RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [Repeaters] Looking for HD 440 Yagi

[Jeff DePolo]

I'll echo most of Dave's comments, and add a few... 

> The MYA's tend to have finicky tuning, and I've never seen one sweep 
> correctly out of the box. Close enough probably, but not optimized 
> either. The BMOY's are broad band, with one model covering 406-440 
> MHz and another from 440-480 MHz.

Maxrad stopped making the MYA antenna that I used a lot - MYA43012 - 12
elements, 430-450 MHz.  Now you can only get the 12 element model in 450-470
range :-(  I never had much problem tuning up the MYA yagis, but as Dave
said, they usually weren't tuned well out of the box.  Sealing up the
connector is a PITA; I always removed the rear (reflector) element,
removed/loosened the hardware to allow the feed to be slid to the rear of
the boom, and then proceeded to put my jumper on it and seal it up right
before sliding it back into position and tuning it.

I'm now buying Sinclair SY307 series and Comprod 430-70 yagis (7 element, 10
dBd each, very close to being clones of each other) at about $140 each.
Have about a dozen in service and more in stock for upcoming projects.  My
only complaint thus far is that they seem to not be consistant on what kind
of connector is on the end of the pigtail - some came with N males, some
with N females - picky picky.

The Antennex gamma-fed UHF yagis are real dogs.  The tuning is extremely
touchy.  Minor changes in placement of the jumper/feedline throw the tuning
all over the place, and slight changes in distance from the mast and/or
changing polarization will require retuning.  The Sinclairs and Comprods are
mostly immune to detuning in that regard, and always sweep well across the
entire spec'ed range.  I bought four of the 12-element models (two silver,
two gold) when I found out I couldn't get the Maxrads any more, and they're
still sitting in the warehouse, I wasn't happy with them after I tested
them.

I, too, had/have a lot of the old Larsen's in operation (5 and 8 element),
but they don't make the ham splits any more.  Although they aren't built as
rugged as some of the others mentioned, they've held up pretty well.  I just
took down two of the 8-element models that had been up on a mountain for
about 15 years and, aside from a couple of bent elements from falling ice,
had held up pretty well.  I replaced them becuase a) they were getting old
and beat up, and b) I wanted to replace the feedline runs anyway so I
figured I may as well swap out antennas at the same time, one less 200+ mile
trip and tower climb to make in the future.  I still have four of them at a
site that have been up for just about 20 years now and they're still
working.

--- Jeff WN3A

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212 questions

[n5sxq.0]

tune the system for the transmitt freq. But don't be too surprised when the rx 
looks decient also!
Jeff /n5sxq
 Chuck Kelsey  wrote: 
> Keep the transmitter happy is my opinion.
> 
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "N8FWD" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:00 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212 questions
> 
> 
> >I have a set of DB-212 that each one is set for six meters.I want to build 
> >the harness next for the two and wanted to know should I set the SWR for 
> >the tx side or the rx side or should it be set for in between the two? 
> >Thanks Mike N8FWD
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [Repeaters] Looking for HD 440 Yagi

[Matthew Kaufman]

M2 makes one that I used before switching to microwave IP links

Matthew Kaufman

(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 1, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Dave Karr  wrote:

