Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification
If you are using the4 RC-210 it doesn't take the link out of commission during the ID. Say it's time to ID the remote TX comes up and starts IDing without PL, if someone keys up on the repeater the PL get's enabled on the remote TX radio and what's left of the ID will be heard. With the RC-210 the TX PL follows the receiver activity. I am using the RC-210 in the manner now and it's not very often a user and the ID make it through together. -Sean > I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote base" > radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on those link > transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming out the > remote repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what happens > when a QSO is in progress and a controller decides it's time to ID on the > link? The link would be out of service during the ID. I can think of > ways to signal users on both repeaters to "please hold" until the link is > done with the ID, but I'm not so sure I like that idea. Any slick > solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 controllers on both repeaters. > > James K7ICU > >
[Repeater-Builder] FS: Kenwood TKR-820
I have a Kenwood TKR-820 in perfect working order up for sale. I do not use these in my system, so I am looking to offload it for sale or trade. This unit is complete and includes the internal duplexer. The repeater is currently on 464.325/469.325. Taking reasonable offers. If a trade is considered, I am looking for Motorola Quantar VHF Range 1 parts or XTS2500 VHF or UHF range 1. Please reply direct ... James Delancy WJ1D
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification
I think we worry too much about bothering users with CW IDs. I can see how huge backbones or IRLP need to deal with this, but in a simple, linked pair of repeaters, I don't think it's that big an issue. I've always programmed my S-Coms to send the impolite ID at around 300-350 Hz. It's audible, even on the end user's filtered radio, but very low-key. It doesn't intrude on the conversation. On a link, I'd program all IDs the same way, and leave the individial repeater IDs at a higher audio frequency. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: crackedofn0de To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote base" radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on those link transmitters... .
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Link Identification
I am working with "flat" audio indeed, so an external audio filter would be the way to go. I can't think of any reason why such a filter would cause noises like you describe though, or any noise at all. If this is a typical problem for some reason, maybe someone can recommend a "clean" circuit or product for this use. A passive circuit would be ideal to me, but I'm not sure how nicely that would play with the low-level "flat" audio output on my receiver. James K7ICU --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Duehr" wrote: > > Don't know if the RC-210 has such a thing, but on the S-Com controllers, > they have the concept of "polite" ID's and "impolite" ID's. > > If you already have a way to command the CTCSS encoder OFF wired up to > the controller, how I'd handle it is ID without tone for "polite" ID's, > leave it on for "impolite", meaning that someone's talking anyway, and > if the ID needs to go, it needs to go... the other end will hear it > mixed with the audio from the user, but only if the repeater is forced > to do the ID "impolitely". Also the S-Coms have the concept of "end of > activity" ID and other things, that would just make doing this, if you > already have that CTCSS "disable" line wired up, a piece of cake... > > The comments about using a nice low tone so most/all of it "disappears" > in the CTCSS filtering is a good one also, if you're using the standard > audio chain in your repeater. If you doing the so-called "flat audio", > you may or may not have a CTCSS filter in the audio path. > > On the S-COM 7330, the control gets even better... it generates the tone > for you... so you can turn it on/off, etc... or eventually will. I > forget if that's in the beta code yet... but it'll be there. Complete > with phase shift to quickly/silently close commercial rigs that > understand such niceties that the ham rigs forgot ... or should I say, > never learned... > > Your "please hold" idea won't ever work quite right for long-winded > users, because the user radios are half-duplex. They'd never hear it if > it fired during a long-winded transmission that forced an ID. > > Other things I've seen done are using ID'ers at a specific tone > frequency and getting audio filtering devices for that specific tone, > but that's not clean, since you then hear "seemingly random" keyups > whenever those go off. Unless they're also going out without CTCSS > tone. > > You can get as fancy or as simple as you like, really. Sorry I'm no > help with Ken's controller, though... don't know what it can and can't > do. > > -- > Nate Duehr, WY0X > n...@... > > On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:31 +, "crackedofn0de" > wrote: > > I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote > > base" radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on > > those link transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming > > out the remote repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what > > happens when a QSO is in progress and a controller decides it's time to > > ID on the link? The link would be out of service during the ID. I can > > think of ways to signal users on both repeaters to "please hold" until > > the link is done with the ID, but I'm not so sure I like that idea. Any > > slick solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 controllers on both repeaters. > > > > James K7ICU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Link Identification
