[Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
Get well Cort... The only problem I can see with running only from CD is saving data. However, if you can boot to a CD and save to the floppy then life might be peachy. The other purple dragon (problem) is the com port hardware, another whole topic unto itself. s. Cort Buffington c...@... wrote: Hi guys, this may be a bit OT. I've been sick lately and not keeping up, but caught Skipp's reply. I've been using a live CD of FreeDos to run all of my ancient motorola RSS packages on. I've been completely successful in running RSS such as version 1.0 of the radius mobiles under the FreeDos live CD on a Celeron 2.4GHz machine... no tricks. I went through tons of iterations of how to keep old stuff for DOS alive. Finally this thing has been the magic bullet for me.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of my junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple dragons would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the FreeDOS folks yet. Here's the config: Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can move files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16 partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS. Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter. On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:15 PM, skipp025 wrote: Get well Cort... The only problem I can see with running only from CD is saving data. However, if you can boot to a CD and save to the floppy then life might be peachy. The other purple dragon (problem) is the com port hardware, another whole topic unto itself. s. Cort Buffington c...@... wrote: Hi guys, this may be a bit OT. I've been sick lately and not keeping up, but caught Skipp's reply. I've been using a live CD of FreeDos to run all of my ancient motorola RSS packages on. I've been completely successful in running RSS such as version 1.0 of the radius mobiles under the FreeDos live CD on a Celeron 2.4GHz machine... no tricks. I went through tons of iterations of how to keep old stuff for DOS alive. Finally this thing has been the magic bullet for me. -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
Cort, What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)? Dennis On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington c...@lawrence-ks.org wrote: Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of my junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple dragons would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the FreeDOS folks yet. Here's the config: Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can move files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16 partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS. Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter. -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
It's a Celeron 2.4GHz with, I think 1GB of RAM. Some integrated Intel video. It's a cheap e-machines about 4-5 years old. On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Wade wrote: Cort, What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)? Dennis On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington c...@lawrence-ks.org wrote: Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of my junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple dragons would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the FreeDOS folks yet. Here's the config: Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can move files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16 partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS. Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter. -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
Joe k1ike_m...@... wrote: I too have a Digital HiNote VP500 laptop! Seek professional help Joe... :-) Mine boots up to an old DOS program called AUTOMENU Ver 3.01 by Magee Enterprises . This brings up a menu of DOS programs, plus a choice to go to Win98. This makes it nice and easy to boot the system pick the RSS software I want to use. I've also got an original Menu Program on my Dos 6.22 machine running the prom/eprom programs (a real 286). More and more of the radio software works with Windoze so I just boot Windows 98se and exit to dos when required. The other menu program I has is on an old Windoze 3.11 machine... a blazin' 486 DX II BTW, my HiNote has a glitch with the external mouse. Sometimes it goes crazy, unplugging and plugging it back in sometimes fixes it. Sometimes I have to reboot. I can't use the touch pad mouse because it is bad. I do have a spare keyboard, but can't figure out how to get the old one off without destroying the computer. My battery is completely dead. Skipp, any suggestions? 73, Joe, K1ike Yep, Ebay for used/dead computers... just like I did. You'll get some decent deals and sometimes taken when buying parts computers. Replacement batteries are history... so I just use my from wall power. Try not to get raped by the excessive shipping amounts some people try to charge... trying to retire off/from ebay shipping (over) charges. s. skipp025 wrote: Hi Mark, I have not found a Dos - Radio Programming Program that I haven't been able to run in/on my vintage Digital HiNote VP Laptop. And I've tried similar setups many other laptops...
