[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wilson PSC-1422 Power Supply

2007-12-25 Thread sgreact47
I located the roadmaps for the 45 and 100 watt PA sections.
I will give them to Mike for duplication and posting on RB.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Any word on locating the road maps yet ?
 
 The PSC1422 PS is repaired now.  See previous post.  
 I would like to get the schematic for the ACU45, 



[Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter Repeater bandplan, National Coordination, 100KHz splits etc

2007-12-25 Thread skipp025

  I'd bet the bigger hurdle would be convincing the users to 
  adapt all those individual radio to add tone encoders. There's 
  a lot of ancient hardware in use on 10m.

If there's known local activity in the area... people will try to 
find and use equipment that makes the machine. It's hard to get 
folks to sink money into repeater use radios  for bands that have 
minimal activity. 

 You can take my converted CB when you pry it from my cold, 
 dead fingers, etc.

Most serious CB Radio Operators I know don't mess around with basic 
CB equipment. Many have advanced HF Radios at home and export type 
CB's in their cars.  If you haven't checked out an Export CB for 
legit 10 meters then you're missing out. Some of the models are 
much more impressive (bells and whistles wise) that many Amateur 
Radios. 

 I once had a converted CB for 10 FM.  Added a CTCSS encoder; 
 worked fine.
 Bob NO6B

The low cost 555 based home-brew tone encoder project was originally 
designed and installed in a Regency HR-212 2-meter radio. 

http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic/so02148.html 

Both the encoder and the radio still work fine... although the 
receiver front-end is so wide it won't work well in a busy metro 
city but living large in the countryside with an old radio 
can be swell. 

If you have an active repeater on in the local area, people will 
find you if they know about you. 

cheers, 
skipp 






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

2007-12-25 Thread wd8chl
kb1we6r wrote:

 Why oh why did they pick 100KHz??? The 10m band is HUGE with no 
 activity (even when the band is open, there should be plenty of room 
 for a better repeater plan).
  Keith, WE6R in Monterey CA

Nope-FM is only allowed above 29.500, so we only have 29.5-29.7 for ANY
FM activity.

Jim


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wow!!! only $449!!!!

2007-12-25 Thread wd8chl
Ken Arck wrote:
 Ooops, dropped a 2 from the Ebay item number. Here's the correct one
 
 280185868722
 
 Ken


Guy also has an old Aerotron handheld he's trying to sell as an
AEROTRON FM VHF BASE STATION RADIO.

|cP



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

2007-12-25 Thread Paul Plack
Jim,

I'd be interested to know where in part 97 you find any restriction on FM below 
29.5. (Without debating it, of course.) ARRL bandplan, yes, but FCC rules?

Keith, we're also stuck with band-planning on other bands which didn't 
anticipate the popularity of FM repeaters. 2m is even more screwed up. Why have 
only 600 kHz offset, when it could have easily been double that? Duplexers 
would have been smaller, less expensive, worked better, etc.

The answer is nobody had figured out in the early 1960s that FM repeaters would 
grow to be the dominant mode on the band. Originally, repeaters used 30 kHz 
channel spacing with inputs between 146.0 and 146.4, then a 200 kHz buffer zone 
for simplex, and outputs between 146.6 and 147.0. When additional repeater 
subbands were added, it would have made sense to go to a 1 MHz split, but at 
the time too many repeater ops would have bitched about buying crystals and 
retuning duplexers.

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  - Original Message - 
  From: wd8chl 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high 
noise floor.


  kb1we6r wrote:

   Why oh why did they pick 100KHz??? The 10m band is HUGE with no 
   activity (even when the band is open, there should be plenty of room 
   for a better repeater plan).
    Keith, WE6R in Monterey CA

  Nope-FM is only allowed above 29.500, so we only have 29.5-29.7 for ANY
  FM activity.

  Jim


   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wow!!! only $449!!!!

2007-12-25 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
And that handheld looks a lot like the Repco unit I went to school on. It 
was either their 10-8 or 10-2 series. Repco sold these under a lot of 
different names. They could not sell them under their own name due to 
contract with the buyers.

These sold under the RCA, Aerotron, Wabco and about 200 others.

