Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Deviation

[Randy Elliott]

Always laugh, but never reply, but had to this time;
Good one Jeff, had to pick myself up off the floor :)
sorry Andy couldn't resist either!

Randy VE3JPU


On 13-Dec-05, at 5:02 PM, Jeff DePolo WN3A wrote:

 Does anyone know which pot in the gm300 adjusts the rx deviation?
 Thanks.

 Andy KC2GOW

 The one labeled Volume.

 Sorry, couldn't resist.

 Seriously, I don't know what you mean.  You mean Tx deviation?  It's
 adjusted in software.







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Re: [inbox] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair VHF Duplexer

[Ellen Engle]

OK, If I read your post correctly you want to increase the spacing to more 
than 5 MHz for use with a VHF-Hi Business system.

Since this is a mobile low power notch only duplexer it will depend on what 
spacing you are trying to achieve. If close to 5 MHz, like 5.5 to 6 MHz, I 
would try and see what can be done. If more than 6 MHz you probably want 
to forget it and get another candidate. Also you don't give a lot of info 
about conditions where it will be used so even if it would tune up properly the 
construction may not be appropriate for your intended use.

Milt
N3LTQ


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  In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  ---It's a typical mobile type duplexer. Notch only, can only 
handle 50watts and not that much isolation. Not to mention that at 5 
Mhz, it'sunusable for amateur use.
  
  the 50 watt limit is fine with our system. We purchased it off of 
  another business that upgraded their repeater for use with our business 
  repeater using VHF-Hi. Their freq pair was spaced at 5 MHz though, and 
  ours is not; so my question was if this can be retuned at my local radio shop 
  to support the more than 5MHz of seperation, or if (like Sinclair said) it has 
  to go back to the 
  factory.
  
  

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair VHF Duplexer

[Rick Charlotte]

The Person to ask this question is BOB Morton (hounest bob)

do a google search for him

He was a Sinclair  person and still does this work .. he is the one 
who made my 220 duplexer

We had a 'mobile' duplexer to him about 3 weeks ago , and he was 
able to move it into the 'ham' UHF band for us with some work ( 
took at 1/2 hour and it was good to go )

Sorry I don't have his email right here but his website has his phone 
# and email addy 

if you need more Email me off list and I will pull the info off my other 
puter


Rick

On 13 Dec 2005 at 20:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 ---It's a typical mobile type duplexer. Notch only, can only handle 
 50 watts and not that much isolation. Not to mention that at 5 Mhz, 
 it's unusable for amateur use.
 
 
 
 the 50 watt limit is fine with our system.  We purchased it off of 
 another business that upgraded their repeater for use with our
 business repeater  using VHF-Hi.  Their freq pair was spaced at 5 MHz
 though, and ours is not;  so my question was if this can be retuned at
 my local radio shop to support the  more than 5MHz of seperation, or
 if (like Sinclair said) it has to go back to  the factory.
 




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[Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,
Because of some changes in repeater sights, I've got some clutter taking
up more space in my shack, that I'm sure can be useful to some people.
I have the following items for sale.
Prices are all open ended, so email privately.

2 Cat 1000 controllers
These 2 controllers are like brand new.
In fact, one of them only has about 5 hours on it.
Each one of them includes the rack mount.


1 Cat 300DX with the RBS1000 remote base interface switch

1 Link-comm rlc2 controller with the DVR and phone patch, and the rack
mount

2 kenwood TK801s
2 GE Phoenix's

1 UHF motorola mitrek (will work great for a repeater)

Because I'm doing a ton of upgrades, the controllers were especially
occupying space.
Any takers?
I'm open to ideas for prices.

Thanks,
Jed.n1jbc





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-820

[Jim B.]

Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:

 There is a 9346 eeprom on the signaling board.  Seems like removing this
 chip will make the radio CS.  Will be glad to pgm tones/dcs if u want to
 send the chip.  Freq info is contained in a 9346 on the front panel pcb and
 soldered into place.  If you remove and socket this chip, I can also pgm it
 in my kpt20 box.  Set VCO's for 4.0V or as close as u can get, touch up the
 front end, there are 3 pots for tx deviation, one is max dev - I usually set
 a 4.0 with a loud voice into the mic, then mic gain for the desk mic, then
 bal squares up dcs data.  On the sig board I set rept for 2K in / 2K out.
 Set hang time for 0, and add a 10mf cap between lead 3 and gnd on the sig bd
 connector, and this will yield hang time without tone for a quiet turnoff to
 the mobiles (if you choose to use tone).  Usually set the pot on the tx
 level control for 20 Watts before duplexer and have not had trouble.  Lemme
 know if I can be of any further assistance,  Steve NU5D - ps - makes a nice
 repeater in 70cm fm - just add an ID8 board and go.Also rpt button has to be
 pressed...ssb

You DO know the TKR-820 generates reverse burst?

