Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio Shack 10% Off Coupon good to 12/23
Are they still black and white Neil? Just could not pass that up Vincent N6OA - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio Shack 10% Off Coupon good to 12/23 I used to have a RCA TV ... was a black and white ... got it back in the late fifties. Now I have a Sony, a Toshiba and a couple of others too. Neil Mark A. Holman wrote: Say I did see a AKAI TV set there seems like they are venturing the consumer mkt. also Sams Club carries AKAI also. I already have a RCA TV Neil McKie wrote: May work ok ... if you bother going to radio shaft at all ... Neil - WA6KLA Mike Morris wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:21:38 - Subject: Radio Shack 10% Off Coupon http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/email/RSK_12_16_05_1.html Expires 23 December Yahoo! Groups Links -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS + Visit your group Repeater-Builder on the web. + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
The Channel 2 Color Ant is for all of 6 Meter. The BW is for the FM portion only. Merry Christmas To All! Fred W5VAY - Original Message - From: Daron J. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant More importantly to this group, how do I interface it to my repeater ?? -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mch Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] OT best repeaters along I 75 to FL
We are going to take a trip south the FL along I75 what are the best repeaters to use 144/222/440 ? with or with out IRLP links Sorry for the off topic but I would like to have them ready to program into the radio before we leave ! Thank .. and sorry of the OT post Rick Rick,Charlote Kids Daisy , Sir Red-A-Lot Our Border Collie Message Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website www.karolinabc.ca Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Gary, A return loss bridge (RLB) is an extremely useful tool for tuning the pass function of a BpBr duplexer. That's because the bandpass response of each cavity in a BpBr duplexer is very subtle- nothing like the peak you will see in a bandpass-only cavity. Even when three BpBr cavities are in series, the bandpass response is rather wide. An RLB allows any good spectrum analyzer to emulate the reflection capability of a vector network analyzer to a sufficient degree that bandpass tuning can be much more precise. Instead of viewing the transmission bump, you can view the reflection notch- which is very sharp. With such a clear indication of the bandpass tuning, the cavity can be tuned within a few kHz of the exact pass frequency. It is essential that all interconnecting cables and connector cables be of very high quality, and the spectrum analyzer's reference oscillator be on frequency. It takes some practice to use an RLB correctly, but it can allow you to tune a duplexer with remarkable precision. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gentlemen, Will be starting a new science project setting up Wacom 641 on 2 meters. Have a Rohde Schwarz monitor receiver with S meter, DB pads, dummy loads etc. Plus an IFR 1500. But I see comments on a unit called a 'return loss bridge' for the IFR. How important is this return loss bridge and what is it's claim to fame? Do I really need one? Also have an old HP 8554B Spectrum Analyzer. Thanks, Gary K2UQ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
Was that on a GE TV? Thanks Fred, Merry Christmas to all / Happy New Year too. Neil - WA6KLA FHS wrote: The Channel 2 Color Ant is for all of 6 Meter. The BW is for the FM portion only. Merry Christmas To All! Fred W5VAY - Original Message - From: Daron J. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant More importantly to this group, how do I interface it to my repeater ?? -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mch Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Eric the Group... From discussion of vector network analyzers / return loss bridges on the listit certainly appears that this is the gold-standard for duplexer alignment. Can anyone provide link(s) to a comprehensive tutorial on the subject? Sometimes old dogs like me have to work a bit to learn new tricks but that doesn't stop me from trying! While I have everyone... I'd like to thank all of the list contributors who share their knowledge for the good of everyone. It is truly appreciated. A Joyous Holiday Season to all! Doug - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Gary,A return loss bridge (RLB) is an extremely useful tool for tuning the pass function of a BpBr duplexer. That's because the bandpass response of each cavity in a BpBr duplexer is very subtle- nothing like the peak you will see in a bandpass-only cavity. Even when three BpBr cavities are in series, the bandpass response is rather wide.An RLB allows any good spectrum analyzer to emulate the reflection capability of a vector network analyzer to a sufficient degree that bandpass tuning can be much more precise. Instead of viewing the transmission bump, you can view the reflection notch- which is very sharp. With such a clear indication of the bandpass tuning, the cavity can be tuned within a few kHz of the exact pass frequency.It is essential that all interconnecting cables and connector cables be of very high quality, and the spectrum analyzer's reference oscillator be on frequency. It takes some practice to