73
Glenn
WB4UIV

At 01:15 PM 12/25/07, you wrote:
Ken Arck wrote:
  Ooops, dropped a 2 from the Ebay item number. Here's the correct one
 
  280185868722
 
  Ken


Guy also has an old Aerotron handheld he's trying to sell as an
AEROTRON FM VHF BASE STATION RADIO.

|cP






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[Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread skipp025
The Grinch emailed me direct to say say he has the 
following plans for you in 2008: 

[The Unofficial list]

A simplex repeater parrot on your previously dead quiet 
input frequency. 

A new high-power co-channel repeater in the next county 
operating in carrier squelch on your frequency. Just to 
make sure you're paying attention he's got a whiz bang 
repeater controller speaking the time, id and IRLP info 
every 9 minutes.... and his receiver squelch is set 
way too loose. 

A Karaoke Mic used weekends in the local bar on your 
224 Repeater input frequency. 

Lots of free previously-used LMR-400 Coax given away to the 
locals for all high powered repeater systems who can install 
it quick... 
 
Two or more old-timer operators on your repeater who love 
to talk about their medical problems in depth. 

Pav-Paws Radar for the rest of the Country or an EPLRS 
System for those who miss out on the nearby Pav-Paws fun. 

American Tower wakes up from their coma and starts doing 
detailed site audits. 

Bootleg High-power FRS Radios for the kids on your local 
GMRS repeater input.  ... with ctcss encode of course. 

The co-located Broadcast Station increases power. 

ATT becomes your Phone Company. 

American Tower becomes the Owner Manager at your Repeater 
Site. 

Motorola buys into your radio company of choice... 

Narrow banding and D-Star to those with much spare time 
and money on their hands. 

IBOC Broadcast Radio for the masses... 

HD-TV actually displaces Analog TV from the air like they say 
it's going to happen.  

Hillary eyes a post at the FCC after her failed presidential 
run. 

Jingtong, Quansheng or Feidaxin start making low cost repeater 
equipment (with the same muffled tx-audio as supplied with their 
portable radios). 

MFJ starts manufacturing  selling repeater equipment...  

Someone gives your group a large number of old prom and eprom 
programmed radios. 

You get routed through Chicago O'Hare when going to Dayton 2008. 

The computer in your vehicle has a nice harmonic on your 
radio frequency of choice. You move to another location only to 
find another birdie on the new frequency. 

And of course... one of the local drunk trouble-making ham has 
a tape recorder on your repeater input frequency and has 
figured out most of your repeater controller commands. 

Happy 2008 says (emails) the Grinch... 

cheers,
:-) 





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

2007-12-25 Thread MCH
Actually, FM is allowed anywhere on HF. You just have the keep the
modulation index less than or equal to 1.

It's REPEATERS that are only allowed above 29.500 MHz.

Joe M.

wd8chl wrote:
 
 kb1we6r wrote:
 
  Why oh why did they pick 100KHz??? The 10m band is HUGE with no
  activity (even when the band is open, there should be plenty of room
  for a better repeater plan).
   Keith, WE6R in Monterey CA
 
 Nope-FM is only allowed above 29.500, so we only have 29.5-29.7 for ANY
 FM activity.
 
 Jim
 
 
 Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

2007-12-25 Thread MCH
Originally, repeaters were only legal on 146 MHz, I think.
I know techs didn't have access to the ones on 147 MHz at first.

Joe M.

 Paul Plack wrote:
 
 Jim,
 
 I'd be interested to know where in part 97 you find any restriction on
 FM below 29.5. (Without debating it, of course.) ARRL bandplan, yes,
 but FCC rules?
 
 Keith, we're also stuck with band-planning on other bands which didn't
 anticipate the popularity of FM repeaters. 2m is even more screwed up.
 Why have only 600 kHz offset, when it could have easily been double
 that? Duplexers would have been smaller, less expensive, worked
 better, etc.
 
 The answer is nobody had figured out in the early 1960s that FM
 repeaters would grow to be the dominant mode on the band. Originally,
 repeaters used 30 kHz channel spacing with inputs between 146.0 and
 146.4, then a 200 kHz buffer zone for simplex, and outputs between
 146.6 and 147.0. When additional repeater subbands were added, it
 would have made sense to go to a 1 MHz split, but at the time too many
 repeater ops would have bitched about buying crystals and retuning
 duplexers.
 
 73,
 Paul, AE4KR
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: wd8chl
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help,
  split site, high noise floor.
 
  kb1we6r wrote:
 
   Why oh why did they pick 100KHz??? The 10m band is HUGE
  with no
   activity (even when the band is open, there should be
  plenty of room
   for a better repeater plan).
    Keith, WE6R in Monterey CA
 
  Nope-FM is only allowed above 29.500, so we only have
  29.5-29.7 for ANY
  FM activity.
 
