Re: [Repeater-Builder] 12v 24 hr timer high current circuit needed..or means of external power cycling

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 06:07 AM 07/15/08, you wrote:
>Hey guys, just trying to figure out a quick and dirty way to 
>automatically cycle power to a repeater one time per day for a short 
>period of time.  Been having problems with the repeater that I 
>maintain.  Basically figuring it's a controller glitch, but 
>occasionally the repeater will lock up on transmit until power to 
>the repeater and controller are cycled.  I am pretty sure it's a 
>glitch in the controller as this has happened on and off for years 
>but for some unknown reason it has occured more as of late.  It's 
>not a huge deal, but it is a pain in the rump to drive to the site 
>every time that it occurs to do a manual reset.  So what I have done 
>over the years is install a 120V timer in line with the power supply 
>and cycle the power once per night for 1 minute at a time and that 
>keeps me from driving 30 miles, through 4 gates, cow patties, and 
>jungle-like conditions each way to get to the site.  At any rate, I 
>basically need a timer that will run on 12V, that can power a relay 
>that can cycle power to the repeater (and controller specifially, 
>but want to do both) as I would like to get this repeater back on 
>it's battery backup without having to drive up there every time that 
>it has a glitch to do a full power cycle when what I am speaking of 
>will atleast solve the problem 1 to 2 times per day depending on how 
>many times I have it recycle daily.  It would not be a big deal to 
>drive up there as I used to do when I was single and had no 
>children, but nowadays when the thing locks up on transmit it's 
>never at a conveinient time now that family life is a big concern 
>and my phone rings off the hook (with hams that never use the 
>repeater, unfortunately) with people calling me to let me know the 
>repeater has hung up again on transmit and sometimes I simply can't 
>get away quickly to fix the problem.  Not that it's needed 
>particularly as the solution could apply to any repeater, but it's a 
>GE Mastr II UHF 100W repeater with a CAT-300DX controller.  If 
>anyone else has had this problem then let me know what you have came 
>up with.  Of course, if anyone has a better idea other than cycling 
>power to it once or twice per day automatically I am open to that 
>idea as well.  I would absolutely love to have a remote radio up 
>there with a dtmf decoder and some type of EXTERNAL controller up 
>there on an extra control frequency that I can use to control an 
>external relay to fill this function.  I have a good spare 2m mobile 
>that would be perfect for the cause.  If anyone can lead me in the 
>right direction please respond back to me (preferably direct).  My 
>email is ae4bkatyahoo.com  Spelled out the @ to help avoid potential 
>spam issues that can result from various reflectorsThanks in 
>advance.Rusty

Personally I'd fix the controller, but a $40
24 hour Paragon time clock would do it.
Any swimming pool supplier would have it,
probably even Home Depot.

Set the time on the time clock, and have the on and
the off trippers side by side at the time you want the
repeater to reset.

Just have the time clock contacts switch +12vDC
through a BIG electrolytic to a relay coil.  Connect a
10K resistor or so across the cap to create a very slow
discharge path.

When the contacts close the cap charges up through
the relay coil and it is closed for as long as it takes to
charge. Pick a coil resistance and a cap size so that
the relay stays shut for couple of seconds when the
timer contacts close.  Wire the controller power through
the normally closed contacts of the relay.

Then once a day the contacts pull in for 5 to 10 minutes
(the minimum time between the on and off trippers) and
the relay pulses.

But I'd still fix the system so you don't need the
reset pulser.

Reliable controllers can be done, a while back there was
a comment thread on the Scom list where several folks
mentioned that their controllers had been running for
YEARS without being restarted (one was over 10 years).

- - - - -

Another idea.
Do you have an extra cellphone on service, or that can be put
on service ?
Some plans around here offer 4 phones with a total number
of airtime minutes that collectively is cheaper than three
phones.

Or can you buy a phone that is strictly a pay-by-the-minute service?
Around here one of the companies has a phone that is 10 cents an
air time minute on originated calls, and free incoming.

Either way, make sure the phone has a vibrator ringer, and open it up.
Trace the motor wires and replace the motor with a relay coil.  Wire
the relay contacts into the controller power path.

You now have an instant remote reset, you can even have it as a
one-button dial on your phone.  Dial, let it ring once, hangup.
No outgoing airtime minutes.

Mike WA6ILQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II UHF Complete PLL Repeater For Sale!

