Re: [Repeater-Builder] CSI-32 (Lynnwood Washington) Repeater Tone Panel Controller Information

[kb1sph]

Ok, I've searched all over the board and have found no date on it.,
other than "Copyright 1988".

As for the chips in it, well, other than the standard chips probably in
every model, here's what I've found that might help, they're in
sockets.

MK48Z02B25 - CMOS 2K x 8 XEROPOWER SRAM
NMC27C128BQ250 - High Speed Version 131,072-Bit(16k x 8) UV Erasable CMOS
PROM (Basically 128K)
And this one I'm not sure why it's in a socket, I can't imagine it
needing to be removed.
MC6840P - Programmable Timer Module

Maybe the "6289" handwritten on the label is suposed to be a date, but
other than that all I can find is a number stamped onto the board that
looks like a serial number, "08901009"

There is a big blank spot where, according to what I've read, there is
supposed to be an AC->DC converter, but mine doesn't have the AC
feature.

I haven't actually checked the bottom side, but I don't imagine they
would have printed it there.

On the plus side, my CSI-32 has a custom made internal switch to change
the COS from high or low trigger.  I was annoyed because it only takes a
high trigger and my repeater has a low trigger.  so I added a little
board with a dpdt switch and transistor inverting circuit.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


On 7/12/2010, "skipp025"  wrote:

>
>
>
>> "Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694"  wrote:
>> Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal.  I've found a lot of 
>> useful information on repeater-builder.com over the years, 
>
>Hi Jeff, 
>Just don't buy a car from any of us and you'll be fine. 
>
>> I was wondering if you had any information about a 
>> CSI-32 tone panel and possible firmware upgrades. The 
>> EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says the 
>> following.
>> 128 v4.0
>> 6289 (I think, hard to read)
>> © CSI
>
>In regards to the CSI (Lynnwood Washington CSI, not the Ventura 
>CA. CSI) brand of Repeater Tone/DCS Controllers. The latest 
>firmware version is based on the PC Board date of construction, 
>which is most often silk screened in white ink right on the board. 
>
>V4.0 was one of the last firmware versions available for most 
>of the CSI-32 Controllers. As time allows I could check my files 
>for firmware information but I would need to know your pc board 
>date code in addition to all the other details. Right now I'd say 
>the 4.0 stuff is pretty much it in regards to updates. 
>
>cheers, 
>s. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

[George Henry]

Great!  I'll dig them out first thing tomorrow & get them shipped out no 
later than Thursday.

George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements


> George, sent the money.  It will come from a different e-mail address, but
> it will have my name.
>
> Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
>
>
> --
> From: "George Henry" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:49 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>
>> I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them...  $50 for the
>> pair.
>> At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set.
>>
>> If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com.
>>
>> George, KA3HSW
>>
>>
>>>
>>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
>>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I
>>>would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a
>>>different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches
>>>if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later
>>>down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the
>>>proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not
>>>allowed
>>>(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is
>>>more
>>>set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get
>>>together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham 
>>>volunteers.
>>>
>>>Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested 
>>>I
>>>would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need
>>>them
>>>as spares.
>>>
>>>Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
>>>
>>>--
>>>From: "George Henry" 
>>>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM
>>>To: 
>>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>>>
 What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've 
 got
 a
 bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600
 GMRS
 repeater.



 George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413


>
>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements 
>(and
>a
>guacamole recipe)
>
>
>Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule
>information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally
>signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited.
>
>Bomar sounds like a good place to start with.
>
>I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to
>load
>it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820
>and
>he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How 
>could
>I
>go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com.
>
>On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes
>yahoo
>blocks my messagesnot sure why.
>
>I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel 
>and
>possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that
>says
>the following.
>
>128 v4.0
>6289 (I think, hard to read)
>© CSI
>
>- Jeff
>

>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[ka9qjg]

Had a Member of the Group send Me a Link direct , I thought I would share it
then We can get back to repeater Building before  We get hollered at  lol

 

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/quindar.html




 

Don 

 

KA9QJG 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Lavoie -
KB1SPH/WQEX694
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:23 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

 

  

That makes sense. I wonder if the ground crew could trick the ground 
receiver into un-muting the audio from the shuttle so that they can listen 
in on what's going on.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694

--
From: "Martin Flynn" mailto:maflynn%40theflynn.org> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:16 PM
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

