[Repeater-Builder] midland low band

[greenfin2002]

hi all

 just came across a pallet of midland lowband radios model no. 70-
050c. i am told they will tune to 6 meters but has anyone used them 
to make a repeater? if so is it worth while to use these radios?

  pat  





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] midland low band

[NC4AB]

The 70-050C will cover 6 meters with reprogramming & retuning.  They should
be an 80 channel 50 watt radio, and you can make a repeater out of them, you
will need one for transmit and one for receive.

The first thing to check is to make sure that they have the memory module
and the CTCSS board  installed.  They are programmed with a Midland 70-1000
programmer, e-mail me off list if you need any programmed


73's

Andy

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> hi all
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>  just came across a pallet of midland lowband radios model no. 70-
> 050c. i am told they will tune to 6 meters but has anyone used them
> to make a repeater? if so is it worth while to use these radios?
>
>   pat






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF GM300 (lnk radio)

[Steaven Rogers, W4YI]

Well,  Didn't realize that the power could be turned down by software.  
I do have access to the software so that will not be a problem.

Thanks again to all...
Steaven, W4YI






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Electricity question

[Joe]

You would have to approach the following subject carefully,
but it may help you out.
If the tower is not in use,  AND there has been no source of
electrical service to the tower, some municipalities consider the tower
as abandoned.  If you have a very good relationship with the tower
company you might bring it to their attention that it may, in fact, be to
their advantage to have you on the tower and reinstate electrical service
to the site.
Again, this can be a very touchy area, so you have to use diplomacy
before you bring up this subject.  You must not lead them to believe
that you are doing them a favor, just that you are trying to cooperate
with them.
Joe
At 02:25 AM 9/1/2004, you wrote:
Hello Mike,
    Thanks for the info.  I will give the press
release a look over, it 
may very well help me out.  The site I am at is vacant.  There
has not 
been anyone there for several years.  The tower company has donated
the 
tower space as long as I help maintain the site (cut grass and
such).  
All I must pay for is the electricity.  There is already a meter on
site 
and run to the cabinet that I will be using. (cabinets are pole mounted

by the way)  Anyway, maybe if I go sit down and have a face to face
I 
can get some where with our local power company.
Thanks again
Steaven, W4YI

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Astron Power Supply Crobars

[Joe]

I work for a wireless company, sometimes rooftop sites near
elevators and other motor operated devices can cause tremendous voltage
spikes on the power line.  Your easiest fix would be to put a UPS
that does line conditioning on the Astron power supply.  This should
smooth out any AC glitches that come down the line.
Joe
At 08:39 AM 9/1/2004, you wrote:
Allow me to elaborate.
I have an RM-35M.  It has been in continuous repeater service for

more than 10 years without a hiccup.
Recently our hosts did some electrical work in the building.  They

installed new elevator motors and emergency power.  We are now 

connected to the emergency power through a very large (~60lbs)
ferro-
resonate transformer.
The elevator motors and controllers are not in the same room as the 

repeater, but the main power passes through our room.  The repeater

has been in the same location without any problems from the elevators

for 30-years.  
After the change the RM-35M started crowbaring once or twice per
day.
I replaced the power supply with another RM-35M.  It has been
running 
fine for a couple of weeks now.
The original power supply, plugged in on my workbench, with no load,

will crowbar after running for 3 to 12 hours.
So, will someone tell me about this replacement regulator board of 
Skipp's?
JoeD, N2UF

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> I have an RM-35 that has run for years without the
> crowbar ever operating.  Check the output voltage,
> check it for AC ripple.
> 
> 73, Joe, k1ike
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: req to Moderator

[Ed Folta]

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the Ham Band

[W9DHI]

Yes no problem at all.


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Programed in the Ham Band

KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the 
Ham Band?
The 450-470 Mhz Model.
I need it to TX 442.100 RX 447.100
Thanks for the help.






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the Ham Band

[steve scott]

  YES. Excellent Repeater.

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> KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and
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[Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the Ham Band

[aj4ef]

KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the 
Ham Band?
The 450-470 Mhz Model.
I need it to TX 442.100 RX 447.100
Thanks for the help.






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: req to Moderator

[Kevin Custer]

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the Ham Band

[russ]

Yes!
It is right in the software. You will want to touch up the receiver just a
bit. But it will work just fine with just the software.
73 Russ, W3CH

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> KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the
> Ham Band?
> The 450-470 Mhz Model.
> I need it to TX 442.100 RX 447.100
> Thanks for the help.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the Ham Band

[Eric Lemmon]

The answer is "probably."  The fact that others have tuned a TKR-850 to
the 70cm band is not an absolute guarantee that your unit will do the
same.  It may work fine, or it may barely make it.

