Re: [Repeater-Builder] Linking with the Alinco DR-235T tranceivers
At 04:47 PM 12/29/07, you wrote: Let's see what is wrong with my statement. The repeater controller keys up the link radio via the PTT. The Audio Delay Board places a one second delay on the audio being sent to the link radio. This allows the 2 Alinco radios on either side of the link to key up and the PL encode/decode functions to complete. After the 1 second delay, the audio is passed through to the other repeater that is being linked to. ... and the n the person stops talking and the Alinco takes SECONDS to stop decoding PL... then there si the dealy until the relying person presses his PTT, and another 1 second delay for his audio to start coming back to you. Why will this not work? Because you haven't thought it all the way through. Will you be able to tolerate 3-4 seconds of delay each time the conversation turns around? Return the Alincos, and get a decent radio. A pair of M10, M50, M100, M120 or similar Maxtrac or Radius radios are all you need. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anybody have a FM Magazine collection?
Sure Brings back some fond memories Mike.Ken came out wuth an Repeater Book with most of the FM articles, also ARRL came out with an excellant Book on Repeaters. In the late 60's I installed my 1st 440 Repeater using An Motorola Upright Cabinet with Meters on the Top, it was all Vacuum tube with an Secode Decoder Patterned after Kens article in FM for Autopatch. Worked great. Had an Homemade Secode encoder in the Car. Was using an GE Prog line on 440 Mobile At that time, It was necesay to Apply to the FCC for an Repeater license along with Block diagram of the system. They issued an License. which I still have.[ WR4AWL]. Had a lot of fun at that time. Range was about 12 Miles, which covered most of Bradenton,Fla. Just my 2 Cents of Rambling. Wesley
[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater Help - Using M120 Mobile
I have a Motorola repeater that I'm trying to reprogram.. current config is with a CDM1250 TX and M120 RX repeater set-up... I'm trying to program a Motorola M120 mobile... and when I try to read it... the software tells me Model Definition File Not Found Please insert disk... I checked the .mdf file on the hard drive and it is in the same path as the GM300.exe file Any help?
[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn
[Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 VHF base station conversion to repeater
Hello, I have a VHF MSR 2000, Model C73KSB3146B. I had previously converted it to the 2 meter band, as I needed a 100 watt radio to access a distant repeater. However, I would now like to make it a repeater if at all possible. I have been told by a local Motorola tech that it is possible to do so by adding a Squelch Gate module, and I have seen on this site instructions on how to interface a repeater controller to the Squelch Gate card. Does anyone have any experience in converting a conventional MSR 2000 base station into a repeater? I would also guess that I need to remove the antenna relay, and connect the receiver to the receive side of the duplexer and the transmitter to the transmit side. Of course I would also have to have the channel elements re-crystalled. Is there anything more to it than this? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Eric K8UHN
[Repeater-Builder] Wanted...PL Vibrasponder for MSR2000
Greetings... I need a KLN6209 for 100.0hz (1Z). Most traditional sources have dried up, but there have to be drawers-full somewhere. Thanks for the replies. Jeff
[Repeater-Builder] Simoco FX5000 UHF? Information needed!
I have the chanceto pck up the above mention for a good price. However, it is rated at 440-470mhz. For the UK I need it to go down to 430 output and 438 input. Does anyone have any info on these? JJ G0KSC
[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR-400 Coax use for Repeater to Duplexer Connections
Your post is interesting as we have not had a good LMR debate in a while. Most are going to say avoid it, some will say that there is no problem with it. I'm in the middle. At my house or shop, I use it all the time. I use it for testing repeaters, feed line to the antenna or anyplace I can put it. It's cheap and easy to work with and put connectors on. At the repeater site or on a commercial tower, no way! Not even one jumper cable. The argument here is the braid and foil are dissimilar metals and will create noise. I've never heard it, but at a real repeater site (my tower or not), I'm not taking any chances. In a pinch and having minimal risk, you may get by using it on the repeater side of the duplexer (as you are doing). On the antenna side (where the RX and TX are together), the risk goes up for picking up noise. The bottom line is that there is risk in using it and you have to weigh that out. Some commercial sites that I'm on do not allow it anyplace. Whether that is right or wrong, it will definitely tell you something. Dwayne Kincaid WD8OYG I remember this was a topic of discussion over a year ago and I read all the posts but I do not find a definitive yes or no answer on whether or not to use LMR-400 Coax as the interconnect between my UHF repeater and duplexer. I have two 2' cables with N-Connectors at the duplexer and PL-259s at the repeater (that is what is on the repeater). Comments or recommendations to ensure a successful build? Thanks, Rob, N4RPD
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 VHF base station conversion to repeater