> Spacecraft systems are full-duplex. The purpose of the "Quindar tones"
> was to mute the uplink audio when Houston had nothing to say.
>
> ka9qjg wrote:
>>
>>
>> Meant a lot to the First Astronauts with Communications that is how
>> it got started I think , I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission
>>
>> Don
>>
>> KA9QJ



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694]

That makes sense.  I wonder if the ground crew could trick the ground 
receiver into un-muting the audio from the shuttle so that they can listen 
in on what's going on.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


--
From: "Martin Flynn" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:16 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

> Spacecraft systems are full-duplex.  The purpose of the "Quindar tones"
> was to mute the uplink audio when Houston had nothing to say.
>
> ka9qjg wrote:
>>
>>
>> Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how
>> it got started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission
>>
>>   Don
>>
>>   KA9QJ
>>
>
>
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[tracomm]

Didn't one of the large radio dealers recently get a hefty fine for
programming radios on frequencies that the user did not have a license
for ??

CJD


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "KD5SFA"  wrote:
>
> If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number  of church youth
camps activities asked you to program  FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT
type accepted for LMR
> would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range  at camp.
>
> My gut is to tell him no...
>
> Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a
> little extra thought on the subject...
>
> Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my
> Volunteer FD.
>
> 73,
> Jon
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

[Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694]

George, sent the money.  It will come from a different e-mail address, but 
it will have my name.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


--
From: "George Henry" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:49 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

> I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them...  $50 for the 
> pair.
> At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set.
>
> If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com.
>
> George, KA3HSW
>
>
>>
>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>>
>>
>>Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I
>>would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a
>>different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches
>>if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later
>>down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the
>>proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not 
>>allowed
>>(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is 
>>more
>>set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get
>>together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers.
>>
>>Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested I
>>would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need 
>>them
>>as spares.
>>
>>Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
>>
>>--
>>From: "George Henry" 
>>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM
>>To: 
>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>>
>>> What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got
>>> a
>>> bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600
>>> GMRS
>>> repeater.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413
>>>
>>>

From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and 
a
guacamole recipe)


Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule
information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally
signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited.

Bomar sounds like a good place to start with.

I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to
load
it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820
and
he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could 
I
go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com.

On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes 
yahoo
blocks my messagesnot sure why.

I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and
possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that 
says
the following.

128 v4.0
6289 (I think, hard to read)
© CSI

- Jeff

>>>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694]

That would make some interesting research.  Honestly I like having my repeater 
controller do a beep at a lower audio level when someone un-keys.  Low enough 
to be heard, but not be a nuisance. If someone is closer to the repeater you 
may not know if they've un-keyed until the repeater itself drops out.  With a 
courtesy tone (as they're called now) it lets the other person know you've 
un-keyed and they can key  up again.  But I'll admit some of these beeps that 
the bubble packs and CBs have are really annoying.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694



From: ka9qjg 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:02 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops





Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how it got 
started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission 

 

Don 

 

KA9QJG 

 

  

Nothing if you're name is roger. 

 

 

From: Larry Horlick 

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:02 PM

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

 

Hey, what's wrong with a roger beep?'beep'

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM, skipp025  wrote:

  





 




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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[Martin Flynn]

Spacecraft systems are full-duplex.  The purpose of the "Quindar tones" 
was to mute the uplink audio when Houston had nothing to say.

ka9qjg wrote:
>  
>
> Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how 
> it got started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission
>
>   Don
>
>   KA9QJ
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: RogerBeep (Quindar)

[Oz-in-DFW]

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/quindar.html

On 7/13/2010 10:02 PM, ka9qjg wrote:
>  
>
> Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how
> it got started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission
>
>  
>
> Don
>
>  
>
> KA9QJG
>
>  
>
>  
>

-- 
mailto:o...@ozindfw.net
Oz
POB 93167 
Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[Barry]

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: kd5...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:23:43 +
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops


















 



  



  
  
  If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number

of church youth camps activities asked you to program

FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR

would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range

at camp.



My gut is to tell him no...



Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a 

little extra thought on the subject...



Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my 

Volunteer FD.



73,

Jon
 Is it legal ?
 will you get bitten on the butt ?
 imho a two letter answer 





 









  
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[ka9qjg]

Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how it got
started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission 

 

Don 

 

KA9QJG 

 

  

Nothing if you're name is roger. Smile emoticon

 

 

From: Larry Horlick   

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:02 PM

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

 

Hey, what's wrong with a roger beep?'beep'

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM, skipp025  wrote:

  





 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[ka9qjg]

Had a similar request from a large church  that  I was working Midnight
Security for ,  They knew I was a Ham  and They ask if I could set them up a
FM Broadcast station  ,  so when they have Plays and Service  the Pastor
could have someone Translate it  to English  for the Spanish spacing  church
members   He would get some cheap FM type walkmans . 