The TKR-750 and -850 repeaters have manually-tuned bandpass filters in
the front end that must be optimized for the Ham bands.  As delivered,
the filters in the TKR-850 are optimized for 450-470 MHz, but still need
to be tweaked for maximum receive sensitivity.  Also, the RX and TX VCOs
need to be adjusted slightly to ensure that they operate over the
optimum locking range.  Like most RF equipment, operating a TKR repeater
outside of its specified band carries some risk; it's best to minimize
the risk with careful tuning.

Before you attempt to tune this repeater, get a Service Manual from
Pacific Coast Parts, about $23.  Leave the repeater power on while
you're waiting for the manual, so that the reference crystal oscillator
can "settle in" to a stable frequency.  Every TKR repeater I have set up
needed to have the reference oscillator tweaked slightly to bring it
exactly on frequency.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

aj4ef wrote:
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> KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the
> Ham Band?
> The 450-470 Mhz Model.
> I need it to TX 442.100 RX 447.100
> Thanks for the help.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] midland low band

[Benjamin Naber]

Got yourself a good fine. Midlands are fine radios.
Too bad you probably don't live in SD otherwise I'd
get a few off you

~Ben, KB9LFZ


--- greenfin2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi all
> 
>  just came across a pallet of midland lowband radios
> model no. 70-
> 050c. i am told they will tune to 6 meters but has
> anyone used them 
> to make a repeater? if so is it worth while to use
> these radios?
> 
>   pat  
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF GM300 (lnk radio)

[N9WYS]

I also, have sent an article to Mike for the Repeater-Builders web site,
only to wait for it to appear. (I'm still waiting...)  I'm almost ready to
send it to someone else.

-Original Message-
From: motarolla_doctor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:17 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF GM300 (lnk radio)

 Mike WA6ILQ >
wrote:

> Modifying a Maxtrac-family radio for low power out might
> make a good article for repeater-builder.
>

Mike, You have NOT answered any of our e-mails. I sent you this very
same information, along with other related info for the rptr builders
site.

The Maxtrac/Radius line had a LPI version in VHF and UHF, usally the 2
to 10 watt version. I have also seen a 1 to 6 watt UHF PA for them.
The Mostar, and German Maxtrac have simmular PA stages.

I have the schematics for the 2 to 10 watt versions. As Keven said
here, removing a couple of stages by bypassing arround the driver and
output stage is what is needed. The transmitter PA's get really hot
even when "turned down" because the stages draw excess DC current. The
transistors are not designed to run in that part of the curve, and
become very in-effisient.


MIKE, please meet me this week end at The Big Yard sale.








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[Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in the Ham Band

[Ken Arck]

At 09:45 AM 9/4/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>The answer is "probably."  The fact that others have tuned a TKR-850 to
>the 70cm band is not an absolute guarantee that your unit will do the
>same.  It may work fine, or it may barely make it.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programedin the Ham Band

[Eric Lemmon]

Ken,

It's good to know that Kenwood now offers a TKR-850 repeater that is
specified for operation down to 440 MHz.  The last one I worked on was
specified, in black and white, for 450-470 MHz.  Its performance out of
the box was mediocre on 70cm, and it required careful retuning to work
in the 440-450 MHz band.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Ken Arck wrote:
> 
... Kenwood spec's the TKR-850 in the ham band.
> 
> I'm looking at the service manual and there, in black and white, is the freq. 
> spec
> "Frequency range 440 to 470 Mhz". Not to mention the Kenwood FPU programming 
> software has 440 to 450 Mhz as a valid range. They tune easily and meet full 
> factory spec when retuned...




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF GM300 (lnk radio)

[Kevin Custer]

N9WYS wrote:

>I also, have sent an article to Mike for the Repeater-Builders web site, only 
>to wait for it to appear. (I'm still waiting...)  I'm almost ready to send it 
>to someone else.
>

First off, let me remind you and everyone else that my site is FREE for 
the looking.  I pay to host the information on my site(s) with help only 
from those who choose to give right after Christmas when my hosting fees 
are due.
Secondly, I don't pay my webmasters, they are volunteers and have other 
jobs/lives outside of Repeater Builder. 
Third, I'm in the midst of a complete overhaul of the site; in which 
Mike is doing most of this work in his spare time, yet he still offers 
to take information in about any form any turn it into a nice 
representation. Repeater Builder has an amount of information 
approaching 1 gig

Now, you have offered up some information and are pissed because it 
isn't a priority of ours to have it published in a few weeks.  Realize 
that it may take several weeks or months for it to appear depending on 
the type of information that gets forwarded to us (like plain text).  If 
you want to help expedite the publishing, make a webpage that follows 
the format of Repeater Builder, check it for spelling and accuracy and 
send it to us.  If this time frame isn't acceptable, go ahead and send 
it to someone else.  My site may the the largest/busiest repeater 
building site, but it isn't the only one out there.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF GM300 (lnk radio)

[N9WYS]

No, Kevin.  