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 08:09 PM 07/15/08, you wrote:
>Hi Group; I wanted to offer this item to the members of this group
>before posting it on E-Bay
>I have the following for sale, local pick-up or your arrangements.
>Please contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if
>interested. Thanks, Bill N8LXM

Where is "local pick up" 

If it's Los Angeles, I know someone who is looking for a
60-100w box that will do 440 RX and 445 TX comfortably.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Switching a Repeater Betwen AC Sources

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 08:44 AM 07/14/08, you wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Richard wrote:
> > Maybe you could install a battery bank with a good quality four stage
> > charger to power the repeaters. When the power drops, since the
> > repeaters are already running on batteries, the switchover would be
> > seamless.
>
>Good idea, but batteries weigh a lot. And they can explode when struck
>by lightning. Also, does the original poster "own" the radio room? If
>not, he probably can't dictate how much more space he takes in the
>place.
>
> > Your IRLP computer could be powered with a 1500 watt or better UPS.
> > This should allow sufficient runtime, plus the higher capacity should
> > get you out of the cheapo consumer grade UPS category. As Eric
>
>A 1500W UPS is overkill for a 100W load.
>
>--
>Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yeah, but they are pretty much free if you know where to look.  A while
back I had to re-battery six of them that were recovered from a dumpster
behind a hospital.  Nothing wrong with them, just needed new batteries.

And some of the older APCs had a 150a powerpole mount in the bottom
for an external battery pack that gave more run-time..

Mike WA6ILQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II UHF Complete PLL Repeater For Sale!

[donald646]

Hello;
 I have forwarded your email to my club that might be interested in your 
repeater.  They may have some questions.  The people are [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leon 
and the other is ken.  I hope this will help you sell your equipment.

Don Goodhart
N6EUR

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-Original Message-
From: "William Sebastian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:09:49 
To: 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II UHF Complete PLL Repeater For Sale!


Hi Group; I wanted to offer this item to the members of this group 
before posting it on E-Bay
I have the following for sale, local pick-up or your arrangements. 
Please contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if 
interested. Thanks, Bill N8LXM

General Electric Mastr II UHF Repeater Station in 48in Cabinet
Metering Panel (Factory)
PLL Exciter (Factory)
Programmable Encode and Decode Boards (Factory)
110 Watt PA with Z-Matcher (Factory)
Receive Pre-amp (Factory)

TX RX 4 Cavity Duplexer (Model 28-65-02A)

RC210 Repeater Controller (with manuals)

General Electric Power Supply 

This machine is on 443.1250 (I-coms will not be sold)
Everything is "VERY CLEAN" and is in "LIKE NEW" condition!
The repeater is using the factory audio card for that "Real GE 
Quality Audio"

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 narrow banding

[radio5000]

 
Hi Jesse, you turn down the transmit deviation, as long as set the PL  
deviation correctly also. As for the receiver, you will need filters that are  
more 
narrow; other wise you will get adjacent channel intererence. See this  
link:_http://www.com-spec.com/narrow.htm_ (http://www.com-spec.com/narrow.htm)  
 
You want the Mitrek kit.
 
Hope that helps.
 
Will
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/15/2008 11:24:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hey guys I was asked if it's possible to narrow band a MSR 2000  (12.5
KHz ch spacing, 2.5 KHz max deviatation)KHz ch spacing, 2.5 KHz max dev
turn the IDC down and setup the audio, is it not that simple?  I
suppose you wont have the option of companding the audio, but if  that
was done at the originating station, it should pass through  the
repeater without a  problem.

Thoughts?

Jesse







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[Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 narrow banding

[Jesse Lloyd]

Hey guys I was asked if it's possible to narrow band a MSR 2000 (12.5
KHz ch spacing, 2.5 KHz max deviatation).  I don't see why not, just
turn the IDC down and setup the audio, is it not that simple?  I
suppose you wont have the option of companding the audio, but if that
was done at the originating station, it should pass through the
repeater without a problem.

Thoughts?

Jesse

[Repeater-Builder] tkr-820

[k6jxy]

I need someone in the Oklahoma area that can bring the unit down, tunr
e in frequency and assist with interfacint my Allstar repeater stuff. 
I need to use the pins on the accessory jack
if you know of how to bring the repeater down on frequency,  please
E-mail me direct
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your assistance is appreciated.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: do you believe this

[jeffcarlyle]

OK here is my 2 cents. Check out this website:
http://www.snopes.com/science/cookegg.asp
There is all kinds of info that debunks this myth.