 

I said sure  Have  you already applied for a lic  or have one , He stated oh
don't
worry about that it will be low power  and they would  have Me find a clear
spot . 

 

Well I  politely told  them My Ham Radio Lic would be at risk  and I could
not do it ,  So they had someone get on E-Bay and ordered a 25 Watt FM
Transmitter and outside ant and have been on the Air for 2 Yrs . 

 

They have almost the coverage of My 2 Repeaters 

 

Good Luck 

 

Don 

 

KA9QJG 

 

PS  Being a nice Person and  helping do something illegal Can always come
back in bite you in your  A*&^  I do not know  of many Lic Two Way shops
that will risk their Lic to do stuff like This  , and Most  for some reason
Hate  Ham Radio Operators for some reason They think We carry ourselves as
knowing  Everything where in the heck would they get that idea  lol 

 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MCH
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:38 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

 

  

Explain to him that it's not legal, and tell him you would not be 
comfortable doing something that is not legal, as you could jeopardize 
your FCC license(s) which you have worked very hard to earn.

You can even show him the Part 95 rules where it has the limitations on 
what equipment you can use - including the part about the antennas being 
non-removable.

Joe M.

KD5SFA wrote:
> If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
> of church youth camps activities asked you to program
> FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
> would you do so ? It would only be for extended range
> at camp.
> 
> My gut is to tell him no...
> 
> Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a 
> little extra thought on the subject...
> 
> Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my 
> Volunteer FD.
> 
> 73,
> Jon
> 
> 
> 



 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694]

Nothing if you're name is roger. 



From: Larry Horlick 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:02 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops




Hey, what's wrong with a roger beep?'beep'


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM, skipp025  wrote:



  > If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
  > of church youth camps activities asked you to program
  > FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
  > would you do so ? It would only be for extended range
  > at camp.

  If the radio power can be reduced, turn it down and program 
  the FRS frequencies in. If the power can't be reduced, put the 
  radios on GMRS Frequencies. 

  Many of the Kenwood Portables I sell allow power level 
  programming per channel so the FRS gets low and the other 
  stuff gets the nominal rated power. 

  FRS Radios are sold cheap at the big box stores... try to 
  find the ones that allow you to turn off the $...@%@*%& stupid 
  roger beeps 

  s. 







<>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[Larry Horlick]

Hey, what's wrong with a roger beep?'beep'

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM, skipp025  wrote:

>
>
>
> > If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
> > of church youth camps activities asked you to program
> > FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
> > would you do so ? It would only be for extended range
> > at camp.
>
> If the radio power can be reduced, turn it down and program
> the FRS frequencies in. If the power can't be reduced, put the
> radios on GMRS Frequencies.
>
> Many of the Kenwood Portables I sell allow power level
> programming per channel so the FRS gets low and the other
> stuff gets the nominal rated power.
>
> FRS Radios are sold cheap at the big box stores... try to
> find the ones that allow you to turn off the $...@%@*%& stupid
> roger beeps
>
> s.
>
>  
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

[skipp025]

> If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
> of church youth camps activities asked you to program
> FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
> would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range
> at camp.

If the radio power can be reduced, turn it down and program 
the FRS frequencies in.  If the power can't be reduced, put the 
radios on GMRS Frequencies. 

Many of the Kenwood Portables I sell allow power level 
programming per channel so the FRS gets low and the other 
stuff gets the nominal rated power. 

FRS Radios are sold cheap at the big box stores... try to 
find the ones that allow you to turn off the $...@%@*%& stupid 
roger beeps 

s. 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tinkering with Repeater Controller firmware - source code

[skipp025]

>> I'm reversing out the source code for one of the 
>> ACC Repeater Controllers and it's not for the
>> casual person to attempt. 

> Was the original code done in an assembler (my guess, 
> given the vintage)?  

Yep, it's all in assembly language and so far fairly straight 
forward. The process is taking a lot more time than I ever thought 
it would but I trudge on (hopefully forward). 

> Have you asked Link Comm if by chance they have any 
> source code?
> Bob NO6B

If Link has it (which I probably doubt they do) I wouldn't 
expect them to share it... I was very appreciative of Alan 
and Steve supporting the ACC Controllers by supplying the 
last versions of firmware, copies of manuals and a replacement 
Eprom retrofit kit for as long as they did. 