I'm not pissed because this isn't a priority for either Mike or you.
I'm pissed because Mike solicited a document from me, and since the time
I sent it to him, I've seen NOTHING else from him.  (I even e-mailed him
a week later to see if he received it OK...)  No mention of when to
expect to see it on the web site, nothing.  And I think THAT'S what the
other person was complaining about, too.  **Lack of communication.** 

I understand that it's quite a project to keep a site and mail list like
Repeater-Builder running, and you have all been of much help to me on
other subjects in the past.

We got a message about 4 weeks ago (I think) to the effect that the web
page/site was undergoing rebuilding of its own.  Fine...  But at least
let the contributors know what's happening with their submissions.  For
what it's worth, I supplied my information in the specific format in
which Mike asked me to put it...  I don't mind helping out at all, and
that's what I was trying to do with my article.  But it would be nice if
SOMEONE would at least take the time to say "Thanks, it might take us a
couple of months to get this posted.  We'll keep you apprised."   

So you know - I sent this submission on June 7th... more than just "a
few weeks", as you put it.

That's all I ask.

Mark - N9WYS


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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF GM300 (lnk radio)


N9WYS wrote:

>I also, have sent an article to Mike for the Repeater-Builders web
site, only to wait for it to appear. (I'm still waiting...)  I'm almost
ready to send it to someone else.
>

First off, let me remind you and everyone else that my site is FREE for 
the looking.  I pay to host the information on my site(s) with help only

from those who choose to give right after Christmas when my hosting fees

are due.
Secondly, I don't pay my webmasters, they are volunteers and have other 
jobs/lives outside of Repeater Builder. 
Third, I'm in the midst of a complete overhaul of the site; in which 
Mike is doing most of this work in his spare time, yet he still offers 
to take information in about any form any turn it into a nice 
representation. Repeater Builder has an amount of information 
approaching 1 gig

Now, you have offered up some information and are pissed because it 
isn't a priority of ours to have it published in a few weeks.  Realize 
that it may take several weeks or months for it to appear depending on 
the type of information that gets forwarded to us (like plain text).  If

you want to help expedite the publishing, make a webpage that follows 
the format of Repeater Builder, check it for spelling and accuracy and 
send it to us.  If this time frame isn't acceptable, go ahead and send 
it to someone else.  My site may the the largest/busiest repeater 
building site, but it isn't the only one out there.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it betunedandProgramed in the Ham Band

[XE2SI]

Let me trow my two cents:
 
Normally the TKR-850 came from factory programed and 
tunned
in the 460 Mhz. range, so if you want to operate in the 
amateur
freq's; is very important to retune the front end to bring 
into specs.
Juan 

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  De: Ken Arck 
  Para: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Enviado: Saturday, September 04, 2004 
  11:09 AM
  Asunto: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD 
  TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tunedandProgramed in the Ham Band
  At 09:45 AM 9/4/2004 -0700, you wrote:>The answer is 
  "probably."  The fact that others have tuned a TKR-850 to>the 70cm 
  band is not an absolute guarantee that your unit will do 
  the>same.  It may work fine, or it may barely make 
  it.

[Repeater-Builder] info on freg. band

[Maire Company]

does any one know what uses the 1,300.000 
freg band?   have a customer that wants a scanner and thinks that is 
the place to go?  any thoughts?
 
thanks John
 
 













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[Repeater-Builder] Kendecom/Advance Communication Systems

[Joel Mele]

Hello to the group:
 
The local ham club might be getting some Homeland Security 
funds from the County.
 
The group is considering equipment from Kendecom/Advanced 
Communication Systems.
 
I do not have any knowledge of,  or experience with this 
manufacturer.    I would appreciate any comments or info the 
group might have concerning this equipment.
 
TNX...Joel W4SLH













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[Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-7000U UHF REPEATER Will it work in the Ham Band

[aj4ef]

Vertex VXR-7000U (D) UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programed in 
the Ham Band?
The 450-470 Mhz Model.
I need it to TX 442.100 RX 447.100

I need to get one soon and I appreciate the help.