  Jim
 
 


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread Paul Plack
...Your club elected a tech-challenged board, and they don't see any reason to 
pay more than the cost of the great new Casio nickel-coated-PVC duplexers!

Merry Christmas!

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  - Original Message - 
  From: skipp025 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 12:10 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks 
going into 2008


  The Grinch emailed me direct to say say he has the 
  following plans for you in 2008: 

  [The Unofficial list]

  A simplex repeater parrot on your previously dead quiet 
  input frequency. 

  A new high-power co-channel repeater in the next county 
  operating in carrier squelch on your frequency. Just to 
  make sure you're paying attention he's got a whiz bang 
  repeater controller speaking the time, id and IRLP info 
  every 9 minutes. ... and his receiver squelch is set 
  way too loose. 

  A Karaoke Mic used weekends in the local bar on your 
  224 Repeater input frequency. 

  Lots of free previously-used LMR-400 Coax given away to the 
  locals for all high powered repeater systems who can install 
  it quick... 

  Two or more old-timer operators on your repeater who love 
  to talk about their medical problems in depth. 

  Pav-Paws Radar for the rest of the Country or an EPLRS 
  System for those who miss out on the nearby Pav-Paws fun. 

  American Tower wakes up from their coma and starts doing 
  detailed site audits. 

  Bootleg High-power FRS Radios for the kids on your local 
  GMRS repeater input. ... with ctcss encode of course. 

  The co-located Broadcast Station increases power. 

  ATT becomes your Phone Company. 

  American Tower becomes the Owner Manager at your Repeater 
  Site. 

  Motorola buys into your radio company of choice... 

  Narrow banding and D-Star to those with much spare time 
  and money on their hands. 

  IBOC Broadcast Radio for the masses... 

  HD-TV actually displaces Analog TV from the air like they say 
  it's going to happen. 

  Hillary eyes a post at the FCC after her failed presidential 
  run. 

  Jingtong, Quansheng or Feidaxin start making low cost repeater 
  equipment (with the same muffled tx-audio as supplied with their 
  portable radios). 

  MFJ starts manufacturing  selling repeater equipment... 

  Someone gives your group a large number of old prom and eprom 
  programmed radios. 

  You get routed through Chicago O'Hare when going to Dayton 2008. 

  The computer in your vehicle has a nice harmonic on your 
  radio frequency of choice. You move to another location only to 
  find another birdie on the new frequency. 

  And of course... one of the local drunk trouble-making ham has 
  a tape recorder on your repeater input frequency and has 
  figured out most of your repeater controller commands. 

  Happy 2008 says (emails) the Grinch... 

  cheers,
  :-) 



   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wilson PSC-1422 Power Supply

2007-12-25 Thread rb_n3dab
Just in time for Christmas too,  What a present.  Thanks and looking forward to 
seeing the post on the RB site.
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709

 sgreact47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=
I located the roadmaps for the 45 and 100 watt PA sections.
I will give them to Mike for duplication and posting on RB.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Any word on locating the road maps yet ?
 
 The PSC1422 PS is repaired now.  See previous post.  
 I would like to get the schematic for the ACU45, 




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 12:10 PM 12/25/07, you wrote:
The Grinch emailed me direct to say say he has the
following plans for you in 2008:

[The Unofficial list]

(big chomp cut out)


The co-located Broadcast Station increases power.

And the new engineer doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

ATT becomes your Phone Company.

I wish !!!
I've got Verizon now (formerly the Great Telephone Experiment)

Someone gives your group a large number of old prom and eprom
programmed radios.

And they have left-hand thread TNC connectors and are +/- 15khz deviation...

You get routed through Chicago O'Hare when going to Dayton 2008.

...during a baggage handlers strike...

The computer in your vehicle has a nice harmonic on your
radio frequency of choice. You move to another location only to
find another birdie on the new frequency.

...and the vehicle electronics is even more sensitive than the
old VW fastback fuel injections systems... (see note)

And of course... one of the local drunk trouble-making ham has
a tape recorder on your repeater input frequency and has
figured out most of your repeater controller commands.

... and publishes them on a web site...

Happy 2008 says (emails) the Grinch...

cheers,
:-)

The old VW fuel injection systems were so sensitive that 30w on
6m in the adjacent lane would cause them to sputter and die...