 
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DCFluX
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:12 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-820
 
  
 
 * Hello All,
 
 I am in the process of brute force hacking a Kenwood TKR-820 into the ham
 bands. No one seems to be forth coming with a schematic of the KPT-50 so I
 have a cable ghettoed to the back of this laptop going to the serial eeprom
 on the front board.
 
  So far I have been able to program the dual synthisizers to the test
 frequency of 446.3TX and 441.3RX, simple formula,  Target frequency in Khz
 (446300) minus 21400 divided by 12.5 then converted to hexidecimal for both
 synthisizers.

The reason is that it has it's own uP in it with custom software. So a 
scehmatic will not allow you to build your own.
Either a KPT-20 or KPT-50 is need to program those. No way around it.
Unless you want to go through the trouble of reverse engineering the 
code in the EEPROM. If you're successful at that though, write up what 
you get and post it to RB!

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale

[Roger]

How about some idea of prices and contact info.

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:58 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale


Hey guys,
Because of some changes in repeater sights, I've got some clutter taking
up more space in my shack, that I'm sure can be useful to some people. I
have the following items for sale. Prices are all open ended, so email
privately.

2 Cat 1000 controllers
These 2 controllers are like brand new.
In fact, one of them only has about 5 hours on it.
Each one of them includes the rack mount.


1 Cat 300DX with the RBS1000 remote base interface switch

1 Link-comm rlc2 controller with the DVR and phone patch, and the rack
mount

2 kenwood TK801s
2 GE Phoenix's

1 UHF motorola mitrek (will work great for a repeater)

Because I'm doing a ton of upgrades, the controllers were especially
occupying space. Any takers? I'm open to ideas for prices.

Thanks,
Jed.n1jbc





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale

[Jed Barton]

Hey Roger,
This email address works.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I had some thoughts on the cat 1000s.  
I was thinking 300 for each, but we can talk.
Keep in mind, this includes the rack mount. 
I also have a Doug Hall RBI1 that I can throw in there.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Jed

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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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How about some idea of prices and contact info.

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:58 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale


Hey guys,
Because of some changes in repeater sights, I've got some clutter taking
up more space in my shack, that I'm sure can be useful to some people. I
have the following items for sale. Prices are all open ended, so email
privately.

2 Cat 1000 controllers
These 2 controllers are like brand new.
In fact, one of them only has about 5 hours on it.
Each one of them includes the rack mount.


1 Cat 300DX with the RBS1000 remote base interface switch

1 Link-comm rlc2 controller with the DVR and phone patch, and the rack
mount

2 kenwood TK801s
2 GE Phoenix's

1 UHF motorola mitrek (will work great for a repeater)

Because I'm doing a ton of upgrades, the controllers were especially
occupying space. Any takers? I'm open to ideas for prices.

Thanks,
Jed.n1jbc





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Deviation

[Jim B.]

Jeff DePolo WN3A wrote:

   The one labeled Volume.

Heard on 11M a few times: Turn up your volume, I can't hear you...
-
You do know that VSWR means 'voice standing wave ratio' right? You have 
to make sure your mic cord is the right length. Keep cutting it off, 1/4 
inch at a time, till you've got the right 'match' and it sounds good...
-- 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 800 preselector WTD

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Ed - contact me directly, I may have something you can use.
Larry
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Hello Group

Looking for a 800 Mhz receiver preselector/cavity system-higher the Q the better.

Maybe a DB-4028-2 or equiv.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale

[Timothy V Horvath]

I'm Very Interested in a Cat-1000. Can you call me 386-931-5709 or
give me your #  I'll call you.
Thanks, Tim 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:57:46 -0500 Jed Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Hey guys,
 Because of some changes in repeater sights, I've got some clutter 
 taking
 up more space in my shack, that I'm sure can be useful to some 
 people.
 I have the following items for sale.
 Prices are all open ended, so email privately.
 
 2 Cat 1000 controllers
 These 2 controllers are like brand new.
 In fact, one of them only has about 5 hours on it.
 Each one of them includes the rack mount.
 
