Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Bob M.]

I bought a box of 100 because I was dealing with six stations that had multiple 
missing screws. I probably used 30-40 of them, and they were all going into 
holes that previously had screws in them, so no tapping was required. 
Eventually we moved some of the T30 screws around to the blank panels and 
less-used assemblies.

Home Despot is horribly stocked with Metric hardware. We used to have a Sears 
Hardware store in town, but H-D conveniently did away with that venture. At 
least they had a lot of odd-ball stuff and managed to keep it in stock.

I still have plenty of the screws I bought. They're probably longer than 10mm 
but that's rarely a problem. I also managed to buy an M6x1 tap, so if I don't 
have a spare self-tapping screw, I can just run the tap in and get the job done 
that way. It's big and probably will never break.

Bob M.
==
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:44 AM
> Not a bad idea Bob.  The Lowes store nearby has M6x1x10 hex
> heads at 0.23 
> each.  Other suppliers probably have better pricing. 
> Motorola's pricing 
> looks like 0.15 each.
> 
> Milt
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws
> 
> 
> >I found that it's very easy to use one of the
> existing M6x1 T30 
> >self-tapping screws to tap any other virgin holes in
> the rack, then an 
> >ordinary M6x1 Phillips-head machine screw can be used
> in its place. I 
> >bought a box of 100 of them from a local hardware
> company for about $5 and 
> >replaced all the missing screws.
> >
> > OK, they're not black, they're not original,
> and they're not T30, but it's 
> > easier to put the new screws into the old holes in the
> most used locations 
> > and just use the Phillips driver from then on.
> >
> > Bob M.
> > ==
> > --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount
> clips/screws
> >> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 6:38 AM
> >> > Now Motorola cabinets on the other hand
> mostly have
> >> 1/4" holes for the
> >> > tinnerman nuts he was talking about...
> >>
> >> The current Motorola floor mount cabinets how have
> rack
> >> rails that are
> >> predrilled for metric screws.
> >> The size is M6x1.  The screws are a T30 Torx head
> and are
> >> self threading.
> >> Based on a quick check of Lowes' pricing for
> metric
> >> hardware it's cheaper to
> >> purchase the self threading screw from Motorola.
> >>
> >> Milt
> >> N3LTQ


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Milt]

Not a bad idea Bob.  The Lowes store nearby has M6x1x10 hex heads at 0.23 
each.  Other suppliers probably have better pricing.  Motorola's pricing 
looks like 0.15 each.

Milt

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws


>I found that it's very easy to use one of the existing M6x1 T30 
>self-tapping screws to tap any other virgin holes in the rack, then an 
>ordinary M6x1 Phillips-head machine screw can be used in its place. I 
>bought a box of 100 of them from a local hardware company for about $5 and 
>replaced all the missing screws.
>
> OK, they're not black, they're not original, and they're not T30, but it's 
> easier to put the new screws into the old holes in the most used locations 
> and just use the Phillips driver from then on.
>
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 6:38 AM
>> > Now Motorola cabinets on the other hand mostly have
>> 1/4" holes for the
>> > tinnerman nuts he was talking about...
>>
>> The current Motorola floor mount cabinets how have rack
>> rails that are
>> predrilled for metric screws.
>> The size is M6x1.  The screws are a T30 Torx head and are
>> self threading.
>> Based on a quick check of Lowes' pricing for metric
>> hardware it's cheaper to
>> purchase the self threading screw from Motorola.
>>
>> Milt
>> N3LTQ
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Bob M.]

I found that it's very easy to use one of the existing M6x1 T30 self-tapping 
screws to tap any other virgin holes in the rack, then an ordinary M6x1 
Phillips-head machine screw can be used in its place. I bought a box of 100 of 
them from a local hardware company for about $5 and replaced all the missing 
screws.

OK, they're not black, they're not original, and they're not T30, but it's 
easier to put the new screws into the old holes in the most used locations and 
just use the Phillips driver from then on.

