RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[ray kalbfeld]

i am interested in this MSF 5000 i will take as currently tunedasking price is 
fair, i can pick up i am in ft lauderdale fl

 
 

Raymond P. Kalbfeld
16850 Collins Avenue  Suite 112-463
Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 33160


Cell 786-267-7555
Office  305-831-1488
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale


















 



  



  
  
  



I have a MSF 5000 repeater for sale if someone is interested.
 
At this time it is programmed for GMRS. Here is some information on the 
repeater and a link to some pictures of the repeater:
 
Model Number -- C44CXB7106BT
Serial Number: -- 388CUY0315
Rated Power : 40 watts
Power out: Not sure but 24 watts out of the duplexer rings a bell. I will 
try to check that later.
Freq: Presently tuned for GMRS Freq of Transmit 462.625 Receive 
467.625
Software re-programmable.
No key is provided since I lost mine but the lock does work. Front panel is 
open now.
 
Optional equipment included :
 
MRTI 1000 Interface
Test Set with Cable
Older Tone Remote available
 
Comes with the following manuals:
MSF 5000 Digital Manual

MRTI - 1000 Telephone interface
 
I am located 18 miles south of Melbourne Florida in Barefoot Bay, Florida 
32976
I will not ship.
 
Willing to hook up to demonstrate the repeater and hook up the bird to show 
power out. 
 
Priced at $445.00 cash
 
Pictures of the actual repeater can be found here : http://cus2.net/temp/




 









  
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[Eric Vincent]

Hello John,

 

I use a cell phone into a remote solar site, the interface is a XLINK BT.
The cell phone use the Bluetooth to communicate with the XLINK BT and this
one generate a dial tone and I feed a Zetron30 phone patch to the repeater.

Here the address: http://www.myxlink.com/index.aspx

 

I don’t know if this option can be good for you but I use it for standard
phone calls through a repeater and it works perfectly, all the time!!!

 

If you would like to have more technical informations, go to the VE2REY &
VA2MD forum: http://ve2rey.easyforum.fr/xlink-ict-bt-f42/

 

Best 73’

Eric VE2VXT

 

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Envoyé : 16 janvier 2010 13:23
À : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line
for repeater control?

 

  

After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about
repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. Long
story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place of having
a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?

thanks...
John wa3zgl





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[MCH]

In many cases, they charge you business class rates, so yes, Cell 
service might be significantly cheaper - especially when you consider 
any log distance charges for autopatch users.

And yes, we went to the PUC for our state - they upheld the commercial 
rate policy of the phone company.

Joe M.

Brian Raker wrote:
> I seriously doubt that you can get cellular service for cheaper than
> you can get Life-Line service from Ma Bell...
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:22 PM, JOHN  wrote:
>> After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about 
>> repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. Long 
>> story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place of having 
>> a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?
>>
>> thanks...
>> John  wa3zgl
>>
>>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[Brian Raker]

I seriously doubt that you can get cellular service for cheaper than
you can get Life-Line service from Ma Bell...

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:22 PM, JOHN  wrote:
> After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about 
> repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. Long 
> story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place of having 
> a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?
>
> thanks...
> John  wa3zgl
>
>
>
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-901-1 (mod for 902-927 MHz)

[n2mci]

Steve, I started working on a small (8 pin dip) micro that will send
Ham data to PLL.. It will be pre-programmed with a specific freq...
So think it of it as buying a xtal.. 

Hope to get back to the project soon..

-Pete


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Bade  wrote:
>
> I have not been working on that project... I do not know about Pete...
> 
> Doug
> Kd8B
> 
> 
> Steven M Hodell wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Doug / Pete,
> >  
> > Any updates on converting the Kenwood TKR-901-1 (mod for 902-927 MHz)?
> >  
> > Thank you, Steve.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Doug Bade 
> > *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:44 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[MCH]

More reliable, but from far fewer locations due to limited coverage of 
the receiver (vs a nationwide Cell network) and the mandate of having a 
440 HT or mobile on you (as opposed to a cellphone which is much 
smaller). I would also have to say the cell is more secure.

Joe M.

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
> Why not just use a 440 control receiver?
> 
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
>> JOHN wrote:
>>> After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about 
>>> repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. 
>>> Long story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place 
>>> of having a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?
>>>
>>> thanks...
>>> John  wa3zgl
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[Chuck Kelsey]

Why not just use a 440 control receiver?

