[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[n3dab]

Extend the radials not less than 1/4 wave from the mast stub to the tip.  And 
bend them down at about a 30 degree angle.  Lone
ger radials probably wouldn't hurt (in 1/4 wave increments) but provides more 
wind load and aesthectic challenges.  $ equally space might be slightly better 
than3 but i doubt you would notice the difference.

Doug   N3DAB  


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure HD has aluminum strips that will work just fine.  Should I 
> make the radials 1/4 wave , or longer?
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> >
> > Forgot to mention if you can't find alum. for the ground plane elements at 
> > the local surpus yard or hardware store (HD or Lowes) see if you can find 
> > the city or county sign shop (the people who maintain the stop, yield and 
> > directional signs) as the may have pulls  or damaged signs you can talk 
> > them out of.  These are fairly heavy gage but usually soft alum. alloy and 
> > can be easily cut into strips with a carbide tipped blade on a small table 
> > saw with out any damage to the saw.  Just make sure you put the alum. side 
> > against the metal mast stub as the sign side is a decal and you may not get 
> > the bonding you want for the radials.  
> > 
> > Doug  N3DAB
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good point, much easier to use a couple of clamps, and I just happen to 
> > > have some stainless steel clamps here in the garage!  Thanks for the 
> > > advice.
> > > 
> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do your self a big favor and don't drill any holes.  Use 1 or 2 large 
> > > > stainless steel hose clamps, slip 3 or 4 aluminum radials up between 
> > > > the clamp and metal antenna base (similar to what you see in the 
> > > > picture for the TDD-6082).  That is the way the Motorola and Station 
> > > > Master base station radials are atached.  Extend the aluminum radial 
> > > > metal about 1" above the top clamp, tighten the clamps and then fold 
> > > > the 1" projection over to cover the SS clamp band.  That way if the 
> > > > clamp loosens up a bit the radials wont fall off.
> > > > 
> > > > Doug   N3DAB  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that sounds like the antenna I have exactly, must be it.  Looks 
> > > > > like the general concensuss is to keep this one in service and not 
> > > > > even bother trying the Diamond antenna.  I don't have the radials 
> > > > > though, but with this antenna I could even drill some holes in the 
> > > > > collar that screws over the N connector and install radials that way. 
> > > > >  I bet that will help with the radiation pattern a bit.  Thanks for 
> > > > > all the assitance, as always, this is an awesome group.  73;s
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You described mine like you were looking at it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > - Original Message - 
> > > > > > From: "wb6dgn" 
> > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > > > > antenna 
> > > > > > made by Motorola
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi Gerald and the group,
> > > > > > > I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> > > > > > > It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and 
> > > > > > > about an inch 
> > > > > > > in diameter at the base,
> > > > > > > coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 
> > > > > > > 1-5/16 inch 
> > > > > > > diameter.
> > > > > > > A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" 
> > > > > > > female 
> > > > > > > connector.
> > > > > > > The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over 
> > > > > > > it. 
> > > > > > > There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no 
> > > > > > > longer 
> > > > > > > readable now.
> > > > > > > There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the 
> > > > > > > numbers 
> > > > > > > are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> > > > > > > It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> > > > > > > I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> > > > > > > if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the 
> > > > > > > channels were 
> > > > > > > in the 453/458 range
> > > > > > > with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine 
> > > > > > > on the 
> > > > > > > ham band.
> > > > > > > The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> > > > > > > scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> > > > > > > Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know 
> > > > > > > where to 
> > > > > > > look,
> > > > > > > I'

[Repeater-Builder] VXR 7000 Receiver Fine Tuning.

[bestfriend2call]

I don't have much experience with repeaters and tuning of the same but I would 
like to know how to tune mine to a fine reception, I do know a bit (not an 
expert)  in how to work around the program CE27 but I don't have a clue in how 
to get a fine tune to the receiver, If anybody could help me with this, I will 
really appreciate it.

Thanks Eli.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[W6IZT]

Larry:
 
I use an NHRC MVP controller on my 440 repeater. It has been in service for 
years without any problems
 
73
Gregg
 
Ps Renee say hi
 
-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of 
larryjspamme...@teleport.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:36 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?
 
Bob, I've been considering getting one of the NHRC controllers for a GE MVP. 
Are they dependable, or like your email mentions, having some occasional 
failures?


-Original Message- 
From: n...@no6b.com 
Sent: Mar 26, 2009 10:59 PM 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller? 



At 3/26/2009 20:21, you wrote:

>< http://www2.plus10.com/rc-99.html  > 
>http://www2.plus10.com/rc-99.html  

No, but I do believe it will fit in the multi-freq area of an MVP. Will 
have to give one a try if the NHRC-micro gives out again. Thanks for the info.

"Plus 10" has an interesting business profile: wood sheds, horse barns & 
repeater controllers.

Bob NO6B

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[gebhardstephen]

I am pretty sure HD has aluminum strips that will work just fine.  Should I 
make the radials 1/4 wave , or longer?

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>
> Forgot to mention if you can't find alum. for the ground plane elements at 
> the local surpus yard or hardware store (HD or Lowes) see if you can find the 
> city or county sign shop (the people who maintain the stop, yield and 
> directional signs) as the may have pulls  or damaged signs you can talk them 
> out of.  These are fairly heavy gage but usually soft alum. alloy and can be 
> easily cut into strips with a carbide tipped blade on a small table saw with 
> out any damage to the saw.  Just make sure you put the alum. side against the 
> metal mast stub as the sign side is a decal and you may not get the bonding 
> you want for the radials.  
> 
> Doug  N3DAB
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Good point, much easier to use a couple of clamps, and I just happen to 
> > have some stainless steel clamps here in the garage!  Thanks for the advice.
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Do your self a big favor and don't drill any holes.  Use 1 or 2 large 
> > > stainless steel hose clamps, slip 3 or 4 aluminum radials up between the 
> > > clamp and metal antenna base (similar to what you see in the picture for 
> > > the TDD-6082).  That is the way the Motorola and Station Master base 
> > > station radials are atached.  Extend the aluminum radial metal about 1" 
> > > above the top clamp, tighten the clamps and then fold the 1" projection 
> > > over to cover the SS clamp band.  That way if the clamp loosens up a bit 
> > > the radials wont fall off.
> > > 
> > > Doug   N3DAB  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, that sounds like the antenna I have exactly, must be it.  Looks 
> > > > like the general concensuss is to keep this one in service and not even 
> > > > bother trying the Diamond antenna.  I don't have the radials though, 
> > > > but with this antenna I could even drill some holes in the collar that 
> > > > screws over the N connector and install radials that way.  I bet that 
> > > > will help with the radiation pattern a bit.  Thanks for all the 
> > > > assitance, as always, this is an awesome group.  73;s
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You described mine like you were looking at it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > - Original Message - 
> > > > > From: "wb6dgn" 
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > > > antenna 
> > > > > made by Motorola
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Gerald and the group,
> > > > > > I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> > > > > > It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about 
> > > > > > an inch 
> > > > > > in diameter at the base,
> > > > > > coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 
> > > > > > inch 
> > > > > > diameter.
> > > > > > A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" 
> > > > > > female 
> > > > > > connector.
> > > > > > The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over 
> > > > > > it. 
> > > > > > There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no 
> > > > > > longer 
> > > > > > readable now.
> > > > > > There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the 
> > > > > > numbers 
> > > > > > are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> > > > > > It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> > > > > > I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> > > > > > if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the 
> > > > > > channels were 
> > > > > > in the 453/458 range
> > > > > > with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine 
> > > > > > on the 
> > > > > > ham band.
> > > > > > The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> > > > > > scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> > > > > > Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know 
> > > > > > where to 
> > > > > > look,
> > > > > > I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can 
> > > > > > find 
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco 
> > > > > > catalog 
> > > > > > that suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
> > > > > > Tom DGN
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. 
> > > > > >> Small 
> > > > > >> bolt
> > > > > >> fasten them together around the base.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Gerald Pelnar

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[n3dab]

Forgot to mention if you can't find alum. for the ground plane elements at the 
local surpus yard or hardware store (HD or Lowes) see if you can find the city 
or county sign shop (the people who maintain the stop, yield and directional 
signs) as the may have pulls  or damaged signs you can talk them out of.  These 
are fairly heavy gage but usually soft alum. alloy and can be easily cut into 
strips with a carbide tipped blade on a small table saw with out any damage to 
the saw.  Just make sure you put the alum. side against the metal mast stub as 
the sign side is a decal and you may not get the bonding you want for the 
radials.  