At 08:48 PM 12/29/07, you wrote: Hello, I have a VHF MSR 2000, Model C73KSB3146B. I had previously converted it to the 2 meter band, as I needed a 100 watt radio to access a distant repeater. However, I would now like to make it a repeater if at all possible. I have been told by a local Motorola tech that it is possible to do so by adding a Squelch Gate module, and I have seen on this site instructions on how to interface a repeater controller to the Squelch Gate card. Does anyone have any experience in converting a conventional MSR 2000 base station into a repeater? I would also guess that I need to remove the antenna relay, and connect the receiver to the receive side of the duplexer and the transmitter to the transmit side. Of course I would also have to have the channel elements re-crystalled. Is there anything more to it than this? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Eric K8UHN Did you check the web site associated with this mailing list? I suggest you go to www.repeater-builder.com, then to Motorola, then to Mitrek / MSR2000 and scroll down to the three different articles all of which describe exactly what you are looking to do. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] LMR-400 Coax use for Repeater to Duplexer Connections
Go to www.repeater-builder.com and then to the Antenna Systems page. Scroll down to System Engineering and read the second article titled Recommended Coax and Connectors for the iDEN Enhanced Base Transceiver System. Now I know that iDEN is not an amateur system but the physics holds true. Mike WA6ILQ At 11:52 PM 12/29/07, you wrote: I remember this was a topic of discussion over a year ago and I read all the posts but I do not find a definitive yes or no answer on whether or not to use LMR-400 Coax as the interconnect between my UHF repeater and duplexer. I have two 2' cables with N-Connectors at the duplexer and PL-259s at the repeater (that is what is on the repeater). Comments or recommendations to ensure a successful build? Thanks, Rob, N4RPD Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Repeater Help - Using M120 Mobile
At 10:10 AM 12/29/07, you wrote: I have a Motorola repeater that I'm trying to reprogram.. current config is with a CDM1250 TX and M120 RX repeater set-up... I'm trying to program a Motorola M120 mobile... and when I try to read it... the software tells me Model Definition File Not Found Please insert disk... I checked the .mdf file on the hard drive and it is in the same path as the GM300.exe file Any help? I can think of two right off the bat... 1) the MDF and the exe are paired... they have to be the same revision number (i..e the installation process places both on the hard drive... are you sure they are matching? 2) were they ever copied to a CD and back? Moto had a programming error in some of the RSS where the EXE had to open the MDF in writable mode, even tho all it ever did was read it.. If the software was copied to a CD and back it can have the read-only flag set. Use the DOS command ATTRIB to fix it. To avoid that problem in the future just zip up the software, then copy the ZIP file to the CD, then copy it back to the hard disk and unzip it. The zip and unzip process preserves all file flags, not just the read only one. Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn
[Repeater-Builder] Programing standard gx4800UT
I must be doing something wrong. When you power up the radio holding the phone button, is it supposed to go into some sort of 'clone' mode? Does anybody remember how to program these things? I have the 1.4 software... -- Jay Urish CCNANetwork Engineer http://jay.unixwolf.net Home)972.691.0125Cell)972.965.6229
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 VHF base station conversion to repeater
In addition to the stuff on the repeater-builder site -- or perhaps before it. Just go through the MSR2000 service manual and set it up as a repeater. Other than the squelch gate card, there are jumpers on the backplane, and I think maybe on another card or two. The manual has tables for the backplane and associated cards, just go through the list and set them up. On Dec 30, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: At 08:48 PM 12/29/07, you wrote: Hello, I have a VHF MSR 2000, Model C73KSB3146B. I had previously converted it to the 2 meter band, as I needed a 100 watt radio to access a distant repeater. However, I would now like to make it a repeater if at all possible. I have been told by a local Motorola tech that it is possible to do so by adding a Squelch Gate module, and I have seen on this site instructions on how to interface a repeater controller to the Squelch Gate card. Does anyone have any experience in converting a conventional MSR 2000 base station into a repeater? I would also guess that I need to remove the antenna relay, and connect the receiver to the receive side of the duplexer and the transmitter to the transmit side. Of course I would also have to have the channel elements re-crystalled. Is there anything more to it than this? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Eric K8UHN Did you check the web site associated with this mailing list? I suggest you go to www.repeater-builder.com, then to Motorola, then to Mitrek / MSR2000 and scroll down to the three different articles all of which describe exactly what you are looking to do. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
In order to jump-start the project I suggested in my previous post, the following listings were found in the Motorola Online database, a few minutes ago. Any physical description of them is appreciated: TLE5721B DUPLEX TEE R/T 3 MHZ -- CANCELLED TLE5731B DUPLEX TEE R/T 5 MHZ -- CANCELLED TLE5732A DUPLEX TEE -- $ 181.90 TLE5771A DPLX TEE FOR XMT ABOVE RCV -- CANCELLED TLE5772A DPLX TEE FOR XMT ABOVE RCV -- $ 172.55 TLE5781B DUPLEX TEE T/R 3 MHZ -- $ 101.15 3082092X01 CABLE DUPLEX TEE -- CANCELLED There may be other tee cables that are not listed on MOL. The above listings are verbatim. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:50 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn
[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR-400 Coax use........