Bob M.
==
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Milt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 6:38 AM
> > Now Motorola cabinets on the other hand mostly have
> 1/4" holes for the
> > tinnerman nuts he was talking about...
> 
> The current Motorola floor mount cabinets how have rack
> rails that are 
> predrilled for metric screws.
> The size is M6x1.  The screws are a T30 Torx head and are
> self threading. 
> Based on a quick check of Lowes' pricing for metric
> hardware it's cheaper to 
> purchase the self threading screw from Motorola.
> 
> Milt
> N3LTQ


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Kris Kirby]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Milt wrote:
> The current Motorola floor mount cabinets how have rack rails that are 
> predrilled for metric screws. The size is M6x1.  The screws are a T30 
> Torx head and are self threading. Based on a quick check of Lowes' 
> pricing for metric hardware it's cheaper to purchase the self 
> threading screw from Motorola.

What's the locale of manufacture? China?

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Milt]

> Now Motorola cabinets on the other hand mostly have 1/4" holes for the
> tinnerman nuts he was talking about...

The current Motorola floor mount cabinets how have rack rails that are 
predrilled for metric screws.
The size is M6x1.  The screws are a T30 Torx head and are self threading. 
Based on a quick check of Lowes' pricing for metric hardware it's cheaper to 
purchase the self threading screw from Motorola.

Milt
N3LTQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[wd8chl]

John J. Riddell wrote:
> One problem that I have found with pre-threaded 10-32 holes on racks etc, is 
> that they paint them
> after they thread the holes. If you try to turn a screw in these holes, it 
> will likely twist off.

Painting rack rails? Yikes...

> 
> The best way to clean them out is to get a 10-32 tap and put it on the drill 
> chuck and carefully
> run it in.   Some racks that we use at work, have a peice of steel just 
> behind the rack screw holes so you
> have to be really careful with a drill tap in these or you'll twist the tap 
> off.
> 
> We use 10-32 Robertson screws,  square head type.  (A Canadian invention).
> 
> For racks with slightly larger holes that are not threaded, we use 12-24 
> self tapping screws.
> 
> I think the original question on this thread was to find the clips for those 
> racks that have a square
> hole in them instead of 10-32 holes, and several people have given good 
> suggestions as to where to
> locate these.
> 
> 
> John VE3AMZ

Yeah-I've seen some with that thread too-a bit tougher to find screws 
for it, yes.

I saw where he mentioned GE cabinets, and all the ones I've seen had 
10-32 threaded holes or holes drilled to the size to thread as 10-32.
In fact, the Mastr III's I helped install 2 years ago were set up for 
that, and we had some minor issues with the racks the customer wanted 
them in, since they were the 12-24 style microwave racks, and we didn't 
have any 12-24 screws...emergency trip to nearest hardware store...

Now Motorola cabinets on the other hand mostly have 1/4" holes for the 
tinnerman nuts he was talking about...

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Eric Lemmon]

Perhaps one should not assume that the rails are threaded 10-32, without
verification.  All of the racks I have purchased in the past three years are
pre-threaded 12-24, not 10-32.  The racks were made by Bud Industries:
www.budind.com/pdf/hb1272.pdf

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John J. Riddell
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:39 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

One problem that I have found with pre-threaded 10-32 holes on racks etc, is

that they paint them
after they thread the holes. If you try to turn a screw in these holes, it 
will likely twist off.

The best way to clean them out is to get a 10-32 tap and put it on the drill

chuck and carefully
run it in. Some racks that we use at work, have a peice of steel just 
behind the rack screw holes so you
have to be really careful with a drill tap in these or you'll twist the tap 
off.

We use 10-32 Robertson screws, square head type. (A Canadian invention).

For racks with slightly larger holes that are not threaded, we use 12-24 
self tapping screws.

I think the original question on this thread was to find the clips for those

racks that have a square
hole in them instead of 10-32 holes, and several people have given good 
suggestions as to where to
locate these.

