Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies Due toElectrocution and Fire Hazards

[Christopher Zeman]

It's funny you mention building construction. I work for a company that,
under the original ownership in the 70's, built two identical
facilities, one in California and one in Illinois. I work for the
company in Illinois. The buildings were constructed to California code,
and I'm sure you can imagine the problems we've had with the buildings
in the winter.

Chris
N9XCR


On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 13:12 -0500, Ron Wright wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> This is a code requirement here in my county and think all of Florida.
> 
> The code requirements for building is a county/state issue and vary.
> Most use the NEC code. Many have additional codes such as having wind
> resistance building. The way homes are constructed in the north would
> not be allowed in Florida mainly due to the wind. This is why we see
> so much concrete block construction with lots of requirements for
> attaching to foundation and roof securing. Just different part of the
> US.
> 
> Same with electric code. For various reasons some additional changes
> are often made. Just because you have a code in your area does not
> mean it is in all of US. It is county mostly with some state codes. In
> my county there were NO building codes until the 70s. Can you believe
> this.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2008/07/06 Sun AM 11:43:50 EDT
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power Supplies
> Due toElectrocution and Fire Hazards
> 
> > 
> >Where is the requirement for running a separate feed to EACH OUTLET 
> >REQUIRED? Not in the US> A "dedicated out is required for certain 
> >special situations but not for each outlet elsewhere. There are
> certain 
> >other requirements such as GFCI and AFCI. But, certainly no
> dedicated 
> >feeder for each out.
> >
> >Ron Wright wrote:
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> I've noticed in panels the safety ground and neutral go to a
> different buss bar. I had thought maybe because the neutral was
> sometimes, not now to code, smaller than the neutral. However, both
> got connected to the panel case. One can Ohm out neutral to safety and
> only see the resistance in the wiring to/from the panel. However, as
> you well know, should not be considered the same.
> >>
> >> In most plastic coated wireing I see today the safety wire is green
> coated, but some is still bare as you said. I've seen lots of this.
> >>
> >> Now in our county following NEC code the safety wire has to be same
> size as neutral . No more of the 14-2 w/G cable, but 14-3 one being
> safety ground color or bare. Also they are doing something different,
> a separate set of wires must be ran between panel and each outlet...no
> more of one wire to one outlet and then from here to another outlet,
> etc. Can you imagine the extra cost and labor. Not sure what they do
> at the breaker panel...put in separate breaker for each outlet. Not
> sure if this NEC code or something to do with the hurricane code we
> have here in Florida. We do lots of construction very different here,
> hi.
> >>
> >> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>> From: Gary Glaenzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Date: 2008/07/06 Sun AM 10:19:49 EDT
> >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: RadioShack Recalls Power
> Supplies Due toElectrocution and Fire Hazards
> >>> 
> >>
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't know what part of the US you live in, but around here
> (western IL)
> >>> the grounding conductor ('safety ground') is bare in Romex-type
> cable, and
> >>> may or may not be insulated in conduit, and usually one size
> smaller than
> >>> the 'main' conductors.
> >>>
> >>> Also, the GC goes to one bus-bar, the neutral to another, the GC
> bus-bar is
> >>> bonded ot the neutral at the SERVICE panel (incoming power, the
> one with the
> >>> 'Main' braker that shuts off all power), but is kept separate in
> all
> >>> sub-panels, and from the sub-panel(s) there must be a separate GC
> (coded
> >>> green) run back to the GC bus-bar in the service panel.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Ron Wright, N9EE
> >> 727-376-6575
> >> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> >> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> >> No tone, all are welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > 
> 
> Ron Wright, N9EE
> 727-376-6575
> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> No tone, all are welcome.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Radial Ice, Detuning

[Christopher Zeman]

Isn't it amazing how little 1% affects us as compared to the big boys? Lol

 

Chris

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radial Ice, Detuning

 

Paul Plack wrote:

> FM and TV Broadcasters go to much trouble and expense to maintain
> antenna heaters to deal with this issue. Some use ice detectors which
> evaluate precip and temp on the tower, to turn on the antenna heater
> automatically when conditions are favorable for ice formation.
> Otherwise, ice can form so fast the heaters can't keep up, and some
> broadcast stations have to shut down when SWR gets too high due to
> ice.

heh-yeah, even 1% reflected on a 100,000 W TV station is 1000 W of 
reflected power!
-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ritron Repeater Plus

[Christopher Zeman]

I can't figure out how I missed that when I was on the site before. Thank
you! It turns out I have the RR-455.