Rob, Never use LMR-400 in a repeater system where you transmit through it. It would be OK to use in your receiver to duplexer jumper but not for the transmitter to duplexer jumper. Supposedly, the dissimilar metals of the foil and braided shield can create broadband micro-arcs when significant amounts of RF is carried by the coax. YMMV 73, Al, K9SI LMR-400 Coax use for Repeater to Duplexer Connections Posted by: n4rpd [EMAIL PROTECTED] n4rpd Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:52 pm ((PST)) I remember this was a topic of discussion over a year ago and I read all the posts but I do not find a definitive yes or no answer on whether or not to use LMR-400 Coax as the interconnect between my UHF repeater and duplexer. I have two 2' cables with N-Connectors at the duplexer and PL-259s at the repeater (that is what is on the repeater). Comments or recommendations to ensure a successful build? Thanks, Rob, N4RPD
Re: [Repeater-Builder] LMR-400 Coax use for Repeater to Duplexer Connections
Personally, I would not use LMR cable anywhere. For some short jumpers I'd use RG-400 which uses two silver-plated braids and is about the same diameter as RG-58. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: n4rpd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:52 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] LMR-400 Coax use for Repeater to Duplexer Connections I remember this was a topic of discussion over a year ago and I read all the posts but I do not find a definitive yes or no answer on whether or not to use LMR-400 Coax as the interconnect between my UHF repeater and duplexer. I have two 2' cables with N-Connectors at the duplexer and PL-259s at the repeater (that is what is on the repeater). Comments or recommendations to ensure a successful build? Thanks, Rob, N4RPD Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR2000 VHF base station conversion to repeater
Eric, There is a list of the min required jumpers used in the MSR-2000 repeater station included in my MSR-2000 to external repeater controller text found at the www.radiowrench.com/sonic web site. Working from a decafe based hazy memory... there should be 4 to 6 jumpers required on the back plane. And the remaining modules need some specific jumpers and mods depending on your choice of carrier squelch or ctcss (pl) operation, which can be set up as selectable. You're looking at placing the repeater into duplex mode, which normally requires specific modules be in place with a number of jumpers. Buy a used Motorola Micor Repeater Squelch Gate off Ebay, swap the end connector with an unused MSR Module and save big $ The big issue module combination wise is the transmit channel element ground/enable, which can be provided by the wire-line and/or squelch gate module. If you pull the F1-PL/Guard Tone Modules in the wireline tone control combo or the DC-Transfer module in the wireline dc current loop combination... you need to install jumpers JU-5 and JU-6 on the new Squelch Gate Module. You can Email me direct if you have more questions... or I'm happy to answer them through the group if they don't drag out to long and torque off the neighbors. Removing the T/R Relay is no big deal so that's not a problem. Great repeater if you align and treat it right... cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:48 PM 12/29/07, you wrote: Hello, I have a VHF MSR 2000, Model C73KSB3146B. I had previously converted it to the 2 meter band, as I needed a 100 watt radio to access a distant repeater. However, I would now like to make it a repeater if at all possible. I have been told by a local Motorola tech that it is possible to do so by adding a Squelch Gate module, and I have seen on this site instructions on how to interface a repeater controller to the Squelch Gate card. Does anyone have any experience in converting a conventional MSR 2000 base station into a repeater? I would also guess that I need to remove the antenna relay, and connect the receiver to the receive side of the duplexer and the transmitter to the transmit side. Of course I would also have to have the channel elements re-crystalled. Is there anything more to it than this? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Eric K8UHN Did you check the web site associated with this mailing list? I suggest you go to www.repeater-builder.com, then to Motorola, then to Mitrek / MSR2000 and scroll down to the three different articles all of which describe exactly what you are looking to do. Mike WA6ILQ
[Repeater-Builder] Mitrek Reedless PL Board
Does anyone know for certain whether the Mitrek HLN4181A reedless PL board can be used for encode and decode simultaneously? Eric, KH6CQ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Repeater (i hope)
Hi All Building a Micor Repeater from Scratch Facts. Mother Board (unified Chassis ) origin unknown. Had to add a jumper for +12Volt to RX. Rx with audio works fine. Not using pl board ( control system does PL) Have great local speaker vol and squelch. Exciter, Tripler, PA and circulator all are in working order Have the following modules in the following slots counting from the right front. Audio Line Driver Slot 1 Station Control in Slot 2 Squelch gate in Slot 7 I can Key the transmit on the station control module The exciter and tripler key up and make power PA power comes up about 2 watts and drops off Power Control module check out in a known good complete Micor repeater. Control Transistor is good and plugged in correctly. Checked voltages Missing (- A Key ) minus A Key on the control module. Station Control Module (-A key ) does NOT come up. Station Control Module works in a known good micor repeater. I can add +12 volt to PA control terminal on the PA and PA makes lots of Power on the correct frequency but that bypasses the Circulator SWR protect etc The intent of the whole mess is to use the minimum of the Motorala modules since