy a bridge?
>
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>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
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> > Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have
>one
> > on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range ,
>I
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> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
> >
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> > > I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
> > > schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
> > > anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
> > > best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Jim B.
Buley, Kenneth L (GE Consumer & Industrial) wrote:

> Gee, when did unity become equal to -0- ???
>  
> (Unity Gain - A gain of one. That is, the signal is output from a circuit at 
> the same level at which it entered.)
>>>From ; 
> http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/proaudio/homeenglish/faq/glossaries/glossarie/
> 
> Therefore, a gain of less than unity is still greater than -0-.
> My question is, can there be a gain of -0- ???
> 
> Kenneth Buley
> Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KE4AWY
> Bullitt County EMA CD-2
> Bullitt County Red Cross Disaster Communications BC-6
> 

a gain of 1 equals 0dB.
hmm...I guess a true gain of 0 would be no output for any input!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base

2004-07-23 Thread Mike WA6ILQ
I'd like a scan for the web site.  Please scan it at a
higher than needed resolution and I'll shrink it down here.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 05:27 AM 7/23/04, you wrote:

>I have the cutting chart for the DB-201 to bring it up to 6 meters. Goes up
>to 55.0 MHz. I could scan it in and send it to the list if needed.
>73 Russ, W3CH
>
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>From: "Steve Grantham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
>
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> > It might load up with a good SWR, but will it radiate?  I know the
> > discussion is about base antennae, but when I was on 6M FM, I tried  using
> > Antenna Specialists, DB Products, and Larsen base-loads for 42-50, and
> > each's performance was dismal when compared to a quarter wave whip.  As I
> > recall, even an LM-150 cut for two-meters worked better than the the 42-50
> > base loads.  If it was easy enough to modify the coil, I'd try do that and
> > keep a longer radiator.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
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> > From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
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> > > Say Kevin,
> > > Since the freq. from 42-50 is a tad longer, I don't
> > see
> > > why not shorten the Radiating element, after all you want it fr 50-54
>Mhz.
> > > anyway going back to the Antenna formula  of simple division
> > >462
> > > Length in feet = --
> > >Freq. in Mhz.
> > >
> > > this is for the HF Antennas but it may work the 6 meter band for a 1/2
> > wave
> > > antenna but for anything in a base loaded coil this will not apply here
> > just
> > > open clamp and shrink it check your SWR and you are all done.
> > >
> > > we did in the red cross comm. made 1/4 wave ground planes for 47.420 and
>6
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> > > Good Luck
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> > > Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
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> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Kevin Bednar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:25 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
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> > > > Very good Kev. I kind of figured as much. I'll just do the conversion
> > > > instead of fooling around with it. Anyone have any luck reusing
>low-band
> > > > (42-50) base antennas on 6? If so, what brand/model? I have access to
>a
> > > few
> > > > but I don't want to waste time with them if they cant be used. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > > K2KMB
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> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Kevin Berlen, K9HX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:12 PM
> > > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
> > > >
> > > > Have had two friends that have done the conversions. They were unable
>to
> > > > find any short cuts. I think Mastr II radios may be a little less
> > > > complicated to move up. Good luck and 73,
> > > >
> > > > Kevin, K9HX
> > > >
> > > > At 11:26 AM 7/20/2004, you wrote:
> > > > >I have a Micor low-band base, currently on 47Mhz. Has anyone been
>able
> > > > >to tune these to 52Mhz without having to change all the components
> > > > >listed on the rbtip web site? I want to use this as a 6 meter remote
> > > > >base on one of my systems and I was curious if I really need to
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Ken Arck
At 12:19 PM 7/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>Once again we see references to gain without the actually reference pointed
>out.  There is a big difference between dBi (dB over an Isotropic,
>non-existent antenna) and dBd (dB over a dipole, real antenna).

<---Well, 2.8 Db difference to be exact but most folks simply round it off
to 3 Db. And one correction if I may. A 1/4 wave antenna is a "real
antenna" and many times can be used as the isotropic equivilent. A dipole
is a 1/2 wave and demonstrates 2.8 Db over a 1/4 wave.

>And both seem to be less than dBC (dBCushcraft - gain over a mythical 
>worse-than-isotropic reference).

<---ROFLMAO!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Jim B.