 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Struebel
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:28 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ritron Repeater Plus

 

There are several manuals for different versions of these repeaters on the
Repeater Builder Technical Information Page.

I have one of these myself and have sucessfully tuned it into the ham band.

http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/

 

Dave WB2FTX

- Original Message - 

From: skipp025 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 1:40 PM

Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ritron Repeater Plus

 

The Ritron Repeaters can be moved down into the ham/amateur band 
but it's a fair amount of work to do it well/right. 

Just a question of which Repeater Plus unit you have... 

cheers, 
skipp 

> "Christopher Zeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I picked up a Ritron Repeater Plus at a recent hamfest. It's
currently tuned to 461MHz. Can these be retuned to 440? Has anyone
used them for amateur repeaters?
> 
> Chris
> N9XCR
>

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ritron Repeater Plus

[Christopher Zeman]

I'm not exactly sure. I didn't see a model number on it anywhere, just an
FCC ID sticker. I'll post it when I get home tonight.

 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ritron Repeater Plus

 

The Ritron Repeaters can be moved down into the ham/amateur band 
but it's a fair amount of work to do it well/right. 

Just a question of which Repeater Plus unit you have... 

cheers, 
skipp 

> "Christopher Zeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I picked up a Ritron Repeater Plus at a recent hamfest. It's
currently tuned to 461MHz. Can these be retuned to 440? Has anyone
used them for amateur repeaters?
> 
> Chris
> N9XCR
>

 

<><>

[Repeater-Builder] Ritron Repeater Plus

[Christopher Zeman]

I picked up a Ritron Repeater Plus at a recent hamfest. It's currently tuned to 
461MHz. Can these be retuned to 440? Has anyone used them for amateur repeaters?

Chris
N9XCR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Would You Do This?

[Christopher Zeman]

I would DEFINITELY do it. :) I'm just trying to figure out what all the 
mystery was about to begin with. hehehehe


Chris
N9XCR


Christopher Hodgdon wrote:


Ok, here goes, just read the post below and I have answered each
question as we go along.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
, "Eric Lemmon" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Christopher,
>
> You didn't provide enough information for a meaningful response. For
> example:
>
> 1. Is the tower literally abandoned?
As far as we can tell
> 2. How much rent will you have to pay?
$0
> 3. How much liability insurance will you have to carry?
The amount currently used by our parent non-profit organization
> 4. Is your power metered, or will you pay a flat rate?
We would have a meter of our own + site has a backup generator
> 5. Will you be able to come and go as you please, with your own key?
Yes and Yes
> 6. Are there other users of the tower?
Not at this time
> 7. Must any of the other users be shut down when you work on your
antenna?
NO
> 8. Have you read the "site rules" and are you prepared to obey them?
They don't have any at time time
> 9. Is this site preferable to any other site you may use?
Yes
> 10. Does your repeater equipment meet the quality expectations of
the site
> owner?
It should
> 11. Will you have any responsibilities, such as grass cutting, corrosion
> control, etc?
At our own opinion
> 12. Is your equipment capable of operating satisfactorily in a high RF
> environment?
Working on that.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>

I know that American Tower has bought up a lot of the old AT&T long
line stations, which brings me to my point and wanting to know how
people felt about these sites in general.

Where we are located, there is the opportunity to pickup a complete
(building, land and tower) Long Line Station. American Tower does not
want or need it, since they have a larger tower located within 2 miles
of this location.

This is a rather complete 26,000 sq. ft. building, with a basement,
operational generator, self-contained water system, water chillers for
cooling and tons of room inside.

The site was built in the mid 50's with the high security design to
allow for the ability to "survive" a nuclear blast within a mile
radius of the facility.

It sits on 4 1/2 acres of land and includes a 189' tower, still with
Microwave horns on it. The tower is complete, less the transmission
equipment.

Having spoken with some builders that build facilities similar to
this, was informed to build such a location (exact standards) would
cost will close to a million dollars. But here is an opportunity to
purchase a ready made facility for less than $200,000.00.

OK, I know, if you got the money, well shot get it. Which is what we
are working on.

Possible the ultimate ham shack?

If you could do it, would you?

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] A Monday Laugh

[Christopher Zeman]

Ya know, we've thought about doing that on a few occasions, but figured 
it just wasn't worth the effort. They have several different 
dispatchers, and usually get new ones every year. The thing we can't 
figure out is why Park Operations insists on having international 
employees with HEAVY accents calling out ride downtimes. We usually have 
to make a phone call or more to find someone who actually understood the 
dispatcher.


Chris
N9XCR


Mike Morris wrote:


Walk into the dispatch area with a handheld and say
"OK, I'm transmitting. Key down and over-ride my thumb on the button" and
make your voice come out of my speaker".