Doug  N3DAB


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
wrote:
>
> Good point, much easier to use a couple of clamps, and I just happen to have 
> some stainless steel clamps here in the garage!  Thanks for the advice.
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> >
> > Do your self a big favor and don't drill any holes.  Use 1 or 2 large 
> > stainless steel hose clamps, slip 3 or 4 aluminum radials up between the 
> > clamp and metal antenna base (similar to what you see in the picture for 
> > the TDD-6082).  That is the way the Motorola and Station Master base 
> > station radials are atached.  Extend the aluminum radial metal about 1" 
> > above the top clamp, tighten the clamps and then fold the 1" projection 
> > over to cover the SS clamp band.  That way if the clamp loosens up a bit 
> > the radials wont fall off.
> > 
> > Doug   N3DAB  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, that sounds like the antenna I have exactly, must be it.  Looks like 
> > > the general concensuss is to keep this one in service and not even bother 
> > > trying the Diamond antenna.  I don't have the radials though, but with 
> > > this antenna I could even drill some holes in the collar that screws over 
> > > the N connector and install radials that way.  I bet that will help with 
> > > the radiation pattern a bit.  Thanks for all the assitance, as always, 
> > > this is an awesome group.  73;s
> > > 
> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You described mine like you were looking at it.
> > > > 
> > > > - Original Message - 
> > > > From: "wb6dgn" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
> > > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > > antenna 
> > > > made by Motorola
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi Gerald and the group,
> > > > > I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> > > > > It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about an 
> > > > > inch 
> > > > > in diameter at the base,
> > > > > coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 
> > > > > inch 
> > > > > diameter.
> > > > > A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" female 
> > > > > connector.
> > > > > The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over it. 
> > > > > There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no longer 
> > > > > readable now.
> > > > > There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the 
> > > > > numbers 
> > > > > are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> > > > > It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> > > > > I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> > > > > if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the channels 
> > > > > were 
> > > > > in the 453/458 range
> > > > > with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine on 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > ham band.
> > > > > The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> > > > > scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> > > > > Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know where 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > look,
> > > > > I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can 
> > > > > find 
> > > > > it.
> > > > > Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco 
> > > > > catalog 
> > > > > that suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
> > > > > Tom DGN
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. 
> > > > >> Small 
> > > > >> bolt
> > > > >> fasten them together around the base.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > > > >> McPherson, Ks
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - Original Message - 
> > > > >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> > > > >> To: 
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
> > > > >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > > >> antenna
> > > > >> made by Motorola
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have 
> > > > >> > does
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[gebhardstephen]

Good point, much easier to use a couple of clamps, and I just happen to have 
some stainless steel clamps here in the garage!  Thanks for the advice.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>
> Do your self a big favor and don't drill any holes.  Use 1 or 2 large 
> stainless steel hose clamps, slip 3 or 4 aluminum radials up between the 
> clamp and metal antenna base (similar to what you see in the picture for the 
> TDD-6082).  That is the way the Motorola and Station Master base station 
> radials are atached.  Extend the aluminum radial metal about 1" above the top 
> clamp, tighten the clamps and then fold the 1" projection over to cover the 
> SS clamp band.  That way if the clamp loosens up a bit the radials wont fall 
> off.
> 
> Doug   N3DAB  
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that sounds like the antenna I have exactly, must be it.  Looks like 
> > the general concensuss is to keep this one in service and not even bother 
> > trying the Diamond antenna.  I don't have the radials though, but with this 
> > antenna I could even drill some holes in the collar that screws over the N 
> > connector and install radials that way.  I bet that will help with the 
> > radiation pattern a bit.  Thanks for all the assitance, as always, this is 
> > an awesome group.  73;s
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You described mine like you were looking at it.
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "wb6dgn" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
> > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > antenna 
> > > made by Motorola
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Gerald and the group,
> > > > I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> > > > It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about an 
> > > > inch 
> > > > in diameter at the base,
> > > > coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 inch 
> > > > diameter.
> > > > A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" female 
> > > > connector.
> > > > The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over it. 
> > > > There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no longer 
> > > > readable now.
> > > > There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the 
> > > > numbers 
> > > > are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> > > > It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> > > > I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> > > > if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the channels 
> > > > were 
> > > > in the 453/458 range
> > > > with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine on 
> > > > the 
> > > > ham band.
> > > > The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> > > > scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> > > > Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know where to 
> > > > look,
> > > > I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can 
> > > > find 
> > > > it.
> > > > Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco 
> > > > catalog 
> > > > that suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
> > > > Tom DGN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. 
> > > >> Small 
> > > >> bolt
> > > >> fasten them together around the base.
> > > >>
> > > >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > > >> McPherson, Ks
> > > >>
> > > >> - Original Message - 
> > > >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> > > >> To: 
> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
> > > >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > >> antenna
> > > >> made by Motorola
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have 
> > > >> > does
> > > >> > not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them 
> > > >> > either.
> > > >> > I was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond
> > > >> > F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using 
> > > >> > now, 
> > > >> > plus
> > > >> > it is designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small 
> > > >> > investment
> > > >> > would yield better coverage.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar" 
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long 
> > > >> >> (I
> > > >> >> didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I 
> > > >> >> used 
> > > >> >> it
> > > >> >> temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR
> > > >> >> wasn't
> > > >> >> bad and worked just fine.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > > >> >> McPherson, K

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[n3dab]

Do your self a big favor and don't drill any holes.  Use 1 or 2 large stainless 
steel hose clamps, slip 3 or 4 aluminum radials up between the clamp and metal 
antenna base (similar to what you see in the picture for the TDD-6082).  That 
is the way the Motorola and Station Master base station radials are atached.  
Extend the aluminum radial metal about 1" above the top clamp, tighten the 
clamps and then fold the 1" projection over to cover the SS clamp band.  That 
way if the clamp loosens up a bit the radials wont fall off.

Doug   N3DAB  


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
wrote:
>
> Yes, that sounds like the antenna I have exactly, must be it.  Looks like the 
> general concensuss is to keep this one in service and not even bother trying 
> the Diamond antenna.  I don't have the radials though, but with this antenna 
> I could even drill some holes in the collar that screws over the N connector 
> and install radials that way.  I bet that will help with the radiation 
> pattern a bit.  Thanks for all the assitance, as always, this is an awesome 
> group.  73;s
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
> >
> > You described mine like you were looking at it.
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "wb6dgn" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna 
> > made by Motorola
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Gerald and the group,
> > > I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> > > It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about an 
> > > inch 
> > > in diameter at the base,
> > > coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 inch 
> > > diameter.
> > > A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" female 
> > > connector.
> > > The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over it. 
> > > There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no longer 
> > > readable now.
> > > There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the numbers 
> > > are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> > > It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> > > I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> > > if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the channels 
> > > were 
> > > in the 453/458 range
> > > with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine on the 
> > > ham band.
> > > The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> > > scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> > > Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know where to 
> > > look,
> > > I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can find 
> > > it.
> > > Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco catalog 
> > > that suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
> > > Tom DGN
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. Small 
> > >> bolt
> > >> fasten them together around the base.
> > >>
> > >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > >> McPherson, Ks
> > >>
> > >> - Original Message - 
> > >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> > >> To: 
> > >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
> > >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > >> antenna
> > >> made by Motorola
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does
> > >> > not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them 
> > >> > either.
> > >> > I was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond
> > >> > F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, 
> > >> > plus
> > >> > it is designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small 
> > >> > investment
> > >> > would yield better coverage.
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar" 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I
> > >> >> didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used 
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR
> > >> >> wasn't
> > >> >> bad and worked just fine.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > >> >> McPherson, Ks
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - Original Message - 
> > >> >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> > >> >> To: 
> > >> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
> > >> >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater
> > >> >> antenna
> > >> >> made by Motorola
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured 
> > >> >> > has
> > >> >> > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this 
> > >> >> > is
> > >> >> > as
> > >> >> > far as I can 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[gebhardstephen]