use an RLB correctly, but it can allow you to tune a duplexer with remarkable precision.73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Who makes a Return Loss Bridge? Any idea of the approximate cost? LJ -Original Message- From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 21, 2005 7:42 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Gary, A return loss bridge (RLB) is an extremely useful tool for tuning the pass function of a BpBr duplexer. That's because the bandpass response of each cavity in a BpBr duplexer is very subtle- nothing like the peak you will see in a bandpass-only cavity. Even when three BpBr cavities are in series, the bandpass response is rather wide. An RLB allows any good spectrum analyzer to emulate the reflection capability of a vector network analyzer to a sufficient degree that bandpass tuning can be much more precise. Instead of viewing the transmission bump, you can view the reflection notch- which is very sharp. With such a clear indication of the bandpass tuning, the cavity can be tuned within a few kHz of the exact pass frequency. It is essential that all interconnecting cables and connector cables be of very high quality, and the spectrum analyzer's reference oscillator be on frequency. It takes some practice to use an RLB correctly, but it can allow you to tune a duplexer with remarkable precision. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gentlemen, Will be starting a new science project setting up Wacom 641 on 2 meters. Have a Rohde Schwarz monitor receiver with S meter, DB pads, dummy loads etc. Plus an IFR 1500. But I see comments on a unit called a 'return loss bridge' for the IFR. How important is this return loss bridge and what is it's claim to fame? Do I really need one? Also have an old HP 8554B Spectrum Analyzer. Thanks, Gary K2UQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
The Bird Model 43 is a typical RLB. You can also use a network analyzer. Dick - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 21 December, 2005 08:20 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Who makes a Return Loss Bridge? Any idea of the approximate cost? LJ -Original Message- From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 21, 2005 7:42 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Gary, A return loss bridge (RLB) is an extremely useful tool for tuning the pass function of a BpBr duplexer. That's because the bandpass response of each cavity in a BpBr duplexer is very subtle- nothing like the peak you will see in a bandpass-only cavity. Even when three BpBr cavities are in series, the bandpass response is rather wide. An RLB allows any good spectrum analyzer to emulate the reflection capability of a vector network analyzer to a sufficient degree that bandpass tuning can be much more precise. Instead of viewing the transmission bump, you can view the reflection notch- which is very sharp. With such a clear indication of the bandpass tuning, the cavity can be tuned within a few kHz of the exact pass frequency. It is essential that all interconnecting cables and connector cables be of very high quality, and the spectrum analyzer's reference oscillator be on frequency. It takes some practice to use an RLB correctly, but it can allow you to tune a duplexer with remarkable precision. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gentlemen, Will be starting a new science project setting up Wacom 641 on 2 meters. Have a Rohde Schwarz monitor receiver with S meter, DB pads, dummy loads etc. Plus an IFR 1500. But I see comments on a unit called a 'return loss bridge' for the IFR. How important is this return loss bridge and what is it's claim to fame? Do I really need one? Also have an old HP 8554B Spectrum Analyzer. Thanks, Gary K2UQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Yes, really. You measure the forward power, then turn the element around and measure the reflected power. Then use 10 log (FP/RP) and you have the return loss in dB. Dick - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 21 December, 2005 08:46 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge The Bird Model 43 is a typical RLB. Oh really???!??!? The Eagle return loss bridges are a good value for the buck. www.eagle-1st.com. They have a whitepaper on tuning duplexers too. http://www.eagle-1st.com/notes/duplex/body.htm I believe IFR (now Aeroflex) sells (or at least sold) the Eagle RLB's. --- Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
At 12/21/2005 01:28 AM, you wrote: I just tuned a set of 641's with my IFR1500, a couple of 3dB pads, and a dummy load for the unused port while tuning it up. That's all you should need to get them tuned. You can also use the RL bridge to optimize the 50 ohm match. See this article: http://www.eagle-1st.com/notes/duplex/body.htm Couldn't one use a directional coupler instead of a RL bridge? The directivity probably wouldn't be quite as good, but a surplus coupler would be a lot cheaper. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