John VE3AMZ

- Original Message - 
From: "wd8chl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wd8chl%40gmail.com> >
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

> Most GE and Glenayre cabinets have either 10-32 threaded holes already,
> or holes designed to be threaded to 10-32. The screws used on Glenayre
> cabinets are self-tapping 10-32's. Put a 5/16" nutdriver bit on your
> drill and run 'em in, it'll thread right up.
>
>
> Butch Kanvick wrote:
>> The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto
>> parts stores but I think they are a little spendey.
>>
>> They do come in different gauge (screw) sizes, I think the GE ones
>> are #10. I have found them in bulk, but they are black and not
>> silver.
>>
>> The model number is stamped on the tinerman clips.
>>
>> McMasters also might be for a source.
>>
>> Butch, KE7FEL/r
>>
>>
>>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.comFrom> : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:soury%40lexcominc.netDate> :
>> Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:45:17 +Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount
>> clips/screws
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone,Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and
>> screws for the rackmount cabinet rails.Either type (that was used
>> with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will work. What few I have are
>> used up and needing additional to mount more equipment.73 and
>> thanks,DougN4TZD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 



 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[John J. Riddell]

One problem that I have found with pre-threaded 10-32 holes on racks etc, is 
that they paint them
after they thread the holes. If you try to turn a screw in these holes, it 
will likely twist off.

The best way to clean them out is to get a 10-32 tap and put it on the drill 
chuck and carefully
run it in.   Some racks that we use at work, have a peice of steel just 
behind the rack screw holes so you
have to be really careful with a drill tap in these or you'll twist the tap 
off.

We use 10-32 Robertson screws,  square head type.  (A Canadian invention).

For racks with slightly larger holes that are not threaded, we use 12-24 
self tapping screws.

I think the original question on this thread was to find the clips for those 
racks that have a square
hole in them instead of 10-32 holes, and several people have given good 
suggestions as to where to
locate these.


John VE3AMZ


- Original Message - 
From: "wd8chl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws


> Most GE and Glenayre cabinets have either 10-32 threaded holes already,
> or holes designed to be threaded to 10-32. The screws used on Glenayre
> cabinets are self-tapping 10-32's. Put a 5/16" nutdriver bit on your
> drill and run 'em in, it'll thread right up.
>
>
> Butch Kanvick wrote:
>> The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto
>> parts stores but I think they are a little spendey.
>>
>> They do come in different gauge (screw) sizes, I think the GE ones
>> are #10. I have found them in bulk, but they are black and not
>> silver.
>>
>> The model number is stamped on the tinerman clips.
>>
>> McMasters also might be for a source.
>>
>> Butch, KE7FEL/r
>>
>>
>>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:45:17 +Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount
>> clips/screws
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone,Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and
>> screws for the rackmount cabinet rails.Either type (that was used
>> with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will work. What few I have are
>> used up and needing additional to mount more equipment.73 and
>> thanks,DougN4TZD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[wd8chl]

Most GE and Glenayre cabinets have either 10-32 threaded holes already, 
or holes designed to be threaded to 10-32. The screws used on Glenayre 
cabinets are self-tapping 10-32's. Put a 5/16" nutdriver bit on your 
drill and run 'em in, it'll thread right up.


Butch Kanvick wrote:
> The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto
> parts stores but I think they are a little spendey.
> 
> They do come in different gauge (screw) sizes, I think the GE ones
> are #10. I have found them in bulk, but they are black and not
> silver.
> 
> The model number is stamped on the tinerman clips.
> 
> McMasters also might be for a source.
> 
> Butch, KE7FEL/r
> 
> 
> 
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:45:17 +Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount
> clips/screws
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and
> screws for the rackmount cabinet rails.Either type (that was used
> with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will work. What few I have are
> used up and needing additional to mount more equipment.73 and
> thanks,DougN4TZD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Rob]

Check out Parts Express:


$4.99 for qty=10



- Rob


n9wys wrote:
> My 2¢ worth...
> 
> I have heard these referred to as "Speed Nuts".  McMaster-Carr shows the
> ones I am familiar with in their catalog, calling them “U-style clip-on
> nuts”.  (I found them by doing a search for "speed nuts".)  These are
> designed to use sheet metal-type screws, which is what I usually see in
> radio cabinet rails.
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of no6b
> 
> At 8/22/2008 23:50, you wrote:
>> The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto parts 
>> stores but I think they are a little spendey.
> 
> The ones that are threaded for machine screws are called cage nuts.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_nut  
> 
> 10-32 would be the best thread size to use, since it's a defacto 19" rack 
> mount standard.  I've also seen racks tapped with 12-24, but that screw 
> size isn't as easy to find.
> 
> Bob NO6B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Mike Pugh]