Don't feel alone, I had to do just that to make a paving
company dispatcher come to their senses.  And the
idiot had the nerve to call my boss and complain
because I made her "feel stupid" after I went to
extra trouble to show here when there was no
one else in the room.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 04:19 PM 03/10/07, you wrote:

I work for a theme park, and our seasonal supervisors carry GP300's. 
It never fails; someone's radio ALWAYS gets wet when it rains. 
They'll be transmitting for at least 5-15 minutes straight. The 
company that maintains/programs our radios never program the TOT in 
the damn things.


Now, Park Operations always says the same thing when a situation like 
this occurs: "Park Base to all units. Please check for an open mic." 
You can try to tell them all you want that the person who is 
transmitting and walking around the park IS NOT going to hear them, 
but of course they know better. "Base overrides the portables." They 
truly believe that the person transmitting is going to hear them. Oh, 
and 90-95% of everyone wears and earphone.


Chris
N9XCR


Jim B. wrote:


Kris Kirby wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Eric Lemmon wrote:
>> talkative. Most of these blabbermouths consider setting the TOT on
>> their own radios as "too restrictive."
>>
>> Every user radio in my commercial fleet has the TOT set for 30 
seconds. In
>> my mind, that's more than enough time to get any important 
message across.

>> Unfortunately, many Hams think otherwise...
>
> That's not a bad idea. I'd probably want to set it at 120 seconds; 
one

> of the repeaters I grew up using had a 4-minute timer.
>
> I program most of my radios for 300 seconds or five minutes, just in
> case of stuck keys.
>

What is done on ham gear is one thing, but on commercial fleets, it
should never be more then 90 seconds, and for public safety should 
be no

more then 60, preferably 30-45 seconds.

While I was driving to work yesterday, and had my local fire dept
repeater in scan, a dead carrier suddenly appeared. In listening, it 
was

obvious that someone was sitting on their mic button. You could faintly
hear talking, and mobile flutter. It continued for, oh, maybe 20 
minutes

or so. Either they never programmed the TOT on the radio, or, knowing
FD's, they have an old radio that doesn't have one, like an HT-90 or
something, maybe even an MT-500 or HT-220...
MAJOR issue...
--
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL


 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] A Monday Laugh

[Christopher Zeman]

I work for a theme park, and our seasonal supervisors carry GP300's. It 
never fails; someone's radio ALWAYS gets wet when it rains. They'll be 
transmitting for at least 5-15 minutes straight. The company that 
maintains/programs our radios never program the TOT in the damn things.


Now, Park Operations always says the same thing when a situation like 
this occurs: "Park Base to all units. Please check for an open mic." You 
can try to tell them all you want that the person who is transmitting 
and walking around the park IS NOT going to hear them, but of course 
they know better. "Base overrides the portables." They truly believe 
that the person transmitting is going to hear them. Oh, and 90-95% of 
everyone wears and earphone.


Chris
N9XCR


Jim B. wrote:


Kris Kirby wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Eric Lemmon wrote:
>> talkative. Most of these blabbermouths consider setting the TOT on
>> their own radios as "too restrictive."
>>
>> Every user radio in my commercial fleet has the TOT set for 30 
seconds. In
>> my mind, that's more than enough time to get any important message 
across.

>> Unfortunately, many Hams think otherwise...
>
> That's not a bad idea. I'd probably want to set it at 120 seconds; one
> of the repeaters I grew up using had a 4-minute timer.
>
> I program most of my radios for 300 seconds or five minutes, just in
> case of stuck keys.
>

What is done on ham gear is one thing, but on commercial fleets, it
should never be more then 90 seconds, and for public safety should be no
more then 60, preferably 30-45 seconds.

While I was driving to work yesterday, and had my local fire dept
repeater in scan, a dead carrier suddenly appeared. In listening, it was
obvious that someone was sitting on their mic button. You could faintly
hear talking, and mobile flutter. It continued for, oh, maybe 20 minutes
or so. Either they never programmed the TOT on the radio, or, knowing
FD's, they have an old radio that doesn't have one, like an HT-90 or
something, maybe even an MT-500 or HT-220...
MAJOR issue...
--
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

 

[Repeater-Builder] FS: Exciters and other interesting stuff...

