[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Purc 5000 As A Repeater?

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Huber
There is a third controller. Advance Controller used in the simulcast 
models. Completely programmable from the key pad. Has audio delay built 
in for the simulcast delays. Watt meter and the software can set 
deviation, audio eq. frequency's. I am simulcasting a 350 watt and 100 
watt on 2 meters.

http://www.n6icw.org/equip1.htm


I use the rf shelf with a 902 Rx that come from the control hub of the 
system.

The Advance Controller has a 4 character display. 16 button key pad for 
programing.

PTT and Tx audio input using DB-25 socket on the side of the cabinet.

Audio can be heard live direct off the controller at:

http://72.245.148.218:8022/listen.pls


Chris N6ICW


[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Purc 5000 As A Repeater?

2007-10-25 Thread kk2ed
The PURC5000 came in two versions -

Early CxxJLB stations, similar to early MSFs, where the 2732 eprom is 
programmed via the R1801 for frequency, etc.

Later CxxJXB stations, while similar to later MSFs, DID NOT need RSS. 
There is a 10 or 12 button keypad, and a red LED scrolling display 
(similar to the later NUC stations), which can be used to set a 
number of station parameters, such as frequency, key tones, etc.  
HOWEVER, in order to be able to change the frequencies, there is a 
DIP switch on the control board that needs to be turned on to allow 
the changes to take effect. Otherwise, the display will show the 
current frequencies programmed for CH1,CH2, etc, but itnot accept 
changes.

Most of the PURC5000s came with a link receiver drawer just below 
the HSO. This is simply a tray with a Micor RF/IF board, a Micor 
style audio/squelch board (usually modified for flat audio by using a 
different resistor value in the preamp op-amp stage before the PL 
filter in/out), and usually a DPL board.  Plus there is a verticle 
interconnect board to tie it all together, supply regulated 9.6v and 
12v from a single 12v feed, and provide all signals out to a 10-pin 
header connector. This header connector then ties to the MSF5000 
control board via a 10-conductor ribbon cable.

I've taken these receiver trays out of old PURC5000s, swapped the 
70MHz RF/IF board with a 450 mobile RF/IF board, swapped the DPL 
board for a PL board, and wired a 8-conductor shielded cable from the 
interconnect board out to a DB9 connector, and ran a fused DC power 
cable into it.  Makes an excellent voting site receiver, or a great 
repeater receiver if using a repeater other than a Micor Compa-
station.

I think I still have a stack of them in my shop. I kept a few for ham 
project when the last of the PURC5000s were decommissioned.  

I can still remember years ago when my Motorola rep would make his 
monthly lunch visit. One day he excitedly called me to tell me he was 
bringing me a new protoype paging transmitter - 300 watts, and he 
could carry it in the trunk of his sedan with only one person needed 
to lift it in and out. Thinking of the 300w PURC5000s, which weren't 
in the shallow compa-station cabinets like MSFs, but rather in 6ft 
tall 24 square cabinets, requiring an army to move, we thought he 
was crazy, until we actually saw it in his trunk. Shortly thereafter, 
60 PURC5000s went to the boneyard, and over 300 Nucleus stations soon 
followed.

Some Motorola trivia - while the PURC5000 was a retrofitted MSF5000, 
the Quantar actually was derived from the Nucleus station, which came 
first.  

Speaking of Nucleus stations - anyone wanting to make a 900 Nucleus 
into a repeater - keep your eyes out for what was known as 
an ADVANCED CONTROL Nucleus - basically, instead of an NIU (Network 
Interface Unit which is fed via a satellite synchronous RS232 data 
stream link), the station came with an Advanced Control board, which 
allowed either a standard RF link receiver or wireline control.  
Early versions included a PURC500 style receiver tray bolted below 
the power amplifier (same receiver as the PURC5000s mentioned above), 
while later versions utilized the internal card receiver (like a 
Quantar). 

The link control card is matched to the Station Control Module (SCM), 
so when switching out the link control card, the SCM also needs to be 
replaced. Later version software also required the exciter to be 
replaced whenever the SCM is changed, as they are known as a matched 
pair which is factory aligned. 

The advantage of the Advanced Control version is that the exciter 
can be modulated in the analog domain - perfect for amateur use.   
Unfortunately, this version is extremely rare, and only a handful 
were sold. It was designed as a replacement for the later PURC5000. 
The main market was those who had RF or wireline linked PURC500O 
simulcast systems, and needed new units for coverage expansion during 
the period after the PURC5000 was discontinued. But by that time, 
most of the larger paging carriers went to satellite-based linking of 
their simulcast networks, and mass converted to NIU-based NUCs, thus 
the reason they are so rare. 

BTW, if any of you have any 900 NUCs sitting in your warehouses, I'll 
buy as many as I can find. Let me know...

Eric
KE2D



--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What keypad???
 
 The PURC 5000 does not have a keypad.
 
 The Nucleus does, however.  It is the Quantar-based paging
 transmitter that came after the PURC5000.
 
 The real PURC 5000 came in two flavors.
 Is there a three digit display on the top right of the panel?  If 
so,
 then it takes RSS.
 If there is no display then it takes a 2732 family PROM.
 
 The MSF page at repeater-builder has all the gory details.
 
 Mike WA6ILQ
 
 At 09:08 PM 10/24/07, you wrote:
 Can the station be programmed via the keypad or does it take RSS?
 
 Randy
 
 
 
 Jay Urish wrote:
  
   I 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Purc 5000 As A Repeater?

2007-10-25 Thread n6icw
Forgot to add this link with a picture. The controller is near the
bottom of the rack.

http://picasaweb.google.com/147195/MtVacaVHF/photo#4981359282084773906

Chris N6ICW


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What keypad???
 
 The PURC 5000 does not have a keypad.
 
 The Nucleus does, however.  It is the Quantar-based paging
 transmitter that came after the PURC5000.
 
 The real PURC 5000 came in two flavors.
 Is there a three digit display on the top right of the panel?  If so,
 then it takes RSS.
 If there is no display then it takes a 2732 family PROM.
 
 The MSF page at repeater-builder has all the gory details.
 
 Mike WA6ILQ
 
 At 09:08 PM 10/24/07, you wrote:
 Can the station be programmed via the keypad or does it take RSS?
 
 Randy
 
 
 
 Jay Urish wrote:
  
   I was looking to go this route for a long time. If you can plug
a local
   mic into the PURC, then you could use a maxtrac as RX and just put a
   controller in between.
  
   wb0vhb wrote:
   
   
Anyone with any experience turning a VHF PURC 5000 into a
repeater?
   
Randy
   
   
  
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Purc 5000 As A Repeater?

2007-10-25 Thread n6icw
There is a third controller. Advance Controller used in the simulcast
models. Completely programmable from the key pad. Has audio delay
built in for the simulcast delays. Watt meter and the software can set
deviation, audio eq. frequency's. I am simulcasting a 350 watt and 100
watt on 2 meters.

http://www.n6icw.org/equip1.htm


I use the rf shelf with a 902 Rx that come from the control hub of the
system.

The Advance Controller has a 4 character display. 16 button key pad
for programing.

PTT and Tx audio input using DB-25 socket on the side of the cabinet.

Audio can be heard live direct off the controller at:

http://72.245.148.218:8022/listen.pls


Chris N6ICW