And I wanted an excuse to bring my SDK-85 and ENMAC 8085 
Trainers back out of storage. 

s. 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[MCH]

Explain to him that it's not legal, and tell him you would not be 
comfortable doing something that is not legal, as you could jeopardize 
your FCC license(s) which you have worked very hard to earn.

You can even show him the Part 95 rules where it has the limitations on 
what equipment you can use - including the part about the antennas being 
non-removable.

Joe M.

KD5SFA wrote:
> If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
> of church youth camps activities asked you to program
> FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
> would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range
> at camp.
> 
> My gut is to tell him no...
> 
> Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a 
> little extra thought on the subject...
> 
> Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my 
> Volunteer FD.
> 
> 73,
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 03:33:00
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694]

If everyone using them had a GMRS license (one license covers the family) 
you could probably get away with using GMRS frequencies, but not FRS.  Some 
part 90 radios were certified for part 95 as well, mostly Kenwood I think. 
Motorola radios were not part 95 certified usually because of the digital 
capabilities (MDC, STAR) and Motorola didn't want to sell cheap radios, 
they're a bit greedy and wanted the big bucks from commercial.  Of course, 
that doesn't stop some of us from using them anyway.

In the end, it's up to you, but I would say no to FRS.

An alternative may be to find some cheap MURS radios.  They are license free 
and I think they're allowed up to 2 watts as opposed to the 500mw FRS.

Also, if they are using bubble pack FRS radios on a channel higher than 7, 
chances are (if they are made within the last few years) they are just as 
powerful as the LMR radios.  The only difference is usually the antenna, 
they probably have the equivalent to a stubby uhf antenna on the LMR radios, 
which does make a difference in range.  I really do not think it would help 
the range too much, unless you're talking about using mobiles, then I would 
definitely say no to doing it.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


--
From: "Chris Curtis" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:29 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

> I pastor a motorcycle ministry and have no problem saying no to illegal or
> "fringe" "favors" from fellow church members.
>
> I also try to help them find a "legal" solution to whatever 
> problem/project
> they have.
>
> Good luck
>
> Kb0wlf
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
>> buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:24 PM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
>>
>> If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
>> of church youth camps activities asked you to program
>> FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
>> would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range
>> at camp.
>>
>> My gut is to tell him no...
>>
>> Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a
>> little extra thought on the subject...
>>
>> Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my
>> Volunteer FD.
>>
>> 73,
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[Jon]

Thanks...

I just wanted a quick gut check to make sure I wasn't being overly
cautious...

73,
Jon
KD5SFA

RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[Richard]

I'd tell him no, because it is illegal.
 

Richard, N7TGB
www.n7tgb.net
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's
money
--Margaret Thatcher


 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:24 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops


  

If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
of church youth camps activities asked you to program
FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
would you do so ? It would only be for extended range
at camp.

My gut is to tell him no...

Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a 
little extra thought on the subject...

Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my 
Volunteer FD.

73,
Jon

RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[Chris Curtis]

I pastor a motorcycle ministry and have no problem saying no to illegal or
"fringe" "favors" from fellow church members.

I also try to help them find a "legal" solution to whatever problem/project
they have.

Good luck

Kb0wlf

> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
> buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:24 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops
> 
> If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
> of church youth camps activities asked you to program
> FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
> would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range
> at camp.
> 
> My gut is to tell him no...
> 
> Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a
> little extra thought on the subject...
> 
> Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my
> Volunteer FD.
> 
> 73,
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date:
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr Pro

[JOHN MACKEY]

They usually tune up fine.  I have taken several of the 90 watt transmitter
strips and receiver down to 146 Mhz with little or no problem.  Occasionally
the coupling with the final has to be slightly fiddled with to get a better
match.

-- Original Message --
Received: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:32:06 AM PDT
From: "Todd" 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr Pro

> Does anyone have any info on moving a GE Mastr Pro repeater from VHF
commercial to VHF Amateur?  I am curious whether anyone has done it, would it
be worth it before I end up parting them out for scrap.  I also have about a
dozen of the Mastr mobile of the era as well.
> 
> Todd AE7V
> 
> 

[Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

[KD5SFA]

If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
of church youth camps activities asked you to program
FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range
at camp.

My gut is to tell him no...

Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a 
little extra thought on the subject...

Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my 
Volunteer FD.

73,
Jon

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tinkering with Repeater Controller firmware - source code

[DCFluX]

Best I can tell the original code was written in assembler on an IMASI
8080 with a development system of some kind.