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
OK...thanks Cort. I am left wondering (and confused..nothing unusual there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz modern machine can successfully run DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port issues. I've tried a modern (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a celeron) Win98SE machine booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with no joy. My ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works like a charm. Am I missing something? Thanks for the info. Dennis On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cort Buffington c...@lawrence-ks.org wrote: It's a Celeron 2.4GHz with, I think 1GB of RAM. Some integrated Intel video. It's a cheap e-machines about 4-5 years old. On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Wade wrote: Cort, What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)? Dennis On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington c...@lawrence-ks.org wrote: Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of my junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple dragons would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the FreeDOS folks yet. Here's the config: Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can move files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16 partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS. Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter. -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206 -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
And while I've heard of and had numerous problems with using (and I love your quotes on this -- seriously) modern machines, this combo just seems to work really, really well. I have suspected that it has something to do with what's going on in FreeDOS, but honestly, once it worked, I hugged the machine and didn't keep digging. I don't know how it works, but it just does :) On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Dennis Wade wrote: OK...thanks Cort. I am left wondering (and confused..nothing unusual there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz modern machine can successfully run DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port issues. I've tried a modern (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a celeron) Win98SE machine booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with no joy. My ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works like a charm. Am I missing something? Thanks for the info. Dennis On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cort Buffington c...@lawrence-ks.org wrote: It's a Celeron 2.4GHz with, I think 1GB of RAM. Some integrated Intel video. It's a cheap e-machines about 4-5 years old. On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Wade wrote: Cort, What's the hardware config for the machine that's running XP Pro (CPU type/speed, etc)? Dennis On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Cort Buffington c...@lawrence-ks.org wrote: Oh yeah, I keep a small FAT16 partition on the machine that I run the RSS from and store files to. FreeDOS boots up, I change drives and run all of my junk from there... Now, if I had to use a USB-serial adapter, purple dragons would most likely arise. I've not dug into any of that support from the FreeDOS folks yet. Here's the config: Main Operating system is WinXP Pro. Small partition that's FAT16. I can move files in and out of the FAT16 partition from WinXP. When I need to run the ancient stuff, pop in the FreeDOS live CD, boot up, CD to the FAT16 partition (it doesn't even see the NTFS partition) and away I go. It's worked out well for me, but of course, it won't work for everyone. My experiments have been limited to old Motorola RSS. Before this I went to huge lengths to try and get real DOS to boot off a small partition, etc. Something always didn't work. Serial drivers, drive geometries, etc. Emulators... same story. Once I hit this combination, it did everything I needed it to, so I've been stable here since last winter. -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206 -- Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dennis Wade sacramento.cycl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dennis Wade sacramento.cycl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:29 PM OK...thanks Cort. I am left wondering (and confused..nothing unusual there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz modern machine can successfully run DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port issues. I've tried a modern (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a celeron) Win98SE machine booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with no joy. My ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works like a charm. Am I missing something? Thanks for the info. Dennis Old softwear may not run on a fast computer due to timming issues with the serial ports. I have forgotten the exect reason, but is something like the fast computer polls the serial port somany times. The faster computer does this before the new data is present on the serial port. The softwear should have been written so the serial port would interrupt the program as would be the more normal practice. At work we have the same problem with some of the instrumentaion and inverters that are programmed with a laptop.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
I have actually run legitimate MS DOS on the exact same computer and had the timing problems. On Jan 18, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Dennis Wade sacramento.cycl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dennis Wade sacramento.cycl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:29 PM OK...thanks Cort. I am left wondering (and confused..nothing unusual there..lol) as to how a 2.4 ghz modern machine can successfully run DOS-based Moto RSS, for one reason the UART/serial port issues. I've tried a modern (i.e. both a 1ghz PIII and a celeron) Win98SE machine booted to DOS as Jim Brown describes to run Moto RSS with no joy. My ancient PI Acer desktop booted to DOS (about 160 mhz) works like a charm. Am I missing something? Thanks for the info. Dennis Old softwear may not run on a fast computer due to timming issues with the serial ports. I have forgotten the exect reason, but is something like the fast computer polls the serial port somany times. The faster computer does this before the new data is present on the serial port. The softwear should have been written so the serial port would interrupt the program as would be the more normal practice. At work we have the same problem with some of the instrumentaion and inverters that are programmed with a laptop. -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se
Legitimate MS DOS? Some historians would consider that an oxymoron! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Cort Buffington To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Running or Booting Dos Radio Programs in - with Windows 98se I have actually run legitimate MS DOS on the exact same computer and had the timing problems. .
