Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Nate Duehr]

Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> Repeater-Builder group:
> 
> Which do you prefer?
> 
> There is a current debate about the usefulness of a Push To Talk (PTT) 
> Disable switch on your repeater.
> Would you rather have a switch or use some other means of disabling your 
> repeater; like pulling off the exciter coax, pulling out a control card, 
> disabling the controller with DTMF...  etc.
> Please make a selection. 
> 
>   o I like the PTT disable switch. 
>   o I like to disable my transmitter some other way. 
>   o This debate is really stupid. 

LOL!  Now THAT's funny.

Can we have some polls on the other "religion" topics of 
repeater-building also?

How about a poll about Spectrum repeaters?!

Heh heh, NICELY done... whoever did it.  I'm laughing out loud now.

Let's see... what other "never-ending RB debates" can be turned into a 
poll???  Hmm...

Nate

[Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Repeater-Builder]

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
Repeater-Builder group:

Which do you prefer?

There is a current debate about the usefulness of a Push To Talk (PTT) Disable 
switch on your repeater.
Would you rather have a switch or use some other means of disabling your 
repeater; like pulling off the exciter coax, pulling out a control card, 
disabling the controller with DTMF...  etc.
Please make a selection. 

  o I like the PTT disable switch. 
  o I like to disable my transmitter some other way. 
  o This debate is really stupid. 


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Thanks!

 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[JOHN MACKEY]

Dean-
I am also a military veteran. (navy)

You are correct, as we have apparently BOTH went to war to fight for the right
of free speech AND other freedoms.  If you don't like it here, you are free to
leave this group & start your own.

I recommend you exercise your freedoms!!!  I believe many will thank you for
it!

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> Thought police again!
> What happened to free speech?
> You do not like what someone says so
> you have a poll?
> He was right this morning when he said you
> do not build GE or Motorola. 
> I went to war and fought for the right of
> free speech as I am real sure others have on
SNIP






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Henry Clark, KC4KZT]

 I take the right to free speech serious,
as well.  But…

 

…Your right to free speech ends when
someone else “owns”, privately, the place you are speaking.  If you don’t believe that,

Walk in my house using language that I do
not approve of.  I will educate that
person real fast.

 

Kevin owns this list.  It’s his.  No different than his home, his car, his
yard.  He has FULL and ABSOLUTE
right to issue any rules that he wishes. 
That fact overrides any other. 
Acknowledging THAT requires respect.  To me, complaining about someone
exercising their right, in their solely “owned” atmosphere shows a
lack of that respect.

 

If I don’t like the rules, I move
on.  If I do, I stay.  Just the same as if I
were in his home.  And by the
same token, he can remove me whenever he wishes.

 

Free speech has nothing to do with this.  The issue is do we respect
Kevin’s desire to run his list the way HE wants to.

 

…I do.

 

Carry on Kevin.  You are doing a good job in my
book.  I can live with the rules.  I get more from this list way greater
than I give.  I know that.

 

 

Henry, KC4KZT

 

 

 









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I take the
right of free speech serous!





You should
as well.





 














 

















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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[JOHN MACKEY]

Obviously you don't know IT & e-mail very well.
Your AOL mail is proprietary. 

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> All mail to Cook comes in to our office and to our  server.
> From AOL and two other ISP's








 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

All mail to Cook comes in to our office and to our 
server.
From AOL and two other ISP's
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[JOHN MACKEY]

How can the "I.T. Guy" check what was sent to your AOL account???

Don't even try to tell us you called AOL, they couldn't care less.

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> I had the I.T. Guy check and you never sent
> any thing to us. 
 







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

I had the I.T. Guy check and you never sent
any thing to us. 
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Maire Company]

I don't know if I would want to do 
business with a company like yours,  you may only work there, but you don't 
give it a showing.  Sorry.  I even sent you some email direct to ask 
you about the use of a tower of your's,  but never an answer.   
So I gave up with you guys.  If I acted to my customers you do here I would 
not have any.
 John
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike/k1eg 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:36 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll 
  for Repeater-Builder
  
  Yup your right Dean after all look at what a 
  fool your making of yourself on here now and yes I will support your right to 
  be a fool.
  
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:43 
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I take the right of free speech serous!
You should as well.
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Kevin Custer]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Hey Steve,
  I 100% agree with this well not the 78 e-mails
  I think he is to busy to send that many he just
bought
  a radio station and plays with that. I do not
agree with
  Russ some times but this vote crap makes my blood
  boil! IT IS JUST WRONG! Who will be next!
  Dean Westbrook,
  

Maybe you if you choose to continue.

This list's purpose is plainly detailed.  As far as I'm concerned you
and Russ have added very little to it from a technical standpoint,
which is what this particular list is all about, technical issues.

Next?

Kevin














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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Mike/k1eg]

Thank You Doug.  Well stated.