 
 1 Cat 300DX with the RBS1000 remote base interface switch
 
 1 Link-comm rlc2 controller with the DVR and phone patch, and the 
 rack
 mount
 
 2 kenwood TK801s
 2 GE Phoenix's
 
 1 UHF motorola mitrek (will work great for a repeater)
 
 Because I'm doing a ton of upgrades, the controllers were 
 especially
 occupying space.
 Any takers?
 I'm open to ideas for prices.
 
 Thanks,
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: still searching: settings TAIT T800 CTCSS boards

[Bernd Maestling]

Hello Ed,

yes, thats what I thought since they don't use a
special CTCSS IC but a PLL.
I'll try ;-)

73
Bernd
DM5BM


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wa6rqd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bernd Maestling wrote:
  Hello,
  I'm still looking for the DIP-switch settings
  of the TAIT T800 Series I internal CTCSS boards.
  
  If someone have some informations please let me know.
  
  73
  Bernd
  DM5BM
  
  
 
 Bernd,
 
 I don't know if the tone boards you have are the same as are in one of 
 mine, but the way I figured out the switch settings was to look at the 
 encode frequency and switch them until I found the frequency I wanted. 
 The encode and decode will work from around 50Hz up to at least 2KHz. 
 The switches are binary weighted.
 
 Sorry I don't have any detailed info on them.
 
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale

[Jed Barton]

Hey Tim,
Give me a yell.
401-255-6575.
Thanks,
Jed

-Original Message-
From: Timothy V Horvath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:59 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale


I'm Very Interested in a Cat-1000. Can you call me 386-931-5709 or give
me your #  I'll call you. Thanks, Tim 
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:57:46 -0500 Jed Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Hey guys,
 Because of some changes in repeater sights, I've got some clutter
 taking
 up more space in my shack, that I'm sure can be useful to some 
 people.
 I have the following items for sale.
 Prices are all open ended, so email privately.
 
 2 Cat 1000 controllers
 These 2 controllers are like brand new.
 In fact, one of them only has about 5 hours on it.
 Each one of them includes the rack mount.
 
 
 1 Cat 300DX with the RBS1000 remote base interface switch
 
 1 Link-comm rlc2 controller with the DVR and phone patch, and the
 rack
 mount
 
 2 kenwood TK801s
 2 GE Phoenix's
 
 1 UHF motorola mitrek (will work great for a repeater)
 
 Because I'm doing a ton of upgrades, the controllers were
 especially
 occupying space.
 Any takers?
 I'm open to ideas for prices.
 
 Thanks,
 Jed.n1jbc
 
 
 
 
 
  
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: still searching: settings TAIT T800 CTCSS boards

[Bernd Maestling]

yeah, I wrote them twice but no reaction.
Yesterday I wrote to Tait UK, maybe they'll
give me some informations.

73
Bernd
DM5BM


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wrote:

 Try the Taitworld support pages - I just tried to get the URL to
post here 
 but it seems their web site is down.
 
 Google for Taitworld and you should find what you need when the site is 
 back!
 
 73,
 
 Matt
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 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:42 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] still searching: settings TAIT T800
CTCSS boards
 
 
 Hello,
 I'm still looking for the DIP-switch settings
 of the TAIT T800 Series I internal CTCSS boards.
 
 If someone have some informations please let me know.
 
 73
 Bernd
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: still searching: settings TAIT T800 CTCSS boards

[Bernd Maestling]

Hello Brett,

yes, that's true, but you can also program them
with a 10 (!) pole DIP-switch inside.

73
Bernd
DM5BM

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi I believe the ctcss is set during programming. IE channel freq
and ctcss.
 Cheers
 Brett
 
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 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:42 AM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] still searching: settings TAIT T800
CTCSS boards
 
 
  Hello,
  I'm still looking for the DIP-switch settings
  of the TAIT T800 Series I internal CTCSS boards.
 
  If someone have some informations please let me know.
 
  73
  Bernd
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair VHF Duplexer

[no6b]

At 12/13/2005 17:53, you wrote:
In a message dated 12/13/2005 7:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
---It's a typical mobile type duplexer. Notch only, can only handle 50
watts and not that much isolation. Not to mention that at 5 Mhz, it's
unusable for amateur use.

Actually, they do go down to ~2.5 MHz spacing, albeit barely.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[skipp025]

Wow... sounds like a fun project if one had all the 
time to get around having the kpt-50.  There are a 
number of people wanting to get around the kpt-50 
requirement with a basic rib type programmer. 

But I've always removed the eeprom and used the 
the kpt-50 along with the kpg-21d software to keep 
from using the kpt-50 key-pad again. I believe 
the sub tone/dcs information is kept in the eeprom.