That's 6 dBdl-6 dB over a dummy load...
russ wrote:
> If any one believes this is 6 DB then would you like to buy a bridge?
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
> 
> 
> 
>>Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have
> 
> one
> 
>>on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range ,
> 
> I
> 
>>own one myself on a 20 ft. teloscopic mast on the ground.
>>
>>Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "yo7mbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:28 AM
>>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
>>>schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
>>>anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
>>>best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
>>>prefere an antenna that was tested.
>>>Thank you for any advice,
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Joe Montierth
--- "Buley, Kenneth L (GE Consumer & Industrial)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gee, when did unity become equal to -0- ???
>  
> (Unity Gain - A gain of one. That is, the signal is
> output from a circuit at the same level at which it
> entered.)
> From ; 
>
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/proaudio/homeenglish/faq/glossaries/glossarie/
> 
> Therefore, a gain of less than unity is still
> greater than -0-.
> My question is, can there be a gain of -0- ???
> 
> Kenneth Buley
> Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KE4AWY
> Bullitt County EMA CD-2
> Bullitt County Red Cross Disaster Communications
> BC-6
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:09 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional
> antenna into 2m band
> 
> 
> 
> they are less the unity.
> Gee less then -0-
> 
> 

Unity gain is a gain of one, or 0 dB. When referring
to antenna gain, most people would reference it to " X
dB over a dipole/quarter wave/isotropic/rubber
duckie/wet noodle/dummy load/whatever.

So, when someone says it has "zero" gain (no gain in
dB), it must be the same as the reference (whatever
that is). If it has less than zero (dB) gain, then the
antenna would show a "loss" as opposed to the
reference antenna. A good example would be a 2M rubber
duck compared to a dipole. Here we see that the duck
exhibits "less than zero gain" or in other words, a
loss.

It's confusing because people don't always put the
"dB" after it. Sometimes we're as bad as the antenna
manufacturers.  :)

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Roger Grady
At 07:34 AM 7/23/04, Gregg Lengling wrote:

>Once again we see references to gain without the actually reference pointed
>out.  There is a big difference between dBi (dB over an Isotropic,
>non-existent antenna) and dBd (dB over a dipole, real antenna).

And both seem to be less than dBC (dBCushcraft - gain over a mythical 
worse-than-isotropic reference).

Only partly :-).

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[Repeater-Builder] FS: Quintron Repeater w/extras

2004-07-23 Thread Ken Arck
Here's a chance of a lifetime for you repeater gurus! (if you know the name
Quintron, you know it's very high end stuff!) 

Quintron UHF, 90 watt continuous repeater. Transmitter is a QT-6700,
receiver is an MPAC. Currently tuned and xtal'd in the ham band.

Comes with the following:

ACC RC850 controller (V 3.42 firmware), with Voice Telemetry & autopatch
Icom IC22U 2 meter remote base radio
TX/RX 4 can  BP/BR Duplexer (I believe it is a TX/RX Systems)
Cellwave 3 port circulator
Switching power supply with battery back up switchover
Spare MPAC receiver
Everything installed in their 6' steel rack. 

Some pics are available (although some items shown are not included,
specifically the link radio):

http://www.ah6le.net/repeater.html

It is located in the metro Portland, OR area. Can be shipped for around
$150 (estimated). This is a complete turnkey system. Just re-xtal and
retune (provided you don't want it on its current channel pair)

If interested,write me offlist for pricing or any other info.



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[Repeater-Builder] Ranger 150 jumpers settings ?

2004-07-23 Thread dave_g7uzn
Hi All, I have a Ranger 150 on 2 metres and have had some audio
reports saying "It's a bit nasily" Can anyone please tell me what all
the jumpers on the audio board do and how I can make the audio a bit
fuller.

 Any help appreciatedCheers Dave in London UK







 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Buley, Kenneth L \(GE Consumer & Industrial\)
Gee, when did unity become equal to -0- ???
 
(Unity Gain - A gain of one. That is, the signal is output from a circuit at 
the same level at which it entered.)
>From ; 
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/proaudio/homeenglish/faq/glossaries/glossarie/

Therefore, a gain of less than unity is still greater than -0-.
My question is, can there be a gain of -0- ???

Kenneth Buley
Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KE4AWY
Bullitt County EMA CD-2
Bullitt County Red Cross Disaster Communications BC-6




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they are less the unity.
Gee less then -0-





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Uniden ARU251 UHF commercial repeater

2004-07-23 Thread daryldoss
Thanks for the response, Skipp.  All information is good at this 
point.  I'm looking forward to see how this radio ticks and learn 
about testing and retuning the various sections.

