Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-28 Thread Ken Arck
At 12:07 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote:

>Ken Arck wrote:
>
>Not true, that transmitter needs to be ID'ed. To keep that ID from
>being "heard" by the receiver at the IRLP node, CTCSS control is
>required. (Or other cheesy solutions like audio notch filters, but even
>then you have "quiet" key-ups being seen by the IRLP receiver, which
>isn't "right" either.)

<---Yea you're right. I dunno why I spaced on the ID requirements but I did!

Ken
(back to writing code and not making dumb postings.)
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-28 Thread Nate Duehr
Ken Arck wrote:
> Unless the IRLP connection is made directly to one of the Ports. Then 
> CTCSS is irrelevent
> 
> <---Actually, I want to clarify this a bit. If he plans on using a 
> radio link between the controller and IRLP Node itself, CTCSS control 
> is still irrelevant as we're not dealing with a repeating radio 
> therefore there should be no hang time. In which case, the link xmtr 
> can encode continuously without any "outside" control needed.

Not true, that transmitter needs to be ID'ed.  To keep that ID from 
being "heard" by the receiver at the IRLP node, CTCSS control is 
required.  (Or other cheesy solutions like audio notch filters, but even 
then you have "quiet" key-ups being seen by the IRLP receiver, which 
isn't "right" either.)

> Then all that matters is that the controller controlling the link 
> radio (at the repeater end) doesn't pass IDs or courtesy tones down 
> the link. And just about any controller will do that properly.

One *must* ID the transmitter on the link radio toward the IRLP node and 
away from it both, for it to be a legal link.  Away from it's easy, just 
mix in the CW ID's at the soundcard of the node, but from the repeater 
down to the node, you gotta jump through hoops.  If you want it "done 
right" anyway...

Nate WY0X


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-28 Thread Ken Arck
Unless the IRLP connection is made directly to one of the Ports. Then 
CTCSS is irrelevent

<---Actually, I want to clarify this a bit. If he plans on using a 
radio link between the controller and IRLP Node itself, CTCSS control 
is still irrelevant as we're not dealing with a repeating radio 
therefore there should be no hang time. In which case, the link xmtr 
can encode continuously without any "outside" control needed.

Then all that matters is that the controller controlling the link 
radio (at the repeater end) doesn't pass IDs or courtesy tones down 
the link. And just about any controller will do that properly.

Ken
--
President and CTO - Arcom Communications
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
we offer complete repeater packages!
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-28 Thread Nate Duehr
Ken Arck wrote:
> At 11:39 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
> 
> 
>> In an IRLP setup, when done properly, in that repeate with a separate
>> IRLP radio link configuration -- you'll also need a way to ID the link
>> toward the IRLP node without PASSING it through the IRLP node, so
>> toggling CTCSS is a nice way to do that.
> 
>  Then CTCSS is irrelevent

He said "link" I thought... that implies the IRLP is "somewhere else".

Well, he'll have to be a lot more specific... plenty of us here with 
knowledge on how to do the various options... (GRIN)...

Nate


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-28 Thread Ken Arck
At 11:39 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:


>In an IRLP setup, when done properly, in that repeate with a separate
>IRLP radio link configuration -- you'll also need a way to ID the link
>toward the IRLP node without PASSING it through the IRLP node, so
>toggling CTCSS is a nice way to do that.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-28 Thread Nate Duehr
larry allen wrote:
> Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp repeater 
> does not have audopatch...
> 
> Larry ve3fxq

Are you asking which repeater controllers can handle a link radio 
attached to one of their ports?

There's a lot of them that can do that...

In an IRLP setup, when done properly, in that repeate with a separate 
IRLP radio link configuration -- you'll also need a way to ID the link 
toward the IRLP node without PASSING it through the IRLP node, so 
toggling CTCSS is a nice way to do that.

Nothing on the market will do that directly in the controller other than 
the S-Com 7330 (since it generates its own CTCSS if you connect it 
correctly to your radio), but a vast number of multi-port controllers 
besides that one, can control whether or not an off-board CTCSS encoder 
is active via logic-outputs.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question.

Nate WY0X


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-27 Thread Ken Arck
At 10:07 AM 9/27/2007, you wrote:

>Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp repeater
>does not have audopatch...

<---Our RC210 works great with IRLP. See here:

http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/rc210/rc210.html

Ken
--
President and CTO - Arcom Communications
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
we offer complete repeater packages!
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"



[Repeater-Builder] Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp without audopatches...

2007-09-27 Thread larry allen
Any suggestion on repeater controllers using radio link to irlp repeater 
does not have audopatch...

Larry ve3fxq