Mike WA6ILQ



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread Don Kupferschmidt
I like the idea of a  local drunk trouble-making ham who has
a tape recorder on your repeater input frequency and has
figured out most of your repeater controller commands.

And I thought, when I was a repeater trustee, that I had all of the troubles 
in the world . . . . .

Don, KD9PT

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio 
folks going into 2008


 At 12:10 PM 12/25/07, you wrote:
The Grinch emailed me direct to say say he has the
following plans for you in 2008:

[The Unofficial list]

 (big chomp cut out)


The co-located Broadcast Station increases power.

 And the new engineer doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

ATT becomes your Phone Company.

 I wish !!!
 I've got Verizon now (formerly the Great Telephone Experiment)

Someone gives your group a large number of old prom and eprom
programmed radios.

 And they have left-hand thread TNC connectors and are +/- 15khz 
 deviation...

You get routed through Chicago O'Hare when going to Dayton 2008.

 ...during a baggage handlers strike...

The computer in your vehicle has a nice harmonic on your
radio frequency of choice. You move to another location only to
find another birdie on the new frequency.

 ...and the vehicle electronics is even more sensitive than the
 old VW fastback fuel injections systems... (see note)

And of course... one of the local drunk trouble-making ham has
a tape recorder on your repeater input frequency and has
figured out most of your repeater controller commands.

 ... and publishes them on a web site...

Happy 2008 says (emails) the Grinch...

cheers,
:-)

 The old VW fuel injection systems were so sensitive that 30w on
 6m in the adjacent lane would cause them to sputter and die...

 Mike WA6ILQ






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[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Q202G duplexer Conversion

2007-12-25 Thread wpp3
Read the posts here already and wish to clarify a few things. First I
am in the process of converting a Q202G from the 160mhz range down
into the 2m band, specifically 144.7500/145.3500Mhz.  I have found
that I will need to replace the harness to do this as it will not tune
down that far.  

1.  I Understand I must make the harnesses at 1/4 wavelength each
between the cavities and from the cavities to the antenna T
connector.   What is the formula for the exact cable length?  i.e. 1/4
wavelength of freq * velocity factor of cable = cable segment length?

2. Are the lengths exactly the same for the low and the high sides or
are they dependent on individual frequency for each side.

3. Where is the measurement taken? From tip-to-tip of cable or from
center-of-T to center-of-T, etc?

4. In relation to #3 I will be using a N-Male/UHF-Female adapter on
each can. Then connecting the T to that adapter.  Will this affect
the cable harness length calculations and if so how?

Thanks in advance!

Best Regards,
 Bill - W4RVN



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread jim Hall
Now the ATC part is Not Funny!

Merry Christmas,
Jim
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Matching a 75 ohm antenna

2007-12-25 Thread no6b
At 12/23/2007 23:52, you wrote:

Bob, those 1/12 wave lenths are prety short, I figuerd (in my head)
about 6 for 2 meter ham band. That may be hard to make, and to test.
Did Puff give any dimentions?

No, but it's easy to figure out: if 1/4 wavelength in typical coax is ~13, 
then 1/12 wavelength would be 4 1/3.  At that length the connectors begin 
to be problematic, as their lengths become a significant portion of the 
line.  Using N connectors should simplify things a bit, as most of the N 
connector is air dielectric, the rest teflon.

Bob NO6B



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Q202G duplexer Conversion

2007-12-25 Thread Burt Lang


wpp3 wrote:
 Read the posts here already and wish to clarify a few things. First I
 am in the process of converting a Q202G from the 160mhz range down
 into the 2m band, specifically 144.7500/145.3500Mhz.  I have found
 that I will need to replace the harness to do this as it will not tune
 down that far.  
 
 1.  I Understand I must make the harnesses at 1/4 wavelength each
 between the cavities and from the cavities to the antenna T
 connector.   What is the formula for the exact cable length?  i.e. 1/4
 wavelength of freq * velocity factor of cable = cable segment length?

That is the proper formula but don't get too hung up on exact lengths.

 
 2. Are the lengths exactly the same for the low and the high sides or
 are they dependent on individual frequency for each side.

The lengths are not highly critical.  AFAIK Sinclair only had 2 standard 
harnesses, one for the low part of the band and one for the high part. 
The low split harness cables were about 1 inch longer each.

 
 3. Where is the measurement taken? From tip-to-tip of cable or from
 center-of-T to center-of-T, etc?

Between center of Tees.