the Sierra Radio Control system has provisions for Squelch, PTT, RX and TX pl etc any Ideas?? Ralph, W7HSG ---BeginMessage--- Eric, There is a list of the min required jumpers used in the MSR-2000 repeater station included in my MSR-2000 to external repeater controller text found at the www.radiowrench.com/sonic web site. Working from a decafe based hazy memory... there should be 4 to 6 jumpers required on the back plane. And the remaining modules need some specific jumpers and mods depending on your choice of carrier squelch or ctcss (pl) operation, which can be set up as selectable. You're looking at placing the repeater into duplex mode, which normally requires specific modules be in place with a number of jumpers. Buy a used Motorola Micor Repeater Squelch Gate off Ebay, swap the end connector with an unused MSR Module and save big $ The big issue module combination wise is the transmit channel element ground/enable, which can be provided by the wire-line and/or squelch gate module. If you pull the F1-PL/Guard Tone Modules in the wireline tone control combo or the DC-Transfer module in the wireline dc current loop combination... you need to install jumpers JU-5 and JU-6 on the new Squelch Gate Module. You can Email me direct if you have more questions... or I'm happy to answer them through the group if they don't drag out to long and torque off the neighbors. Removing the T/R Relay is no big deal so that's not a problem. Great repeater if you align and treat it right... cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:48 PM 12/29/07, you wrote: Hello, I have a VHF MSR 2000, Model C73KSB3146B. I had previously converted it to the 2 meter band, as I needed a 100 watt radio to access a distant repeater. However, I would now like to make it a repeater if at all possible. I have been told by a local Motorola tech that it is possible to do so by adding a Squelch Gate module, and I have seen on this site instructions on how to interface a repeater controller to the Squelch Gate card. Does anyone have any experience in converting a conventional MSR 2000 base station into a repeater? I would also guess that I need to remove the antenna relay, and connect the receiver to the receive side of the duplexer and the transmitter to the transmit side. Of course I would also have to have the channel elements re-crystalled. Is there anything more to it than this? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Eric K8UHN Did you check the web site associated with this mailing list? I suggest you go to www.repeater-builder.com, then to Motorola, then to Mitrek / MSR2000 and scroll down to the three different articles all of which describe exactly what you are looking to do. Mike WA6ILQ ---End Message---
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pager antenna-Amateur Band modification II
The harness is always the hard part. May luck be with you. Chuck - Original Message - From: Peter P J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Pager antenna-Amateur Band modification II In response to my earlier posting on the RB few quarries are there, hence I wish give the following for further thought: The antenna is CELWAVE PD340-TP2 with 4 Separate folded dipoles on a big aluminum pipe mast. The connecting harness is routed through the pipe mast. This particular antenna is with 12Mhz bandwidth and tunned for 162-174 MHZ. All the specs. are available in the website www.rfsworld.com. Scaling the dipole elements as per ARRL Antenna handbook are possible. It is made of 10mm rod and the length of the dipole is 80cm., cutting and adding another 5-6 cm in four lengths of the folded dipole (to make the length to 91cm approx), can be done with best craftsman, to bring it tuned to 145.5Mhz. My present concern is with the harness inside the pipe mast. Will it join happily with my modification? or have to modify the harness also? HOW ??? HELP!! PETER VU2PJP
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
Hi Eric There are 2 of them that we are mainly interested in for 440 ham. The Green Band which is TLE5732A for repeaters that rcv higher than xmt . And the made of unobtainium Yellow band TLE5772A which is for repeaters that rcv lower than xmt. Tnx Glenn N1GBY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:50 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
I got 195.00 plus shipping on Friday for the TLE5772A which may have included a mark up by Wisscom that had it listed, so the price makes buying a new one a non-starter. Hope to find one used somewhere. Tnx Glenn N1GBY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:21 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable In order to jump-start the project I suggested in my previous post, the following listings were found in the Motorola Online database, a few minutes ago. Any physical description of them is appreciated: TLE5721B DUPLEX TEE R/T 3 MHZ -- CANCELLED TLE5731B DUPLEX TEE R/T 5 MHZ -- CANCELLED TLE5732A DUPLEX TEE -- $ 181.90 TLE5771A DPLX TEE FOR XMT ABOVE RCV -- CANCELLED TLE5772A DPLX TEE FOR XMT ABOVE RCV -- $ 172.55 TLE5781B DUPLEX TEE T/R 3 MHZ -- $ 101.15 3082092X01 CABLE DUPLEX TEE -- CANCELLED There may be other tee cables that are not listed on MOL. The above listings are verbatim. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:50 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
By any chance, is some of this info out there on the web, like on the repeater-builder site? Bob M. == --- Glenn Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eric There are 2 of them that we are mainly interested in for 440 ham. The Green Band which is TLE5732A for repeaters that rcv higher than xmt . And the made of unobtainium Yellow band TLE5772A which is for repeaters that rcv lower than xmt. Tnx Glenn N1GBY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:50 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD
[Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR II - Test meter cable
I am looking for a GE test meter cable used for the MASTR II, EXEC II and Custom MVP [W1] -- or at least the connectors (plugs) for the MASTR II radio side [P1 (black), J2(red)]. GE part number: 19D900090P1 or 19D416576G1 Greg w9gb
Re: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
I just read on the AMSAT BB about a certain Linksys wireless access point that had a very strong spur in the 430 band, right next to one of the satellite downlink frequencies I wonder if you might be encountering one with a 224 spur? Take your laptop with WiFi and use NetStumbler to see if there's a strong access point listed in the areas where you pick up the interference. The nearest cable channel appears to be 24 (K) with a video carrier frequency of 223.5 MHz. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: res1q6fs To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz...? As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD
[Repeater-Builder] Re: New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
Yes Roger - I do hear this on 220 from time to time and more so in the dense city environments. If you are going to search for Cable TV leakage listen to 221.750(CATV CH 23 Audio Carrier) or 223.250(CATV CH 24 Video Carrier). These will yield you the best signal levels. Good luck..dan n2aym --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, res1q6fs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
Thanks for the freqs. I put my 220 on PL some time ago just to solve a one time fluke problem we were having and I left it on all the time so as not to worry. Roger W5RD - Original Message - From: fineshot1 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: New QRM on 220 MHz...? Yes Roger - I do hear this on 220 from time to time and more so in the dense city environments. If you are going to search for Cable TV leakage listen to 221.750(CATV CH 23 Audio Carrier) or 223.250(CATV CH 24 Video Carrier). These will yield you the best signal levels. Good luck..dan n2aym --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, res1q6fs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
You know, you may be right as one of the sources, as more of the Wireless stuff seems to be cropping up now, especially with the holidays spawning all new electronic qizmos. I'll get my daughter-in-laws laptop and WiFi stuff and snoop around later. I know the guy next door has his wireless going and my son who lives a few miles away says he always has his pick of unprotected wireless inputs around his house using a coffee can antenna in the living room. Seems like there is always some that are too lazy or not bright enough to protect their computers. Roger W5RD - Original Message - From: George Henry To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz...? I just read on the AMSAT BB about a certain Linksys wireless access point that had a very strong spur in the 430 band, right next to one of the satellite downlink frequencies I wonder if you might be encountering one with a 224 spur? Take your laptop with WiFi and use NetStumbler to see if there's a strong access point listed in the areas where you pick up the interference. The nearest cable channel appears to be 24 (K) with a video carrier frequency of 223.5 MHz. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: res1q6fs To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz...? As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times
(S, so does the ICS Linker IIa with a TS 64 bd :) ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eric, The world would be a better place if repeater controller manufacturers included reverse burst capability... S -- don't tell anybody, but the 7330 supports both standard reverse burst formats... :-) 73, Bob, WA9FBO See AOL's top rated recipes http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304 and easy ways to stay in shape http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop000303 for winter.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Repeater (i hope)
Ralph, Maybe I'm missing something here, but is your station a Micor, or is it an MSR2000? Your subject line and the attachment do not agree. Please advise what backplane you have- there is more than one and they have significant differences. It is always helpful to identify the part numbers (usually stamped in black ink) of each module, so that we all know what you have. Some modules only work with specific backplanes. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Repeater (i hope) Hi All Building a Micor Repeater from Scratch Facts. Mother Board (unified Chassis ) origin unknown. Had to add a jumper for +12Volt to RX. Rx with audio works fine. Not using pl board ( control system does PL) Have great local speaker vol and squelch. Exciter, Tripler, PA and circulator all are in working order Have the following modules in the following slots counting from the right front. Audio Line Driver Slot 1 Station Control in Slot 2 Squelch gate in Slot 7 I can Key the transmit on the station control module The exciter and tripler key up and make power PA power comes up about 2 watts and drops off Power Control module check out in a known good complete Micor repeater. Control Transistor is good and plugged in correctly. Checked voltages Missing (- A Key ) minus A Key on the control module. Station Control Module (-A key ) does NOT come up. Station Control Module works in a known good micor repeater. I can add +12 volt to PA control terminal on the PA and PA makes lots of Power on the correct frequency but that bypasses the Circulator SWR protect etc The intent of the whole mess is to use the minimum of the Motorala modules since the Sierra Radio Control system has provisions for Squelch, PTT, RX and TX pl etc any Ideas?? Ralph, W7HSG
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR-400 Coax use........