> At 05:33 PM 7/1/2010, DW wrote:
>> Larsen used to make a heavy duty yagi in the 430-450 MHz range
>> (+11dBi ) for under $100.00.
>> They still make the YA34xxYN series, but they don't list the ham
>> split in the latest catalog.
>> I need it for a control link from my repeater site (high winds,  
>> ice, etc..).
>>
>> Does anyone know of a decent 440 yagi that is still being  
>> manufactured?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David, AC4JF
>
> I've been specifying the PcTel (Maxrad) BMOY series antennas for
> installation in a system where they had been using the MYA
> series.  The MYA has an exposed gamma match, which I'm not thrilled
> about, and is very time consuming to tape up the RF connection, and
> thus generally not done correctly...but there are ~100 of those in
> use for about 9 years now without any specific antenna failures that
> I'm aware of.
>
> The BMOY series antenna places the N connector on the rear of the
> boom, and the driven element matching is internal to the
> antenna.  Sealing the antenna connection is very easy.  There are
> about 70 more BMOY series antennas in use in this same system for
> about 7 years now, and again I've not heard of any failures, though
> on one that I had been using for DFing interference, I did manage to
> crack off the driven element base insulator.  In DF use, I did notice
> that the 5 element BMOY's pattern wasn't as clean as an old 5 element
> Decibel Products antenna I also had on hand.
>
> The MYA's tend to have finicky tuning, and I've never seen one sweep
> correctly out of the box.  Close enough probably, but not optimized
> either.  The BMOY's are broad band, with one model covering 406-440
> MHz and another from 440-480 MHz.
>
> At cost, they are a good value, with a BMOY4405 going for about $100.
>
>
> There are better, and correspondingly more expensive, antennas, but
> this is one that I've used that's proven to be a good value.
>
>
> I'm interested in hearing others comments on this topic as well.
>
>
> --Dave / KA9FUR
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: [Repeaters] Looking for HD 440 Yagi

[Dave Karr]

At 05:33 PM 7/1/2010, DW wrote:
>Larsen used to make a heavy duty yagi in the 430-450 MHz range
>(+11dBi ) for under $100.00.
>They still make the YA34xxYN series, but they don't list the ham
>split in the latest catalog.
>I need it for a control link from my repeater site (high winds, ice, etc..).
>
>Does anyone know of a decent 440 yagi that is still being manufactured?
>
>Thanks,
>David, AC4JF

I've been specifying the PcTel (Maxrad) BMOY series antennas for 
installation in a system where they had been using the MYA 
series.  The MYA has an exposed gamma match, which I'm not thrilled 
about, and is very time consuming to tape up the RF connection, and 
thus generally not done correctly...but there are ~100 of those in 
use for about 9 years now without any specific antenna failures that 
I'm aware of.

The BMOY series antenna places the N connector on the rear of the 
boom, and the driven element matching is internal to the 
antenna.  Sealing the antenna connection is very easy.  There are 
about 70 more BMOY series antennas in use in this same system for 
about 7 years now, and again I've not heard of any failures, though 
on one that I had been using for DFing interference, I did manage to 
crack off the driven element base insulator.  In DF use, I did notice 
that the 5 element BMOY's pattern wasn't as clean as an old 5 element 
Decibel Products antenna I also had on hand.

The MYA's tend to have finicky tuning, and I've never seen one sweep 
correctly out of the box.  Close enough probably, but not optimized 
either.  The BMOY's are broad band, with one model covering 406-440 
MHz and another from 440-480 MHz.

At cost, they are a good value, with a BMOY4405 going for about $100.


There are better, and correspondingly more expensive, antennas, but 
this is one that I've used that's proven to be a good value.


I'm interested in hearing others comments on this topic as well.


--Dave / KA9FUR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Chuck Kraly]

Actually that is another Russian site, and they have always been notorious
for placing the RSS/CPS out there

Chuck K0CMK

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:44 PM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> Ran across this website
>
> http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
>
> Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious
> guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's
> Software License Agreement is big and scary..
>
> Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting
> RSS for the general public?
>
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Chester Brown]

Since they don't sell it anymore I doubt they would use the legal department
to go after anyone, BUT send a radio to depot for repair with the software
on it and oops .. Just my thoughts