If you're local to me near Sacramento, I'll program 
your repeater to the ham bands for free.  If you 
really needed to get the eprom done, I'd even help 
you by mail. 

I also keep the kpt-50 in stock (I'm an Authorized 
Kenwood Dealer).  Email me direct if you want more 
information. 

I've run the tkr-720 and tkr-820 in both carrier squelch, 
with a tone panel (external) and with a trunking controller. 

The factory repeater board doesn't generate true 
reverse burst. Like other mfgrs did... the tone is 
often shut off before the transmitter drops and the 
detector tries to close the audio of before the tx 
drops. 

Aside from some of my personal connection notes, one 
of the better external controller mods was posted 
by Mike a short time back. You simply unplug the the 
repeater board and run a number of small plug jumpers 
as directed in the information.  

Yes, if you make up a kpt-50 work around, it will be 
quite popular. 

Hope that helps a bit. 

cheers,
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com 

 Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:
 
  There is a 9346 eeprom on the signaling board.  Seems like
removing this
  chip will make the radio CS.  Will be glad to pgm tones/dcs if u
want to
  send the chip.  Freq info is contained in a 9346 on the front
panel pcb and
  soldered into place.  If you remove and socket this chip, I can
also pgm it
  in my kpt20 box.  Set VCO's for 4.0V or as close as u can get,
touch up the
  front end, there are 3 pots for tx deviation, one is max dev - I
usually set
  a 4.0 with a loud voice into the mic, then mic gain for the desk
mic, then
  bal squares up dcs data.  On the sig board I set rept for 2K in /
2K out.
  Set hang time for 0, and add a 10mf cap between lead 3 and gnd on
the sig bd
  connector, and this will yield hang time without tone for a quiet
turnoff to
  the mobiles (if you choose to use tone).  Usually set the pot on
the tx
  level control for 20 Watts before duplexer and have not had
trouble.  Lemme
  know if I can be of any further assistance,  Steve NU5D - ps -
makes a nice
  repeater in 70cm fm - just add an ID8 board and go.Also rpt button
has to be
  pressed...ssb
 
 You DO know the TKR-820 generates reverse burst?
 
  
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DCFluX
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:12 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-820
  
   
  
  * Hello All,
  
  I am in the process of brute force hacking a Kenwood TKR-820 into
the ham
  bands. No one seems to be forth coming with a schematic of the
KPT-50 so I
  have a cable ghettoed to the back of this laptop going to the
serial eeprom
  on the front board.
  
   So far I have been able to program the dual synthisizers to the test
  frequency of 446.3TX and 441.3RX, simple formula,  Target
frequency in Khz
  (446300) minus 21400 divided by 12.5 then converted to hexidecimal
for both
  synthisizers.
 
 The reason is that it has it's own uP in it with custom software. So a 
 scehmatic will not allow you to build your own.
 Either a KPT-20 or KPT-50 is need to program those. No way around it.
 Unless you want to go through the trouble of reverse engineering the 
 code in the EEPROM. If you're successful at that though, write up what 
 you get and post it to RB!
 
 -- 
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 WD8CHL








 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale

[R. Crocker]

- Original Message - 
From: Jed Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:57 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Some goodies for sale


Hey guys,
Because of some changes in repeater sights, I've got some clutter taking
up more space in my shack, that I'm sure can be useful to some people.
I have the following items for sale.
Prices are all open ended, so email privately.

2 Cat 1000 controllers
These 2 controllers are like brand new.
In fact, one of them only has about 5 hours on it.
Each one of them includes the rack mount.


1 Cat 300DX with the RBS1000 remote base interface switch

1 Link-comm rlc2 controller with the DVR and phone patch, and the rack
mount

2 kenwood TK801s
2 GE Phoenix's

1 UHF motorola mitrek (will work great for a repeater)

Because I'm doing a ton of upgrades, the controllers were especially
occupying space.
Any takers?
I'm open to ideas for prices.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[Jim B.]

skipp025 wrote:

 The factory repeater board doesn't generate true 
 reverse burst. Like other mfgrs did... the tone is 
 often shut off before the transmitter drops and the 
 detector tries to close the audio of before the tx 
 drops. 

Hmmm-all the ones we had at the shop I used to work at did true RB. I 
could see the phase shift in the lissajous (sp?) on the service 
monitor...the only problem I ever ran into was that the time delay they 
used was a bit short for some radios. Same problem with the mobiles of 
that vintage (early 90's).

Yes, they make GREAT ham repeaters, with only the need to add a simple 
ID'er.