 
 4. In relation to #3 I will be using a N-Male/UHF-Female adapter on
 each can. Then connecting the T to that adapter.  Will this affect
 the cable harness length calculations and if so how?

Maybe or maybe not the length of the cables.  However anything that will 
lengthen the distance between the center of the Tee and the loop will 
affect the tuning and depth of the notches.

Now the key question.  Why would anyone want to use a pitifully 
inadequate so-called UHF adapter or connector on a well designed system 
that is intended to have N type connectors.  Throw out all your UHF 
connectors and adaptors and go with the proper type N connectors.  Save 
yourself a lot a hassle later with problems related to the UHF connector 
series.

That is just my opinion based on past experience.  Others may differ.

Burt  VE2BMQ



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Q202G duplexer Conversion

2007-12-25 Thread Eric Lemmon
Bill,

This topic has been addressed several times in recent years.  There is no
formula for the harness; Sinclair makes two harnesses, one with 12
between tees, and another (for the 136-150 MHz split) with 14 between tees.
The coupling loops are identical between splits; the harness is the only
difference.  The harness is completely symmetrical.

It may be easier to simply purchase the correct low-split harness from
Sinclair, for about $150.  The harness is fabricate with Delta crimped tee
connectors.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wpp3
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 12:35 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Q202G duplexer Conversion

Read the posts here already and wish to clarify a few things. First I
am in the process of converting a Q202G from the 160mhz range down
into the 2m band, specifically 144.7500/145.3500Mhz. I have found
that I will need to replace the harness to do this as it will not tune
down that far. 

1. I Understand I must make the harnesses at 1/4 wavelength each
between the cavities and from the cavities to the antenna T
connector. What is the formula for the exact cable length? i.e. 1/4
wavelength of freq * velocity factor of cable = cable segment length?

2. Are the lengths exactly the same for the low and the high sides or
are they dependent on individual frequency for each side.

3. Where is the measurement taken? From tip-to-tip of cable or from
center-of-T to center-of-T, etc?

4. In relation to #3 I will be using a N-Male/UHF-Female adapter on
each can. Then connecting the T to that adapter. Will this affect
the cable harness length calculations and if so how?

Thanks in advance!

Best Regards,
Bill - W4RVN




[Repeater-Builder] feedline advice

2007-12-25 Thread Willis M. Hagler
Hello All,

I am putting up a UHF repeater in Seattle and have a question
regarding feedline losses.The repeater site is on top of a
building and the distance from where the repeater/duplexer will be
located is less than 25 feet of coax distance away from the antenna
mount.  

Of course I would like to reduce the system losses as much as possible
so I'm willing to pay for ~25 feet of 7/8 Heliax.  However my
question is more about the loss experienced with inter-series
connectors in the feedline.   

The 7/8 Heliax is not very friendly to bend and route into the
cabinet for direct connection to the duplexer, so every repeater I've
seen has a short chunk of something more friendly like RG-214 going
from the duplexer, through the cabinet, and then joins to the Heliax
with some kind of N-male/N-male adapter.  

What kind of signal loss occurs through such an adapter at 442mhz?  On
such a short run am I losing more signal through a Male/Male adapter,
such that I just may be better off running a single segment of RG-214
the entire 25 feet?

As far as I can tell, 25 feet of RG-214 would be about 1.28 dB of
loss, while 25 feet of LDF5-50a Heliax would be as low as 0.2 dB, but
if a single Male/Male adapter causes anything close to 1 dB of loss
than it seems like a wash to me...

Thanks for any advice.   

73 and Merry Christmas to everyone.

Mark Hagler
W7WMH Seattle




Re: [Repeater-Builder] feedline advice

2007-12-25 Thread Jay Urish
Just go get some 1/2 suplerflex and call it good.

Willis M. Hagler wrote:
 
 
 Hello All,
 
 I am putting up a UHF repeater in Seattle and have a question
 regarding feedline losses. The repeater site is on top of a
 building and the distance from where the repeater/duplexer will be
 located is less than 25 feet of coax distance away from the antenna
 mount.
 
 Of course I would like to reduce the system losses as much as possible
 so I'm willing to pay for ~25 feet of 7/8 Heliax. However my
 question is more about the loss experienced with inter-series
 connectors in the feedline.
 
 The 7/8 Heliax is not very friendly to bend and route into the
 cabinet for direct connection to the duplexer, so every repeater I've
 seen has a short chunk of something more friendly like RG-214 going
 from the duplexer, through the cabinet, and then joins to the Heliax
 with some kind of N-male/N-male adapter.
 