Yes, that sounds like the antenna I have exactly, must be it.  Looks like the 
general concensuss is to keep this one in service and not even bother trying 
the Diamond antenna.  I don't have the radials though, but with this antenna I 
could even drill some holes in the collar that screws over the N connector and 
install radials that way.  I bet that will help with the radiation pattern a 
bit.  Thanks for all the assitance, as always, this is an awesome group.  73;s

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
>
> You described mine like you were looking at it.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wb6dgn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna 
> made by Motorola
> 
> 
> > Hi Gerald and the group,
> > I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> > It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about an inch 
> > in diameter at the base,
> > coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 inch 
> > diameter.
> > A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" female 
> > connector.
> > The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over it. 
> > There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no longer 
> > readable now.
> > There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the numbers 
> > are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> > It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> > I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> > if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the channels were 
> > in the 453/458 range
> > with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine on the 
> > ham band.
> > The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> > scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> > Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know where to 
> > look,
> > I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can find 
> > it.
> > Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco catalog 
> > that suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
> > Tom DGN
> >
> >
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. Small 
> >> bolt
> >> fasten them together around the base.
> >>
> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> >> McPherson, Ks
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
> >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> >> antenna
> >> made by Motorola
> >>
> >>
> >> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does
> >> > not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them 
> >> > either.
> >> > I was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond
> >> > F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, 
> >> > plus
> >> > it is designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small 
> >> > investment
> >> > would yield better coverage.
> >> >
> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar" 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I
> >> >> didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used 
> >> >> it
> >> >> temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR
> >> >> wasn't
> >> >> bad and worked just fine.
> >> >>
> >> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> >> >> McPherson, Ks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message - 
> >> >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> >> >> To: 
> >> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater
> >> >> antenna
> >> >> made by Motorola
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured 
> >> >> > has
> >> >> > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this 
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > far as I can go.  What I am trying to do is see if this is the right
> >> >> > antenna for a ham repeater on 447.425/442.425 split.  As I said 
> >> >> > before,
> >> >> > the SWR is OK, but I wonder if it is just operating on a multiple, 
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > am not getting the full gain that I should.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Could be.  Motorola spec say OA length for the TDE-6082A is *'. 
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> Hi-Gain specs for the TDD-6082A on the RB site don't give the OA
> >> >> >> lengths
> >> >> >> for the different gain antennas, except to say max. length is about
> >> >> >> 22'.
> >> >> >> Unless there is some indication of the Mfg. on the remaining 
> >> >> >> portion
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the label or you can find more specs. for the Hi-Gain antenn

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quantar VHF Range1 Help .... while we're on the subject

[nj902]

First, to clarify, the Quantar has no built-in A-to-D capability [IMBE 
VOCODER], hence it isn't possible to directly interface an analog device to a 
Quantar and pass traffic to digital users.

This requires an additional device known as a DIU [Digital Interface Unit]  
This device was availabe in a desktop version [DIU] or in a metal housing 
[DIU3000] intended to mount in a rack enclosure.  The inner workings of the DIU 
and DIU3000 are virtually identical. 

Once you have a DIU, the rest is easy.  The DIU can interface to a repeater 
controller through either its MRTI [phone patch] port or its console port. The 
DIU can be programmed to transmit from either of those ports any way you wish - 
analog only, digital only, or follow the last mode used. 

The DIU is also equipped with I/O for status and control so that your external 
controller can be aware of the mode in use and/or the external controller can 
select what mode to use.

Thus you have total flexibility and can make your system work pretty much any 
way you want it to - limited only by your imagination.  You could have one PL 
on the link switch the Quantar to digital and another switch the station to 
analog.  You could even decode the P25 user ID and set the link or other system 
conditions based on who the user is.

BTW, that phone patch port is very helpful, since the DIU will decode P25 
dialing from the radio user and generate DTMF locally.  This would normally be 
used for telephone dialing but can be a great way to send control commands to 
your repeater controller. 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, James Delancy  wrote:

"While we are on the subject of Quantars   Anybody do any linking of  
P25/mixed mode operations back into an analog linked system?  If so, how did 
you control whether it would be analog or digital transmissions from the 
Quantar (or other P25 capable box) when in received a transmission from the 
linked network?"

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[no6b]

At 3/27/2009 08:35, you wrote:
>Bob I have been able to fit the ICS Basic controller in the front in place 
>of the tone bd. similar to the NHRC retro.

Not an option for me, as I use the GE tone boards.  IMO nothing beats their 
decode performance.

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

[Chuck Kelsey]

Might also, just for fun, see where the 1.5:1 points end up so you can see the 
useful bandwidth of the array.

Chuck
WB2EDV



  - Original Message - 
  From: k5in 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???


  Thanks Chuck,


  I agree but I don't have access to a camera right now.


  I was hoping in the mean time to get an answer or two and if not that is ok 
too.  Maybe I can borrow a camera by the end of the weekend.


  73 and tnx, Brian  
- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Kelsey 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???



Pictures would help.

Chuck
WB2EDV



  - Original Message - 
  From: k5in 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:38 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???


  Hi,


  Ok, I thought I have a db413 but I cannot count:

  Antenna is on a 12ft mast, 6 dipoles mounted vertically one above the 
other.

  No labels, 1.1 to 1 VSWR at 445.00mhz.

  Antenna is factory made with a top on it that looks like a DB Products.


  Any help will be appreciated.  


  Brian, 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[Gerald Pelnar]

You described mine like you were looking at it.

- Original Message - 
From: "wb6dgn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna 
made by Motorola


> Hi Gerald and the group,
> I think I've got one of these antennas too.
> It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about an inch 
> in diameter at the base,
> coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 inch 
> diameter.
> A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" female 
> connector.
> The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over it. 
> There was probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no longer 
> readable now.
> There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the numbers 
> are no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.
> It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.
> I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but,
> if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the channels were 
> in the 453/458 range
> with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine on the 
> ham band.
> The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to 
> scrounge; if anyone has spares, let me know.
> Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know where to 
> look,
> I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can find 
> it.
> Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco catalog 
> that suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
> Tom DGN
>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> wrote:
>>
>> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. Small 
>> bolt
>> fasten them together around the base.
>>
>> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
>> McPherson, Ks
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "gebhardstephen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
>> antenna
>> made by Motorola
>>
>>
>> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does
>> > not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them 
>> > either.
>> > I was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond
>> > F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, 
>> > plus
>> > it is designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small 
>> > investment
>> > would yield better coverage.
>> >
>> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar" 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I
>> >> didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used 
>> >> it
>> >> temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR
>> >> wasn't
>> >> bad and worked just fine.
>> >>
>> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
>> >> McPherson, Ks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message - 
>> >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
>> >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater
>> >> antenna
>> >> made by Motorola
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured 
>> >> > has
>> >> > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this 
>> >> > is
>> >> > as
>> >> > far as I can go.  What I am trying to do is see if this is the right
>> >> > antenna for a ham repeater on 447.425/442.425 split.  As I said 
>> >> > before,
>> >> > the SWR is OK, but I wonder if it is just operating on a multiple, 
>> >> > and
>> >> > I
>> >> > am not getting the full gain that I should.
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Could be.  Motorola spec say OA length for the TDE-6082A is *'. 
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> Hi-Gain specs for the TDD-6082A on the RB site don't give the OA
>> >> >> lengths
>> >> >> for the different gain antennas, except to say max. length is about
>> >> >> 22'.
>> >> >> Unless there is some indication of the Mfg. on the remaining 
>> >> >> portion
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the label or you can find more specs. for the Hi-Gain antenns it's
>> >> >> just a
>> >> >> guess at this point.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Doug   N3DAB
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hudson"  
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It could be a TDD-6082
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > See here:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/mot-vhf-hi-gain-ant-specs.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Bill - W6CBS
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >   _
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n3dab
>> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:52 PM
>> >> >> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF 
>> >> >> > rep

Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

[Chuck Kelsey]

When you do, some details of the harness would help.