[Christopher Zeman]

New Hamtronics TA51 6M Transmitter w/Crystal Oven - $175 shipped

One non-working Hamtronics TA51 6M Transmitter - $50 shipped

New Hamtronics T304-6 (460.000-470.235 MHz) - $200 shipped

ESP901 - Single-port RS-232/422/485 Ethernet Serial Server - $100 shipped

MaxStream XStream-PKG X09-019PKC-R 900MHz Radio Modems (Pair), no 
antennas or power supplies - $325 shipped

Motorola RNET 9600 Modem Model K44GNM1001A - $40 shipped

All items will be shipped via USPS Priority Mail.

I accept PayPal, Money Orders, or personal checks. I wait 7 business 
days for checks and money orders to clear before I ship.

I am especially open to trade offers. I'm looking for the following 
equipment, or equipment with similar features:
Yaesu VX-5R, 6R, or 7R
CAT-300, DX, or DXL Repeater Controller
900MHz Programmable Transceiver
IC-706MKIIG
6M Heliax Duplexer

Please don't hesitate to offer other types of equipment either.


Thank you,
Chris
N9XCR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Def: Golden Screwdriver

[Christopher Zeman]

I always thought it meant "Technician In Training". We'll just forget 
about the acronym. lol


Chris
N9XCR


na6df wrote:


Ahh... That explains how all the cores got broken in the last Mastr
II that I worked on..

8-)

df

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>
> > For those who are inquiring minds and not up to all
> > of the terminology, what is a "golden screwdriver"?
>
> Simple: You realized someone before you has already touched
> the radio/circuit you're working on.
>
>
> Definitions from The Online Plain Text English Dictionary:
>
> Golden Screwdriver
> (v.) Alignment, adjustment or modification by a person or persons
> with poor knowledge, experience and/or skill level, both the
> electronic and/or mechanical type.
> (v.) Didn't really know what the heck they were doing.
>
> s.
>

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

[Christopher Zeman]

I was wondering about that. I went to the link someone else posted, and 
it said "STUNTBOARDS" across the bottom.



Chuck Kelsey wrote:


The "fall" appeared to be a stunt. There was another version on UTube 
and you could see the airbag at the bottom and there was a stunt logo 
on the screen.
 
Chuck

WB2EDV

- Original Message -
*From:* WD7F - John in Tucson 
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:00 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

DuhI'll never know why I hit the "send" button after I read
this messagesorry.
de WD7F
 


- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Perryman K5JMP 
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:31 PM
*Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

Sorry, was headed out the office door...  just arrived home
and see the link has already been posted...
 
73

Mike
K5JMP
www.k5jmp.us 

-Original Message-
*From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *DCFluX
*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:12 PM
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

Link?

On 2/1/07, *Mike Perryman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

I found it...  the guy was on the top-plate of a
roughly 500 foot self-supporter...  he tried to rip
the lightning rod off and lost his footing...   serves
him right.  No sleep lost here...

 73
Mike Perryman
_www.k5jmp.us _

-Original Message-
*From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
]*On
Behalf Of *Chuck Kelsey
*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:53 PM
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

What site are you talking about?
 
Chuck

WB2EDV
 
 


- Original Message -
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]

*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC
Test/Tower fall

Take a look at same site for non-entertainment
video clip of the guy falling off the top of a
huge tower to his death. That should be a
refresher for some people to be extra careful
when climbing towers.
Gary  K2UQ
 




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Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

[Christopher Zeman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSseoyHouOM

I think he WAS going to climb back down, but ended up going down the 
fast way.



DCFluX wrote:


Link?

On 2/1/07, *Mike Perryman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I found it...  the guy was on the top-plate of a roughly 500 foot
self-supporter...  he tried to rip the lightning rod off and lost
his footing...   serves him right.  No sleep lost here...

 73
Mike Perryman
_www.k5jmp.us _

-Original Message-
*From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
]*On Behalf Of *Chuck
Kelsey
*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:53 PM
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

What site are you talking about?
 
Chuck

WB2EDV
 
 


- Original Message -
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall

Take a look at same site for non-entertainment video clip
of the guy falling off the top of a huge tower to his
death. That should be a refresher for some people to be
extra careful when climbing towers.
Gary  K2UQ
 



 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] State sites

[Christopher Zeman]

That's what I said. Perhaps I missed something, but where does it say 
that a tower owner HAS to allow anyone to use space on their tower?


Ken Arck wrote:


At 08:09 AM 1/31/2007, you wrote:

>Hello Mike,
>The American Civil Liberties Union sure would love this.

<--Huh???