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 

> JOHN wrote:
>> After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about 
>> repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. 
>> Long story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place 
>> of having a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?
>>
>> thanks...
>> John  wa3zgl

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[MCH]

Yes. But, you may have reliability issues in times of heavy traffic 
(such as bad weather, natural disasters, Etc.)

It will also be a poor choice for autopatch for the same reason.

But, it can technically be done. There are devices to connect a standard 
phone to a cellphone. I would search eBay for one.

Joe M.

JOHN wrote:
> After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about 
> repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. Long 
> story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place of having 
> a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?
> 
> thanks...
> John  wa3zgl
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[no6b]

At 1/16/2010 15:12, you wrote:
>I know its been a long time since I first posed the question on what might 
>be causing the noise we were experiencing after being hit by lightening. 
>After many trips to the Technical shop for testing, we replaced the 
>repeater ( was a vertex 5000, now a Icom ur2000) and are in process of 
>checking out controllers. The duplexers were my big worry. And yes, it 
>would seem that concern wasn't unfounded. We started experiencing a 
>degradation on the receive side of the repeater and then, a leakage from 
>the cans. We had the duplexers checked out with two different service 
>monitors and found nothing! The technician who works on duplexers took 
>ours apart and found only a little bit of carbon, but that was it. they 
>checked out ok. We put them back into service and the  noise was there 
>making communications impossible.
>We are now going to replace them with a 6 configuration instead of the 
>four we have been using.
>My question to the list is, besides the noise factor and crackling noise, 
>is there any other methode of discovering if the can's are bad or not?
>Yes, I did and have been losing sleep over this one.

We don't get much lightning out here in SoCal (now having said that we're 
due for a week of very nasty weather, so maybe time to catch up?), but of 
the few incidents I'm aware of, the lightning damaged either the antenna or 
feedline in such a way that the antenna system continued to perform well 
w.r.t. VSWR & gain, but considerable noise was generated whenever the 
antenna system was driven with RF.

My advise is to try a different antenna/feedline at the site & see if your 
desense goes away.

Bob NO6B

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[The Rices]

I have a MSF 5000 repeater for sale if someone is interested.

At this time it is programmed for GMRS. Here is some information on the 
repeater and a link to some pictures of the repeater:

Model Number -- C44CXB7106BT
Serial Number: -- 388CUY0315
Rated Power : 40 watts
Power out: Not sure but 24 watts out of the duplexer rings a bell. I will try 
to check that later.
Freq: Presently tuned for GMRS Freq of Transmit 462.625 Receive 467.625
Software re-programmable.
No key is provided since I lost mine but the lock does work. Front panel is 
open now.

Optional equipment included :

MRTI 1000 Interface
Test Set with Cable
Older Tone Remote available

Comes with the following manuals:
MSF 5000 Digital Manual
MRTI - 1000 Telephone interface

I am located 18 miles south of Melbourne Florida in Barefoot Bay, Florida 32976
I will not ship.

Willing to hook up to demonstrate the repeater and hook up the bird to show 
power out. 

Priced at $445.00 cash

Pictures of the actual repeater can be found here : http://cus2.net/temp/

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[Glenn Little WB4UIV]

Do you get the same crackling noise with the duplexer attached to a 
dummy load? a ground mounted antenna with different feedline?

73
Glenn
WB4UIV

At 06:12 PM 1/16/2010, you wrote:
>I know its been a long time since I first posed the question on what 
>might be causing the noise we were experiencing after being hit by 
>lightening. After many trips to the Technical shop for testing, we 
>replaced the repeater ( was a vertex 5000, now a Icom ur2000) and 
>are in process of checking out controllers. The duplexers were my 
>big worry. And yes, it would seem that concern wasn't unfounded. We 
>started experiencing a degradation on the receive side of the 
>repeater and then, a leakage from the cans. We had the duplexers 
>checked out with two different service monitors and found nothing! 
>The technician who works on duplexers took ours apart and found only 
>a little bit of carbon, but that was it. they checked out ok. We put 
>them back into service and the  noise was there making 
>communications impossible.
>We are now going to replace them with a 6 configuration instead of 
>the four we have been using.
>My question to the list is, besides the noise factor and crackling 
>noise, is there any other methode of discovering if the can's are bad or not?
>Yes, I did and have been losing sleep over this one.
>
>I also wish to thank Kevin and  the group for all their feedback on 
>my question I put in last summer. You helped more than you know.
>
>Rich Ranta K8JX
>www.w8usa.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[Andrew Seybold]

There are devices which are used to provide home phone services via Cell
phone service-they create their own dial-tone and "look" just like a
landline phone but you will still need a contract or at least a prepaid
account, which I believe will cost you more than a simple Landline
phone-but If you want to investigate, try Cellular and there are others.