All of the external controller mods I did were done at the accessory 
jack on the back. And they were always done in such a way that you could 
just unplug the cable from the back, hit the button on the front, and 
run local. Worst case (with tone panels), I would have to open the top 
and plug the CTCSS EEPROM back in. (I would glue a piece of anti-stat 
foam on the chassis next to the board and stick the chip there, 
programmed up and ready to go.)

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digital Signals

[Nate Duehr]

 Sounds like a good plan to me...  although you would have to pay attention
 to keep phone folks from stepping on digital folks..   I bet you get
 some
 odd sounding doubles..
 mike

Oh, I believe they're locking out the analog receiver in digital operation.

If the digital transmitter drops, then it's a free-for-all first-come,
first-served digital or analog at that point, but the system's quiet
enough it hasn't been a problem (yet).

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[DCFluX]

I have not gotten the internal controller to activate the repeater, I
am suspecting that it is waiting for a DQT code (Digital PL) to
activate. 

I tweaked the VCO's for 3 volts not knowing any better, I will readjust them tonight. 

I built a simple interface for the serial EEPROM out of a few resistors
and zener diodes. At the moment it is just hard wired to some vias I
saw coming from the programming plug. I will rebuild my interface
tonight to have a 8 pin socket and +5 volt regulator so the chips can
be programed out side the rig and see whats in the other chip.

Looking at the schematic, I have no idea how they are getting data over
to the EEPROM on the signalling board, there apears to be no
connections to the programming plug. Also there is an awful lot
of fire power on that board just for the CTCSS encode and decode, you
would think they would have put a CW IDer in there. Looks like there is
room enough left over on the tray for a smaller controller such as the
NHRC-Micro and TCX-12.

The company that had it previous didn't take advantage of the sweet
mounting method for the duplexer and it was on the top cover with
double sided stickey tape. $3 at a hardware store will yield a
brass strip and sheet metal screws to take care of the mecahnics, and
some double shielded coax and BNC connectors should cure the RF side.
On 12/14/05, Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
skipp025 wrote: The factory repeater board doesn't generate true reverse burst. Like other mfgrs did... the tone is often shut off before the transmitter drops and the detector tries to close the audio of before the tx
 drops.Hmmm-all the ones we had at the shop I used to work at did true RB. Icould see the phase shift in the lissajous (sp?) on the servicemonitor...the only problem I ever ran into was that the time delay they
used was a bit short for some radios. Same problem with the mobiles ofthat vintage (early 90's).Yes, they make GREAT ham repeaters, with only the need to add a simpleID'er.All of the external controller mods I did were done at the accessory
jack on the back. And they were always done in such a way that you couldjust unplug the cable from the back, hit the button on the front, andrun local. Worst case (with tone panels), I would have to open the top
and plug the CTCSS EEPROM back in. (I would glue a piece of anti-statfoam on the chassis next to the board and stick the chip there,programmed up and ready to go.)--Jim BarbourWD8CHL
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[skipp025]

Hi Jim, 

There was a debate about the reverse being a 
true Motorola type Reverse-Burst. It only seemed 
to matter if you were running the true reverse 
burst decoder with the reed stall Motorola 
parameters values. 

Never mattered to me much... the goal was to 
reduce or elminate the users tx un-key static 
crash. 

I got tired of fighting different reverse phase 
formal formats for so many different radios  
receivers. 

Extending out the rptr tx hang time without a 
sub tone has been a poor mans way to deal with 
no reverse burst function. I put in one of the 
original comm spec RB-1 modules (diagram avail 
on the RB web site) and some radio decoders liked 
it... some didn't. So I added the extended no 
sub tone time and everyone is for the most part 
happy. 

I use the molex jack on the back for external 
controllers and tone panels... the hook-up is different 
for each.  As a simple ID'er, I've used the Autocode 
module many times.  It's cheap and an easy board 
to add... no other parts are required other than 
the molex plug  pins.  

The first time you do any tkr repeater connection... 
you quickly learn to scratch your head in wonder. 

cheers,
skipp 

  Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 skipp025 wrote:
 
  The factory repeater board doesn't generate true 
  reverse burst. Like other mfgrs did... the tone is 
  often shut off before the transmitter drops and the 
  detector tries to close the audio of before the tx 
  drops. 
 
 Hmmm-all the ones we had at the shop I used to work 
 at did true RB. I could see the phase shift in the 
 lissajous (sp?) on the service monitor...the only 
 problem I ever ran into was that the time delay they 
 used was a bit short for some radios. Same problem 
 with the mobiles of that vintage (early 90's).
 