 What kind of signal loss occurs through such an adapter at 442mhz? On
 such a short run am I losing more signal through a Male/Male adapter,
 such that I just may be better off running a single segment of RG-214
 the entire 25 feet?
 
 As far as I can tell, 25 feet of RG-214 would be about 1.28 dB of
 loss, while 25 feet of LDF5-50a Heliax would be as low as 0.2 dB, but
 if a single Male/Male adapter causes anything close to 1 dB of loss
 than it seems like a wash to me...
 
 Thanks for any advice.
 
 73 and Merry Christmas to everyone.
 
 Mark Hagler
 W7WMH Seattle

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N5ERS VP/Trustee

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: feedline advice

2007-12-25 Thread ldgelectronics
Jay is correct. A 25 foot length of LDF4 (1/2 Anrdew) would be good 
and have about 0.4 db loss. It's also pretty good for felxability. I 
just picked Andrew since I had that spec sheet handy. Other brands 
would also be good.

Most adpaters will be in the 0.2 db loss area at 450 MHz. Obviously 
minimize the number, but don't worry about one or two.

Dwayne Kincaid
WD8OYG


 Just go get some 1/2 suplerflex and call it good.
 
 Willis M. Hagler wrote:
  
  
  Hello All,
  
  I am putting up a UHF repeater in Seattle and have a question
  regarding feedline losses. The repeater site is on top of a
  building and the distance from where the repeater/duplexer will be
  located is less than 25 feet of coax distance away from the 
antenna
  mount.
  
  Of course I would like to reduce the system losses as much as 
possible
  so I'm willing to pay for ~25 feet of 7/8 Heliax. However my
  question is more about the loss experienced with inter-series
  connectors in the feedline.
  
  The 7/8 Heliax is not very friendly to bend and route into the
  cabinet for direct connection to the duplexer, so every repeater 
I've
  seen has a short chunk of something more friendly like RG-214 
going
  from the duplexer, through the cabinet, and then joins to the 
Heliax
  with some kind of N-male/N-male adapter.
  
  What kind of signal loss occurs through such an adapter at 
442mhz? On
  such a short run am I losing more signal through a Male/Male 
adapter,
  such that I just may be better off running a single segment of RG-
214
  the entire 25 feet?
  
  As far as I can tell, 25 feet of RG-214 would be about 1.28 dB of
  loss, while 25 feet of LDF5-50a Heliax would be as low as 0.2 dB, 
but
  if a single Male/Male adapter causes anything close to 1 dB of 
loss
  than it seems like a wash to me...
  
  Thanks for any advice.
  
  73 and Merry Christmas to everyone.
  
  Mark Hagler
  W7WMH Seattle
 
 -- 
 Jay Urish W5GM
 ARRL Life Member  Denton County ARRL VEC
 N5ERS VP/Trustee  
 
 Monitoring 444.850 PL-88.5





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

2007-12-25 Thread wd8chl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jim - you meant to say Repeaters are allowed above 29.500, not  FM. FM is 
 allowed above 29.000 MHz.
 
 LJ

No, the only thing I should've added was 'wide-band' FM, ie, anything 
that occupies more bandwidth then a normal AM signal.


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread wd8chl
Paul Plack wrote:
 ...Your club elected a tech-challenged board,

...and they all actually believe that the made-for-ham repeater 
equipment is better then commercial grade Motorola or GE simply because 
it's newer.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Grinch words/list for repeater and radio folks going into 2008

2007-12-25 Thread wd8chl
Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote:

 I wish !!!
 I've got Verizon now (formerly the Great Telephone Experiment)

Generally Trashy Electronics...





Re: [Repeater-Builder] feedline advice

2007-12-25 Thread no6b
At 12/25/2007 21:19, you wrote:

Hello All,

I am putting up a UHF repeater in Seattle and have a question
regarding feedline losses. The repeater site is on top of a
building and the distance from where the repeater/duplexer will be
located is less than 25 feet of coax distance away from the antenna
mount.

Of course I would like to reduce the system losses as much as possible
so I'm willing to pay for ~25 feet of 7/8 Heliax. However my
question is more about the loss experienced with inter-series
connectors in the feedline.

An N male or female barrel is essentially lossless @ 450 MHz.  I use them 
routinely at several GHz with no major losses noted.

Bob NO6B