I have a Sprint Cellular unit I will part with for $25 plus shipping if
you are interested.

Andy W6AMS

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone
line for repeater control?

 

  

After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about
repeaters. Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money.
Long story short, can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place
of having a phone line, for use in controlling the machine?

thanks...
John wa3zgl

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[Scott Zimmerman]

Since your chief complaint is noise, you need to define the noise. Noise 
in repeaters can be from MANY other sources besides duplexers. Sure your 
cans *might* be at fault, but if you're not having desense issues, I 
would not suspect them right off.

Is there anything loose on the tower? What kind of antenna are you 
using? Is it broke inside? Is anyone else at the site having noise 
issues, or just you? Is there anything loose on the tower as a result of 
the lightning? (burnt off grounds, etc.) Is there a PolyPhaser or 
similar device in the line that might be causing trouble?

Will the repeater duplex into a dummy load with no noise? If so, your 
problem is not in the repeater, interconnect cables, or duplexer. It's 
in your feedline or antenna.

Lightning can do funny things to antennas and feedline that are not 
readily visible to the eye without disassembly. Busted antennas can 
cause noise VERY easily. (for obvious reasons)

If it *will* duplex into a dummy load without noise, take a dummy load 
to the top of the tower and see if it duplexes OK in that configuration. 
If it works with the load in place, your looking at a busted antenna or 
loose, broken, cracked tower hardware or grounds.

Good luck,
Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Road
Boswell, PA 15531


Richard wrote:
> I know its been a long time since I first posed the question on what might be 
> causing the noise we were experiencing after being hit by lightening. After 
> many trips to the Technical shop for testing, we replaced the repeater ( was 
> a vertex 5000, now a Icom ur2000) and are in process of checking out 
> controllers. The duplexers were my big worry. And yes, it would seem that 
> concern wasn't unfounded. We started experiencing a degradation on the 
> receive side of the repeater and then, a leakage from the cans. We had the 
> duplexers checked out with two different service monitors and found nothing! 
> The technician who works on duplexers took ours apart and found only a little 
> bit of carbon, but that was it. they checked out ok. We put them back into 
> service and the  noise was there making communications impossible.
> We are now going to replace them with a 6 configuration instead of the four 
> we have been using. 
> My question to the list is, besides the noise factor and crackling noise, is 
> there any other methode of discovering if the can's are bad or not?
> Yes, I did and have been losing sleep over this one. 
> 
> I also wish to thank Kevin and  the group for all their feedback on my 
> question I put in last summer. You helped more than you know.
> 
> Rich Ranta K8JX
> www.w8usa.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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> 19:35:00
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[Joe]

I bought a set of cans that took a lightning hit years ago on my 2 meter 
repeater.  They are older Phelps Dodge cans.  The finger stock was OK, 
but the tuning rod had arched.  I retuned the low pass cans to high pass 
and vice versa.  They have worked fine ever since, but I do run them at 
low power, 50 watts.   You might try the same thing.

73, Joe, K1ike

Richard wrote:
> My question to the list is, besides the noise factor and crackling noise, is 
> there any other methode of discovering if the can's are bad or not?
> Yes, I did and have been losing sleep over this one. 
>   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[Matthew Kaufman]

Are these pass-reject cans with capacitors that might have been damaged?

Matthew Kaufman

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[James Cicirello]

Rich, you didn't mention the antenna, cable and jumpers. What did you do
there?

JIM

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Richard  wrote:

>
>
> I know its been a long time since I first posed the question on what might
> be causing the noise we were experiencing after being hit by lightening.
> After many trips to the Technical shop for testing, we replaced the repeater
> ( was a vertex 5000, now a Icom ur2000) and are in process of checking out
> controllers. The duplexers were my big worry. And yes, it would seem that
> concern wasn't unfounded. We started experiencing a degradation on the
> receive side of the repeater and then, a leakage from the cans. We had the
> duplexers checked out with two different service monitors and found nothing!
> The technician who works on duplexers took ours apart and found only a
> little bit of carbon, but that was it. they checked out ok. We put them back
> into service and the noise was there making communications impossible.
> We are now going to replace them with a 6 configuration instead of the four
> we have been using.
> My question to the list is, besides the noise factor and crackling noise,
> is there any other methode of discovering if the can's are bad or not?
> Yes, I did and have been losing sleep over this one.
>
> I also wish to thank Kevin and the group for all their feedback on my
> question I put in last summer. You helped more than you know.
>
> Rich Ranta K8JX
> www.w8usa.org
>
>  
>