Chester

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:38 PM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Jeff! I am curious though - if the RSS is similar to Computer
> applications (I know the RSS *IS* software) but if its obsolete, a lot of
> software vendors don't mind if the obsolete software goes public / freeware.
> Even if it was made Open Source and people could configure it to work with
> any similar Motorola radio (If possible), would Motorola get upset about
> stuff like that happening with their licensed software?
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jeff Ackerman 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution
>
>
>
> Yeah, thats what i assume since they have not been taken off, and they
> mainly have all the old dos stuff.  But i am well aware of the motorola
> software licience agreement policy as well, since i work for a motorola
> dealer too.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, La Rue Communications  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> So Motorola wont go ofter these people since they are based in another
>> country? Glad to hear they have been around a while - just didnt want any
>> legal crap with the "Big Bat" :-)
>>
>> John Hymes
>> La Rue Communications
>> 10 S. Aurora Street
>> Stockton, CA 95202
>> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jeff Ackerman 
>> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:05 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution
>>
>>
>>
>> That site has been around for along time, it used to be under another
>> domain *www.ham.dmz.ro*, which now points to that new domain.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications <
>> laruec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ran across this website
>>>
>>> http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
>>>
>>> Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the
>>> cautious guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how
>>> Motorola's Software License Agreement is big and scary..
>>>
>>> Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by
>>> posting RSS for the general public?
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Comments?
>>>
>>> Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
>>>
>>> John Hymes
>>> La Rue Communications
>>> 10 S. Aurora Street
>>> Stockton, CA 95202
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>>>
>>
>>
>   
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212 questions

[Chuck Kelsey]

Keep the transmitter happy is my opinion.

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: "N8FWD" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212 questions


>I have a set of DB-212 that each one is set for six meters.I want to build 
>the harness next for the two and wanted to know should I set the SWR for 
>the tx side or the rx side or should it be set for in between the two? 
>Thanks Mike N8FWD
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>






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[Repeater-Builder] DB-212 questions

[N8FWD]

I have a set of DB-212 that each one is set for six meters.I want to build the 
harness next for the two and wanted to know should I set the SWR for the tx 
side or the rx side or should it be set for in between the two? Thanks Mike 
N8FWD

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Eric Lemmon]

John,

While I cannot speak for Motorola, it is clear that Motorola's first
priority is to protect the copyright of current software.  On one
programming-oriented site, there is no end of idiots who post messages like,
"Can anyone send me a copy of the latest software for the XTS5000?"  And
there are idiots who respond with something like, "Contact me off-list," or
"Check your PM."  I doubt that Motorola will send out the legal beagles to
collar someone who offers RSS for the SP50 or GM300, but I think that anyone
who openly offers pirate RSS or CPS that is still being licensed and sold is
asking for serious trouble.  Big time.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of La Rue Communications
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:45 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution

  

Ran across this website
 
http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
 
 
Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious
guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's
Software License Agreement is big and scary..
 
Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting
RSS for the general public?
 
Thoughts? Comments?
 
Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
 
John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] tone panel deal of the moment

[Don Kupferschmidt]

I've got one of these brand new, circa 1990's, in a box somewhere in the 
basement.  I remember paying around $300.00 for it.  I intended to use it on my 
system but never got around to putting it into use.

Someone's going to get a good deal.

Don, KD9PT


  - Original Message - 
  From: skipp025 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 4:48 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] tone panel deal of the moment



  If you have any interest in playing with a Repeater CTCSS 
  "Tone Panel"... here's the deal of the moment. 

  Ebay Item 220627865813 
  COM SPEC REPETER TONE PANEL 

  Starting bid: US $20.00

  If nothing else you could tack it onto the disc (in some 
  cases even the low level recorder) output of your scanner 
  for a visual of the tone in use. 

  Hope someone gets the great deal... 

  s. 

  And no, I don't have anything to do with the auction... I'd buy this 
  auction if I didn't already have one (actually more than one) of 
  these units. 



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[La Rue Communications]

Makes sense! Thanks Jeff! :-)

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Ackerman 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution



  One other thing is hams already modify there RSS to suite there needs, mainly 
speaking of the 900 mhz rss for GTX's, MTX9000's and so forth.  But alot of 
these hams that have this modified software are very reluctant to let it go 
wild out on the net for fear of the big M cracking the whip, therefor its all 
kept in a tight group, but in some cases its not.  