 Yes, they make GREAT ham repeaters, with only the 
 need to add a simple ID'er.
 
 All of the external controller mods I did were done 
 at the accessory jack on the back. And they were 
 always done in such a way that you could just unplug 
 the cable from the back, hit the button on the front, 
 and run local. Worst case (with tone panels), I would 
 have to open the top and plug the CTCSS EEPROM back 
 in. (I would glue a piece of anti-stat foam on the 
 chassis next to the board and stick the chip there, 
 programmed up and ready to go.
 Jim Barbour
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[Jim B.]

DCFluX wrote:

 I have not gotten the internal controller to activate the repeater, I am
 suspecting that it is waiting for a DQT code (Digital PL) to activate.

If you pull the tone chip, it should repeat CSQ. Make sure the rpt 
button on the front is pushed in!

 
 I tweaked the VCO's for 3 volts not knowing any better, I will readjust them
 tonight.
 
 I built a simple interface for the serial EEPROM out of a few resistors and
 zener diodes. At the moment it is just hard wired to some vias I saw coming
 from the programming plug.  I will rebuild my interface tonight to have a 8
 pin socket and +5 volt regulator so the chips can be programed out side the
 rig and see whats in the other chip.
 
 Looking at the schematic, I have no idea how they are getting data over to
 the EEPROM on the signalling board,  there apears to be no connections to
 the programming plug.

You're right-there isn't. The tone chip is programmed by removing it and 
plugging it into the programmer, either the KPT-20 or -50. And that's 
the only info it has is the 8 encode/decode tones/codes.

 Also there is an awful lot of fire power on that
 board just for the CTCSS encode and decode, you would think they would have
 put a CW IDer in there.

You forget-this is pre-1990 vintage equipment. It only looks like there 
is a lot of hp! It is the whole controller though. It does repeat audio 
gating, hang time, TOT, as well as encode/decode. Oh yeah, the repeat 
squelch control is on that board too. The front panel sq control has no 
effect on repeat.
I guess there wasn't much of a call for an internal ID at the time. I 
can't think of any other commercially-made desktop repeater that had an 
ID'er built-in from that vintage, either. To get that, you had to go to 
an MSF-5000 or MastrIIe/MastrIII size box. In fact, most of the desktop 
repeaters of that vintage were crystal controlled!

  Looks like there is room enough left over on the
 tray for a smaller controller such as the NHRC-Micro and TCX-12.

Yup, most likely. I know putting something like an ID-8 in was a snap. 
Almost enought room for 2 of 'em, not that there's a reason to have two...

 
 The company that had it previous didn't take advantage of the sweet mounting
 method for the duplexer and it was on the top cover with double sided
 stickey tape.  $3 at a hardware store will yield a brass strip and sheet
 metal screws to take care of the mecahnics, and some double shielded coax
 and BNC connectors should cure the RF side.

Wow...how revolting. And the repeater CAME with hardware to mount a 
duplexer inside. The holes are even tapped already!

-- 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[Jim B.]

skipp025 wrote:

 Hi Jim, 
 
 There was a debate about the reverse being a 
 true Motorola type Reverse-Burst. It only seemed 
 to matter if you were running the true reverse 
 burst decoder with the reed stall Motorola 
 parameters values. 
 
 Never mattered to me much... the goal was to 
 reduce or elminate the users tx un-key static 
 crash. 
 
 I got tired of fighting different reverse phase 
 formal formats for so many different radios  
 receivers. 

I hated that too. I always figured that it should be 180 degrees. If it 
worked with that, good. If not, oh well, live with it.

 
 Extending out the rptr tx hang time without a 
 sub tone has been a poor mans way to deal with 
 no reverse burst function. I put in one of the 
 original comm spec RB-1 modules (diagram avail 
 on the RB web site) and some radio decoders liked 
 it... some didn't. So I added the extended no 
 sub tone time and everyone is for the most part 
 happy. 

How much of delay did that add, btw? Normally I would think no more then 
  about a half second would do for most radios...except some of the 
cheapies, Maxon, Tekk, Tait, Yaesu, etc.

 
 I use the molex jack on the back for external 
 controllers and tone panels... the hook-up is different 
 for each.  As a simple ID'er, I've used the Autocode 
 module many times.  It's cheap and an easy board 
 to add... no other parts are required other than 
 the molex plug  pins.  
 