-- 
Jim Cicirello
181 Stevens Street
Wellsville, N.Y. 14895
(585)593-4655

[Repeater-Builder] RE: follow up on lightening strike last spring

[Richard]

I know its been a long time since I first posed the question on what might be 
causing the noise we were experiencing after being hit by lightening. After 
many trips to the Technical shop for testing, we replaced the repeater ( was a 
vertex 5000, now a Icom ur2000) and are in process of checking out controllers. 
The duplexers were my big worry. And yes, it would seem that concern wasn't 
unfounded. We started experiencing a degradation on the receive side of the 
repeater and then, a leakage from the cans. We had the duplexers checked out 
with two different service monitors and found nothing! The technician who works 
on duplexers took ours apart and found only a little bit of carbon, but that 
was it. they checked out ok. We put them back into service and the  noise was 
there making communications impossible.
We are now going to replace them with a 6 configuration instead of the four we 
have been using. 
My question to the list is, besides the noise factor and crackling noise, is 
there any other methode of discovering if the can's are bad or not?
Yes, I did and have been losing sleep over this one. 

I also wish to thank Kevin and  the group for all their feedback on my question 
I put in last summer. You helped more than you know.

Rich Ranta K8JX
www.w8usa.org

[Repeater-Builder] Can a cell phone be used instead of a phone line for repeater control?

[JOHN]

After reading the subject you probably realized I know nothing about repeaters. 
Our club has an issue with the phone line, that being money. Long story short, 
can a cell phone be hooked up to a repeater, in place of having a phone line, 
for use in controlling the machine?

thanks...
John  wa3zgl

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-901-1 (mod for 902-927 MHz)

[Doug Bade]

I have not been working on that project... I do not know about Pete...

Doug
Kd8B


Steven M Hodell wrote:
>  
>
> Doug / Pete,
>  
> Any updates on converting the Kenwood TKR-901-1 (mod for 902-927 MHz)?
>  
> Thank you, Steve.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Doug Bade 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller
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[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-901-1 (mod for 902-927 MHz)

[Steven M Hodell]

Doug / Pete,

Any updates on converting the Kenwood TKR-901-1 (mod for 902-927 MHz)?

Thank you, Steve.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Doug Bade 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

[David Struebel]

This has already been done, google "Echostation."

73 Dave WB2FTX
  - Original Message - 
  From: Al Wolfe 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:54 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller



  The other day some of us were discussing replacing the controller in one 
  of our local repeaters. It is presently an NRHC-4. While throwing ideas 
  around someone suggested why not just use an old PC and sound card. Then we 
  could add bells and whistles as needed. This got us to thinking that maybe 
  this might be a good idea. Then someone said why reinvent the wheel. Why not 
  see what others have done first. So, I'm asking what are your experiences 
  with this concept? What programs are available? Other than some stability 
  issues with Windoz, what are the pitfalls?

  Thanks,
  Al, K9SI 



  


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

[Doug Bade]

Tim;
Driver support in Allstar Link is there for CM108 and CM119 devices... 
Most of the USB sound fobs that specify Surround sound 7.1 are based on 
these chips or a ss part number chip. Most of the vendors are specifying 
the chipset in sound fob auctions as it is important.. I did not have a 
great deal of success rolling my own sound fob so I decided to use the 
URI devices as it is a modified CM108 sound fob on steroids... Obviously 
cost is an issue but in my case it outweighed the aggravation factor of 
doing microsurgery on the fob. There is discussion of the modified fob 
process on one or more of the app_rpt distro's web sites... here is a link



I beleive this would be a suitable device...the auction number is 
320459478011

It is CM119 based.. Either the CM108 chipset or CM119 chipset is suitable...

Doug
KD8B

Tim Herron wrote:
 
Doug,
 
Which ebay sound interface do you recommend for app_rpt, and is there 
a good site showing the mods necessary for the conversion of said usb 
device?

Tim


 
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Doug Bade > wrote:


 


Al;
You may want to look into the Allstar Link project or similar that
are based on Asterisk as the core system. A $10 sound interface
from ebay can be used  as the "controller" in connection with a
receiver, transmitter and a PC running the sw which can be
downloaded as a self installing ISO CDrom image..It does run Linux
as the core... it also provides international linking capacity
besides repeater functions.