Last I checked the source code from Link Communications was not available.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM,   wrote:
> At 7/12/2010 20:56, you wrote:
>
>> > "Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694"  wrote:
>> > Ok, I can get you the date code tomorrow if you find some
>> > spare time to  check. It's too bad I couldn't get a copy
>> > of the original code and maybe modify it myself. I like
>> > to tinker around with existing programming a bit,
>> > but I wouldn't know where to begin if I were to start
>> > from scratch.
>> > Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
>>
>>I have to look at whet ever the processor is to comment on
>>modifying the code.  I'm reversing out the source code for
>>one of the ACC Repeater Controllers and it's not for the
>>casual person to attempt. At 443 pages of disassembled source
>>code I'd say you really have to want to do something like this.
>>And I'm doing it for fun...
>
> Was the original code done in an assembler (my guess, given the
> vintage)?  Have you asked Link Comm if by chance they have any source code?
>
> Bob NO6B
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr Pro

[Pointman]

i agree...I have at least 6 of them on UHFeither on the ham bands or 
business radio...they still work great!

de KM3W




From: skipp025 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 4:52:38 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr Pro

  

> "Todd"  wrote:
> Does anyone have any info on moving a GE Mastr Pro repeater 
> from VHF commercial to VHF Amateur?  I am curious whether 
> anyone has done it, would it be worth it before I end up 
> parting them out for scrap.  I also have about a dozen of 
> the Mastr mobile of the era as well.
> Todd AE7V

Hold that Tiger!  Don't scrap the radio if you can help it. Sure 
the GE Master Pro will pretty much dial right down onto the ham 
bands with only readjustment and a capacitor or two change in 
the receiver crystal injection stages. 

And the Master Pro Receiver works just killer (great) and will 
still hold its own in rugged location service. 

s. 


 


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tinkering with Repeater Controller firmware - source code

[no6b]

At 7/12/2010 20:56, you wrote:

> > "Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694"  wrote:
> > Ok, I can get you the date code tomorrow if you find some
> > spare time to  check. It's too bad I couldn't get a copy
> > of the original code and maybe modify it myself. I like
> > to tinker around with existing programming a bit,
> > but I wouldn't know where to begin if I were to start
> > from scratch.
> > Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
>
>I have to look at whet ever the processor is to comment on
>modifying the code.  I'm reversing out the source code for
>one of the ACC Repeater Controllers and it's not for the
>casual person to attempt. At 443 pages of disassembled source
>code I'd say you really have to want to do something like this.
>And I'm doing it for fun...

Was the original code done in an assembler (my guess, given the 
vintage)?  Have you asked Link Comm if by chance they have any source code?

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Silver Plating - Cheap & Easy

[cecil ferguson]

Thanks for the info George.  Yes, the use of the word "developer" was most 
likely my bad.  I did processing in my teen years, had my own darkroom and 
while writting the below, I was thinking of Hypo. Bbut then a lot has changed 
in the past 70 years since my developing days and I assumed things may have 
changed and the process along with it.
 
Your thoughts are appreciated and I'll file this away for future use.  Thanks 
and 73
Gene


--- On Mon, 7/12/10, George Henry  wrote:


From: George Henry 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Silver Plating - Cheap & Easy
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 1:53 PM


  



It's actually used photographic FIXER that contains a lot of "free silver"...  
the fixer removes any unexposed silver in the film emulsion.  For many years I 
recovered the silver from my fixer by adding powdered zinc, which will dissolve 
more easily in the solution than silver will, causing the silver to precipitate 
out.  Collected over 28 ounces over the years.

His method of silver plating probably involved connecting the negative lead of 
a 
low-voltage source to the "can", filling it with used fixer, and then 
suspending 
a zinc electrode in the solution, connected to the positive lead.  The zinc 
goes 
into solution, and the silver, instead of precipitating out, plates out onto 
the 
can.  If the fixer is sufficiently loaded with silver ("exhausted", in 
photo-speak), it will plate out on copper without any current source, but 
adding 
the batteries will speed things up & result in a thicker layer of silver.