Just filtering out the ID sounds like an excellent solution. I guess I could also put a high Q notch filter in the audio line and maintain a less exotic ID frequency on the link. Back when I had an ancient controller on our repeater, I also had one of those "ID-O-Matic" boards tacked on to provide ID. I went through several of them actually. They kept going nuts, changing settings on their own and otherwise failing in random and strange ways. I tried working with N0XAS to figure it out, even sending them back and forth in the mail, but eventually just gave up and bought a new controller. Besides, I see a problem with using the "busy" delay built into the ID-O-Matic for this. When you get a couple "talkative" users tying up the repeater for an hour, never giving it a rest for more than 10 seconds at a time, you won't get an ID until they're done. Then you'd also still have the link tied up when the ID happens. James K7ICU --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, peme...@... wrote: > > > > Set the link site ID tone below 200 Hz and let the PL filter eliminate it > from being > > transmitted on the repeater xmtr. If someone needs to know what the ID is on > the > > link site they just have to listen on the link frequency without any PL > filter on. > > > > Have been doing this for the last 25 years on a multi-site ( 7 receivers) 2 > meter > > repeater and it works fine. We have a FCC engineering office in the Twin > Cities > > (MN), where this 2 meter repeater is, and they have never questioned the > use of > >  these tones for link system ID. > > > > Paul  K0LAV > > > - Original Message - > From: "crackedofn0de" > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 1:31:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification > > > > > > > > > I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote base" > radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on those link > transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming out the remote > repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what happens when a QSO is > in progress and a controller decides it's time to ID on the link? The link > would be out of service during the ID. I can think of ways to signal users on > both repeaters to "please hold" until the link is done with the ID, but I'm > not so sure I like that idea. Any slick solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 > controllers on both repeaters. > > James K7ICU >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification
Don't know if the RC-210 has such a thing, but on the S-Com controllers, they have the concept of "polite" ID's and "impolite" ID's. If you already have a way to command the CTCSS encoder OFF wired up to the controller, how I'd handle it is ID without tone for "polite" ID's, leave it on for "impolite", meaning that someone's talking anyway, and if the ID needs to go, it needs to go... the other end will hear it mixed with the audio from the user, but only if the repeater is forced to do the ID "impolitely". Also the S-Coms have the concept of "end of activity" ID and other things, that would just make doing this, if you already have that CTCSS "disable" line wired up, a piece of cake... The comments about using a nice low tone so most/all of it "disappears" in the CTCSS filtering is a good one also, if you're using the standard audio chain in your repeater. If you doing the so-called "flat audio", you may or may not have a CTCSS filter in the audio path. On the S-COM 7330, the control gets even better... it generates the tone for you... so you can turn it on/off, etc... or eventually will. I forget if that's in the beta code yet... but it'll be there. Complete with phase shift to quickly/silently close commercial rigs that understand such niceties that the ham rigs forgot ... or should I say, never learned... Your "please hold" idea won't ever work quite right for long-winded users, because the user radios are half-duplex. They'd never hear it if it fired during a long-winded transmission that forced an ID. Other things I've seen done are using ID'ers at a specific tone frequency and getting audio filtering devices for that specific tone, but that's not clean, since you then hear "seemingly random" keyups whenever those go off. Unless they're also going out without CTCSS tone. You can get as fancy or as simple as you like, really. Sorry I'm no help with Ken's controller, though... don't know what it can and can't do. -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:31 +, "crackedofn0de" wrote: > I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote > base" radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on > those link transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming > out the remote repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what > happens when a QSO is in progress and a controller decides it's time to > ID on the link? The link would be out of service during the ID. I can > think of ways to signal users on both repeaters to "please hold" until > the link is done with the ID, but I'm not so sure I like that idea. Any > slick solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 controllers on both repeaters. > > James K7ICU > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[Repeater-Builder] MSR-2000 with antennas and duplexers
MSR-2000 is 100watt UHF can be retuned to the ham bands. Comes with duplexers. Decibel products 8Bay dipole with mast also have 8 more dipoles without mast will include you could sell or use for back up. All for new low price$600 Its on 461.075,466.075 It comes with the 3 manuals that are Mint I bought for it. Cards installed are Digital Decoder module, Squelch Gate, Time out Timer, Station Control Unit. $600 for all of it. Pick up only on west coast of Florida Bradenton, Fla 50 miles south of Tampa.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification
Set the link site ID tone below 200 Hz and let the PL filter eliminate it from being transmitted on the repeater xmtr. If someone needs to know what the ID is on the link site they just have to listen on the link frequency without any PL filter on. Have been doing this for the last 25 years on a multi-site ( 7 receivers) 2 meter repeater and it works fine. We have a FCC engineering office in the Twin Cities (MN), where this 2 meter repeater is, and they have never questioned the use of these tones for link system ID. Paul K0LAV - Original Message - From: "crackedofn0de" To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 1:31:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote base" radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on those link transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming out the remote repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what happens when a QSO is in progress and a controller decides it's time to ID on the link? The link would be out of service during the ID. I can think of ways to signal users on both repeaters to "please hold" until the link is done with the ID, but I'm not so sure I like that idea. Any slick solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 controllers on both repeaters. James K7ICU