  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Kris Kirby  wrote:

  

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, La Rue Communications wrote:
> Thanks Jeff! I am curious though - if the RSS is similar to Computer 
> applications (I know the RSS *IS* software) but if its obsolete, a lot 
> of software vendors don't mind if the obsolete software goes public / 
> freeware. Even if it was made Open Source and people could configure 
> it to work with any similar Motorola radio (If possible), would 
> Motorola get upset about stuff like that happening with their licensed 
> software?


Motorola will sue you into bankruptcy if you cross them. However, they 
have larger problems. Remember that they are selling radios that cost 
$1500+ to every agency under the sun because of the narrow-banding that 
is coming up in a few years. The secondary markets of the existing 
"wideband" radios will be legal Part 90 users who do not want to pay for 
the new radios, and can afford the filter and frequency 
standard replacement as well as the tech's time on the bench to make 
sure the radio is within spec. On top of those factors, many of the 
radios weren't made to deal with the splinter frequencies which will be 
used in increasing numbers in the future. 

I suppose if one was bright and wanted to hedge a few bets, one could 
buy up a large number of Maxtracs, have them sent to China, install new 
timebases and filters, check them there cheaply, then send them back to 
the US and have them checked again, programmed, and sold to the other 
Part 90 users. Or one could have 900MHz Maxtracs turned into 450MHz 
Maxtracs, keep the 2.5KHz deviation, and use HearClear. That would be 
fundamentally changing the operation of the radio and might involve 
learning 68HC11 microprocessors and reverse engineering the radio. But 
those costs are cheaper in China, where the choice is "do I want to eat 
today?" versus "Do I want to eat next week?" or "I still have four 
months before they foreclose."

Of course, the growing dependence on CODECs to achieve bandwidth savings 
in digital radio sets an artificial obsolescence point in the lifetime of 
the radio. As long as the FCC and industry keeps thinking they can 
squeeze blood from a turnip, two-way radio will see smaller allocations 
and the Big Five telecom players will enjoy allocations in the 
multi-megahertz.

But Motorola plays in that market too.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
Disinformation Analyst




  -- 
  Jeff Ackerman
  Peninsula Communications
  6 Rossi Circle, Suite C
  Salinas, Ca 93907
  j...@peninsulacom.com


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Jeff Ackerman]

One other thing is hams already modify there RSS to suite there needs,
mainly speaking of the 900 mhz rss for GTX's, MTX9000's and so forth.  But
alot of these hams that have this modified software are very reluctant to
let it go wild out on the net for fear of the big M cracking the whip,
therefor its all kept in a tight group, but in some cases its not.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Kris Kirby  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, La Rue Communications wrote:
> > Thanks Jeff! I am curious though - if the RSS is similar to Computer
> > applications (I know the RSS *IS* software) but if its obsolete, a lot
> > of software vendors don't mind if the obsolete software goes public /
> > freeware. Even if it was made Open Source and people could configure
> > it to work with any similar Motorola radio (If possible), would
> > Motorola get upset about stuff like that happening with their licensed
> > software?
>
> Motorola will sue you into bankruptcy if you cross them. However, they
> have larger problems. Remember that they are selling radios that cost
> $1500+ to every agency under the sun because of the narrow-banding that
> is coming up in a few years. The secondary markets of the existing
> "wideband" radios will be legal Part 90 users who do not want to pay for
> the new radios, and can afford the filter and frequency
> standard replacement as well as the tech's time on the bench to make
> sure the radio is within spec. On top of those factors, many of the
> radios weren't made to deal with the splinter frequencies which will be
> used in increasing numbers in the future.
>
> I suppose if one was bright and wanted to hedge a few bets, one could
> buy up a large number of Maxtracs, have them sent to China, install new
> timebases and filters, check them there cheaply, then send them back to
> the US and have them checked again, programmed, and sold to the other
> Part 90 users. Or one could have 900MHz Maxtracs turned into 450MHz
> Maxtracs, keep the 2.5KHz deviation, and use HearClear. That would be
> fundamentally changing the operation of the radio and might involve
> learning 68HC11 microprocessors and reverse engineering the radio. But
> those costs are cheaper in China, where the choice is "do I want to eat
> today?" versus "Do I want to eat next week?" or "I still have four
> months before they foreclose."
>
> Of course, the growing dependence on CODECs to achieve bandwidth savings
> in digital radio sets an artificial obsolescence point in the lifetime of
> the radio. As long as the FCC and industry keeps thinking they can
> squeeze blood from a turnip, two-way radio will see smaller allocations
> and the Big Five telecom players will enjoy allocations in the
> multi-megahertz.
>
> But Motorola plays in that market too.
>
> --
> Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
> Disinformation Analyst
>  
>