 The first time you do any tkr repeater connection... 
 you quickly learn to scratch your head in wonder. 
 
 cheers,
 skipp 

You mean like having to put a jumper from pin 1 to ground for the PTT on 
the back to work?
;c)

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Another goody for sale

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,
Forgot to include this one in my list.
Anyone want an scom 5K?
Ideas and offers welcome.
Again, another shelved item that works just fine.
Thoughts?
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[Repeater-Builder] FS: Quintron Power Amplifiers

[Robin]

I have three VHF Quintron amps using the 4CS250R tube, and two 
Quintron UHF solid state amps. Also in the racks  pics are monitor 
panels, RF Units, power supplies, exciters, receivers and other 
associated electronics used by the paging industry, from which these 
amps came. I have *not* tested any of these units, and therefore 
cannot warrant their operational condition. These were removed from 
service, and are presumed to work.
These are located in Nasvhille, TN. I can ship or make arrangements 
for delivery.







 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[n2mci]

Matt, if you are editing the EEproms by hand, here's a link
to Mijo S51KQ's TK/R-720 web page.. I helped him with creating 
the EEprom (93C46) images.. See:
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s51kq/temp/_projects_/TKR720_modification/

On the TKR/B radios, the file saved by KPG21D contains the data
for the Freq. and CTCSS EEprom.. The 1st half of the file is the
image for the Freq. EEprom and the 2nd half of the KPG21D file
is the Image of the CTCSS EEprom file.. 

I realize binary file editing to not for everyone, but it's not
as hard as everyone makes it out to be either..

I also want to create a 'EZ-Prog' type exe that will create the
various file images, (TKb/r freq.  CTCSS, TK620/720/820/710/810 
mobiles with and without the scan board (TK-x20's only)), from the
file saved by KPG21D..  

-73, Pete N2MCI 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 I am in the process of brute force hacking a Kenwood TKR-820 into
the ham
 bands. No one seems to be forth coming with a schematic of the
KPT-50 so I
 have a cable ghettoed to the back of this laptop going to the serial
eeprom
 on the front board.
 
  So far I have been able to program the dual synthisizers to the test
 frequency of 446.3TX and 441.3RX, simple formula,  Target frequency
in Khz
 (446300) minus 21400 divided by 12.5 then converted to hexidecimal
for both
 synthisizers.
 
 This required a little tweaking of the VCOs to do so, and so far it
seems to
 be working, but I don't have any serious test equipment hooked up to
it at
 the moment.
 
 But I cannot get the unit to go into repeat mode, so I am trying to
figure
 out if I need to program the thing to go with carrier squelch or if
it is
 looking for CTCSS or what. Does anyone have any documentation on
this unit
 at all? Right now I am going by a schematic for the VHF version of the
 repeater and it isn't really answering too many questions.
 
 I am a little curious as to what the serial EEPROM on the Signal Control
 Board does.  It looks like a rudimentry controller and perhaps
houses the PL
 tone decoder, oh, and the COR lamp on it will not light when the RX is
 unsquelched.
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-820

[Steve Bosshard \(NU5D\)]

 Some of the low end talkies do not respond to reverse burst.  No tone on
tail works for most everyone, but not nearly as 'clean' as reverse burst -
also there are several different amounts of phase shift with reverse burst.
Ssb


You DO know the TKR-820 generates reverse burst?

 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] FS: Quintron Power Amplifiers

[Adam C. Feuer]

Do you know the model number of the UHF amps?  I have been looking for some 
QT7795's.

Thanks!

Adam N2ACF
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] FS: Quintron Power Amplifiers


I have three VHF Quintron amps using the 4CS250R tube, and two
 Quintron UHF solid state amps. Also in the racks  pics are monitor
 panels, RF Units, power supplies, exciters, receivers and other
 associated electronics used by the paging industry, from which these
 amps came. I have *not* tested any of these units, and therefore
 cannot warrant their operational condition. These were removed from
 service, and are presumed to work.
 These are located in Nasvhille, TN. I can ship or make arrangements
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Deviation

[Andrew G.]

OK I deserve this ridicule.meant "TX" dev. but oh well. Thanks for the help, thought it might be in the software but did not want to pull it out of the site for nothing.Andy
	
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Deviation

[Steve Bosshard \(NU5D\)]

Andy, you did not deserve any ridicule,
and the think folks meant everything with levity. Remember, when you are being
picked on, it means that I am not being picked on.Merry Christmas, ssb













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GM300 Deviation







OK I deserve this ridicule.meant TX
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did not want to pull it out of the site for nothing.











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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

[DCFluX]

Pete,

That is some damn fine information there. I only wish I had it last night. About the only thing that is different in the 820 is the divde radio is .0125 instead of .005Currently I am using a program called pony prog whichthe serialinterface I am usingissimilar to the one shown on this website, I will redothe schematic with one that is guarenteed towork though and doesn't need any fancy regulators. AlsoI am using some Hex editor I found on google, It is like the first link when you type in hex editor.