At 12/30/2007 11:53, you wrote: Rob, Never use LMR-400 in a repeater system where you transmit through it. It would be OK to use in your receiver to duplexer jumper but not for the transmitter to duplexer jumper. Supposedly, the dissimilar metals of the Actually, it should be OK to use LMR-400 between the TX duplexer, just not inside the duplexer definitely not at the antenna connector or beyond - that's the 170 dB zone, where the difference between the TX carrier RX noise floor is present in the same transmission line. Bob NO6B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
Bob, I did a quick check but did not find any specific information. I think you know where I'm heading on this. What I hope to receive is a message along these lines: Refer to the attached photo of a TLE tee cable. I marked a line with a Sharpie pen on the center of the back of the tee connector, which I shall call point A. I measured exactly 18 and 15/16 inches from A to the face of connector B and exactly 9 and 5/16 inches from A to the face of connector C. The cable is MIL-C-17 RG-416/U. I just made up the dimensions for this fictitious example. If we can possibly nail down the exact, precise definition of these elusive tee cables, we will have performed a useful service for the Amateur Radio community! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob M. Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable By any chance, is some of this info out there on the web, like on the repeater-builder site? Bob M. == --- Glenn Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wolfstar%40bluebottle.com wrote: Hi Eric There are 2 of them that we are mainly interested in for 440 ham. The Green Band which is TLE5732A for repeaters that rcv higher than xmt . And the made of unobtainium Yellow band TLE5772A which is for repeaters that rcv lower than xmt. Tnx Glenn N1GBY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:50 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn
Re: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
At 04:10 PM 12/30/07, you wrote: As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD If you are going to attempt to DF one of these signals, I suggest that you take a handheld (or two) and set it to the fundamental and a harmonic. Example: Here in Los Angeles the T-Hunting frequency is 146.565, and one of the games the hiders play is to camouflage the transmitter so on-foot hunting is an exercise in frustration. However by stetting an handheld to the third harmonic (439.695 MHz) I can walk up to within a few feet of the transmitter. With the radio inside a sealed box, with an attenuator I can get to within inches. Ever try and find a green-colored soda straw (with a 2m whip inside) in a wetlands preserve? At night, with no moon? So my suggestion is to use a 220 handheld to get close, and when it saturates to go to 440 or even higher (using a handheld scanner on 660, 880 or even 1300). I wouldn't be surprised to find it's a piece of computer equipment (like a router, print server, laser printer, etc). I say this because my desktop trashes a few 2m frequencies, and my Verizon-provided Actiontec GT704 router totally trashes GMRS frequencies. Interestingly my HP Laserjet 4 is clean. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times
The Linker IIa has audio phase reversal circuitry for outboard CTCSS encoders? Bob NO6B At 12/30/2007 17:16, you wrote: (S, so does the ICS Linker IIa with a TS 64 bd :) ) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eric, The world would be a better place if repeater controller manufacturers included reverse burst capability... S -- don't tell anybody, but the 7330 supports both standard reverse burst formats... :-) 73, Bob, WA9FBO
Re: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
Thanks for the tips. I have a bunch of time on my hand now that I am retired (Dec. 31 is my last day). Thanks again. Roger W5RD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz...? At 04:10 PM 12/30/07, you wrote: As I mobile around while monitoring the output of my 224.18 MHz repeater as I have done for many years (it has been on the air since the late 70's), I have never heard any kind of strange signals on its output freq. or any 220 output freq. I have a 3 band Kenwood in the car and am used to hearing signals break the squelch on certain 2M and 440 frequencies, but never 220. The past few weeks, I have heard signals (CW, no modulation noticed) of a fairly strong nature break the squelch on 224.18 MHz, much like the signals that break the squelch on certain 440 repeater output freqs, which were eventually traced to cable TV leakage. I am wondering if anyone else has heard signals of this nature on the 220 band? I know of three places within a few miles of my house that emit these signals. I am going to take my talkie out one of these days ands see if I can home in on one of these new signals. Roger W5RD If you are going to attempt to DF one of these signals, I suggest that you take a handheld (or two) and set it to the fundamental and a harmonic. Example: Here in Los Angeles the T-Hunting frequency is 146.565, and one of the games the hiders play is to camouflage the transmitter so on-foot hunting is an exercise in frustration. However by stetting an handheld to the third harmonic (439.695 MHz) I can walk up to within a few feet of the transmitter. With the radio inside a sealed box, with an attenuator I can get to within inches. Ever try and find a green-colored soda straw (with a 2m whip inside) in a wetlands preserve? At night, with no moon? So my suggestion is to use a 220 handheld to get close, and when it saturates to go to 440 or even higher (using a handheld scanner on 660, 880 or even 1300). I wouldn't be surprised to find it's a piece of computer equipment (like a router, print server, laser printer, etc). I say this because my desktop trashes a few 2m frequencies, and my Verizon-provided Actiontec GT704 router totally trashes GMRS frequencies. Interestingly my HP Laserjet 4 is clean. Mike WA6ILQ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS Decoder Response Times
Hi Bob The Linker IIa has a port just for the TS 64. The decode and encode can be turned on or off separately. The TS 64 plug on the Linker IIa also has a provision to add an external filter if desired as the TS 64 filter can be improved upon. The TS 64 plug sends the input receiver audio to the TS 64 for decode and takes the encode signal from the TS 64 and mixes it in with the TX1 transmit audio. The TS 64 encode audio is turned on and off by the Linker IIa and how it does that depends on the user programming. The default encode enabled mode is just to have the TS 64 encode follow RX1 and/or RX2 (again depending on programming). The Linker IIa can also be programmed to keep the TS 64 encode audio enabled for a programmable amount of time after the COS signal(s) go off. This allows the reverse burst from the TS 64 to be sent over the transmitter. Details on the reverse burst from the TS 64 can be found on com spec's website. http://www.com-spec.com/insheet/ts64inst.pdf The connections to the plug can be seen using the following link; http://www.ics-ctrl.com/TS-64_connections.pdf 73 Brian ka9pmm ICS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Linker IIa has audio phase reversal circuitry for outboard CTCSS encoders? Bob NO6B At 12/30/2007 17:16, you wrote: (S, so does the ICS Linker IIa with a TS 64 bd :) ) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scomind%40aol.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scomind%40aol.com wrote: Hi Eric, The world would be a better place if repeater controller manufacturers included reverse burst capability... S -- don't tell anybody, but the 7330 supports both standard reverse burst formats... :-) 73, Bob, WA9FBO
[Repeater-Builder] Cheap P25 repeater ...