-- 
Jeff Ackerman
Peninsula Communications
6 Rossi Circle, Suite C
Salinas, Ca 93907
j...@peninsulacom.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Jeff Ackerman]

Well, RSS is very easy to find, as you found that web site, there are a few
other websites that list RSS, although, those other sites are all in other
countries, Russia, china and so forth.  the newer windows versions, CPS, is
harder to come by on the internet, its out there but not as publicly
available, mainly distributed through private exchanges, and such.  I have
seen motorola take action on there windows software when it shows up on the
internet, if you happen to find a listing for some CPS software on ebay,
watch it for a few days and usually motorola finds it and tells ebay, then
ebay cancles the auction automatically, iv herd several accounts of that,
even if your a dealer and your listing new software it will be taken off
ebay withen a day or so of listing it.   I have seen aucitons of radios and
the person will include a copy of the programming software, but in all
accounts of those, they were older not supported radios, that used the RSS
(dos) programming software, and iv not seen motorola report that kind of
auction, i however havent looked for auctions for just RSS and see if it
gets reported.

>From what i can make of it all, motorola seems to not be as strict with the
older RSS as they are with the newer CPS.





Jeff Ackerman - kg6uyz
Peninsula Communications
6 Rossi Circle, Suite C
Salinas, Ca 93907
j...@peninsulacom.com


On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:38 PM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Jeff! I am curious though - if the RSS is similar to Computer
> applications (I know the RSS *IS* software) but if its obsolete, a lot of
> software vendors don't mind if the obsolete software goes public / freeware.
> Even if it was made Open Source and people could configure it to work with
> any similar Motorola radio (If possible), would Motorola get upset about
> stuff like that happening with their licensed software?
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>
> - Original Message -
>  *From:* Jeff Ackerman 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution
>
>
>
> Yeah, thats what i assume since they have not been taken off, and they
> mainly have all the old dos stuff.  But i am well aware of the motorola
> software licience agreement policy as well, since i work for a motorola
> dealer too.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, La Rue Communications  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> So Motorola wont go ofter these people since they are based in another
>> country? Glad to hear they have been around a while - just didnt want any
>> legal crap with the "Big Bat" :-)
>>
>> John Hymes
>> La Rue Communications
>> 10 S. Aurora Street
>> Stockton, CA 95202
>> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jeff Ackerman 
>> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:05 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution
>>
>>
>>
>> That site has been around for along time, it used to be under another
>> domain *www.ham.dmz.ro*, which now points to that new domain.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications <
>> laruec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ran across this website
>>>
>>> http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
>>>
>>> Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the
>>> cautious guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how
>>> Motorola's Software License Agreement is big and scary..
>>>
>>> Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by
>>> posting RSS for the general public?
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Comments?
>>>
>>> Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
>>>
>>> John Hymes
>>> La Rue Communications
>>> 10 S. Aurora Street
>>> Stockton, CA 95202
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>>>
>>
>>
>   
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Kris Kirby]

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, La Rue Communications wrote:
> Thanks Jeff! I am curious though - if the RSS is similar to Computer 
> applications (I know the RSS *IS* software) but if its obsolete, a lot 
> of software vendors don't mind if the obsolete software goes public / 
> freeware. Even if it was made Open Source and people could configure 
> it to work with any similar Motorola radio (If possible), would 
> Motorola get upset about stuff like that happening with their licensed 
> software?