Chuck
WB2EDV



  - Original Message - 
  From: k5in 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???


  Thanks Chuck,


  I agree but I don't have access to a camera right now.


  I was hoping in the mean time to get an answer or two and if not that is ok 
too.  Maybe I can borrow a camera by the end of the weekend.


  73 and tnx, Brian  
- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Kelsey 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???



Pictures would help.

Chuck
WB2EDV



  - Original Message - 
  From: k5in 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:38 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???


  Hi,


  Ok, I thought I have a db413 but I cannot count:

  Antenna is on a 12ft mast, 6 dipoles mounted vertically one above the 
other.

  No labels, 1.1 to 1 VSWR at 445.00mhz.

  Antenna is factory made with a top on it that looks like a DB Products.


  Any help will be appreciated.  


  Brian, 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

[k5in]

Thanks Chuck,


I agree but I don't have access to a camera right now.


I was hoping in the mean time to get an answer or two and if not that is ok 
too.  Maybe I can borrow a camera by the end of the weekend.


73 and tnx, Brian  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Kelsey 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???



  Pictures would help.

  Chuck
  WB2EDV



- Original Message - 
From: k5in 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:38 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???


Hi,


Ok, I thought I have a db413 but I cannot count:

Antenna is on a 12ft mast, 6 dipoles mounted vertically one above the other.

No labels, 1.1 to 1 VSWR at 445.00mhz.

Antenna is factory made with a top on it that looks like a DB Products.


Any help will be appreciated.  


Brian, 

  

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[wb6dgn]

Hi Gerald and the group,
I think I've got one of these antennas too.  
It has a white fiberglass radome, just under 7 feet long and about an inch in 
diameter at the base,
coupled to an aluminum bottom section about a foot long and 1-5/16 inch 
diameter.  
A protective sleeve of the aluminum unscrews to expose an "N" female connector. 
 
The logo is a black rectangle with a white ellipse centered over it.  There was 
probably a name written in that ellipse but it's no longer readable now.  
There is a serial number tag on the aluminum base but some of the numbers are 
no longer readable due to a clamp damaging the tag.  
It also has the radial assembly just as you describe.  
I see no other markings or frequency range marked on it but, 
if it was pulled from the system I think it was, most of the channels were in 
the 453/458 range 
with one or two in the 467 range.  I suspect it'll work just fine on the ham 
band.  
The mounting clamps are missing but they should be pretty easy to scrounge; if 
anyone has spares, let me know.  
Where is the frequency range marked on the antenna?  If I know where to look, 
I'll try to clean a little of the dirt or oxidation to see if I can find it.  
Looks like a nice antenna.  There's an RFS version in the Tessco catalog that 
suggests that they might be the OEM parent of this antenna.
Tom DGN


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
>
> The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. Small bolt 
> fasten them together around the base.
> 
> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> McPherson, Ks
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna 
> made by Motorola
> 
> 
> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does 
> > not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them either. 
> > I was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond 
> > F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, plus 
> > it is designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small investment 
> > would yield better coverage.
> >
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I
> >> didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used it
> >> temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR 
> >> wasn't
> >> bad and worked just fine.
> >>
> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> >> McPherson, Ks
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "gebhardstephen" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
> >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> >> antenna
> >> made by Motorola
> >>
> >>
> >> > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured has
> >> > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this is 
> >> > as
> >> > far as I can go.  What I am trying to do is see if this is the right
> >> > antenna for a ham repeater on 447.425/442.425 split.  As I said before,
> >> > the SWR is OK, but I wonder if it is just operating on a multiple, and 
> >> > I
> >> > am not getting the full gain that I should.
> >> >
> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Could be.  Motorola spec say OA length for the TDE-6082A is *'.  The
> >> >> Hi-Gain specs for the TDD-6082A on the RB site don't give the OA 
> >> >> lengths
> >> >> for the different gain antennas, except to say max. length is about 
> >> >> 22'.
> >> >> Unless there is some indication of the Mfg. on the remaining portion 
> >> >> of
> >> >> the label or you can find more specs. for the Hi-Gain antenns it's 
> >> >> just a
> >> >> guess at this point.
> >> >>
> >> >> Doug   N3DAB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hudson"  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It could be a TDD-6082
> >> >> >
> >> >> > See here:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/mot-vhf-hi-gain-ant-specs.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bill - W6CBS
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   _
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n3dab
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:52 PM
> >> >> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater
> >> >> > antenna
> >> >> > made by Motorola
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mark
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My info came from an old Moto. catalog. If it is about 8' OA long
> >> >> > long with a N connector as he described on it it's not a mobile
> >> >> > antenna.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Doug N3DAB
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
> >> >> > yahoogroups.com, "Mark"  wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

[Chuck Kelsey]

Pictures would help.

Chuck
WB2EDV



  - Original Message - 
  From: k5in 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:38 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???


  Hi,


  Ok, I thought I have a db413 but I cannot count:

  Antenna is on a 12ft mast, 6 dipoles mounted vertically one above the other.

  No labels, 1.1 to 1 VSWR at 445.00mhz.

  Antenna is factory made with a top on it that looks like a DB Products.


  Any help will be appreciated.  


  Brian, 



  

[Repeater-Builder] What is this antenna???

[k5in]

Hi,


Ok, I thought I have a db413 but I cannot count:

Antenna is on a 12ft mast, 6 dipoles mounted vertically one above the other.

No labels, 1.1 to 1 VSWR at 445.00mhz.

Antenna is factory made with a top on it that looks like a DB Products.


Any help will be appreciated.  


Brian, 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[Gerald Pelnar]

The radials just clamp on. Each one is bent to reach to the next. Small bolt 
fasten them together around the base.

Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
McPherson, Ks

- Original Message - 
From: "gebhardstephen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:41 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna 
made by Motorola


> Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does 
> not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them either. 
> I was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond 
> F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, plus 
> it is designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small investment 
> would yield better coverage.
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  
> wrote:
>>
>> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I
>> didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used it
>> temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR 
>> wasn't
>> bad and worked just fine.
>>
>> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
>> McPherson, Ks
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "gebhardstephen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
>> antenna
>> made by Motorola
>>
>>
>> > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured has
>> > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this is 
>> > as
>> > far as I can go.  What I am trying to do is see if this is the right
>> > antenna for a ham repeater on 447.425/442.425 split.  As I said before,
>> > the SWR is OK, but I wonder if it is just operating on a multiple, and 
>> > I
>> > am not getting the full gain that I should.
>> >
>> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Could be.  Motorola spec say OA length for the TDE-6082A is *'.  The
>> >> Hi-Gain specs for the TDD-6082A on the RB site don't give the OA 
>> >> lengths
>> >> for the different gain antennas, except to say max. length is about 
>> >> 22'.
>> >> Unless there is some indication of the Mfg. on the remaining portion 
>> >> of
>> >> the label or you can find more specs. for the Hi-Gain antenns it's 
>> >> just a
>> >> guess at this point.
>> >>
>> >> Doug   N3DAB
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hudson"  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > It could be a TDD-6082
>> >> >
>> >> > See here:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/mot-vhf-hi-gain-ant-specs.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill - W6CBS
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >   _
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n3dab
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:52 PM
>> >> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater
>> >> > antenna
>> >> > made by Motorola
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark
>> >> >
>> >> > My info came from an old Moto. catalog. If it is about 8' OA long
>> >> > long with a N connector as he described on it it's not a mobile
>> >> > antenna.
>> >> >
>> >> > Doug N3DAB
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
>> >> > yahoogroups.com, "Mark"  wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm confused. This was described initially as a "repeater antenna"
>> >> > > but if
>> >> > I
>> >> > > Google the Motorola part number, I see pictures of a mobile 
>> >> > > antenna.
>> >> > > Which
>> >> > > are we talking about?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mark - N9WYS
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -Original Message-
>> >> > > From: Repeater-Builder@ 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of n3dab
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Negative, but my guess would be Phelps Dodge. Maybe Celwave,or
>> >> > > possibly DB
>> >> > > Products. Maybe some of the other Guru's on the site can probably
>> >> > > fill you
>> >> > > in on that.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Doug N3DAB
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen" 
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Thanks Doug, actually I checked SWR on 442 Mhz and it is 1.2:1! 
>> >> > > > Do
>> >> > > > you
>> >> > > know who made this for Motorola?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@
>> >> > > > 
>> >> > yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > It's a TDE-6082A, 5db gain, 460-470MHz. If ti is working 
>> >> > > > > properly
>> >> > > > > it
>> >> > > would be good for GMRS as is. Don't know what you would find in > 
>> >> > >  >
>> >> > > SWR in
>> >> > > the 440 band but probably more then you would want to consider
>> >> > > having.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Doug N3DAB
>> >> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
>> >> > > 
>> >> >