No - not the same VOCODER. IMBE is a VOCODER. VSELP is a VOCODER - different from and incompatible with IMBE. Early Motorola digital radios were sold with Motorola's Astro proprietary digital voice format which uses the VSELP VOCODER. After APCO released the P25 standard using the IMBE VOCODER, Motorola offered that as well. Both were available for a period of time. Subseqently, Motorola has discontinued their original format. In Motorola terms: Astro = 9600 BPS C4FM digital voice using the VSELP VOCODER. Astro25 = 9600 BPS C4FM digital voice meeting the P25 standard and using the IMBE VOCODER. Purchasers of used Motorola digital radios [Astro Spectra, Astro Saber, and XTS3000] must be careful that the radio they are buying has the features and VOCODER they want. Newer Motorola digital radios [marketed as Astro25 products] such as the XTS5000 and XTL 5000 were never sold with the old Motorola VSELP Astro format. As to whether Motorola Astro VSELP can be used on the ham bands - it is simply a digital voice format with no intent to obscure content, so it probably would be OK, but why would you want to utilize a dead format? --- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dan Blasberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when isn't VSLEP allowed on the ham bands?? It is IMBE just a different scheme using the same vocoder.
Re: Cheap P25 repeater using mobile rigs (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New f...
VSLEP is proprietary, isn't it? If so, it's not an open standard. Joe M. Dan Blasberg wrote: Since when isn't VSLEP allowed on the ham bands?? It is IMBE just a different scheme using the same vocoder. Dan KA8YPY On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is only a Quick setup. I would prefer a real P25 Digital Repeater , But this Setup Works . You can go to Ebay and Get Motorola Astro Sabers or a XTS-3000 And Others . But you haft to get one that is IMBE P25 . VSLEP Is not Allowd on Ham Bands . IMBE Is Allowd for Ham Use . And it sounds Better than DSTAR AMBE . Steve efj44 See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cheap P25 repeater ...
Thanks for the clarification. As for using VSLEP, if it is all that was available at the time the radios where received, why not use it? We had several donated to use that we subsiquently found out were VSLEP and continue to use them primarily for simplex digital operations. If we need to use a repeater, we go back to a conventional channel. Although most of the folks that are purchasing radios for personal use are being directed to look for IMBE/P25 radios. Dan KA8YPY On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:39 PM, nj902 wrote: No - not the same VOCODER. IMBE is a VOCODER. VSELP is a VOCODER - different from and incompatible with IMBE. Early Motorola digital radios were sold with Motorola's Astro proprietary digital voice format which uses the VSELP VOCODER. After APCO released the P25 standard using the IMBE VOCODER, Motorola offered that as well. Both were available for a period of time. Subseqently, Motorola has discontinued their original format. In Motorola terms: Astro = 9600 BPS C4FM digital voice using the VSELP VOCODER. Astro25 = 9600 BPS C4FM digital voice meeting the P25 standard and using the IMBE VOCODER. Purchasers of used Motorola digital radios [Astro Spectra, Astro Saber, and XTS3000] must be careful that the radio they are buying has the features and VOCODER they want. Newer Motorola digital radios [marketed as Astro25 products] such as the XTS5000 and XTL 5000 were never sold with the old Motorola VSELP Astro format. As to whether Motorola Astro VSELP can be used on the ham bands - it is simply a digital voice format with no intent to obscure content, so it probably would be OK, but why would you want to utilize a dead format? --- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dan Blasberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when isn't VSLEP allowed on the ham bands?? It is IMBE just a different scheme using the same vocoder. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable
And if somebody wants to do a article on them, we'll put it on repeater-builder. I can see someone having a side business building them. Hell, there are folks that can't follow simple directions to build an IRLP cable and pay for them. The T-cable is more daunting - you have to be able to read a tape measure. Mike WA6ILQ At 06:34 PM 12/30/07, you wrote: Bob, I did a quick check but did not find any specific information. I think you know where I'm heading on this. What I hope to receive is a message along these lines: Refer to the attached photo of a TLE tee cable. I marked a line with a Sharpie pen on the center of the back of the tee connector, which I shall call point A. I measured exactly 18 and 15/16 inches from A to the face of connector B and exactly 9 and 5/16 inches from A to the face of connector C. The cable is MIL-C-17 RG-416/U. I just made up the dimensions for this fictitious example. If we can possibly nail down the exact, precise definition of these elusive tee cables, we will have performed a useful service for the Amateur Radio community! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob M. Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable By any chance, is some of this info out there on the web, like on the repeater-builder site? Bob M. == --- Glenn Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:wolfstar%40bluebottle.com wrote: Hi Eric There are 2 of them that we are mainly interested in for 440 ham. The Green Band which is TLE5732A for repeaters that rcv higher than xmt . And the made of unobtainium Yellow band TLE5772A which is for repeaters that rcv lower than xmt. Tnx Glenn N1GBY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:50 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Glenn, I can't help you with a cable, but I would like to offer a suggestion. Since these cables are so expensive, perhaps it would be nice if those who have them in hand were to make exact drawings of them, with precise measurements, so that they could be duplicated. I don't have the MSF5000 UHF service manual- it's NLA- so I don't know how many versions of this tee cable there are. It can't be too hard to fabricate such a cable assembly, given the proper tools and materials. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn Shaw Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 TEE Cable Every so often someone posts a request on the lists looking for a different cable for their MSF5000 440 machine. I know different poeple have asked about the TLE5732A TEE cable or Green cable. The Big M gets around 200 bucks for these little cables which is steep. I have a green band TLE5732A here that I would like to trade for a Yellow band TLE5772A since the machine I am setting up is T above R or upside down. 73 Glenn Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Repeater-Builder group. File: /MSF5000 Green_TEE_Cable.BMP Uploaded by : kc5ozh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : Motorola MSF5000 Green TEE Cable drawing You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/files/MSF5000%20Green_TEE_Cable.BMP To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, kc5ozh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cheap P25 repeater ...
I don't see why not. Hams all over the country are experimenting with a variety of digital voice formats including D-Star, P25, AOR, FDMDV, and Mototrbo TDMA. If some of these are only available from one manufacturer - so what? See: http://www.hamradio-dv.org/ Since this list is not for rules debate - let's just build some digital repeaters and have some fun. --- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dan Blasberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the clarification. As for using VSLEP, if it is all that was available at the time the radios where received, why not use it? ...
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Needed: MSF-5000 Green TEE Cable
Charlie, it looks like we started a good thread. You better take some measurements before some one finds out I sent you a free Green Tee with out taking measurements; I might get tarred and feathered. After I sent that to you free of charge, some guys I know really gave me heck. All I could say was I got it free, why should I charge some one for it? I do not work that way. Hope you got it up and running by now. Happy New Year to all. Rod kc7vqr w7scc Trustee Rod! It has arrived!!! I will take some physical measurements and post to the group. I still have to get the eproms programmed, filters tuned, and figure out a CW ID circuit for my call every TEN minutes during useage. Piece of Cake! Everything else is functioning, hopefully on the air by the first week in January! I will advise when I get this machine online. Thank You Rod, again, for all your support. Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. also send their Thanks. '73 Charlie Kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 823 http://www.CharliesElectronics.com
[Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Repeater-Builder group. File: /JPEG Motorola MSF5000 green TEE Cable.JPG Uploaded by : kc5ozh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : MSF5000 Green_TEE_Cable.JPG from KC7VQR You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/files/JPEG%20Motorola%20MSF5000%20%20green%20TEE%20Cable.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, kc5ozh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Repeater-Builder] New QRM on 220 MHz.......?
For the People who are having Interference Problems on 220 , You might want to Check around the Walgreen Stores that have put up the New Electronic signs. I Have a Repeater on 224.740 and a few of the Stores if I am in the Parking lot or get within a block I have a Full scale reading on the output 224.740 A related story to this Months back a Local FD was using their simplex Freq of 153.890 at a Fire Near a Walgreen's that had the New Sign, and the Fireman could not hear their Dispatcher . An Investigation was done and it was found that the New sign was putting out a carrier on that freq . Walgreen's were notified and the Problem was fixed by some filtering , I Took some Equipment out about 3 in the Morning to 5 Local Walgreen's and the 3 that had the New Sign , I had Spurs all over the Place 130-470 Mhz . I Was also informed by another Ham who had helped with the FD Problem and He gave Me some Walgreen Contact Numbers but I never did pursue It , I don't have any users who live by a Walgreen's but they all have the Problem in their Mobiles as they drive By . I don't know if this is a Widespread problem or not but other users can check it out too and see. Happy and Safe New Year to All Don KA9QJG
[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 Tee Cable
Wow! Already, KC5OZH has uploaded a drawing of an MSF5000 tee cable. Thanks, Charlie! Since I have never seen one of these cables, let alone looked inside an MSF5000 station, I must ask a few questions: 1. What is the Motorola part number of the pictured cable? It is my understanding that there is a green cable for VHF and a green cable for UHF, and the part numbers are not the same. 2. What cable type is used to fabricate the tee harness? I'd think RG-142 or RG-400, but never assume. 3. Which cable end goes to the transmitter, and which to the receiver? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