Mike/K1eg

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Bade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder


>
>  I read a very interesting column on the concept of free speech
> recently. It went something like thisYou assume that just because you
> can freely speak that you are not bound by the consequences of such
action(
> or more specifically that there should not be any just because you have
the
> right to speak) , and that we need to tolerate your opinion.. such is not
> the caseConsequences may easily include ridicule as well as argument
> and even potentially violence. Yes violence is even justified if your free
> speech effort included provocation to that end... Claim free speech and
> call someone a jerk in a bar and see what happens... Walk up to a police
> officer and say "I am going to kill you " or yell "BOMB" in an airport and
> see how free your speech is I wonder how much "free speech" you allow
> your employees to exercise...or how much you use at a local council
meeting
> while you are asking the city to spend money with you... get real.
>
>  Free speech thus is a transmitting and receiving process and
needs
> to be tempered as such. I/we  have just as much right to tell you to stuff
> it as you do to say something. Free speech must be tempered with logic in
> where is and is not the right place to exercise it... The problem is that
> most people preaching about free speech are the last ones who should be
> exercising itIt generally becomes the last defense against self
induced
> ridicule from exercising said free speech at THE WRONG TIME and PLACE.
>
>  When you use free speech to be argumentative, you no longer will
> be carrying a constitutional and academic torch.. It will be viewed for
> what it is... argumentative..
>
>  Just because you have the right to say something does not make us
> obligated to listen... The delete key is my option here as of late, but as
> a  list owner, I have banned folks and censored folks (Russ included) for
> disrupting the harmony of that group, as these forums are not a public
> right of gathering place.. This is not the public street corner... Free
> speech can be limited as the owner of the list sees fit based on his
desire
> to maintain balance and harmony among the users of said list.
>  Your freedom to post here is limited by the list owners desire to
> allow it... It is a not democracy.
>
>  The repeater builder list is about building repeaters, not buying
> them .. WHY do you and Russ even subscribe??? Free advertising
What
> You completely disagree with the entire concept of the forum...  then GO
> AWAY unless you just like to niggle and argue in which case you
get
> what you deserve
>
>  I am commercially in the business too, I do not use these forums
> to promote my company WHY DO YOU ? Do you think you are
> that much smarter that the rest of US  I can afford to buy any
repeater
> I want too as well.. But what sense is that unless you happen to like
> reading your callsign in a repeater directory for  an ego trip or
> somethingBuilding is about building.. craftsmanship...
> pride...education, and god forbid maybe even just ... the fun of
it
>
>  I think maybe you should just find another choir to preach to
>
> Doug Bade
> KD8B
>
>
>
> At 10:23 AM 3/25/2005, you wrote:
> >Thought police again!
> >What happened to free speech?
> >You do not like what someone says so
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

A few points Russ owns radio stations so
what business does he promote here?
I work for a company. I do not own 
it nor does Russ. Yes we can do things around 
here
and I mite say so. But we are so busy here
many time we can't help the Hams. When we do
many time we do not charge. 
If there is something that I know and can 
help with, I will if not I keep silent and go
on about things.  I am not a Ham so I do not 

need to see a call. I do not have a Ham call
listed any where as you stated.
Yes I know Russ he is a very
nice person I see him help many people, he just had converted 
over 20 900 MHz radios and gave them to all the older Hams in the area. Then he 
gave 8 900 MHz radios to all the Metro-Comm control oops'. This was all out of 
his pocket.
So bad guy I think not. This vote is crap. Plain 
and
simple WRONG!
So toss everyone off whom does not bow down
and kiss your feet.  None of this is helping 
any
one fix or "BUILD" any thing and is just not 
good.
Have a happy Easter!
Dean
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Mike/k1eg]

Yup your right Dean after all look at what a 
fool your making of yourself on here now and yes I will support your right to be 
a fool.

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:43 
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  I take the right of free speech serous!
  You should as well.
   













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Doug Bade]

 I read a very interesting column on the concept of free speech 
recently. It went something like thisYou assume that just because you 
can freely speak that you are not bound by the consequences of such action( 
or more specifically that there should not be any just because you have the 
right to speak) , and that we need to tolerate your opinion.. such is not 
the caseConsequences may easily include ridicule as well as argument 
and even potentially violence. Yes violence is even justified if your free 
speech effort included provocation to that end... Claim free speech and 
call someone a jerk in a bar and see what happens... Walk up to a police 
officer and say "I am going to kill you " or yell "BOMB" in an airport and 
see how free your speech is I wonder how much "free speech" you allow 
your employees to exercise...or how much you use at a local council meeting 
while you are asking the city to spend money with you... get real.

 Free speech thus is a transmitting and receiving process and needs 
to be tempered as such. I/we  have just as much right to tell you to stuff 
it as you do to say something. Free speech must be tempered with logic in 
where is and is not the right place to exercise it... The problem is that 
most people preaching about free speech are the last ones who should be 
exercising itIt generally becomes the last defense against self induced 
ridicule from exercising said free speech at THE WRONG TIME and PLACE.