[Repeater-Builder] Re: simplex repeater

[Jim Kvochick]

You can also put the NHRC2 repeater controller in Simplex mode.

If you have the ISD sound chip installed, when the controller is in simplex 
mode it will record the last 20 seconds of audio, then when the carrier is 
gone, it will key the transmitter and replay it.

Jim WB8AZP

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[Greg Beat]

Did you check the resistor (for voltage drop) on that LED??

It is very possible that resistor has either changed in value or 
the value may have been mistakenly read (red for orange) during final assembly 
(it happens).

w9gb

[Repeater-Builder] Quantar VHF Range1 Help .... while we're on the subject

[James Delancy]

While we are on the subject of Quantars   Anybody do any linking of 
P25/mixed mode operations back into an analog linked system?  If so, how 
did you control whether it would be analog or digital transmissions from 
the Quantar (or other P25 capable box) when in received a transmission 
from the linked network?

Thanks!

James


w7...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
>  
>
> I would like to thank all who helped me with my post regarding my 
> Quantar [Mod. T5365A].!!!
>
>  
>
> I have to hit the manual and find out what options are installed. As 
> far as repeaters, I have been running a Motorola MSR 2000 for [14] 
> yrs., without any problems!
>
>  
>
> I feel very priviledged to be able to communicate with a group as 
> knowledgable as you folksI may have a few more questions, if I 
> decide to connect a controller. The only reason for a controller would 
> be for linking capability.
>
>  
>
> A big "thank you" again for the assistance!
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tim Hardy W7TRH / AFA0TP
>
> Vashon Is. Wa USA
>
>
>
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re. Quantar VHF Range1 Help

[w7trh]

Hello Group, 



I would like to thank all who helped me with my post regarding my Quantar [Mod. 
T5365A].!!! 



I have to hit the manual and find out what options are installed. As far as 
repeaters, I have been running a Motorola MSR 2000 for [14] yrs., without any 
problems! 



I feel very priviledged to be able to communicate with a group as knowledgable 
as you folksI may have a few more questions, if I decide to connect a 
controller. The only reason for a controller would be for linking capability. 



A big "thank you" again for the assistance! 



Best Regards, 

Tim Hardy W7TRH / AFA0TP 

Vashon Is. Wa USA 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[ka1jfy]

There was at least one version of a fiberglass 'ball bat' that had the ground 
radials simply clamped to the bottom ring of the antenna with a variation of a 
hose clamp.

WalterH

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
wrote:
>
> Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does not 
> have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them either.

>SNIP>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: More on the Q2330 Duplexer

[ve7fet]

Yes, either the Q202G or the Q2330 will do what you want. 

Sinclair may have changed the spec sheet on the Q2330, but they haven't changed 
the construction, so if tuned properly, you should get plenty of isolation.


Lee

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, David Struebel  wrote:
>
> With all of this discussion, is either the Q202 or its cousins or the new 
> Q2330 all with now 80 dB of isolation good enough for a 2 meter repeater with 
> a 0.6 MHz split?   Putting a new machine on the air and need to know if I 
> should go with a 6 cavity duplexer to give me the 100 or so dB isolation, and 
> albeit the higher insertion loss or can I stay with a 4 can duplexer with 
> typically 85 dB isolation and 1.5 dB insertion loss?
> 
> In a quandry... most of my experience is with a Sinclair hybrid ring duplexer 
> which seems to work fine at a 25 watt level.
> 
> 
> 73 Dave WB2FTX

[Repeater-Builder] Re: More on the Q2330 Duplexer

[ac6vj]

Hi Gang,

I have two 2M repeaters made out of Micor Mobil's running 30W each.  They both 
use Sinclair Q202G0-N Hybrid Ring [the model number you're looking for] with 
absolutely no desense.  They are the bomb, but thay are a little bit of work to 
tune, the only problem with using the Q202G is that the plunger hits the bottom 
of the can at about 144.700 megahertz.





- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>
> The Q202 with the 7" dia cans would give you better results, i believe, 
> higher Q and all that.  The hybrib ring type might be a PIA to retune but if 
> you have the 4 cans with the Tuning Capacitor in the Loop Assembly tuning 
> will be much easier and you should get 85 to 90 dB isolation per side.  Not  
> sure what the complete model no. is but there are some on eBay in one of the 
> store listings (though the price is quite high for the Ham market).
> 
> Doug  N3DAB
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, David Struebel  wrote:
> >
> > With all of this discussion, is either the Q202 or its cousins or the new 
> > Q2330 all with now 80 dB of isolation good enough for a 2 meter repeater 
> > with a 0.6 MHz split?   Putting a new machine on the air and need to know 
> > if I should go with a 6 cavity duplexer to give me the 100 or so dB 
> > isolation, and albeit the higher insertion loss or can I stay with a 4 can 
> > duplexer with typically 85 dB isolation and 1.5 dB insertion loss?
> > 
> > In a quandry... most of my experience is with a Sinclair hybrid ring 
> > duplexer which seems to work fine at a 25 watt level.
> > 
> > 
> > 73 Dave WB2FTX
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: John J. Riddell 
> >   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:41 PM
> >   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on the Q2330 Duplexer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   After checking the Sinclair Web site, I see that they have lowered the Tx 
> > - Rx isolation
> >   on the Q 2330 duplexer to 85 Db.
> >   The original literature that I had claimed 100 Db.
> > 
> >   73 John VE3AMZ
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   No virus found in this incoming message.
> >   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> >   Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2023 - Release Date: 
> > 03/25/09 18:54:00
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
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>

[Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Repeaters

[depley]

I have 2 UHF Micor repeaters for sale or trade Location is Central Indiana.

David Epley, N9CZV

[Repeater-Builder] Re: More on the Q2330 Duplexer

[n3dab]

The Q202 with the 7" dia cans would give you better results, i believe, higher 
Q and all that.  The hybrib ring type might be a PIA to retune but if you have 
the 4 cans with the Tuning Capacitor in the Loop Assembly tuning will be much 
easier and you should get 85 to 90 dB isolation per side.  Not  sure what the 
complete model no. is but there are some on eBay in one of the store listings 
(though the price is quite high for the Ham market).