Motorola will sue you into bankruptcy if you cross them. However, they 
have larger problems. Remember that they are selling radios that cost 
$1500+ to every agency under the sun because of the narrow-banding that 
is coming up in a few years. The secondary markets of the existing 
"wideband" radios will be legal Part 90 users who do not want to pay for 
the new radios, and can afford the filter and frequency 
standard replacement as well as the tech's time on the bench to make 
sure the radio is within spec. On top of those factors, many of the 
radios weren't made to deal with the splinter frequencies which will be 
used in increasing numbers in the future. 

I suppose if one was bright and wanted to hedge a few bets, one could 
buy up a large number of Maxtracs, have them sent to China, install new 
timebases and filters, check them there cheaply, then send them back to 
the US and have them checked again, programmed, and sold to the other 
Part 90 users. Or one could have 900MHz Maxtracs turned into 450MHz 
Maxtracs, keep the 2.5KHz deviation, and use HearClear. That would be 
fundamentally changing the operation of the radio and might involve 
learning 68HC11 microprocessors and reverse engineering the radio. But 
those costs are cheaper in China, where the choice is "do I want to eat 
today?" versus "Do I want to eat next week?" or "I still have four 
months before they foreclose."

Of course, the growing dependence on CODECs to achieve bandwidth savings 
in digital radio sets an artificial obsolescence point in the lifetime of 
the radio. As long as the FCC and industry keeps thinking they can 
squeeze blood from a turnip, two-way radio will see smaller allocations 
and the Big Five telecom players will enjoy allocations in the 
multi-megahertz.

But Motorola plays in that market too.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
Disinformation Analyst

[Repeater-Builder] tone panel deal of the moment

[skipp025]

If you have any interest in playing with a Repeater CTCSS 
"Tone Panel"... here's the deal of the moment. 

Ebay Item 220627865813 
COM SPEC REPETER TONE PANEL 

Starting bid:   US $20.00

If nothing else you could tack it onto the disc (in some 
cases even the low level recorder) output of your scanner 
for a visual of the tone in use. 

Hope someone gets the great deal... 

s. 

And no, I don't have anything to do with the auction... I'd buy this 
auction if I didn't already have one (actually more than one) of 
these units. 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[La Rue Communications]

Thanks Jeff! I am curious though - if the RSS is similar to Computer 
applications (I know the RSS *IS* software) but if its obsolete, a lot of 
software vendors don't mind if the obsolete software goes public / freeware. 
Even if it was made Open Source and people could configure it to work with any 
similar Motorola radio (If possible), would Motorola get upset about stuff like 
that happening with their licensed software?

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Ackerman 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution



  Yeah, thats what i assume since they have not been taken off, and they mainly 
have all the old dos stuff.  But i am well aware of the motorola software 
licience agreement policy as well, since i work for a motorola dealer too.



  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, La Rue Communications  
wrote:

  

So Motorola wont go ofter these people since they are based in another 
country? Glad to hear they have been around a while - just didnt want any legal 
crap with the "Big Bat" :-)

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Ackerman 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution



  That site has been around for along time, it used to be under another 
domain www.ham.dmz.ro, which now points to that new domain.



  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications 
 wrote:

  

Ran across this website

http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php

Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the 
cautious guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how 
Motorola's Software License Agreement is big and scary..

Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by 
posting RSS for the general public?

Thoughts? Comments?

Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn






  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Jeff Ackerman]

Yeah, thats what i assume since they have not been taken off, and they
mainly have all the old dos stuff.  But i am well aware of the motorola
software licience agreement policy as well, since i work for a motorola
dealer too.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> So Motorola wont go ofter these people since they are based in another
> country? Glad to hear they have been around a while - just didnt want any
> legal crap with the "Big Bat" :-)
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jeff Ackerman 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution
>
>
>
> That site has been around for along time, it used to be under another
> domain *www.ham.dmz.ro*, which now points to that new domain.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ran across this website
>>
>> http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
>>
>> Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious
>> guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's
>> Software License Agreement is big and scary..
>>
>> Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting
>> RSS for the general public?
>>
>> Thoughts? Comments?
>>
>> Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
>>
>> John Hymes
>> La Rue Communications
>> 10 S. Aurora Street
>> Stockton, CA 95202
>> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>>
>
>   
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Death of a Service Monitor

[skipp025]

> Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio  wrote:
> Idiotic waste of time and band width

So I broke down (no pun intended) and had a look. Really 
sad to see that happen while thinking I know where I could 
have gotten that Service Monitor Refurbished. 
s. 