I currently use Intel Atom 330 based motherboards for the site
computer.. and it will run 4 repeaters with 4 usb sound interfaces
at once..  IF you go the expensive route.. you can buy a prebuilt
interface device called a URI from a company called DMK
Engineering ( ham pricing available) .. sub $100 each.. and have 5
wires to connect to the tx and rx to make a repeater... that will
connect in the exact same places most repeaters use for any other
analog controller.. I use rack mount Supermicro atom 330 based
board kit *Item #: *N82E16816101262 from Newegg.. at $279.00  plus
1GB Ram plus HD plus a URI... will be less than $500.00 out the
door and you can add 3 more URI's to link ( or not as they are
each standalone) 3 more repeaters or remote bases ( yes you can
hook up most any HF radio with remote control ) which can be
controlled by the users...  for just the cost of the URI's as the
sw will support many repeaters.. limited by the DSP audio
streaming/ processing of the motherboard as USB Sound devices
transfer DSP largely to the OS.. CPU Load goes up with each
additional repeater..I currently run 3 machines for 3 different
clubs on one Computer at the site... This sw has connection
capability to Echlink as well as IRLP besides the AllStar Link
network.. BTW any computer with USB and ethernet, in the P4 or
better realm can easily run 4 or more URI's...
I CHOOSE to use1u rackmounts at the site.. so pay a little premium
to do that..

There is also a UK ham, Jonathan G4KLX, who has coded a software
package to use these same URI devices as well as several other
sound interfaces called "pcrepeatercontroller" it is it's own
yahoogroup.. He makes both windows and linux distributions of the
application. Windows is fairly easy to set up.. Linux is more
"standard" for internet linked systems but is harder to set up
with his stuff at this time ( If you are Linux centric it helps a
lot) ..I have written a howto for installing and building the
software on CentOS 5.4 that is fairly 101 level ...  Jonathan also
writes a DStar repeater version that converts a FM modulated radio
( 9600 Packet ready) or Eq into a standalone Dstar repeater (
needs 2 radios to repeat :-) )

I am currently setting up and testing a DStar  URI based
installation on my Mastr III UHF station.. which came from 403-430
and I moved to 440-450... Mastr II stations with FM modulators
probably will do equally well as that was the platform in Mastr II
for EDACS which was a waveform very similar to Dstar... albeit
9600 baud instead of DStar 4800.. I will be working on documenting
that down the road.. but want to get my MIII running first..It is
converted.. just need to connect the URI. I am analyzing and
deciding where to connect as MIII is a little more complex then
MII :-)

Jonathan, the author, has an item on his todo list to merge the 2
apps onto one so it would be a dual mode analog and Dstar
repeater... both apps launch at the click of a mouse... just one
at a time now.. the same connections are shared for both..  He is
also working with the DStar network guys and can connect his
repeater software based box's to other Dstar repeaters and
gateways through the open source netwo

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

[Tim Herron]

Doug,

Which ebay sound interface do you recommend for app_rpt, and is there a good
site showing the mods necessary for the conversion of said usb device?
Tim



On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Doug Bade  wrote:

>
>
> Al;
> You may want to look into the Allstar Link project or similar that are
> based on Asterisk as the core system. A $10 sound interface from ebay can be
> used  as the "controller" in connection with a receiver, transmitter and a
> PC running the sw which can be downloaded as a self installing ISO CDrom
> image..It does run Linux as the core... it also provides international
> linking capacity besides repeater functions.
>
> I currently use Intel Atom 330 based motherboards for the site computer..
> and it will run 4 repeaters with 4 usb sound interfaces at once..  IF you go
> the expensive route.. you can buy a prebuilt interface device called a URI
> from a company called DMK Engineering ( ham pricing available) .. sub $100
> each.. and have 5 wires to connect to the tx and rx to make a repeater...
> that will connect in the exact same places most repeaters use for any other
> analog controller.. I use rack mount Supermicro atom 330 based board kit *Item
> #: *N82E16816101262 from Newegg.. at $279.00  plus 1GB Ram plus HD plus a
> URI... will be less than $500.00 out the door and you can add 3 more URI's
> to link ( or not as they are each standalone) 3 more repeaters or remote
> bases ( yes you can hook up most any HF radio with remote control ) which
> can be controlled by the users...  for just the cost of the URI's as the sw
> will support many repeaters.. limited by the DSP audio streaming/ processing
> of the motherboard as USB Sound devices transfer DSP largely to the OS.. CPU
> Load goes up with each additional repeater..I currently run 3 machines for 3
> different clubs on one Computer at the site... This sw has connection
> capability to Echlink as well as IRLP besides the AllStar Link network.. BTW
> any computer with USB and ethernet, in the P4 or better realm can easily run
> 4 or more URI's...
> I CHOOSE to use1u rackmounts at the site.. so pay a little premium to do
> that..
>
> There is also a UK ham, Jonathan G4KLX, who has coded a software package to
> use these same URI devices as well as several other sound interfaces called
> "pcrepeatercontroller" it is it's own yahoogroup.. He makes both windows and
> linux distributions of the application. Windows is fairly easy to set up..
> Linux is more "standard" for internet linked systems but is harder to set up
> with his stuff at this time ( If you are Linux centric it helps a lot) ..I
> have written a howto for installing and building the software on CentOS 5.4
> that is fairly 101 level ...  Jonathan also writes a DStar repeater version
> that converts a FM modulated radio ( 9600 Packet ready) or Eq into a
> standalone Dstar repeater ( needs 2 radios to repeat :-) )
>
> I am currently setting up and testing a DStar  URI based installation on my
> Mastr III UHF station.. which came from 403-430 and I moved to 440-450...
> Mastr II stations with FM modulators probably will do equally well as that
> was the platform in Mastr II for EDACS which was a waveform very similar to
> Dstar... albeit 9600 baud instead of DStar 4800.. I will be working on
> documenting that down the road.. but want to get my MIII running first..It
> is converted.. just need to connect the URI. I am analyzing and deciding
> where to connect as MIII is a little more complex then MII :-)
>
> Jonathan, the author, has an item on his todo list to merge the 2 apps onto
> one so it would be a dual mode analog and Dstar repeater... both apps launch
> at the click of a mouse... just one at a time now.. the same connections are
> shared for both..  He is also working with the DStar network guys and can
> connect his repeater software based box's to other Dstar repeaters and
> gateways through the open source network stuff currently being built...
>
>
> Doug
> KD8B
>
>
>
> Al Wolfe wrote:
>
>
>
> The other day some of us were discussing replacing the controller in one
> of our local repeaters. It is presently an NRHC-4. While throwing ideas
> around someone suggested why not just use an old PC and sound card. Then we
>
> could add bells and whistles as needed. This got us to thinking that maybe
> this might be a good idea. Then someone said why reinvent the wheel. Why
> not
> see what others have done first. So, I'm asking what are your experiences
> with this concept? What programs are available? Other than some stability
> issues with Windoz, what are the pitfalls?
>
> Thanks,
> Al, K9SI
>
>
>  
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 2-Meters?

[Chuck Kelsey]

Probably this:

http://www.ka4bni.com/DB-224_Ham_Band.htm

Chuck
WB2EDV




- Original Message - 
From: "larryjspamme...@teleport.com" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:40 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 
2-Meters?


> Several years ago, I found an article on the internet about converting the 
> typical 150-174 MHz folded-dipole VHF antennas to 2-Meters. The article 
> had each folded dipole element electrically "lengthened" by drilling a 
> hole at the bottom and the top of each aluminum tubing element, and 
> mounting a small bolt and nut - thus lengthening the overall electrical 
> length of the element and lowering the resonant frequency. Possibly the 
> coax harness was also rebuilt. The article I'm thinking of had nice color 
> pictures and was a very well done web page article.
>
> I haven't been able to find this article, using Google and using the terms 
> that I thought would be a good match. Does anyone remember this article 
> and know what the url might be?
>
> These antennas often pop up surplus for cheap (often free), and they're 
> very stout. I see in the catalogs that some versions are rated at 120 MPH 
> wind velocity, and have a 6-year warranty! I've just been given one, too, 
> and it appears to be almost brand-new. It would be a shame to just send it 
> to the metal recyclers when I know there have been good conversion 
> articles.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Larry
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

[Doug Bade]

Al;
You may want to look into the Allstar Link project or similar that are 
based on Asterisk as the core system. A $10 sound interface from ebay 
can be used  as the "controller" in connection with a receiver, 
transmitter and a PC running the sw which can be downloaded as a self 
installing ISO CDrom image..It does run Linux as the core... it also 
provides international linking capacity besides repeater functions.