Doug  N3DAB
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, David Struebel  wrote:
>
> With all of this discussion, is either the Q202 or its cousins or the new 
> Q2330 all with now 80 dB of isolation good enough for a 2 meter repeater with 
> a 0.6 MHz split?   Putting a new machine on the air and need to know if I 
> should go with a 6 cavity duplexer to give me the 100 or so dB isolation, and 
> albeit the higher insertion loss or can I stay with a 4 can duplexer with 
> typically 85 dB isolation and 1.5 dB insertion loss?
> 
> In a quandry... most of my experience is with a Sinclair hybrid ring duplexer 
> which seems to work fine at a 25 watt level.
> 
> 
> 73 Dave WB2FTX
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: John J. Riddell 
>   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:41 PM
>   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on the Q2330 Duplexer
> 
> 
> 
>   After checking the Sinclair Web site, I see that they have lowered the Tx - 
> Rx isolation
>   on the Q 2330 duplexer to 85 Db.
>   The original literature that I had claimed 100 Db.
> 
>   73 John VE3AMZ
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 
>   No virus found in this incoming message.
>   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>   Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2023 - Release Date: 03/25/09 
> 18:54:00
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.30/2026 - Release Date: 03/27/09 
> 07:13:00
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on the Q2330 Duplexer

[David Struebel]

With all of this discussion, is either the Q202 or its cousins or the new Q2330 
all with now 80 dB of isolation good enough for a 2 meter repeater with a 0.6 
MHz split?   Putting a new machine on the air and need to know if I should go 
with a 6 cavity duplexer to give me the 100 or so dB isolation, and albeit the 
higher insertion loss or can I stay with a 4 can duplexer with typically 85 dB 
isolation and 1.5 dB insertion loss?

In a quandry... most of my experience is with a Sinclair hybrid ring duplexer 
which seems to work fine at a 25 watt level.


73 Dave WB2FTX
  - Original Message - 
  From: John J. Riddell 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:41 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on the Q2330 Duplexer



  After checking the Sinclair Web site, I see that they have lowered the Tx - 
Rx isolation
  on the Q 2330 duplexer to 85 Db.
  The original literature that I had claimed 100 Db.

  73 John VE3AMZ

  


--



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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[gebhardstephen]

I know all about falling asleep at the keyboard!  My version might be the lower 
gain one.  I think I'll try adding ground radials first and see what happens, 
definetly the cheaper way to go at this point.  Thanks for the information.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
>
> Sorry I was asleep at the keyboard last night. TDE-6082A is 8 feet long OA 
> per moto. specs.  Photo of the TDD  is generic and the lower gain version may 
> not have had radials.  However some alum. sheet strips projecting about 1/4 
> wave off the base and secured with a SS hose clamp will do the trick if you 
> want to go to the trouble.  
> 
> Doug  N3DAB  
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does not 
> > have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them either.  I 
> > was contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond F718A, 
> > it has better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, plus it is 
> > designed for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small investment would 
> > yield better coverage.
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I 
> > > didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used it 
> > > temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR 
> > > wasn't 
> > > bad and worked just fine.
> > > 
> > > Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > > McPherson, Ks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "gebhardstephen" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
> > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > antenna 
> > > made by Motorola
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured has 
> > > > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this is 
> > > > as 
> > > > far as I can go.  What I am trying to do is see if this is the right 
> > > > antenna for a ham repeater on 447.425/442.425 split.  As I said before, 
> > > > the SWR is OK, but I wonder if it is just operating on a multiple, and 
> > > > I 
> > > > am not getting the full gain that I should.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Could be.  Motorola spec say OA length for the TDE-6082A is *'.  The 
> > > >> Hi-Gain specs for the TDD-6082A on the RB site don't give the OA 
> > > >> lengths 
> > > >> for the different gain antennas, except to say max. length is about 
> > > >> 22'. 
> > > >> Unless there is some indication of the Mfg. on the remaining portion 
> > > >> of 
> > > >> the label or you can find more specs. for the Hi-Gain antenns it's 
> > > >> just a 
> > > >> guess at this point.
> > > >>
> > > >> Doug   N3DAB
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hudson"  wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It could be a TDD-6082
> > > >> >
> > > >> > See here:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/mot-vhf-hi-gain-ant-specs.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Bill - W6CBS
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >   _
> > > >> >
> > > >> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n3dab
> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:52 PM
> > > >> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > > >> > antenna
> > > >> > made by Motorola
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Mark
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My info came from an old Moto. catalog. If it is about 8' OA long
> > > >> > long with a N connector as he described on it it's not a mobile 
> > > >> > antenna.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Doug N3DAB
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
> > > >> > yahoogroups.com, "Mark"  wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I'm confused. This was described initially as a "repeater antenna" 
> > > >> > > but if
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > > Google the Motorola part number, I see pictures of a mobile 
> > > >> > > antenna. 
> > > >> > > Which
> > > >> > > are we talking about?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Mark - N9WYS
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -Original Message-
> > > >> > > From: Repeater-Builder@ 
> > > >> > yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of n3dab
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Negative, but my guess would be Phelps Dodge. Maybe Celwave,or 
> > > >> > > possibly DB
> > > >> > > Products. Maybe some of the other Guru's on the site can probably 
> > > >> > > fill you
> > > >> > > in on that.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Doug N3DAB
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
> > > >> > > 
> > > >> > yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen" 
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[Lee Pennington]

 I've been using a NHRC II controller, assembled from a kit more than 5
years ago. Flawless performance in a GE Mastr II  UHF machine.
de Lee
K4LJP
73

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM, wb8art  wrote:

>   Bob I have been able to fit the ICS Basic controller in the front in
> place of the tone bd. similar to the NHRC retro. So far not had any
> problems.
>
> Randy
>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com,
> n...@... wrote:
> >
> > At 3/27/2009 07:36, you wrote:
> > >Bob, I've been considering getting one of the NHRC controllers for a GE
> > >MVP. Are they dependable, or like your email mentions, having some
> > >occasional failures?
> >
> > IMO, no. Our NHRC-micro has failed 3 times. The first time NHRC was nice
> > enough to repair it under warranty, but the 2nd time they stopped
> answering
> > e-mails, so I fixed it myself as well as the 3rd time a couple of months
> > ago. Each time the problem was a bad chip capacitor. On the last failure
> > the chip cap shorted the V+ line, vaporizing a trace as well as some of
> the
> > board material. I managed to fix it but it's barely hanging on now.
> >
> > The repeater itself is installed in a rather benign environment (3 story
> > medical office building) & I've been told there hasn't been any lightning
>
> > in the area during the entire time it's been in operation. Also nothing
> > else in the system suffered any damage during this time, including the
> > Astron power supply, which never crowbarred. So my conclusion is that a
> > bad batch of chip caps found their way into this unit. Given this
> > conclusion & NHRC's failure to communicate with me on the 2nd failure I
> > can't recommend their products, & have been looking for a non-NHRC
> > replacement controller that would fit in the multi-freq area of an
> > MVP. Looks like we finally have something available in the RC-99.
> >
> > Bob NO6B
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
"Smart pills are placebos, you can't fix stupid."

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[gebhardstephen]

I have heard that Diamond's gain ratings were a bit inflated, so maybe I'll 
just stick with what I have until I can afford a Super Station Master!

I would like to look at that mod, could you send along a link to it?  Thanks.

--- In repeater-buil...@yahoogroudps.com, wd8chl  wrote:
>
> gebhardstephen wrote:
> > Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have
> > does not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install
> > them either.  I was contemplating changing the antenna to something
> > like a Diamond F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one
> > I am using now, plus it is designed for the frequency I am on, I
> > wonder if the small investment would yield better coverage.
> 
> Look again-the Diamond antennas are rated for dBi, not dBd. In theory, 
> more than a 2dB difference, in practice for these at least, more like 
> 3-5 dB.
> I'd stick wit the 6082. Worst case, do my foil mod on the R-B 
> website-it's been done to that style UHF antenna succesfully.
> 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar" 
> > wrote:
> >> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long
> >> (I didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I
> >> used it temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for
> >> testing. SWR wasn't bad and worked just fine.
> >> 
> >> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF McPherson, Ks
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[scomind]

Hi Bob,

This may or may not apply, but "chip capacitors",?also known as?MLC 
(multi-layer ceramic) capacitors,?can fail from stress cracking?if?unevenly 
heated during the soldering process.?For this reason MLC?manufacturers advise 
against?hand soldering as the?fractures can be hard to see -- and the?failure 
can show up?weeks or months later.