It may be possible to add the missing channel controls and jumper the control chip from repeater to base mode so thenthe repeater could QSY, not much say 100kHz to allow the duplexer to functionbut more importantly change PL tones remotely to allow Carrier access or different CTCSS tones. I think the TKR-850 series does this already but that may be a pretty sweet mod for the x20 series.



On 12/14/05, n2mci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt, if you are editing the EEproms by hand, here's a linkto Mijo S51KQ's TK/R-720 web page.. I helped him with creating
the EEprom (93C46) images.. See:http://lea.hamradio.si/~s51kq/temp/_projects_/TKR720_modification/On the TKR/B radios, the file saved by KPG21D contains the data
for the Freq. and CTCSS EEprom.. The 1st half of the file is theimage for the Freq. EEprom and the 2nd half of the KPG21D fileis the Image of the CTCSS EEprom file..I realize binary file editing to not for everyone, but it's not
as hard as everyone makes it out to be either..I also want to create a 'EZ-Prog' type exe that will create thevarious file images, (TKb/r freq.  CTCSS, TK620/720/820/710/810mobiles with and without the scan board (TK-x20's only)), from the
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300 Deviation

[Bob M.]

If you have a laptop, install RSS on that, bring it to
the site and adjust it there.

Bob M.
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 OK I deserve this ridicule.meant TX dev. but
 oh well. Thanks for the help, thought it might be in
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   Andy

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT: Fwd: Gerritsen Found Guilty of All 6 Federal Counts!!

[Mark A. Holman]

Next up to bat K1MAN Glen Baxter maybe they can send him to jail
buddies in CA. ROTFL  :-D 

Mike Morris wrote:

  Let's see now 6 federal felonies three strikes and your'e out

This is in addition to FCC Affirms $42,000 in Fines in Radio Jamming Case
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/12/02/101/?nc=1

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Gerritsen Found Guilty of All 6 Federal Counts!!

Today 12-09-05, at approx 10:05 AM, at the Roybal Federal Building in 
Downtown Los Angeles, the 7 women and 5 men jury returned with a unanimous 
verdict on the Gerritsen Federal case after approx 1 1/2 hours of 
deliberation, and found Jack Gerritsen (Ex-KG6IRO) GUILTY on all 6 Federal 
counts.

Jack was taken into immediate custody by the U.S. Federal Marshals.

Verdict is as follows:

Count 1, U.S. Title 18, Section 1362, Transmit on a Government Freq; GUILTY

Count 2, U.S. Title 47, Sections 333, 501, Malicious interference; GUILTY

Count 3, U.S. Title 47, Sections 333, 501, Malicious interference; GUILTY

Count 4, U.S. Title 47, Sections 301, 501, Transmitting without a License; 
GUILTY

Count 5, U.S. Title 47, Sections 301, 501, Transmitting without a License; 
GUILTY

Count 6, U.S. Title 47, Sections 301, 501, Transmitting without a License; 
GUILTY

Jack objected to the immediate incarceration, but the Judge said these are 
FEDERAL Felonies, and he has been found guilty, and will be remanded.

Sentencing will be on March 6, 2006 at 1:30 P.M. at the same court, Roybal 
Federal Court, 255 E. Temple St, Los Angeles, Room 850.

The reason for the delay in sentencing is for Mr. Gerritsen to be 
interviewed by the Federal Probation Dept., which is standard practice 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] FS: RCA Super Carfone 500 Series

[Mark A. Holman]

I tried a Motorola Car phone to sell VHF 152 / 158  nobody wanted it I 
sent it back  I think our recycle man probably stripped it .

that was 1994

Robin Midgett wrote:

I have available for sale several RCA 500 series Super Carfone UHF 
transceivers. These include the receiver and transmitter strips with the 
vacuum tube power amplifiers,  mobile mounts (if you want them). The amps 
are good for about 90 watts output in FM service. These units are used, old 
stock removed from commercial service many years ago and stored in a 
climate controlled environment. They are not tested, presumed working. They 
are good for making repeaters, beacon transmitters, repeater receivers, 
control receivers, power amplifiers, organ donors for other RCA gear, and 
as 30 lb. (approx.) anchors for small water born craft.
Asking $25 each plus shipping from 37212. Contact me via email at K4IDC at 
comcast dot net.

Thanks,
Robin Midgett K4IDC
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