I currently use Intel Atom 330 based motherboards for the site 
computer.. and it will run 4 repeaters with 4 usb sound interfaces at 
once..  IF you go the expensive route.. you can buy a prebuilt interface 
device called a URI from a company called DMK Engineering ( ham pricing 
available) .. sub $100 each.. and have 5 wires to connect to the tx and 
rx to make a repeater... that will connect in the exact same places most 
repeaters use for any other analog controller.. I use rack mount 
Supermicro atom 330 based board kit *Item #: *N82E16816101262 from 
Newegg.. at $279.00  plus 1GB Ram plus HD plus a URI... will be less 
than $500.00 out the door and you can add 3 more URI's to link ( or not 
as they are each standalone) 3 more repeaters or remote bases ( yes you 
can hook up most any HF radio with remote control ) which can be 
controlled by the users...  for just the cost of the URI's as the sw 
will support many repeaters.. limited by the DSP audio streaming/ 
processing of the motherboard as USB Sound devices transfer DSP largely 
to the OS.. CPU Load goes up with each additional repeater..I currently 
run 3 machines for 3 different clubs on one Computer at the site... This 
sw has connection capability to Echlink as well as IRLP besides the 
AllStar Link network.. BTW any computer with USB and ethernet, in the P4 
or better realm can easily run 4 or more URI's...
I CHOOSE to use1u rackmounts at the site.. so pay a little premium to do 
that..


There is also a UK ham, Jonathan G4KLX, who has coded a software package 
to use these same URI devices as well as several other sound interfaces 
called "pcrepeatercontroller" it is it's own yahoogroup.. He makes both 
windows and linux distributions of the application. Windows is fairly 
easy to set up.. Linux is more "standard" for internet linked systems 
but is harder to set up with his stuff at this time ( If you are Linux 
centric it helps a lot) ..I have written a howto for installing and 
building the software on CentOS 5.4 that is fairly 101 level ...  
Jonathan also writes a DStar repeater version that converts a FM 
modulated radio ( 9600 Packet ready) or Eq into a standalone Dstar 
repeater ( needs 2 radios to repeat :-) )


I am currently setting up and testing a DStar  URI based installation on 
my Mastr III UHF station.. which came from 403-430 and I moved to 
440-450... Mastr II stations with FM modulators probably will do equally 
well as that was the platform in Mastr II for EDACS which was a waveform 
very similar to Dstar... albeit 9600 baud instead of DStar 4800.. I will 
be working on documenting that down the road.. but want to get my MIII 
running first..It is converted.. just need to connect the URI. I am 
analyzing and deciding where to connect as MIII is a little more complex 
then MII :-)


Jonathan, the author, has an item on his todo list to merge the 2 apps 
onto one so it would be a dual mode analog and Dstar repeater... both 
apps launch at the click of a mouse... just one at a time now.. the same 
connections are shared for both..  He is also working with the DStar 
network guys and can connect his repeater software based box's to other 
Dstar repeaters and gateways through the open source network stuff 
currently being built...



Doug
KD8B


Al Wolfe wrote:
 


The other day some of us were discussing replacing the controller in one
of our local repeaters. It is presently an NRHC-4. While throwing ideas
around someone suggested why not just use an old PC and sound card. 
Then we
could add bells and whistles as needed. This got us to thinking that 
maybe
this might be a good idea. Then someone said why reinvent the wheel. 
Why not

see what others have done first. So, I'm asking what are your experiences
with this concept? What programs are available? Other than some stability
issues with Windoz, what are the pitfalls?

Thanks,
Al, K9SI

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

[Chris Robinson]

I have used echstation for a low level crossband repeater from the house. it
worked great for my needs. It will do a few things that are desired.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Al Wolfe  wrote:

>
>
> The other day some of us were discussing replacing the controller in one
> of our local repeaters. It is presently an NRHC-4. While throwing ideas
> around someone suggested why not just use an old PC and sound card. Then we
>
> could add bells and whistles as needed. This got us to thinking that maybe
> this might be a good idea. Then someone said why reinvent the wheel. Why
> not
> see what others have done first. So, I'm asking what are your experiences
> with this concept? What programs are available? Other than some stability
> issues with Windoz, what are the pitfalls?
>
> Thanks,
> Al, K9SI
>
>  
>

[Repeater-Builder] PC for controller

[Al Wolfe]

The other day some of us were discussing replacing the controller in one 
of our local repeaters. It is presently an NRHC-4. While throwing ideas 
around someone suggested why not just use an old PC and sound card. Then we 
could add bells and whistles as needed. This got us to thinking that maybe 
this might be a good idea. Then someone said why reinvent the wheel. Why not 
see what others have done first. So, I'm asking what are your experiences 
with this concept? What programs are available? Other than some stability 
issues with Windoz, what are the pitfalls?

Thanks,
Al, K9SI 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 2-Meters?