73, Daryl N5HCO


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wrote:
> Hi Daryl, 
> 
> If you can't find a manual on the net gratis, you can contact 
> me via the www.radiowrench.com web site. 
> 
> I've just updated many of the http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic 
> web page descrition pages (and most of the available free 
> file download are now working).  This page is the relocated 
> contents of my old sonic ...edu web server.
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> I'll be updating the remaining description pages in a day 
> or two. 
> 
> On the sonic page... 
> There is an available file package for adding an external 
> controller to the Uniden ARU Repeaters, which contains a 
> basic chassis circuit diagram (with mods noted). 
> 
> I'd also be able to help you out with some questions, simply 
> drop me a direct Email. 
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> skipp025 at yahoo.com 
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> > "daryldoss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi.  I just acquired a Uniden ARU251 repeater set up in the 
464/469 
> > business band.  I don't have a service manual and have looked 
for 
> > any information on line regarding retuning for the Amateur 
band.  
> > There are service manuals available for purchase (which I may 
do).  
> > Anyone have experience with this model who can offer technical 
info?
> > 
> > Thanks, Daryl N5HCO, Lexington, KY





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread russ
Right on the money Gregg,!
QST will not even list Dbi.
There is now a move to rate
all in DBD. If you look at the ringo's
they are less the unity.
Gee less then -0-
Most folks (Hams) in the SNJ
area say they make great stakes for
your tomatoes. 
Neat stuff. A good omni by RFS, DB, A/S
and so on would be much better.
73 Russ, W3CH

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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band


> Once again we see references to gain without the actually reference
pointed
> out.  There is a big difference between dBi (dB over an Isotropic,
> non-existent antenna) and dBd (dB over a dipole, real antenna).
>
>
> Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
> Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org
> K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57
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> -Original Message-
> From: russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:29 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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> If any one believes this is 6 DB then would you like to buy a bridge?
>
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> To: 
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> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
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> > Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have
> one
> > on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range
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> > > I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
> > > schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
> > > anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
> > > best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
> > > prefere an antenna that was tested.
> > > Thank you for any advice,
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Gregg Lengling
Once again we see references to gain without the actually reference pointed
out.  There is a big difference between dBi (dB over an Isotropic,
non-existent antenna) and dBd (dB over a dipole, real antenna).


Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired
Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org
K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57
Member:  ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC
 


-Original Message-
From: russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

If any one believes this is 6 DB then would you like to buy a bridge?

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band


> Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have
one
> on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range ,
I
> own one myself on a 20 ft. teloscopic mast on the ground.
>
> Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "yo7mbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
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> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
>
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> > I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
> > schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
> > anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
> > best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
> > prefere an antenna that was tested.
> > Thank you for any advice,
> > yo7mbs
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread russ
If any one believes this is 6 DB then would you like to buy a bridge?

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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band


> Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have
one
> on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range ,
I
> own one myself on a 20 ft. teloscopic mast on the ground.
>
> Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band
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> > I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
> > schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
> > anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
> > best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
> > prefere an antenna that was tested.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base

2004-07-23 Thread russ
I have the cutting chart for the DB-201 to bring it up to 6 meters. Goes up
to 55.0 MHz. I could scan it in and send it to the list if needed.
73 Russ, W3CH

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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base