73,
Bob, WA9FBO
S-COM, LLC



-Original Message-
From: n...@no6b.com
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 9:17 am
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?






At 3/27/2009 07:36, you wrote:
>Bob, I've been considering getting one of the NHRC controllers for a GE 
>MVP. Are they dependable, or like your email mentions, having some 
>occasional failures?

IMO, no. Our NHRC-micro has failed 3 times. The first time NHRC was nice 
enough to repair it under warranty, but the 2nd time they stopped answering 
e-mails, so I fixed it myself as well as the 3rd time a couple of months 
ago. Each time the problem was a bad chip capacitor. On the last failure 
the chip cap shorted the V+ line, vaporizing a trace as well as some of the 
board material. I managed to fix it but it's barely hanging on now.

The repeater itself is installed in a rather benign environment (3 story 
medical office building) & I've been told there hasn't been any lightning 
in the area during the entire time it's been in operation. Also nothing 
else in the system suffered any damage during this time, including the 
Astron power supply, which never crowbarred. So my conclusion is that a 
bad batch of chip caps found their way into this unit. Given this 
conclusion & NHRC's failure to communicate with me on the 2nd failure I 
can't recommend their products, & have been looking for a non-NHRC 
replacement controller that would fit in the multi-freq area of an 
MVP. Looks like we finally have something available in the RC-99.

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[wd8chl]

gebhardstephen wrote:
> Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have
> does not have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install
> them either.  I was contemplating changing the antenna to something
> like a Diamond F718A, it has better gain, almost double over the one
> I am using now, plus it is designed for the frequency I am on, I
> wonder if the small investment would yield better coverage.

Look again-the Diamond antennas are rated for dBi, not dBd. In theory, 
more than a 2dB difference, in practice for these at least, more like 
3-5 dB.
I'd stick wit the 6082. Worst case, do my foil mod on the R-B 
website-it's been done to that style UHF antenna succesfully.

> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar" 
> wrote:
>> I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long
>> (I didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I
>> used it temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for
>> testing. SWR wasn't bad and worked just fine.
>> 
>> Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF McPherson, Ks

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Quantar 125 watt Repeater [VHF Range 1]

[wd8chl]

afa5tp wrote:
> Hello Group
> 
> I have a few questions regarding this nine year old rpt. [NOS]
> 
> As old as it is, I am wondering if the RSS would have to be purchased
> from Motorola? I plan to use the rpt. in "Conventional" mode, even
> though it is "ASTRO" capable.
> 

Just to add to what Neil said:
That's not even close to old. It's still current production, and likely 
the only difference between it and what you would buy now is probably 
firmware, maybe the vocoder for digital.
Chances are you can even call Moto and get a firmware upgrade to do P25 
(for a small fee of course ;c)

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[wb8art]

Bob I have been able to fit the ICS Basic controller in the front in place of 
the tone bd. similar to the NHRC retro.  So far not had any problems.

Randy

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n...@... wrote:
>
> At 3/27/2009 07:36, you wrote:
> >Bob, I've been considering getting one of the NHRC controllers for a GE 
> >MVP. Are they dependable, or like your email mentions, having some 
> >occasional failures?
> 
> IMO, no.  Our NHRC-micro has failed 3 times.  The first time NHRC was nice 
> enough to repair it under warranty, but the 2nd time they stopped answering 
> e-mails, so I fixed it myself as well as the 3rd time a couple of months 
> ago.  Each time the problem was a bad chip capacitor.  On the last failure 
> the chip cap shorted the V+ line, vaporizing a trace as well as some of the 
> board material.  I managed to fix it but it's barely hanging on now.
> 
> The repeater itself is installed in a rather benign environment (3 story 
> medical office building) & I've been told there hasn't been any lightning 
> in the area during the entire time it's been in operation.  Also nothing 
> else in the system suffered any damage during this time, including the 
> Astron power supply, which never crowbarred.  So my conclusion is that a 
> bad batch of chip caps found their way into this unit.  Given this 
> conclusion & NHRC's failure to communicate with me on the 2nd failure I 
> can't recommend their products, & have been looking for a non-NHRC 
> replacement controller that would fit in the multi-freq area of an 
> MVP.  Looks like we finally have something available in the RC-99.
> 
> Bob NO6B
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[AJ]

I have an NHRC-7 that had a DOA CSQ LED on port one brand new out of the
box... Only lasts about 6 months between LEDs - something in the circuit is
blowing through the current reduction and literally making the LED cook...

For now, we've just disabled the LEDs all together - even though it's a
through hole component, it still sucks to have to replace it on the mountain
top...

The Power, PTT, CTCSS, and CSQ LEDs for port 2, along with the CTCSS and PTT
LEDs for port 1, and all 3 of the DTMF decode LEDs, have yet to have a
single issue - just the CSQ on port 1.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM,  wrote:

>   At 3/27/2009 07:36, you wrote:
> >Bob, I've been considering getting one of the NHRC controllers for a GE
> >MVP. Are they dependable, or like your email mentions, having some
> >occasional failures?
>
> IMO, no. Our NHRC-micro has failed 3 times. The first time NHRC was nice
> enough to repair it under warranty, but the 2nd time they stopped answering
>
> e-mails, so I fixed it myself as well as the 3rd time a couple of months
> ago. Each time the problem was a bad chip capacitor. On the last failure
> the chip cap shorted the V+ line, vaporizing a trace as well as some of the
>
> board material. I managed to fix it but it's barely hanging on now.
>
> The repeater itself is installed in a rather benign environment (3 story
> medical office building) & I've been told there hasn't been any lightning
> in the area during the entire time it's been in operation. Also nothing
> else in the system suffered any damage during this time, including the
> Astron power supply, which never crowbarred. So my conclusion is that a
> bad batch of chip caps found their way into this unit. Given this
> conclusion & NHRC's failure to communicate with me on the 2nd failure I
> can't recommend their products, & have been looking for a non-NHRC
> replacement controller that would fit in the multi-freq area of an
> MVP. Looks like we finally have something available in the RC-99.
>
> Bob NO6B
>
>  
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[no6b]

At 3/27/2009 07:36, you wrote:
>Bob, I've been considering getting one of the NHRC controllers for a GE 
>MVP. Are they dependable, or like your email mentions, having some 
>occasional failures?

IMO, no.  Our NHRC-micro has failed 3 times.  The first time NHRC was nice 
enough to repair it under warranty, but the 2nd time they stopped answering 
e-mails, so I fixed it myself as well as the 3rd time a couple of months 
ago.  Each time the problem was a bad chip capacitor.  On the last failure 
the chip cap shorted the V+ line, vaporizing a trace as well as some of the 
board material.  I managed to fix it but it's barely hanging on now.

The repeater itself is installed in a rather benign environment (3 story 
medical office building) & I've been told there hasn't been any lightning 
in the area during the entire time it's been in operation.  Also nothing 
else in the system suffered any damage during this time, including the 
Astron power supply, which never crowbarred.  So my conclusion is that a 
bad batch of chip caps found their way into this unit.  Given this 
conclusion & NHRC's failure to communicate with me on the 2nd failure I 
can't recommend their products, & have been looking for a non-NHRC 
replacement controller that would fit in the multi-freq area of an 
MVP.  Looks like we finally have something available in the RC-99.

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Station ID volume on kenwood tkr 850-1

[Dave Nathanson]

  Thank you Eric, Ken, Juan, & Milt !!!

In this usage it seems like "deviation" translates as something  
similar to "audio volume"?
Or perhaps deviation is the difference between loud & quiet audio  
volume? Hmm, yeah, that sounds plausible.