A good discussion on testing using a return loss bridge should be found wherever the old Hewlett Packard App. Notes are on the web. A return loss bridge in its simplest application is a dual directional coupler with detectors (or power meters) on the coupled ports. The forward port samples the forward power on the line and the reflected port the reflected power coming back from the load being looked at. If you have power meters on both ports, the difference in these power levels is the return loss of the device under test. You can relate return loss to VSWR, of course. If detectors are on the ports, the detector on the reflected port will have almost equal voltage as the forward detector (for a terrible VSWR) and progressively less voltage as the load VSWR gets better (toward 50 ohms). Roger W5RD Couldn't one use a directional coupler instead of a RL bridge? The directivity probably wouldn't be quite as good, but a surplus coupler would be a lot cheaper. Bob NO6B Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
The Bird is a directional wattmeter. It's not a return loss bridge (it's not a bridge at all). Yes, you can compute a spot-frequency measurement of return loss that way, that doesn't help you with swept-frequency analysis using a spectrum analyzer and tracking generator. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Yes, really. You measure the forward power, then turn the element around and measure the reflected power. Then use 10 log (FP/RP) and you have the return loss in dB. Dick - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 21 December, 2005 08:46 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge The Bird Model 43 is a typical RLB. Oh really???!??!? The Eagle return loss bridges are a good value for the buck. www.eagle-1st.com. They have a whitepaper on tuning duplexers too. http://www.eagle-1st.com/notes/duplex/body.htm I believe IFR (now Aeroflex) sells (or at least sold) the Eagle RLB's. --- Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Technically, yes, but any means of obtaining the return loss gets you the info you need. I use an old network analyzer that's one of the handiest gadgets around. Dick - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 21 December, 2005 09:26 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge The Bird is a directional wattmeter. It's not a return loss bridge (it's not a bridge at all). Yes, you can compute a spot-frequency measurement of return loss that way, that doesn't help you with swept-frequency analysis using a spectrum analyzer and tracking generator. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Yes, really. You measure the forward power, then turn the element around and measure the reflected power. Then use 10 log (FP/RP) and you have the return loss in dB. Dick - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 21 December, 2005 08:46 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge The Bird Model 43 is a typical RLB. Oh really???!??!? The Eagle return loss bridges are a good value for the buck. www.eagle-1st.com. They have a whitepaper on tuning duplexers too. http://www.eagle-1st.com/notes/duplex/body.htm I believe IFR (now Aeroflex) sells (or at least sold) the Eagle RLB's. --- Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
The two brands I'm familiar with are Mini Circuits Eagle. Ditto on usefulness...also good for tuning receiver front ends and PA outputs...powered off, of course. At 10:20 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: Who makes a Return Loss Bridge? Any idea of the approximate cost? LJ -Original Message- From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 21, 2005 7:42 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge Gary, A return loss bridge (RLB) is an extremely useful tool for tuning the pass function of a BpBr duplexer. That's because the bandpass response of each cavity in a BpBr duplexer is very subtle- nothing like the peak you will see in a bandpass-only cavity. Even when three BpBr cavities are in series, the bandpass response is rather wide. An RLB allows any good spectrum analyzer to emulate the reflection capability of a vector network analyzer to a sufficient degree that bandpass tuning can be much more precise. Instead of viewing the transmission bump, you can view the reflection notch- which is very sharp. With such a clear indication of the bandpass tuning, the cavity can be tuned within a few kHz of the exact pass frequency. It is essential that all interconnecting cables and connector cables be of very high quality, and the spectrum analyzer's reference oscillator be on frequency. It takes some practice to use an RLB correctly, but it can allow you to tune a duplexer with remarkable precision. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gentlemen, Will be starting a new science project setting up Wacom 641 on 2 meters. Have a Rohde Schwarz monitor receiver with S meter, DB pads, dummy loads etc. Plus an IFR 1500. But I see comments on a unit called a 'return loss bridge' for the IFR. How important is this return loss bridge and what is it's claim to fame? Do I really need one? Also have an old HP 8554B Spectrum Analyzer. Thanks, Gary K2UQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC 615-322-5836 office - rolls to pager 615-835-7699 pager 615-301-1642 home [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.people.vanderbilt.edu/~robin.midgett/index.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
mch wrote: You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. The only difference is that color requires more signal then bw, and digital requires more signal then color. (Just like stereo FM requires more signal then mono.) Hence the fact, if one looked, that color antennas were just higher gain, and digital antennas are more gain yet. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: hdtv radio shack ant ????