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] KENWOOD TKR-850 UHF REPEATER Can it be tuned and Programedin the Ham Band

[Mike WA6ILQ]

Once you tuned it up, how well did it work?

BTW, from the Kenwood page at repeater-builder:
 >Since the commercial allocation in most ofthe world is 440-470 mHz all the
 >newer Kenwood UHF repeaters are designed cover that range.   This makes
 >moving a recent Kenwood to the USA amateur band a snap - just program them
 >for the new frequencies and retune the RF stages (they come from the factory
 >pretuned in the 460mHz region).   The older ones are iffy - you will have to
 >try it and see if it works.   First measure the performace on the existing
 >commercial frequencies, then program it for 450.0 and measure and compare,
 >then 449.0 and compare, then 448.0, etc.   You will soon figure out which
 >stages are refusing to tune.

And does anybody have a photo of a TKR-720 or 820?  I'd like one to
go along with the ones that are there.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 12:59 PM 9/4/04, you wrote:

>Ken,
>
>It's good to know that Kenwood now offers a TKR-850 repeater that is
>specified for operation down to 440 MHz.  The last one I worked on was
>specified, in black and white, for 450-470 MHz.  Its performance out of
>the box was mediocre on 70cm, and it required careful retuning to work
>in the 440-450 MHz band.
>
>73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>Ken Arck wrote:
> >
>... Kenwood spec's the TKR-850 in the ham band.
> >
> > I'm looking at the service manual and there, in black and white, is the 
> freq. spec
> > "Frequency range 440 to 470 Mhz". Not to mention the Kenwood FPU 
> programming software has 440 to 450 Mhz as a valid range. They tune 
> easily and meet full factory spec when retuned...
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] info on freg. band

[mch]

Hams are just below that - 1240-1300 MHz.

Joe M.

> Maire Company wrote:
> 
> does any one know what uses the 1,300.000 freg band?   have a customer
> that wants a scanner and thinks that is the place to go?  any
> thoughts?
> 
> thanks John





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] midland low band

[Ed Folta]

  From one Midland lover to another

  Be sensitive to the duty cycle of your intended project.

  I use a series of 70-5300BD on T band here in Chicago and have had to
  beef 'em up a little


  73

  Ed Folta
  Com/Rad Inc.



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  > Got yourself a good fine. Midlands are fine radios.
  > Too bad you probably don't live in SD otherwise I'd
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  > > model no. 70-
  > > 050c. i am told they will tune to 6 meters but has
  > > anyone used them
  > > to make a repeater? if so is it worth while to use
  > > these radios?
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kendecom/Advance Communication Systems

[Kevin Custer]

Joel Mele wrote:

  
  
  
  Hello to the group:
   
  The local ham club might be getting some Homeland
Security funds from the County.
   
  The group is considering equipment from
Kendecom/Advanced Communication Systems.
   
  I do not have any knowledge of, or experience
with this manufacturer.    I would appreciate any comments or info the
group might have concerning this equipment.


I have owned a few Kendecom repeaters in the past that were bought by
the County because it wasn't politically correct for me to build and
sell (or give) them to the County.

Out of about five that were bought, only one is still in service.  They
are deaf and spurious by nature.  Tuning seems to fade over a short
period of time like the Spectrum machines.  I had to add receive
preamps to them to be even close to a Micor or Mastr II.

My advice is to keep looking
Kevin Custer














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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kendecom/Advance Communication Systems

[Ed Folta]

  Joel
   
  If you can, call me on Tuesday 
  @ 800.298.2850
   
  Ed Folta K9QPJ
   
   
   
   
  
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Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:18 
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 
Kendecom/Advance Communication Systems

Hello to the group:
 
The local ham club might be getting some Homeland Security 
funds from the County.
 
The group is considering equipment from Kendecom/Advanced 
Communication Systems.
 
I do not have any knowledge of, or experience with this 
manufacturer.    I would appreciate any comments or info the 
group might have concerning this equipment.
 
TNX...Joel 
W4SLH


 














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Re: [Repeater-Builder] info on freg. band

[Maire Company]

anything like business above it?

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> Hams are just below that - 1240-1300 MHz.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> > Maire Company wrote:
> > 
> > does any one know what uses the 1,300.000 freg band?   have a customer
> > that wants a scanner and thinks that is the place to go?  any
> > thoughts?
> > 
> > thanks John
> 
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