--
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Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: coordination question for the seasoned owners

[Christopher Zeman]

I don't many, but I was simply responding to the statement that only 
"old men" are the ones causing trouble. I just wanted to point out that 
anyone with the means to put up a repeater have the same opportunity to 
cause trouble. BTW, I'm 29. :)


I considered putting up a 6M or 900MHz repeater myself but, like you, 
lack the resources necessary to get it on a tower. I have a low-band GE 
Mastr II sitting at home that needs to be duplexed. I think I'll do it, 
and just buy the rest of the system, piece-by-piece, until I have a 
fully functioning system as well. I'll put it up when opportunity 
presents itself.


Kris Kirby wrote:


On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Christopher Zeman wrote:
> How about the younger generation that thinks everything should just be
> handed to them? No, I am not referring to code/no-code. I am simply
> stating what I see in the 16-22 year-olds (especially the college
> grads) at work.

Let's put this into (a) perspective; how many 16-22 year olds do you
know who have the means and/or ability to put a repeater up?

I am 27 and have a fully-built 900MHz repeater sitting in a garage
because I lack the resources to erect and/or maintain a tower site.
You'd likely want to note that my choice of band means I can all but
declare my own coordination as 95% of the US has no local 900MHz
repeater operating in Part 97 service.

I just look at this more from a perspective of eliminating interference
-- for example, there's no reason for a large network of repeaters to
NOT be on the same frequency if they have a common backbone on a
different band and are designed for interconnected use only. You'll only
ever hear the repeater you are closest to and likewise, will only 'work'
the reciever closest to your location (except in rare cases).

Likewise, it's futile to attempt to work a repeater 80 miles away on the
same frequency as a local repeater five miles from your location with
just a PL tone change. You reciever will capture the local repeater
every time the carrier goes active, regardless of any ability to discern
correct PL. The RF signal just won't be there. These are proven solvable
problems. People problems, on the other hand...

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:kris%40catonic.us>>

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: coordination question for the seasoned owners

[Christopher Zeman]

"This behavior furthers in the mindset that this is an old man's hobby 
-- because only an old man with nothing else to do with his time but 
cause trouble can sustain the fight."

How about the younger generation that thinks everything should just be 
handed to them? No, I am not referring to code/no-code. I am simply 
stating what I see in the 16-22 year-olds (especially the college grads) 
at work.

Chris
N9XCR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Rule on tampering with a FCC licensed transmiter

[Christopher Zeman]

Presented by eham.net

Sorry, couldn't help myself. :)

Chris
N9XCR
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:23 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Rule on tampering with a FCC licensed 
transmiter


  >
  > The comments on applicable laws are both more interesting and more 
  > instructive than your insulting diatribe. At your first opportunity, 
  you should get a 
  > life.
  >

  A prime example of the type of gomeril I am refering to with my 
  statement...

  >... BS, Big heads, and everyone is inferior to my way of thinking... 
  thats the majority in here.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rule on tampering with a FCC licensed transmiter

[Christopher Zeman]

There was an incident in my area about 10 years ago where an individual had 
interfered with the local sheriff's department. The individual was charged by 
the county. I don't know what the charge was exactly, but I believe the 
individual was charged with a mis-demeanor.

Chris
N9XCR

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rule on tampering with a FCC licensed 
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  In a message dated 12/9/2006 1:34:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
I seem to recall there is a hook in the CB rules that allows the locals 
to cite for certain offenses that are blatantly obvious. 


It comes down to this: intentional interference with radiation from a 
transmitter, or intentionally interfering with the reception capability of a 
receiver that has an FCC station authorization is a Federal offense. Unless the 
equipment is owned by a Federal entity, stealing it is not a Federal offense 
but unquestionably is a state and/or local offense.

  In the case of deliberate interference to a public safety channel,  local 
police agencies cold get the necessary search warrants to apprehend the 
miscreant and stop the interference, but the charges leveled at the perp would 
be filed by the local Federal Attorney. As a practical matter, in these 
situations, the FCC is involved from the get go because local law enforcement 
rarely has the DFing gear to pinpoint the source.  In the case of deliberate 
interference to an amateur station, local law enforcement will politely refer 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rule on tampering with a FCC licensed transmiter

[Christopher Zeman]

I would have to wonder what you were talking about exactly, but I would 
assume it's a TREMENDOUS NO-NO. :)


Chris
N9XCR

JOHN MACKEY wrote:


Can anyone qoute me the rule abotu tampering with a federally licensed
transmitter?

 

Re: FW: Read: [Repeater-Builder] Stuck cores

[Christopher Zeman]

I just installed CentOS on my laptop the other day and had the 
opportunity to try gaim. I cannot say enough good things about it! I was 
so happy not to see the damn ads in the top of my buddy list. It's just 
what an IM client should be!!!