[allan crites]

Jim
There is no doubt in my mind that you have been able to improve the performance 
of a 150-160 MHz DB224 in the 2M band with your mods and I have read of your 
efforts several times in the past, however the additions I have suggested and 
have developed, do not in any way involve changes to or modifications of the 
harness but creates a method to simply ADD TO the harness at the feed point 
connector, a simple and straight forward impedance matching transmission line 
and/or stub to obtain the desired results. No modification to or of the 
existing harness or of the dipoles is required.

 
Allan Crites  WA9ZZU
 

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Jim Brown  wrote:


From: Jim Brown 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 
2-Meters?
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 6:38 AM


  







I have converted quite a few DB-224 antennas that were originally used in the 
155 mHz range down to the 146 mHz range by adding a folded aluminum tubing stub 
to the top and bottom of each element.  Using the folded tubing from a defunct 
TV antenna I flatten about 3 inches on one end and then wrap it around the top 
and bottom loops of the antenna.  A hole drilled through the flattened metal 
allows a screw and nut to be used to clamp the stub to the element.  There is 
no dissimulator metal problem with this aluminum to aluminum connection.

After installation I cut the length of the stub to 2 inches.  This has brought 
every antenna I have modified down to the 146 center frequency without having 
to modify the harness.  SWR is not perfect without the harness mod, but is sure 
a lot less trouble. These antennas are perfectly usable with no modification at 
all in the ham band, but an improvement in the SWR can be had with this simple 
mod.

This mod has been discussed on this forum several times.

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, larryjspammenot@ teleport. com  
wrote:


From: larryjspammenot@ teleport. com 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 
2-Meters?
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:40 PM


  

Several years ago, I found an article on the internet about converting the 
typical 150-174 MHz folded-dipole VHF antennas to 2-Meters. The article had 
each folded dipole element electrically "lengthened" by drilling a hole at the 
bottom and the top of each aluminum tubing element, and mounting a small bolt 
and nut - thus lengthening the overall electrical length of the element and 
lowering the resonant frequency. Possibly the coax harness was also rebuilt. 
The article I'm thinking of had nice color pictures and was a very well done 
web page article.

I haven't been able to find this article, using Google and using the terms that 
I thought would be a good match. Does anyone remember this article and know 
what the url might be?

These antennas often pop up surplus for cheap (often free), and they're very 
stout. I see in the catalogs that some versions are rated at 120 MPH wind 
velocity, and have a 6-year warranty! I've just been given one, too, and it 
appears to be almost brand-new. It would be a shame to just send it to the 
metal recyclers when I know there have been good conversion articles. 

Thanks and 73,
Larry

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 2-Meters?

[Jim Brown]

I have converted quite a few DB-224 antennas that were originally used in the 
155 mHz range down to the 146 mHz range by adding a folded aluminum tubing stub 
to the top and bottom of each element.  Using the folded tubing from a defunct 
TV antenna I flatten about 3 inches on one end and then wrap it around the top 
and bottom loops of the antenna.  A hole drilled through the flattened metal 
allows a screw and nut to be used to clamp the stub to the element.  There is 
no dissimulator metal problem with this aluminum to aluminum connection.

After installation I cut the length of the stub to 2 inches.  This has brought 
every antenna I have modified down to the 146 center frequency without having 
to modify the harness.  SWR is not perfect without the harness mod, but is sure 
a lot less trouble. These antennas are perfectly usable with no modification at 
all in the ham band, but an improvement in the SWR can be had with this simple 
mod.

This mod has been discussed on this forum several times.

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, larryjspamme...@teleport.com  wrote:

From: larryjspamme...@teleport.com 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Celwave/Sinclair, etc. antenna conversion to 
2-Meters?
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:40 PM







 



  



  
  
  Several years ago, I found an article on the internet about converting 
the typical 150-174 MHz folded-dipole VHF antennas to 2-Meters. The article had 
each folded dipole element electrically "lengthened" by drilling a hole at the 
bottom and the top of each aluminum tubing element, and mounting a small bolt 
and nut - thus lengthening the overall electrical length of the element and 
lowering the resonant frequency. Possibly the coax harness was also rebuilt. 
The article I'm thinking of had nice color pictures and was a very well done 
web page article.



I haven't been able to find this article, using Google and using the terms that 
I thought would be a good match. Does anyone remember this article and know 
what the url might be?



These antennas often pop up surplus for cheap (often free), and they're very 
stout. I see in the catalogs that some versions are rated at 120 MPH wind 
velocity, and have a 6-year warranty! I've just been given one, too, and it 
appears to be almost brand-new. It would be a shame to just send it to the 
metal recyclers when I know there have been good conversion articles. 



Thanks and 73,

Larry