Go to your local musician supply store. Thee is a company called SKB 
cases (or something really close to that). The manufacture musician's 
road cases that use clip and screws that will fit what you are looking 
for. Mike

souryatlexcomincdotnet wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and screws for the 
> rackmount cabinet rails.
> Either type (that was used with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will 
> work. What few I have are used up and needing additional to mount more 
> equipment.
>
> 73 and thanks,
> Doug
> N4TZD
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>   

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[n9wys]

My 2¢ worth...

I have heard these referred to as "Speed Nuts".  McMaster-Carr shows the
ones I am familiar with in their catalog, calling them “U-style clip-on
nuts”.  (I found them by doing a search for "speed nuts".)  These are
designed to use sheet metal-type screws, which is what I usually see in
radio cabinet rails.

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of no6b

At 8/22/2008 23:50, you wrote:
>The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto parts 
>stores but I think they are a little spendey.

The ones that are threaded for machine screws are called cage nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_nut  

10-32 would be the best thread size to use, since it's a defacto 19" rack 
mount standard.  I've also seen racks tapped with 12-24, but that screw 
size isn't as easy to find.

Bob NO6B

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Kris Kirby]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 10-32 would be the best thread size to use, since it's a defacto 19" 
> rack mount standard.  I've also seen racks tapped with 12-24, but that 
> screw size isn't as easy to find.

10-32 and 12-24 are very common screws for rackmounting. All you have to 
do is google "rack screws" and several sources show up.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[no6b]

At 8/22/2008 23:50, you wrote:
>The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto parts 
>stores but I think they are a little spendey.

The ones that are threaded for machine screws are called cage nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_nut

10-32 would be the best thread size to use, since it's a defacto 19" rack 
mount standard.  I've also seen racks tapped with 12-24, but that screw 
size isn't as easy to find.

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[John J. Riddell]

Hammond Mfg has them...they are 10 - 32 nuts. They are also available in 
metric and a few other sizes
as well.
73 John VE3AMZ
- Original Message - 
From: "souryatlexcomincdotnet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws


> Hello Everyone,
> Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and screws for the
> rackmount cabinet rails.
> Either type (that was used with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will
> work. What few I have are used up and needing additional to mount more
> equipment.
>
> 73 and thanks,
> Doug
> N4TZD
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Butch Kanvick]

The clips are called tinerman clips and I have found them at auto parts stores 
but I think they are a little spendey.
 
They do come in different gauge (screw) sizes, I think the GE ones are #10. I 
have found them in bulk, but they are black and not silver.
 
The model number is stamped on the tinerman clips. 
 
McMasters also might be for a source.
 
Butch, KE7FEL/r 



To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:45:17 
+Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws




Hello Everyone,Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and screws for 
the rackmount cabinet rails.Either type (that was used with the GE and Motorola 
cabinets) will work. What few I have are used up and needing additional to 
mount more equipment.73 and thanks,DougN4TZD 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[Maire-Radios]

Lowes has them also Ace 


  - Original Message - 
  From: souryatlexcomincdotnet 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:45 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws


  Hello Everyone,
  Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and screws for the 
  rackmount cabinet rails.
  Either type (that was used with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will 
  work. What few I have are used up and needing additional to mount more 
  equipment.

  73 and thanks,
  Doug
  N4TZD



   

[Repeater-Builder] Rackmount clips/screws

[souryatlexcomincdotnet]

Hello Everyone,
Does anybody have a source for the spring clips and screws for the 
rackmount cabinet rails.
Either type (that was used with the GE and Motorola cabinets) will 
work. What few I have are used up and needing additional to mount more 
equipment.

73 and thanks,
Doug
N4TZD