Chris
N9XCR

STeve Andre' wrote:


Heh. I have to agree. For those who aren't computer nerds,
Outlook (and IE) are truly dangerous problems, fraught with
problems and security holes. Yes, they look nice, but they're
as unsecure as they are nice to the end user.

Everyone is encouraged to look at Eudora and Thunderbird
for email, and Firefox for web browsing. Eudora is commercial,
but there is a free version which is great, and Firefox/Thunderbird
are open-source programs which you can freely and legally give
to all your friends.

Please consider using them; they make using Windows less of a
security horror.

Oh, and if you use instant messenger software, try gaim. It
speaks all the popular protocols (yahoo, icq, msn...) and is a
lot safer security wise. Google for those terms and you'll
find out where to get them. If anyone has questions send
me private mail and I'll help. It's important that people stop
using dangerous software.

--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en82

On Wednesday 06 December 2006 21:18, Ken Arck wrote:
> At 05:56 PM 12/6/2006, you wrote:
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Maybe

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> members are required to watch and provide the ketchup
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Re: FW: Read: [Repeater-Builder] Stuck cores

[Christopher Zeman]

Have you run a virus scan?

Chris
N9XCR

N9WYS wrote:


I don't know what this is, but I don't think I sent this message... Maybe
someone is spoofing my address.

And I don't send stuff to the list with a read request.

Mark - N9WYS

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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:34 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 


Subject: Read: [Repeater-Builder] Stuck cores

Your message

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 


Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Stuck cores
Sent: 12/5/2006 8:37 AM

was read on 12/6/2006 5:33 PM.

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sex Video

[Christopher Zeman]

Yeah, sign me up to buy one of those!!! lol

Chris
N9XCR

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sex Video


> Some new feature built into a repeater or controller 
> that I'm missing?  Darn hard to keep up with technology... 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Don't miss it

[Christopher Zeman]

I have to wait 100 years to be a year older? LOL

It will be the year 2106 100 years from now. :)

Chris
N9XCR

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To: 
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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Don't miss it


> Nope, in 100 years it will be 2007, so it will be 2/3/4 07. 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Small (and LARGE) fonts (Please read)

[Christopher Zeman]

I used to use Thunderbird, but ditched it because of stability issues. I was 
getting "IMAP Server does not exist" all the time. I went back to it after a 
few months (fresh installation) and had the same problems.

There are many features in Thunderbird I love and wish Outlook Express had, 
but at least I don't have the problems with Outlook Express that I did with 
Thunderbird.

Chris
N9XCR

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Small (and LARGE) fonts (Please read)


> You might consider switching to Thuderbird.
>
> I dumped Eudora a long time ago due to massive stability issues.
> Tbird is free. www.mozilla.com
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> Bob Dengler wrote:
>> At 4/3/2006 06:23 AM, you wrote:
>>> If everybody would just configure their mailer to send plain text
>>> then there would be no problems.
>>>
>>> Since that's probably never going to happen then the
>>> recipients can take matters into their own hands and
>>> have their mailers ignore HTML. This way everything
>>> is displayed in plain text.
>>>
>>> I rarely use a web based mailer like Yahoo, Hotmail or
>>> Gmail, or Microsofts virus magnet (Outlook) so I can't
>>> help there, but in Eudora 7 click on Tools, then Options,
>>> Viewing Mail and uncheck "Use Microsoft's Viewer".
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>> Have been doing that for ages.  However, some messages still read here 
>> with
>> varying font sizes/styles/colors.  I've talked to Qualcomm tech. support
>> about offering an option in Eudora to completely ignore text styles &
>> embedded images, but I guess that won't happen.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio Shack store closings

[Christopher Zeman]

I'm not sure how the stores near you are, but the Radio Shacks in the NE IL,
SW WI area are EXTREMELY limited in parts they carry.

Chris Zeman
N9XCR

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Radio Shack store closings


> Radio Shack just announced the closing of 400 or so stores including 4
> in the Erie,Pa area. I know,they arent a premier parts store,but another
> blow to us who build...73,lee,N3APP
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.....

[Christopher Zeman]

Thank you! :)

Chris
N9XCR


- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.