> It might load up with a good SWR, but will it radiate?  I know the
> discussion is about base antennae, but when I was on 6M FM, I tried  using
> Antenna Specialists, DB Products, and Larsen base-loads for 42-50, and
> each's performance was dismal when compared to a quarter wave whip.  As I
> recall, even an LM-150 cut for two-meters worked better than the the 42-50
> base loads.  If it was easy enough to modify the coil, I'd try do that and
> keep a longer radiator.
>
> Good Luck!
>
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> From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
>
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> > Say Kevin,
> > Since the freq. from 42-50 is a tad longer, I don't
> see
> > why not shorten the Radiating element, after all you want it fr 50-54
Mhz.
> > anyway going back to the Antenna formula  of simple division
> >462
> > Length in feet = --
> >Freq. in Mhz.
> >
> > this is for the HF Antennas but it may work the 6 meter band for a 1/2
> wave
> > antenna but for anything in a base loaded coil this will not apply here
> just
> > open clamp and shrink it check your SWR and you are all done.
> >
> > we did in the red cross comm. made 1/4 wave ground planes for 47.420 and
6
> > M. all you did was change the length a tad.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
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> > - Original Message - 
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> > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
> >
> >
> > > Very good Kev. I kind of figured as much. I'll just do the conversion
> > > instead of fooling around with it. Anyone have any luck reusing
low-band
> > > (42-50) base antennas on 6? If so, what brand/model? I have access to
a
> > few
> > > but I don't want to waste time with them if they cant be used. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > K2KMB
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> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Have had two friends that have done the conversions. They were unable
to
> > > find any short cuts. I think Mastr II radios may be a little less
> > > complicated to move up. Good luck and 73,
> > >
> > > Kevin, K9HX
> > >
> > > At 11:26 AM 7/20/2004, you wrote:
> > > >I have a Micor low-band base, currently on 47Mhz. Has anyone been
able
> > > >to tune these to 52Mhz without having to change all the components
> > > >listed on the rbtip web site? I want to use this as a 6 meter remote
> > > >base on one of my systems and I was curious if I really need to
change
> > > >everything out. TIA to all.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base

2004-07-23 Thread Steve Grantham
It might load up with a good SWR, but will it radiate?  I know the
discussion is about base antennae, but when I was on 6M FM, I tried  using
Antenna Specialists, DB Products, and Larsen base-loads for 42-50, and
each's performance was dismal when compared to a quarter wave whip.  As I
recall, even an LM-150 cut for two-meters worked better than the the 42-50
base loads.  If it was easy enough to modify the coil, I'd try do that and
keep a longer radiator.

Good Luck!

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From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base


> Say Kevin,
> Since the freq. from 42-50 is a tad longer, I don't
see
> why not shorten the Radiating element, after all you want it fr 50-54 Mhz.
> anyway going back to the Antenna formula  of simple division
>462
> Length in feet = --
>Freq. in Mhz.
>
> this is for the HF Antennas but it may work the 6 meter band for a 1/2
wave
> antenna but for anything in a base loaded coil this will not apply here
just
> open clamp and shrink it check your SWR and you are all done.
>
> we did in the red cross comm. made 1/4 wave ground planes for 47.420 and 6
> M. all you did was change the length a tad.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kevin Bednar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
>
>
> > Very good Kev. I kind of figured as much. I'll just do the conversion
> > instead of fooling around with it. Anyone have any luck reusing low-band
> > (42-50) base antennas on 6? If so, what brand/model? I have access to a
> few
> > but I don't want to waste time with them if they cant be used. Thanks.
> >
> > Kevin
> > K2KMB
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kevin Berlen, K9HX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:12 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor low band base
> >
> > Have had two friends that have done the conversions. They were unable to
> > find any short cuts. I think Mastr II radios may be a little less
> > complicated to move up. Good luck and 73,
> >
> > Kevin, K9HX
> >
> > At 11:26 AM 7/20/2004, you wrote:
> > >I have a Micor low-band base, currently on 47Mhz. Has anyone been able
> > >to tune these to 52Mhz without having to change all the components
> > >listed on the rbtip web site? I want to use this as a 6 meter remote
> > >base on one of my systems and I was curious if I really need to change
> > >everything out. TIA to all.
> > >
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] direct tv

2004-07-23 Thread Eric Lemmon
One of the best places to start is at:

http://www.lyngsat.com/

There are links from this site that describe in detail the encoding of
each DBS service.  The exact frequencies, polarization, and programming
on each transponder of all DBS satellites are available here.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

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[Repeater-Builder] direct tv

2004-07-23 Thread Maire Company





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band

2004-07-23 Thread Mark Holman
Cushcraft Ringo ARX II 6 DB , ever seen any US weather shows ? they have one
on the WX storm chaser van also ant has very good broadband freq. range , I
own one myself on a 20 ft. teloscopic mast on the ground.

Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:28 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Omnidirectional antenna into 2m band


> I am living into a very bad propagate wave zone. I tried a lot of
> schemas for antenna but I have problems with the reception. Can
> anybody help me with a schema for an omnidirectional antenna with
> best output (> 4 dB). I must mention that I work into 2 m band. I'll
> prefere an antenna that was tested.
> Thank you for any advice,
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