BTW, any stations running both analog and digital under one callsign will be licensed for the digital as (call)-DT. Joe M. Bil Munsil wrote: Here is a list of all the TV stations in Indiana. Maybe some of them are running HDTV. Maybe some are in your viewing area. KERO-TV KTVN KWHB KWHD KWHE KWHH KWHM WAZE-TV WCLJ-TV WFWA WFYI WHMB-TV WHME-TV WHNO WINM WIPB WKOI-TV WNDU-TV WNIN WNIT WRCB-TV WRTV WSBT-TV WSJV WTHR WTIU WTTK WTTV WVUT WXIN WYIN Bil --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi just got me a hdtv at mal mart with hdtv tuner build inside. i get the best tv picture i every had. here .. at what freqency in the uhf band is the hdtv send on... cant seem to find it anywhere on the internet...??? i useing a homebuild uhf ant with a pre amp.. would like to build the ant for for the hdtv frequency..? toby...n9fdf Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] color tv antennas
Not so fast... you might consider researching the name Swan (not related to the radio company) and the log cell yagi antenna. Mr Swan pretty much invented the early Color TV Antenna Technology you now see used. Much of his research and design was directly related to Color TV Antennas. Mr Swan was a very big VHF weak signal fan... his designs and patents were used by KLM for their early antennas. I had a nice chat with Mike of M2 Antennas (was the M of KLM) about Mr. Swan and his information is valid regarding the wider bandwidth and performance of his Color TV Antennas. They are just a better antenna... cheers, skipp Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mch wrote: You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
How do you interface an antenna to your repeater? There should be an antenna port on your repeater or duplexer t which you connect the antenna. The same issues relate to repeaters, BTW - there are no antennas for FM vs AM vs SSB vs APRS vs packet vs Etc., Etc. Etc. They are all the SAME and only vary in the fact that they are usually a more narrow bandwidth, but that's a function of frequency coverage, not mode used. Joe M. Daron J. Wilson wrote: More importantly to this group, how do I interface it to my repeater ?? -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mch Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
Wouldn't that be equivallent to 'ghosting' on analog TV? Wouldn't directional antennas be better for that reason? Joe M. Hap Griffin wrote: - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yes, that is true, to a point. The 8VSB modulation used by DTV is prone to multipath interference. This is easily seen with a spectrum analyzer when turning an antenna...multipath will show up as a notch (or multiple notches) in what is supposed to be a flat noise-like energy spectrum form the DTV transmitter. Depending on where the notch is in the spectrum and its depth, the digital decoder and loose lock on the signal with the result being the dreaded blue TV screen. Thus, the best DTV performance is from antennas that are more directional which reject any off-axis multipath signals better. Multipath is why indoor antenna reception of DTV is so touchy. However, the later generations of tuner chipsets are getting much better at multipath compensation. Hap Griffin VP-Engineering SCETV Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
But isn't that relative to your distance (or path) from the station you want to receive? The lower gain antennas would work just fine if the signal is strong enough. What you said is effectively (in FM terms): Simplex antennas need higher gain to make up for the weaker signals over repeaters. So why aren't there repeater antennas and simplex antennas? (aside from the quality aspects) Joe M. Jim B. wrote: The only difference is that color requires more signal then bw, and digital requires more signal then color. (Just like stereo FM requires more signal then mono.) Hence the fact, if one looked, that color antennas were just higher gain, and digital antennas are more gain yet. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] color tv antennas
Skipp, Usually I would not argue with you, but.. So your point is that the BW antennas only cover segments of each channel while the color antennas cover the entire 6 MHz segment? IOW, the BW are resonant every 6 MHz, but not continuous? Or... (resonance plots in ASCII graphic form) BW: 54 MHz '''\___/'''\___/'''\___/'\___/'''\___/''' 88 MHz Color: 54 MHz _ 88 MHz While that is technically possible, I find it very unlikely. Joe M. skipp025 wrote: I had a nice chat with Mike of M2 Antennas (was the M of KLM) about Mr. Swan and his information is valid regarding the wider bandwidth and performance of his Color TV Antennas. They are just a better antenna... cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] color tv antennas
Come on Guys! I just want to know how to get HDTV on my repeater. :-) Chris N6ICW Message: 21 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:54:28 - From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: color tv antennas Not so fast... you might consider researching the name Swan (not related to the radio company) and the log cell yagi antenna. Mr Swan pretty much invented the early Color TV Antenna Technology you now see used. Much of his research and design was directly related to Color TV Antennas. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] color tv antennas