Jeff


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Johnny,
> 
> This is true.  We all have the idea in us that if it is in print it
is true, more than if someone speaks the same.
> 
> Just something about it being in print especially in a newspaper or
magazine.  But when you think of it all this is written by someone
that puts their pants on the same as us so what makes them so special.
 Of course we need to believe some, but investigate it.
> 
> The other problem one will write something then other writers pick
it up and they write the same in their words and before you know it it
is true.  Guess the Russian thought of if you tell a lie enough times
it will become the truth.
> 
> I still like the PO Office 3 cent charge for e-mails.  Have not seen
this for a while.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2008/07/14 Mon AM 10:42:57 EDT
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: do you believe this
> 
> >
> >  You would be suprised how  many idiots see something like this and 
> >consider it gospal fact.
> >Johnny
> >
> >Tom wrote:
> >> There was a recent article where the businessman that
commissioned the
> >> ad acknowledged that it was phony.  Seems he worked for a headset
> >> manufacturer that was trying to suggest the safety hazard of
holding a
> >> cell phone next to one's head, thereby promoting headset sales.  It
> >> didn't take this admission to realize that the ad was phony.  The
laws
> >> of physics clearly show that a few hundred milliwatts (or even a few
> >> watts) from a cellphone, or even a dozen cellphones, for that matter,
> >> cannot produce enough heat to vaporize the water in a kernel of
> >> popcorn.  Add to that the fact that, when several phones are used,
> >> who's to say that the signals are all in phase, therefore additive. 
> >> They could just as easily be 180 degrees out of phase and therefore,
> >> essentially cancel each other out.  Just takes a few seconds thought
> >> to write that kind of rubbish off.  I take this kind of
advertising as
> >> an insult to my intelligence.
> >> Tom
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"  wrote:
> >>> Nope.
> >>>  
> >>> Richard
> >>>   www.n7tgb.net
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>   _  
> >>>
> >>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:10 PM
> >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] do you believe this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> hi all,
> >>>
> >>> This kinda repeater related, but do you believe this:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.koreus.
> >>> 
> >>> com/video/telephone-portable-mais-popcorn.html
> >>>
> >>> Popping pop corn with a cel phone video.
> >>>
> >>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >>>
> >>> Ron Wright, N9EE
> >>> 727-376-6575
> >>> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> >>> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> >>> No tone, all are welcome.
> >>>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Ron Wright, N9EE
> 727-376-6575
> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> No tone, all are welcome.
>

[Repeater-Builder] 12v 24 hr timer high current circuit needed..or means of external power cycling

[Rusty Boling]

Hey guys, just trying to figure out a quick and dirty way to automatically 
cycle power to a repeater one time per day for a short period of time.  Been 
having problems with the repeater that I maintain.  Basically figuring it's a 
controller glitch, but occasionally the repeater will lock up on transmit until 
power to the repeater and controller are cycled.  I am pretty sure it's a 
glitch in the controller as this has happened on and off for years but for some 
unknown reason it has occured more as of late.  It's not a huge deal, but it is 
a pain in the rump to drive to the site every time that it occurs to do a 
manual reset.  So what I have done over the years is install a 120V timer in 
line with the power supply and cycle the power once per night for 1 minute at a 
time and that keeps me from driving 30 miles, through 4 gates, cow patties, and 
jungle-like conditions each way to get to the site.  At any rate, I basically 
need a timer that will run
 on 12V, that can power a relay that can cycle power to the repeater (and 
controller specifially, but want to do both) as I would like to get this 
repeater back on it's battery backup without having to drive up there every 
time that it has a glitch to do a full power cycle when what I am speaking of 
will atleast solve the problem 1 to 2 times per day depending on how many times 
I have it recycle daily.  It would not be a big deal to drive up there as I 
used to do when I was single and had no children, but nowadays when the thing 
locks up on transmit it's never at a conveinient time now that family life is a 
big concern and my phone rings off the hook (with hams that never use the 
repeater, unfortunately) with people calling me to let me know the repeater has 
hung up again on transmit and sometimes I simply can't get away quickly to fix 
the problem.  Not that it's needed particularly as the solution could apply to 
any repeater, but it's a GE Mastr II
 UHF 100W repeater with a CAT-300DX controller.  If anyone else has had this 
problem then let me know what you have came up with.  Of course, if anyone has 
a better idea other than cycling power to it once or twice per day 
automatically I am open to that idea as well.  I would absolutely love to have 
a remote radio up there with a dtmf decoder and some type of EXTERNAL 
controller up there on an extra control frequency that I can use to control an 
external relay to fill this function.  I have a good spare 2m mobile that would 
be perfect for the cause.  If anyone can lead me in the right direction please 
respond back to me (preferably direct).  My email is ae4bkatyahoo.com  Spelled 
out the @ to help avoid potential spam issues that can result from various 
reflectorsThanks in advance.Rusty