>> From: Joe 
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:36 AM  
>>   
>> Worth watching if a service monitor ever caused you 
>> frustration.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXbBS3lVXU

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[La Rue Communications]

So Motorola wont go ofter these people since they are based in another country? 
Glad to hear they have been around a while - just didnt want any legal crap 
with the "Big Bat" :-)

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Ackerman 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution



  That site has been around for along time, it used to be under another domain 
www.ham.dmz.ro, which now points to that new domain.



  On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications  
wrote:

  

Ran across this website

http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php

Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious 
guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's 
Software License Agreement is big and scary..

Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting 
RSS for the general public?

Thoughts? Comments?

Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[DCFluX]

Thanks for the hot tip! Just what I needed!

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> Ran across this website
>
> http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
>
> Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious
> guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's
> Software License Agreement is big and scary..
>
> Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting
> RSS for the general public?
>
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[Jeff Ackerman]

That site has been around for along time, it used to be under another domain
*www.ham.dmz.ro*, which now points to that new domain.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> Ran across this website
>
> http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php
>
> Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious
> guy to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's
> Software License Agreement is big and scary..
>
> Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting
> RSS for the general public?
>
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>  
>

[Repeater-Builder] Erring on the Side of Caution....

[La Rue Communications]

Ran across this website

http://www.hampedia.net/motorola/mt-1000.php

Found out it has the RSS to the Motorola MT1000. And me being the cautious guy 
to never get into legal crap with the big boys as I know how Motorola's 
Software License Agreement is big and scary..

Is this site legitimate or is this site just asking for trouble by posting RSS 
for the general public?

Thoughts? Comments?

Should I stay away from these people? Thanks!

John Hymes
La Rue Communications
10 S. Aurora Street
Stockton, CA 95202
http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor

[Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio]

Idiotic waste of time and band width

Ted Bleiman K9MDM

MDM Radio     "If its in stock...we've got it!"

P O Box 31353  - Chicago ,IL 60631-0353

 Phone 773. 255. 9838  fax 773.775.8096
see our offerings on
www.twowayshopper.com
www.secondhandradio.com



--- On Wed, 6/30/10, Joe  wrote:

From: Joe 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:36 AM







 



  



  
  
  Worth watching if a service monitor ever caused you frustration.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXbBS3lVXU



73, Joe, k1ike




 





 



  






  

[Repeater-Builder] Looking for SP01 audio/squelch and interconnect boards

[Mike]

hi looking for SP01 audio/squelch and interconnect boards.
for cheap.
thanks...n8rtnmike.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

[Richard Fletcher]

Hi Al,

 The most simple explanation is, the higher you go in frequency, the wider the 
band width. This is also relevant to the diameter of the metal of the antenna 
structure. The fatter it is, the more the bandwidth will increase. On low band 
frequency's you really really have to get it "Fat" to increase the bandwidth. 
As an example a standard Mobile whip (Not a HT antenna) at 50 MHz, may yield a 
1.5 to 1 VSWR over 3 MHZ. to increase it to 5 MHZ you would need to increase 
the diameter to about the size of about a 1/4 inch pipe. Thats why you would 
see better bandwidth characteristics in a 1/4 tube constructed antenna than 
that of the type of a mobile whip. at same frequency.

 So Again thats not the exact true to a formula explanation but it gets the 
picture in the minds eye of the electrical characteristics of an antenna, I 
hope its clearer not muddier :-)

 Richard





From: hitekgearhead 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 10:58:06 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

  
I know I am revisiting this again but I could use some clarification.