It depends on whether you have an HDTV-ready repeater If not, youll also need to purchase an HDTV set-top box and interface that into the repeater. Mark N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Huber Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] color tv antennas Come on Guys! I just want to know how to get HDTV on my repeater. :-) Chris N6ICW Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Couldn't one use a directional coupler instead of a RL bridge? ... _ Yes. Directional couplers and return loss bridges are both classified as signal separation devices. They differ in internal design, directivity, port match, insertion loss and so on but both perform the same function. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
- Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant mch wrote: You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. The only difference is that color requires more signal then bw, and digital requires more signal then color. (Just like stereo FM requires more signal then mono.) Hence the fact, if one looked, that color antennas were just higher gain, and digital antennas are more gain yet. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Actually, it requires considerably less signal than analog TV (color or BW). The coding gains of digital allow it to operate much closer to the noise floor than analog. If you look at the power assignments of television broadcast stations, the DTV power to replicate coverage is in nearly all cases much less, unless the analog station is on VHF and the paired DTV station is on UHF. For instance, I am the CE for an eleven station network...most of our megewatt UHF analog stations are coverage matched very well by their 50 KW digital counterparts. The rule of thumb is that average digital power is 12 dB less than peak analog power. Hap Griffin WZ4O Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
Yes...I believe that's what I said. Directional is better for DTV. Hap Griffin WZ4O - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant Wouldn't that be equivallent to 'ghosting' on analog TV? Wouldn't directional antennas be better for that reason? Joe M. Hap Griffin wrote: - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yes, that is true, to a point. The 8VSB modulation used by DTV is prone to multipath interference. This is easily seen with a spectrum analyzer when turning an antenna...multipath will show up as a notch (or multiple notches) in what is supposed to be a flat noise-like energy spectrum form the DTV transmitter. Depending on where the notch is in the spectrum and its depth, the digital decoder and loose lock on the signal with the result being the dreaded blue TV screen. Thus, the best DTV performance is from antennas that are more directional which reject any off-axis multipath signals better. Multipath is why indoor antenna reception of DTV is so touchy. However, the later generations of tuner chipsets are getting much better at multipath compensation. Hap Griffin VP-Engineering SCETV Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
Hap Griffin wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant mch wrote: You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. The only difference is that color requires more signal then bw, and digital requires more signal then color. (Just like stereo FM requires more signal then mono.) Hence the fact, if one looked, that color antennas were just higher gain, and digital antennas are more gain yet. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Actually, it requires considerably less signal than analog TV (color or BW). The coding gains of digital allow it to operate much closer to the noise floor than analog. If you look at the power assignments of television broadcast stations, the DTV power to replicate coverage is in nearly all cases much less, unless the analog station is on VHF and the paired DTV station is on UHF. For instance, I am the CE for an eleven station network...most of our megewatt UHF analog stations are coverage matched very well by their 50 KW digital counterparts. The rule of thumb is that average digital power is 12 dB less than peak analog power. Hap Griffin WZ4O Not gonna argue-experience has shown the DTV's need a much better installation on the recieve end-across the board (VHF or UHF). And not just directionality either. -eos- -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