Thanks!
Dave Nathanson


On Mar 26, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Eric Lemmon wrote:
> Dave,
>
> The CW ID deviation adjustment is step 26 in the service manual  
> "alignment"
> section. It is adjusted with your PC when running FPU KPG-91D  
> software.
> The default setting is +/- 2 kHz, but it can be set to any value you  
> wish.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nathanson
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:13 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Station ID volume on kenwood tkr 850-1
>
> Our repeater is a Kenwood TKR-850-1 and it does its station ID as CW.
> The problem is that that ID is far louder audio than the voice volume.
> I'm a complete newbie at this, and not even at the repeater site. I
> downloaded the manuals (tkr-750-780-programming-v101.pdf &  
> tkr-750-850-
> function-v101.pdf) but did not see anything there about controlling
> the audio volume of the station id. Is there a way to turn that down?
> Thanks!
> Dave

[Repeater-Builder] UHF Programming Software Needed

[Mark]

To the learned group(s).

 

I am trying to "rejuvenate" some GE Monogram portables that were donated to
my county EMA.  They are described in the attached message below.  We were
told that some Maxon programming software would work to reprogram them, but
this is not working as desired (i.e., not at all).  

 

If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd be much obliged.  BTW -
this is ALL I know about these radios.  If I am violating some list
provision by requesting GE programming software - please forgive me. I know
that asking for Motorola RSS is punishable by death (or worse), but I don't
remember reading something similar about GE software.

 

Thanks in advance!

Mark - N9WYS

 

From: Jim_w9att 

 


Hi Mark,

Thanks again for helping to diagnose the UHF Radios.  The programming
software we need is for the following UHF Radios:

 

Make:  Ericsson GE

Model Number:  344A4209P13

Serial Number (of this particular radio in front of me):  9250445

FCC ID #  F3JSP2850

DOC/MDC # 287 194 149P

 

That's all the markings that it had.  Thanks again for your help in trying
to locate the software to program these!

 

Jim

 

[Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE4000 power supply dead...

[graham_w_47]

I hace a Cushman CE4000 which has gone to sleep !! The switch mode power supply 
board 7001-0818 Rev 6 is dead. I would like to know the pin configuration of 
this board, the output side of it. Any info as to what pins supply the 
+25,+12,+7,-14 on the 5200 DC switcher board would be appreciated..As this is 
going to be used on the bench as a backup unit I am not really concerned with 
the battery option , as long as I can get er' going..I can construct a power 
supply, as long as I know what I need on the pins of the 5200 board output.. 
Any info appreciated.

Graham VE3WGW 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna made by Motorola

[n3dab]

Sorry I was asleep at the keyboard last night. TDE-6082A is 8 feet long OA per 
moto. specs.  Photo of the TDD  is generic and the lower gain version may not 
have had radials.  However some alum. sheet strips projecting about 1/4 wave 
off the base and secured with a SS hose clamp will do the trick if you want to 
go to the trouble.  

Doug  N3DAB  

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen"  
wrote:
>
> Thanks Gerald, that sounds like the one, except for the one I have does not 
> have ground radials, and I don't see any place to install them either.  I was 
> contemplating changing the antenna to something like a Diamond F718A, it has 
> better gain, almost double over the one I am using now, plus it is designed 
> for the frequency I am on, I wonder if the small investment would yield 
> better coverage.
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Pelnar"  wrote:
> >
> > I have one of those in the garage. TDE-6082A It's about 7 feet long (I 
> > didn't measure it) and has radials on it. Label says 460- 470. I used it 
> > temporarily on a 443.275 machine here at the house for testing. SWR wasn't 
> > bad and worked just fine.
> > 
> > Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF
> > McPherson, Ks
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "gebhardstephen" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:13 AM
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater antenna 
> > made by Motorola
> > 
> > 
> > > That one is closer, but the length is wrong, and the one pictured has 
> > > ground radials, this one does not.  Without specifics I guess this is as 
> > > far as I can go.  What I am trying to do is see if this is the right 
> > > antenna for a ham repeater on 447.425/442.425 split.  As I said before, 
> > > the SWR is OK, but I wonder if it is just operating on a multiple, and I 
> > > am not getting the full gain that I should.
> > >
> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Could be.  Motorola spec say OA length for the TDE-6082A is *'.  The 
> > >> Hi-Gain specs for the TDD-6082A on the RB site don't give the OA lengths 
> > >> for the different gain antennas, except to say max. length is about 22'. 
> > >> Unless there is some indication of the Mfg. on the remaining portion of 
> > >> the label or you can find more specs. for the Hi-Gain antenns it's just 
> > >> a 
> > >> guess at this point.
> > >>
> > >> Doug   N3DAB
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hudson"  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > It could be a TDD-6082
> > >> >
> > >> > See here:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/mot-vhf-hi-gain-ant-specs.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill - W6CBS
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >   _
> > >> >
> > >> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n3dab
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:52 PM
> > >> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need information on a UHF repeater 
> > >> > antenna
> > >> > made by Motorola
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark
> > >> >
> > >> > My info came from an old Moto. catalog. If it is about 8' OA long
> > >> > long with a N connector as he described on it it's not a mobile 
> > >> > antenna.
> > >> >
> > >> > Doug N3DAB
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
> > >> > yahoogroups.com, "Mark"  wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm confused. This was described initially as a "repeater antenna" 
> > >> > > but if
> > >> > I
> > >> > > Google the Motorola part number, I see pictures of a mobile antenna. 
> > >> > > Which
> > >> > > are we talking about?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Mark - N9WYS
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -Original Message-
> > >> > > From: Repeater-Builder@ 
> > >> > yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of n3dab
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Negative, but my guess would be Phelps Dodge. Maybe Celwave,or 
> > >> > > possibly DB
> > >> > > Products. Maybe some of the other Guru's on the site can probably 
> > >> > > fill you
> > >> > > in on that.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Doug N3DAB
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
> > >> > yahoogroups.com, "gebhardstephen" 
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks Doug, actually I checked SWR on 442 Mhz and it is 1.2:1! Do 
> > >> > > > you
> > >> > > know who made this for Motorola?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > yahoogroups.com, "n3dab"  wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > It's a TDE-6082A, 5db gain, 460-470MHz. If ti is working 
> > >> > > > > properly 
> > >> > > > > it
> > >> > > would be good for GMRS as is. Don't know what you would find in > > 
> > >> > > SWR in
> > >> > > the 440 band but probably more then you would want to consider 
> > >> > > having.
> > >> > > >

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

[Chris Curtis]

HAHA! Sounds like my house!


chris
Kb0wlf


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n...@no6b.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:00 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anyone ever used this repeater controller?

At 3/26/2009 20:21, you wrote:

>http://www2.plus10.com/rc-99.html

No, but I do believe it will fit in the multi-freq area of an MVP.  Will 
have to give one a try if the NHRC-micro gives out again.  Thanks for the
info.

"Plus 10" has an interesting business profile: wood sheds, horse barns & 
repeater controllers.

Bob NO6B







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] supply

[Gary Glaenzer]

the heat sink resembles the M-70 supplies, but they didn't have that many 
capacitors


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Hudson 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:17 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] supply





  Find the TPN- Number on it.  Then Google it.



  Looks like Mocom 70 era of Motorola Supplies



  Bill




--

  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Merrill
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:06 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] supply



  can anyone identify this supply

  thanks in advance

  Merrill
  KG4IDD


  


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[Repeater-Builder] GM-300 (modified 8Ch type, with 16pin connector on back) to Doug Hall Voter.

[Gmail - Kevin, Natalia, Stacey & Rochelle]

Hi All,

I have 4 spare GM-300's, 8ch model which I have modified to 16ch's on 430Mhz.
They have the 16 pin connector in the back.

I would like to try and use them with a Doug Hall Voter and see how they work.
At this stage I only want to test it in the shack, to see how it works before I 
look at using it inthe field.
My first play with a voting system.

I wish to ask if someone could give some pointers in how to hook them up and 
any tips in making them work correctly?
Any ideas would be a big step forward for this project, would save me jumping 
in the deep end, not that I am not willing to give it a go.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Direct would be fine if you do not wish 
to pass them through the group, but it may help others.

Regards

Kevin, ZL1KFM.