> Christopher Zeman wrote:
>
> > I don't think the downfall is going to be any particular class of
license. I
> > could have been MUCH clearer in my previous post. Poor attitudes from
> > members of all license classes will play a big part in it. The amateurs
who
> > display an obvious lack of technical knowledge will also play a role.
I'm
> > referring to the basic skills all amateurs should know. I've been out of
the
> > hobby for about 10 years, and I've realized as I start building my
station
> > again that I've forgotten a few things, but I certainly haven't
forgotten
> > the basics.
> >
> >
> > That said, one of the first things I learned when going for my license
> > originally is that you should listen for a while to gain a familiarity
with
> > operating practices. The individuals that were discussed in a related
thread
> > that didn't appear to understand how repeaters work are prime examples
of
> > why new operators should listen for a while. Perhaps they wanted to know
how
> > well they were getting into the machine. I'd be willing to give them the
> > benefit of the doubt having not heard them myself, but their "style" of
> > calling each other on the air was obviously not acceptable use of the
> > repeater. I've been doing a lot of listening on HF lately. Although I've
> > been inactive (due to no equipment), I upgraded to General a few years
ago
> > and have finally started building my station again.
> >
> > Chris
> > N9XCR
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> Nicely said, Chris!!!
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] dumb as mud

[Christopher Zeman]

"I guess I am still waiting for the one that wires an echo mike to his icom
IC-27H."

I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet myself. I will admit, however, that I
would be rolling on the floor laughing harder than I have in a long time.
Just the thought of it has me laughing my you-know-what off!

Chris
N9XCR


- Original Message - 
From: "Jay Urish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dumb as mud


> I guess this is Off Topic(tm)
> But I have to agree, I am seeing more of the CB'ers getting licensed and
> showing up on 2m. Here in Denton we have lidiot that I have finally
> given up on that just cannot figure out how to say his own callsign. He
> chronically quick keys and cuts himself off.. Now I am a fair and
> balanced elmer type and I have spend tons of time with this guy over the
> phone and finally just with on-air elmering and he just doesn't get it.
>
> So what do you do? Most of the old timers won't even talk to him
> anymore. I guess the hope is that he will just go away.
>
> I guess I am still waiting for the one that wires an echo mike to his
> icom IC-27H..
>
>
> Kris Kirby wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Nate Duehr wrote:
> >> It's rampant.  I'd easily estimate that 1/4 of our members don't really
> >> "get" how a repeater works.
> >>
> >> "You're 20 over 9 here!"
> >
> > I think I've heard something similar on the air here; one station was
> > doing the drawn-out calling that you'd do for a contest working a
station
> > in the mud over a repeater. I hope someone clues him in.. If I get a
> > chance next time, I'll pull him off-line and chat with him.
> > Self-policing... I know that I probably violate a lot of what I was
> > taught, but there is something to using a little procedure; it makes
> > things a little more professional, even if the professional radio
> > operator is a endangered species.
> >
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.....

[Christopher Zeman]

I don't think the downfall is going to be any particular class of license. I
could have been MUCH clearer in my previous post. Poor attitudes from
members of all license classes will play a big part in it. The amateurs who
display an obvious lack of technical knowledge will also play a role. I'm
referring to the basic skills all amateurs should know. I've been out of the
hobby for about 10 years, and I've realized as I start building my station
again that I've forgotten a few things, but I certainly haven't forgotten
the basics.


That said, one of the first things I learned when going for my license
originally is that you should listen for a while to gain a familiarity with
operating practices. The individuals that were discussed in a related thread
that didn't appear to understand how repeaters work are prime examples of
why new operators should listen for a while. Perhaps they wanted to know how
well they were getting into the machine. I'd be willing to give them the
benefit of the doubt having not heard them myself, but their "style" of
calling each other on the air was obviously not acceptable use of the
repeater. I've been doing a lot of listening on HF lately. Although I've
been inactive (due to no equipment), I upgraded to General a few years ago
and have finally started building my station again.

Chris
N9XCR

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From: "Kris Kirby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.


> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Christopher Zeman wrote:
> > It's sad they believe that Techs are going to be the downfall of ham
> > radio. They'll probably never realize that it's attitudes like their's
> > that turn people away.
>
> Now, we all know the downfall of ham radio will be the 20WPM Extras
>
> *ducks*
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.....

[Christopher Zeman]

It's sad they believe that Techs are going to be the downfall of ham radio.
They'll probably never realize that it's attitudes like their's that turn
people away.

Chris
N9XCR

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.


> Sometimes you wonder how some people get along & exist
>  from day to day . When I hear stuff like that on 2 mtr
> You know where they came from " The Chicken Band " and are
> Telling the world without knowing it . They have no idea
> How a repeater works & wouldn't understand if you told them .
> It isn't only ex CB'ers that are a problem some ole hams are
> just as bad . A few years ago I went to field day that one of
> the local clubs put on . I wasn't welcomed but asked what class
> I was I answered Tec and got a lecture on how no code Tec's
> Were going to be the down fall of ham radio . So I packed
> Up my 40 ft almna tower , ant & power unit 4000 watt they
> were using came home . Didn't even bother to tell them that
> I was A Tec+ at the time .
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> On 2/17/06 6:51 AM, "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.....