This makes sense. I am the Chief Engineer of an FM station that recently converted to IBOC (thus having BOTH analog digital). We use the SAME antenna for both our analog digital transmissions notice that the coverage of analog compared to digital is very similar. In FM IBOC, the digital signal is 20 DB below the analog (or 1% of the analog). -- Original Message -- Received: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:41:09 PM CST From: Hap Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, it requires considerably less signal than analog TV (color or BW). The coding gains of digital allow it to operate much closer to the noise floor than analog. If you look at the power assignments of television broadcast stations, the DTV power to replicate coverage is in nearly all cases much less, unless the analog station is on VHF and the paired DTV station is on UHF. For instance, I am the CE for an eleven station network...most of our megewatt UHF analog stations are coverage matched very well by their 50 KW digital counterparts. The rule of thumb is that average digital power is 12 dB less than peak analog power. Hap Griffin WZ4O Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: color tv antennas
mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skipp, Usually I would not argue with you, but.. So your point is that the BW antennas only cover segments of each channel while the color antennas cover the entire 6 MHz segment? Nope... not what I posted... IOW, the BW are resonant every 6 MHz, but not continuous? Or... (resonance plots in ASCII graphic form) BW: 54 MHz '''\___/'''\___/'''\___/'\___/'''\___/''' 88 MHz Color: 54 MHz _ 88 MHz While that is technically possible, I find it very unlikely. Joe M. If you have real interest in the subject, try looking up the work on color tv antennas by Oliver Swan. He also had a reported number of patents on the color tv antenna designs. cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
- Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant Actually, it requires considerably less signal than analog TV (color or BW). The coding gains of digital allow it to operate much closer to the noise floor than analog. If you look at the power assignments of television broadcast stations, the DTV power to replicate coverage is in nearly all cases much less, unless the analog station is on VHF and the paired DTV station is on UHF. For instance, I am the CE for an eleven station network...most of our megewatt UHF analog stations are coverage matched very well by their 50 KW digital counterparts. The rule of thumb is that average digital power is 12 dB less than peak analog power. Hap Griffin WZ4O Not gonna argue-experience has shown the DTV's need a much better installation on the recieve end-across the board (VHF or UHF). And not just directionality either. -eos- -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Agreed...a crappy installation with mis-terminations on the dividers, etc. providing echos within the distribution system can wreck DTV reception. But in a proper installation, much less power is usually required. I can't believe it's been now almost 5 years to the month since putting my network's first DTV station on the air (the first one in South Carolina and the first to be transcoded onto digital cable...also the first to beta test the TCI wideband slot antenna). My eleventh and last goes on air in January. Hap Griffin WZ4O Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
And my reply was 'isn't directional better for ANYTHING?' (not just DTV) Joe M. Hap Griffin wrote: Yes...I believe that's what I said. Directional is better for DTV. Hap Griffin WZ4O - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant Wouldn't that be equivallent to 'ghosting' on analog TV? Wouldn't directional antennas be better for that reason? Joe M. Hap Griffin wrote: - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant You know, this subject (mail subject line) reminds me of the stories I was told about them coming out with antennas for *COLOR* TV that were interpreted to be different from BW TV antennas. Supposedly, for color TV you needed a Color TV antenna. BW TV, Color TV, HDTV... they ALL use the same frequencies and the same antennas would work equally well. Joe M. Yes, that is true, to a point. The 8VSB modulation used by DTV is prone to multipath interference. This is easily seen with a spectrum analyzer when turning an antenna...multipath will show up as a notch (or multiple notches) in what is supposed to be a flat noise-like energy spectrum form the DTV transmitter. Depending on where the notch is in the spectrum and its depth, the digital decoder and loose lock on the signal with the result being the dreaded blue TV screen. Thus, the best DTV performance is from antennas that are more directional which reject any off-axis multipath signals better. Multipath is why indoor antenna reception of DTV is so touchy. However, the later generations of tuner chipsets are getting much better at multipath compensation. Hap Griffin VP-Engineering SCETV Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: color tv antennas
OK, then can you explain how 'color' antennas have more bandwidth? Joe M. skipp025 wrote: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skipp, Usually I would not argue with you, but.. So your point is that the BW antennas only cover segments of each channel while the color antennas cover the entire 6 MHz segment? Nope... not what I posted... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: color tv antennas
mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, then can you explain how 'color' antennas have more bandwidth? Joe M. Nope... If your interest is peaked, try looking up Color TV Antenna work by Oliver Swan. s. [paste] So your point is that the BW antennas only cover segments of each channel while the color antennas cover the entire 6 MHz segment? Nope... not what I posted... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] cadillac,mi tower space needed
hello group, i am looking for tower space around cadillac mi to put an ham repeater i am trying to link across mich and am having a hard time finding willing tower owners this area this is all nonprofit and out of our pockets i have the equipment just need space for vhf / uhf any input is welcome thanks brad w8qpo Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
- Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant And my reply was 'isn't directional better for ANYTHING?' (not just DTV) Joe M. OK...I see what you meant now...yes, I agree. Hap Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Vanity call resumes
If anyone read the notice the owner of that web page is no longer interested in running the web page so it may go out someday unless someone bought it . wn1b8 wrote: Go to www.vanityhq.com. All the info you need is there. Scott Madison, WN1B --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Maire-Radios" maire- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do you get a vanity call sign? could you please give me a little info? thanks - Original Message - From: "N9WYS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Vanity call resumes They discontinued after the hurricane problems along the Gulf coast - mainly because many hams in that area couldn't renew licenses and/or apply for vanity call signs for a while. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim B. Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:18 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vanity call resumes Coy Hilton wrote: FCC processing of Vanity Calls scheduled to resume January 4 2006. 73 AC0Y didn't know they stopped. can't imagine why they would either... (not that it matters to me anyway) -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. org:Harvest Assembly of God email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student note;quoted-printable:IT, Member IEEE, Life Member ARRL, Assoc. Member SBE, CRO=0D=0A= Welcome to the Snowy stuff of Michigan=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
[Repeater-Builder] WANTED
I am looking for several Motorola TLN8381 PL reeds, 136.5 Hz. for a voter project... Please contact me if you have them to sell or trade. Lance N2HBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] cadillac,mi tower space needed
Brad; Are you in Cadillac, MI. ? there was a attempt to put a UHF Business courtsey system between Big Rapids, Grand Rapids, and Cadillac all I heard was the color of money mentioned check with W8HVG Abe in GR via. Independent Repeater Assn. the Repeater Coordinators you may want to look the facts 1st. Mark AB8RU Allegan Co. MI. w8qpo wrote: hello group, i am looking for tower space around cadillac mi to put an ham repeater i am trying to link across mich and am having a hard time finding willing tower owners this area this is all nonprofit and out of our pockets i have the equipment just need space for vhf / uhf any input is welcome thanks brad w8qpo Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. org:Harvest Assembly of God email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student note;quoted-printable:IT, Member IEEE, Life Member ARRL, Assoc. Member SBE, CRO=0D=0A= Welcome to the Snowy stuff of Michigan=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio Shack 10% Off Coupon good to 12/23
maybe from 1990 may beee vmckever wrote: Are they still black and white Neil? Just could not pass that up Vincent N6OA - Original Message - From: "Neil McKie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio Shack 10% Off Coupon good to 12/23 I used to have a RCA TV ... was a black and white ... got it back in the late fifties. Now I have a Sony, a Toshiba and a couple of others too. Neil "Mark A. Holman" wrote: Say I did see a AKAI TV set there seems like they are venturing the consumer mkt. also Sams Club carries AKAI also. I already have a RCA TV Neil McKie wrote: May work ok ... if you bother going to radio shaft at all ... Neil - WA6KLA Mike Morris wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:21:38 - Subject: Radio Shack 10% Off Coupon http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/email/RSK_12_16_05_1.html Expires 23 December Yahoo! Groups Links -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS + Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. org:Harvest Assembly of God email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student note;quoted-printable:IT, Member IEEE, Life Member ARRL, Assoc. Member SBE, CRO=0D=0A= Welcome to the Snowy stuff of Michigan=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Repeater-Builder] hdtv radio shack ant ????