George, KA3HSW

>
>From: cecil ferguson 
>To: Repeater Builder 
>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 7:08:36 AM
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Silver Plating - Cheap & Easy
>
>  
>A couple of years back, in an exchange with an engineer from Texas Instrument 
>Germany, who is working in Freising, Barvaria, I was told of a cheap and easy 
>silver plating procedure he uses on his duplexers.  He uses Photographic 
>Developer (which has a really high level of 'free silver') and a simple one or 
>two cell power source = 1.5 to 3.0 volts.  (While not discussed, I would 
>suggest 
>
>that 'used fluid' may be better than new and may be obtained very cheaply).  
>This should be an ideal solution for the DIYers in our group.
>
>If interested, why not contact Hans-Juergan Schott directly at < h-scho...@ti. 
>com >?
>
>This should be an interesting topic for our Tecnical Info page as well. 
>
>Hans-Juergan, if you are monitoring, pls forward this procedure to us as I 
>think 
>
>many of us would be interested.  Tnx.  
>
>
>73 to all,
>
>Cecil E (Gene) Ferguson. W4FWG 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr Pro

[skipp025]

> "Todd"  wrote:
> Does anyone have any info on moving a GE Mastr Pro repeater 
> from VHF commercial to VHF Amateur?  I am curious whether 
> anyone has done it, would it be worth it before I end up 
> parting them out for scrap.  I also have about a dozen of 
> the Mastr mobile of the era as well.
> Todd AE7V

Hold that Tiger!  Don't scrap the radio if you can help it. Sure 
the GE Master Pro will pretty much dial right down onto the ham 
bands with only readjustment and a capacitor or two change in 
the receiver crystal injection stages.  

And the Master Pro Receiver works just killer (great) and will 
still hold its own in rugged location service. 

s. 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Mastr Pro

[Sid]

I have done it many years ago.  As I recall they take minimum work to use on 
VHF freqs, but I would go with a later series of GE equipment.
Sid. 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Todd"  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any info on moving a GE Mastr Pro repeater from VHF 
> commercial to VHF Amateur?  I am curious whether anyone has done it, would it 
> be worth it before I end up parting them out for scrap.  I also have about a 
> dozen of the Mastr mobile of the era as well.
> 
> Todd AE7V
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FS GE ICOMS

[Eddie Cope]

Do we have a choice of frequency? I need Repeater ICONs Tx 463mhz Rx 468 range. 
Must be 5Mhz split. (tx low/rx hi)

 _
Eddie Cope wb5hhz





 

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio  wrote:


From: Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] FS GE ICOMS
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 10:22 AM


  








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[Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr Pro

[Todd]

Does anyone have any info on moving a GE Mastr Pro repeater from VHF commercial 
to VHF Amateur?  I am curious whether anyone has done it, would it be worth it 
before I end up parting them out for scrap.  I also have about a dozen of the 
Mastr mobile of the era as well.

Todd AE7V

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

[George Henry]

I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them...  $50 for the pair.
At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set.

If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com.

George, KA3HSW


>
>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>
>  
>Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I 
>would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a 
>different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches 
>if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later 
>down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the 
>proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not allowed 
>(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is more 
>set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get 
>together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers.
>
>Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested I 
>would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need them 
>as spares.
>
>Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
>
>--
>From: "George Henry" 
>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements
>
>> What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got 
>> a
>> bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 
>> GMRS
>> repeater.
>>
>>
>>
>> George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413
>>
>>
>>>
>>>From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
>>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a
>>>guacamole recipe)
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule
>>>information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally
>>>signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited.
>>>
>>>Bomar sounds like a good place to start with.
>>>
>>>I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to 
>>>load
>>>it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 
>>>and
>>>he said, "I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50." How could I
>>>go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com.
>>>
>>>On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo
>>>blocks my messagesnot sure why.
>>>
>>>I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and
>>>possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says
>>>the following.
>>>
>>>128 v4.0
>>>6289 (I think, hard to read)
>>>© CSI
>>>
>>>- Jeff
>>>
>>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MRS2000 VHF Channel element wanted

[k7pfj]

Hi Larry,

 

Are they reject 5Meg split

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
larryjspamme...@teleport.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:44 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MRS2000 VHF Channel element wanted

 

  

I have some VHF WACOM and TX/RX 6-cavity duplexers available (WA State). 

Larry

lar...@teleport.  com



-Original Message- 
From: Larry Taylor 
Sent: Jul 12, 2010 10:30 PM 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MRS2000 VHF Channel element wanted 

  

Hi! I would like to get a REC Channel Element for a MSR2000 that will tune 
to 146.00MHZ range. I have acquired from EBAY most of what I need to make 
a repeater. The element and a Set of Duplexer I'll have it whipped!! Any 
help out there???
Larry Taylor KF6JBG
Home: cvrcsoaring (AT) earthlink (Dot) net

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Silver plating of cavities advice please?

[Barry]

S don't tell anyone 

 make that a thrupenny bit then 
  
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