[Christopher Zeman]

lol

I really needed a good laugh this morning. Sar far, I've gotten several.
hehehehe

Chris
N9XCR

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Failure to communicate.


> "Hams that already know everything..."
>
> I think I've met a couple of those. They're the ones
> who tell you to scrape all that ugly protective copper
> coating off the 1/2 inch Heliax before you solder the
> center pin onto it.
>
> They're the ones that tell you "All the connectors on
> that thing over there were loose, so I tightened them
> all up for you" and then you find out that "that
> thing" was the hybrid ring duplexer on 2 meters, and
> the "connectors" were the tuning rods that are now all
> the way down into the cavities.
>
> They're the ones that tell you to put two 100 watt
> amplifiers in series so you get 200 watts to the
> antenna.
>
> Yup, know-it-alls.
>
> Speaking of failures to communicate, I was at a VE
> session the other night. A person came in for a code
> test. She was given the piece of scrap paper and a
> pencil, and proceeded to write down the Morse code as
> she copied it: "-.-. --.-   -.. . " for the entire
> length of the test tape. Yup, a sheet full of dots and
> dashes. Then she went back and translated each Morse
> character to it's appropriate letter, number, or
> punctuation. She commented that she hoped there were
> no numbers on the test. After 45 minutes, she was
> still grumbling about not having everything right, but
> I don't know how she knew; I left after that. I hope
> she didn't pass. This was the 2nd person who "copied"
> Morse code this way. Sort of defeats the purpose of
> translating it on-the-fly so you can have a real QSO.
> Imagine if someone sent you a message, and you took an
> hour to decode it, then had to send a reply back.
> First, the other person would have long gone
> elsewhere. Second, the band conditions would have
> probably changed and you could no longer even hear the
> other person. Our VE group had decided after the first
> person did this, that we weren't going to allow it
> again. Unfortunately the person administering the code
> test never said anything about it prior to the test
> nor during it, so we were stuck with it. The VE groups
> should make a policy ruling about this.
>
> OK, enough. I just had to add my $0.02 worth too. Glad
> I don't know everything.
>
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- Steve Bosshard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Sounds like some of us 'elmers' may not be imparting
> > information very well.
> > At Ham Coffee the other morning a ham that operates
> > HF, did not have a clue
> > what a beverage antenna was.
> >
> > Maybe a matter of not imparting knowledge
> > effectively, OR a matter of hams
> > that already know everything.
> >
> > Steve NU5D
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of Nate Duehr
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:21 AM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dumb as mud
> >
> > JOHN MACKEY wrote:
> > > I have two new guys hanging out on my repeater
> > system, I think they are
> > coming
> > > in on the 2 meter side.  They make contact with
> > each other ON THE REPEATER
> > > using low power, then switch to high power and ask
> > for signal reports.
> >
> > It's rampant.  I'd easily estimate that 1/4 of our
> > members don't really
> > "get" how a repeater works.
> >
> > "You're 20 over 9 here!"
> >
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Visio Schematics (Was Using Visio for Rack Planning)

[Christopher Zeman]

I've used AutoCAD for several years now. I drew several equipment racks last
and inserted DXF's of various equipment, amplifiers, network devices, etc.
Things are a little tougher when CAD drawings for various pieces of
equipment don't exist, but people would post what they have into the Files
area of the various radio groups, we could build a collection. :) That goes
for any template files for any program, such as AutoCAD or Visio.

Have fun!
Chris  N9XCR

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Visio Schematics (Was Using Visio for Rack
Planning)


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> > Another option would be to go to a site like
> > http://www.symbols.net/electrical/ and dump the .gifs
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> Hmm.. Ransom note schematics :)
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> > Also, Orcad has a demo version available for download
> > that should work great if all you want to do is draw
> > schematics.  It's here:
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> EWW.. EEEVIL..  I have a $10,000 licenced copy of capture, and
> layout.  It's in a pile with the excess AOL disks.
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> I've used orcad since '87. I still do. I run the LAST non-windows
> version they made.  I also run the dos-orcad group on yahoo.
> A surprising number of people have tried the new stuff, and given up
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> No, what I'm after is planning the mechanical layout.
> I have done some "faked" versions with visio, stretching rack panels
> to the size I need, which is good enough, but I'd like to do some
> templates that actually look like the gear in question, to help me
> plan cable lengths and wire routing.
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