 When you use free speech to be argumentative, you no longer will 
be carrying a constitutional and academic torch.. It will be viewed for 
what it is... argumentative..

 Just because you have the right to say something does not make us 
obligated to listen... The delete key is my option here as of late, but as 
a  list owner, I have banned folks and censored folks (Russ included) for 
disrupting the harmony of that group, as these forums are not a public 
right of gathering place.. This is not the public street corner... Free 
speech can be limited as the owner of the list sees fit based on his desire 
to maintain balance and harmony among the users of said list.
 Your freedom to post here is limited by the list owners desire to 
allow it... It is a not democracy.

 The repeater builder list is about building repeaters, not buying 
them .. WHY do you and Russ even subscribe??? Free advertising What 
You completely disagree with the entire concept of the forum...  then GO 
AWAY unless you just like to niggle and argue in which case you get 
what you deserve

 I am commercially in the business too, I do not use these forums 
to promote my company WHY DO YOU ? Do you think you are 
that much smarter that the rest of US  I can afford to buy any repeater 
I want too as well.. But what sense is that unless you happen to like 
reading your callsign in a repeater directory for  an ego trip or 
somethingBuilding is about building.. craftsmanship... 
pride...education, and god forbid maybe even just ... the fun of it

 I think maybe you should just find another choir to preach to

Doug Bade
KD8B



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

I take the right of free speech serous!
You should as well.
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Rick & Charlotte]

the ony one posting like crazy is you ..  at least Russ stoped .. 



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> You mite be next with the thought police!
> Think about it.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

You mite be next with the thought police!
Think about it.
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

Hey Steve,
I 100% agree with this well not the 78 e-mails
I think he is to busy to send that many he just 
bought
a radio station and plays with that. I do not agree 
with
Russ some times but this vote crap makes my blood
boil! IT IS JUST WRONG! Who will be next!
Dean Westbrook,
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Ronny Julian]

Unfortunately free speech on Yahoo groups is up to the group owner.  As 
far as suing someone that will not let you say what you want on their 
group, what state and court would that be?  Your state?  Theirs? CA 
where Yahoo is?

Next question is why would you bother?  Unsubscribe if you don't agree.  
Vote with your keyboard.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thought police again!
> What happened to free speech?
> You do not like what someone says so
> you have a poll?
> He was right this morning when he said you
> do not build GE or Motorola.
> I went to war and fought for the right of
> free speech as I am real sure others have on
> this list! Say something that is true and Kevin
> does not like, you have a poll against you.
> I hope Russ sues the hell out of some for this attack
> on his right for this. Just remember if you
> vote on this you could be next. This is wrong!
> Hitler started the same way! I guess I will be next!
> But remember I will not sit back if I am attacked by
> Kevin or any one else.
> Dean Westbrook!
>  
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[CookTowersInc]

Thought police again!
What happened to free speech?
You do not like what someone says so
you have a poll?
He was right this morning when he said you
do not build GE or Motorola. 
I went to war and fought for the right of
free speech as I am real sure others have on
this list! Say something that is true and Kevin
does not like, you have a poll against you.
I hope Russ sues the hell out of some for this 
attack
on his right for this. Just remember if you
vote on this you could be next. This is wrong!
Hitler started the same way! I guess I will be 
next!
But remember I will not sit back if I am attacked 
by
Kevin or any one else.
Dean Westbrook!
 
 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[STeve Andre']

I'm not going to "vote" on this.

Russ is expressing himself, and though I completely disagree with
him, HE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY SO.

It is one of a myriad of opinions on how to build a repeater.  That
you--or a group of others on this list--don't like it is irrelevant.

If you don't like what he says, delete the mail.  Stop whining about 
it.  Russ has not been abusive about it, he hasn't harassed people
with sending 78 emails a day on the subject, etc.

I for one can listen to many points of view and draw my own
conclusions.  I do not need people like you to tell me what is
useful on this list.

--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf

On Friday 25 March 2005 14:54, Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> Repeater-Builder group:
>
> Russ is on my last nurve because he says
> people that build repeaters from
> commercial components isn't really
> "building".  I'm wondering if we need a
> guy like Russ as a member of this forum?
> Should Russ stay, or should he go?
> You decide  The poll will end April
> 1, 2005
>
>   o Stay
>   o Go
>
>
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[Repeater-Builder] New poll for Repeater-Builder

[Repeater-Builder]

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
Repeater-Builder group:

Russ is on my last nurve because he says
people that build repeaters from
commercial components isn't really
"building".  I'm wondering if we need a
guy like Russ as a member of this forum?
Should Russ stay, or should he go?
You decide  The poll will end April
1, 2005 

  o Stay 
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