just look at each TV Station Channel assignment I'll give the Grand Rapids, MI approximates so bear with me, WWMT Ch. 2 Digital, Ch. 3 Analog WOOD Ch 7 Digital, Ch. 8 Analog, CH. 41 Analog ( its call is WOTV, and simulcasts ) this one is also simlucast LPTV analog and studio cotrols another LPTV called Urban TV owned by LIN Television WZZM TV 12 Digital, CH. 13 Analog WXMI Ch. 17 Analog, and Ch. 19 Digital ( FOX network ) you may have to plug in Broadcasting try http://www.broadcast.net also Society of Broadcast Engineers http://www.sbe.org that has lots of links and keep you surfin til the cows come home :-) if You want into Broadcast Career lots of jobs and BTW Join SBE ! Merry Christmas Toby wrote: hi just got me a hdtv at mal mart with hdtv tuner build inside. i get the best tv picture i every had. here .. at what freqency in the uhf band is the hdtv send on... cant seem to find it anywhere on the internet...??? i useing a homebuild uhf ant with a pre amp.. would like to build the ant for for the hdtv frequency..? toby...n9fdf YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. org:Harvest Assembly of God email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student note;quoted-printable:IT, Member IEEE, Life Member ARRL, Assoc. Member SBE, CRO=0D=0A= Welcome to the Snowy stuff of Michigan=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
[Repeater-Builder] Icom 144, 220, 440 Band Units
Title: Icom 144, 220, 440 Band Units Pictures on Request Good condition. $225 each or all for $600 Jerry WB6NYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Repeaters, 220 440
Title: Repeaters, 220 440 220 = Hamtronics TX/RX with Xtal Ovens, Rack Mount $300 440 = GE master pro RX and Hamtronics RX, Rack Mount $200 Have RC-96 Controller Loaded with everything also. Jerry WB6NYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Telewave 400-512Mhz 250Watt Duplexer
Title: Telewave 400-512Mhz 250Watt Duplexer Model TPRD-4544. Excellent condition. List over $1360, Sell for $400 Super buy for someone! Jerry WB6NYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Skipp.Thank you for the info on duplexer tuningwith RF power change. Interesting. Maybe expansion of the actual can due to heat vs Invar rods? Gary YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Duplexer tuning info from Eagle
Eric/Skipp/Jeff and other guru's.Thank you for the great information and suggestions on duplexer tuning. I downloaded 'Duplexer Tuning Using the EAGLE Return Loss Bridge' instruction sheet and find it very informative. Maybe this old dog can learn some new tricks.Nice Repeater-Builder site - good group. Seasons Greetings to all. Gary K2UQ Trenton, NJ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Vanity call resumes
If you go onto the FCCs ULS page and drill down to the amateur licensing, there are the steps there to apply for a vanity call Its not that difficult I did it for a club I belong to. (Will County Emergency Management Amateurs we got call sign W9WIL.) The main thing the FCC is interested in is your . J Mark N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark A. Holman Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:15 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Vanity call resumes If anyone read the notice the owner of that web page is no longer interested in running the web page so it may go out someday unless someone bought it . wn1b8 wrote: Go to www.vanityhq.com. All the info you need is there.Scott Madison, WN1B--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Maire-Radios maire-[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do you get a vanity call sign? could you please give me a little info? thanks- Original Message - From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:17 PMSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Vanity call resumes They discontinued after the hurricane problems along the Gulf coast - mainlybecause many hams in that area couldn't renew licenses and/or apply for vanity call signs for a while.Mark - N9WYS-Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim B.Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:18 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vanity call resumesCoy Hilton wrote: FCC processing of Vanity Calls scheduled to resume January 4 2006. 73AC0Y didn't know they stopped. can't imagine why they would either...(not that it matters to me anyway)-- Jim BarbourWD8CHLYahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer tuning with Return Loss Bridge
Great idea (I hope) using a dual RF directional coupler as a Return Loss Bridge. We have a Bird dual coupler. Just hook up two Bird 43 slugs and meters and wham bam, tune away on low power of course. Or maybe some people have a dual needle wattmeter which would work well also? Cool beans. Gary K2UQ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: color tv antennas
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chris Huber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on Guys! I just want to know how to get HDTV on my repeater. :-) Chris N6ICW Don't get too excited Chris. I have HDTV on my repeater and it really messes with the 11 meter remote base... John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