It has been stated before that the Motorola low band helical antennas have a 
useful bandwidth of about 1MHz.

I was just wondering why that was the case, say in comparison to HT antennas in 
other bands. For instance, (and correct me if I am wrong) the mid UHF 
(430-470MHz) radios often all use the same 6" 1/4 wave whip.

What am I missing? I know that the first type of antenna is loaded and the 
other is a 1/4 wave whip, but beyond that I don't understand the fundamental 
differences that would allow one a wider bandwidth over the other. Please 
pardon my antenna theory ignorance

Also, in relation to that, what use would be a 99 channel MT1000 unless one 
either programmed the frequencies on quite a narrow spread, or carried multiple 
antennas?

Thanks in advance,

Albert





  

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 1296 filter

[Geert Jan de Groot]

On 1 Jul 2010 02:58:24 - Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> I'm searching a valid project of 1296MHz cavity filter. Schematic, images are
 appreciated.
> I would use it on 1296 fm repeater and atv repeater 1240/1290.
> Could be interesting a project of cavity filter with unique antenna out.

ATV filtering might be difficult because the signal is wide
and you're bound to have phase distortion problems.

Having said that, see if you can find someone who has the
"UKW unterlagen" book series (in German).

Geert Jan

Re: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

[Dan Blasberg]

Never mind, I went back and re-read it.

All I have to say for myself is...Duh.

I really shouldn't respond to things at 0515.

Dan
KA8YPY

On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:16 AM, Barry wrote:

>
>
>
>
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: ka8...@verizon.net
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 04:45:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas
>
> Ummm, shouldn't that be the other way around???
>
>
>
>
> Sigh
>
>
>
>
>  nah
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 29 MHz = 10 Meters (approx.)
> 150 MHz = 2 meters (approx.)
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:43 AM, Barry wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Real easy to visualise
> >
> > consider the length of a wavelength then lay the antenna against it
> > the ht stick gets shorter in comparision the lower in frequency
> >
> > Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private?
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private?
>
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

[Barry]

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: ka8...@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 04:45:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas


















 



  



  
  
  Ummm, shouldn't that be the other way around???




Sigh




 nah







29 MHz = 10 Meters (approx.)

150 MHz = 2 meters (approx.)



Dan

KA8YPY



On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:43 AM, Barry wrote:



>

>

> Real easy  to visualise

>

>  consider the length of a wavelength then lay the antenna against it

>  the ht stick gets shorter in comparision the lower in frequency

>

> Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private?

>

> 







 









  
_
New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au
http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/

Re: [Repeater-Builder] lowband HT antennas

[Dan Blasberg]

Ummm, shouldn't that be the other way around???

29 MHz = 10 Meters (approx.)
150 MHz = 2 meters (approx.)

Dan
KA8YPY


On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:43 AM, Barry wrote:

>
>
> Real easy  to visualise
>
>  consider the length of a wavelength then lay the antenna against it
>  the ht stick gets shorter in comparision the lower in frequency
>
> Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private?
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor

[x.tait.tech]

i used to use the Motorola Signal Gen , the first one he started shooting up

he could have sent it my way,


Marcus




On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:47 AM, La Rue Communications
wrote:

>
>
> This guy needs to work on his aim. :-) Can totally relate though!! THE
> HUMANITY THE HUMANITY!!!
>
> John Hymes
> La Rue Communications
> 10 S. Aurora Street
> Stockton, CA 95202
> http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joe 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:36 AM
> *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Death of a Service Monitor
>
>
>
> Worth watching if a service monitor ever caused you frustration.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXbBS3lVXU
>
> 73, Joe, k1ike
>
>  
>

[Repeater-Builder] help

[stumpy]

hi can any one help on my p210 is not lettig me read it and when i try to prog
it keeps saying one channel only apart from the p210 softwere is there any other
progame i can try to set it back to 8 channers thanks larry