  

[Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II UHF Complete PLL Repeater For Sale!

[William Sebastian]

Hi Group; I wanted to offer this item to the members of this group 
before posting it on E-Bay
I have the following for sale, local pick-up or your arrangements. 
Please contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if 
interested. Thanks, Bill N8LXM

General Electric Mastr II UHF Repeater Station in 48in Cabinet
Metering Panel (Factory)
PLL Exciter (Factory)
Programmable Encode and Decode Boards (Factory)
110 Watt PA with Z-Matcher (Factory)
Receive Pre-amp (Factory)

TX RX 4 Cavity Duplexer (Model 28-65-02A)

RC210 Repeater Controller (with manuals)

General Electric Power Supply 

This machine is on 443.1250 (I-coms will not be sold)
Everything is "VERY CLEAN" and is in "LIKE NEW" condition!
The repeater is using the factory audio card for that "Real GE 
Quality Audio"

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ISO Slow Computer for R100 repeater programming

[maire-radios]

I have a PC that I run Vertral PC and dos 3.1 is in it  works fine that way to 
program
John


From: Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/07/13 Sun PM 07:08:10 CDT
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ISO Slow Computer for R100 repeater programming


John,

It is hard to give away old computers these days, even some that are 3-4 years 
old.  I have about 5 nice CRT type monitors I've offered for coming to get them 
and no one even responds.

I bought a 486 IBM lap top at a Hamfest for $10 that actually worked and had 
external floppy with it, but some at the same Hamfest went for $100 and a 
friend of mine bought one of these that did not work.  I bought mine just the 
same purpose you need.

For your RSS programming I would recommend a 486.  It should be slow enough for 
this.  I also use a desktop 486 for programming Mot HTs.

With the club I would get the repeater working and charge them double and maybe 
something for your time.  It is with so many wanting others to do the work, 
they get the benfits and still complain, but still will not lift a finger.  If 
they will not pay take the repeater and sell on e-bay, hi.

73, ron, n9ee/r

>From: John Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/07/13 Sun PM 07:29:39 EDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] ISO Slow Computer for R100 repeater programming

>
>Where does one fine a CHEAP but reliable old computer for this
>purpose. I understand that if the clock speed is too fast it can turn
>the machine into an expensive doorstop. I am not seeking the RSS
>software, just a slow computer with DOS on it to run the software
>with, I am located in Southeastern Indiana does anyone know where one
>can be found? A laptop would be the best and I assume one could be
>mailed, or a desktop in the Cincinnati or southern Indiana area could
>be picked up.
>We do not have a lot of money as we have been rebuilding our repeater
>system and the membership of the club isnt too enthusiastic about
>contributing till the repeater is fixed ( Catch 22 )
>
>Thanks in advance for you assistance.
>
>   
> 

Ron Wright, N9EE
727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.

[Repeater-Builder] slomo is actually moslo program - uploaded to the group files section.

[skipp025]

slomo is actually moslo program  
uploaded to the group files section. 

I've got to lay off the Absolute (Vodka) so early in the day... 
the mentioned slomo program is actually "moslo". I've placed a 
copy of the program package into the group files section in the 
same named folder. 

It's freeware

If you can use it... enjoy.

cheers, 
s

> "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use a not so old laptop with a serial and usb port. Before 
> running any radio programming software I simply slow down the 
> processor speed visible to the program/software using a free 
> package called slomo (aka slo-mo). 
> I then get on with the task of programming the radio/device 
> without spazzing over the computer processor speed. 
> cheers,
> skipp

[Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder

[Repeater-Builder]

Hello,

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