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification
Use a separate ID'r like the http://www.hamgadgets.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=64 hamgadets ID'r. I used it for link and ID on main repeater. Like you said, if you set it up to ID without tone, your all set. The IDer has a "busy" ID delay that you can delay the ID until QSO is complete and many other features that help in projects like this. Works very well for the cost for everything I have used it for. You can see my first phase I used it in last fall, now I have much more into it but you get the idea. http://gmrs.w1ckd.com/specifications.htm from my site Good luck From: crackedofn0de To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 2:31:58 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote base" radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on those link transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming out the remote repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what happens when a QSO is in progress and a controller decides it's time to ID on the link? The link would be out of service during the ID. I can think of ways to signal users on both repeaters to "please hold" until the link is done with the ID, but I'm not so sure I like that idea. Any slick solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 controllers on both repeaters. James K7ICU
[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Link Identification
I'm looking into linking two repeaters with a simple pair of "remote base" radios but I can't think of a way to elegantly handle the ID on those link transmitters. It's easy enough to prevent an ID from coming out the remote repeater by just sending it without a PL tone, but what happens when a QSO is in progress and a controller decides it's time to ID on the link? The link would be out of service during the ID. I can think of ways to signal users on both repeaters to "please hold" until the link is done with the ID, but I'm not so sure I like that idea. Any slick solutions? Lets assume Arcom RC-210 controllers on both repeaters. James K7ICU
[Repeater-Builder] Power Supply for Repeater
GMRS home brewed repeater with a 25 watt maxtrac receiving and the transmit radio is a m1225 40 watt. The power supply on it now is around 6 amps and will not handle the load when radio transmits. Can anyone give me a approximate amp power supply I need. I found how to build a 10 amp power supply but I'm still not sure that will be enough.
[Repeater-Builder] Looking service manual for motorola R2400
Hello everyone, I was looking for service manual for motorola R2400. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Henry
[Repeater-Builder] DB UHF duplexer
I posted a message for needing information on a decibel Product 532-4003-004, marked "TX 461-300, RX 466-300" I would need the jumper cable length and if they are tunable to the 444 mhz split. If anyone can help, it would be appreciated. Thanks, Jimmy Brown KC5WLF 145.370 Cedar Park, TX.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-652 duplexer
Kevin and all, Thanks... looked at the listing for the other Wacom BPBR units but wasn't sure it also applied to the WP-652... I have experience with similar duplexers so looks like it will be easy. 73 Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: Kevin Custer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-652 duplexer I should have also mentioned that even though the WP-652 is not listed - it tunes the same as the WP-641, with the obvious difference in TX to RX spacing. So, the tuning instructions for the other WP-xyz series can also be used to tune the WP-652. Sorry for any confusion. Kevin Custer David Struebel wrote: Anyone have tuning instructions for a Wacom WP-652 220 Mhz duplexer? Dave WB2FTX http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/ant-sys-index.html Scroll down to the Wacom section... Kevin Custer -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2156 - Release Date: 06/05/09 06:24:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-652 duplexer
I should have also mentioned that even though the WP-652 is not listed - it tunes the same as the WP-641, with the obvious difference in TX to RX spacing. So, the tuning instructions for the other WP-xyz series can also be used to tune the WP-652. Sorry for any confusion. Kevin Custer David Struebel wrote: Anyone have tuning instructions for a Wacom WP-652 220 Mhz duplexer? Dave WB2FTX http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/ant-sys-index.html Scroll down to the Wacom section... Kevin Custer
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-652 duplexer
David Struebel wrote: Anyone have tuning instructions for a Wacom WP-652 220 Mhz duplexer? Dave WB2FTX http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/ant-sys-index.html Scroll down to the Wacom section... Kevin Custer
[Repeater-Builder] Wacom WP-652 duplexer
Anyone have tuning instructions for a Wacom WP-652 220 Mhz duplexer? Dave WB2FTX
[Repeater-Builder] Decibel Products Duplexer
Can anyone tell me if the Decibel Products duplexer model number 532-4003-004 is workable on the Ham band? It was stamped for 461-300 transmit and 466-300 receive. Also the cable length between the cans on both sides are different lengths, and teflon is cracking. Any ideas on the proper lenghts? kc5wlf1 at yahoo. Thanks, Jim KC5WLF.
[Repeater-Builder] 220 repeater for sale
I have a SEA ESP 1000 ACSB 200-220 MHz self contained repeater with operating manual for sale. As I understand this is a data repeater. It can be converted to the Ham bands according to some of the posts I've read on this group posts. I would like $250 +shipping ($30) for it. Thanks Steve-W9YZU
