[Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating!
Hi It sound like you do not have pin #1 in the external connector grounded. It disables the internal controller functions when using an external connector. I have an almost identical setup (TKR-820 and Cat 300) and do not have the problem you mentioned. But I do not have the manuals only the technical info that is on the web. Byron NJ7J Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:23:26 -0600 From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating! Before you all banish me to the outer reaches of Mongolia - or somewhere else - because of all the questions I keep posing about this machine, please understand that I have tried to research this issue in the technical material I have available to me and I keep coming up empty. This is why I keep prodding. I know there is quite a wealth of knowledge here, so I'm trying to tap into some of that knowledge. That being said, here's the latest on this frustrating issue. I have a TKR-820 interfaced with a CAT-300 repeater controller. The CAT-300 operates fine, whether the internal controller is turned ON or OFF. The only issue I have is with the internal timeout timer. Previously, the repeater would shut itself down after 2-1/2 minutes when the internal controller circuitry was turned OFF. (REPEAT button OFF) The external controller was set for a much longer time, so I knew it wasn't the CAT-300 causing the problem. I went to the site a few days ago, and adjusted the TOT pot on the internal controller to its maximum (5 min). I then made certain that the external controller's TOT was set shorter (4 min) than the internal one - worked just fine. (So I thought.) I departed. Apparently, I departed prematurely. (No jokes here, OK? Hehehehe) Anyway, this evening I heard two stations using the repeater and at 5 minutes the repeater dropped. DAMN!! I went back out to the repeater site to trouble check some more. I found that if I unplug the external controller and have the internal REPEAT function turned ON, the internal controller controls the machine - I expected this. (Not what I want!) If I unplug the external controller and have the REPEAT function turned OFF, the repeater does not repeat - plug the controller back in, and the repeater works. (This IS what I want!) However, if I don't turn the REPEAT function ON, the repeater times itself out way too soon - I presume that this is because of the INTERNAL timeout timer. So, how do I totally disable the internal timeout timer? It is becoming more apparent that the timeout timer functions in two ways - the first, as a repeater timeout timer (of course); but secondly, as a stuck mic timeout timer when the radio is in base station configuration (simplex operation). This has really frustrated me, and now I'm on a quest to figure out just how to shut that damned internal timeout timer off once and for all. Any suggestions?? Can I just unplug the internal controller board altogether? Mark - N9WYS Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating!
Byron, It sounds like we have identical repeaters - TKR-820 with CAT-300 controllers... I was pretty certain that I needed to ground Pin 1 before the external controller would work at all, but I'll go back and check that out! If memory serves me, I grounded it to chassis ground in the repeater itself. Does Pin 1 need to be brought into and grounded in the CAT-300 controller? Maybe *that's* where my problem is coming up... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hellewell, Byron Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating! Hi It sound like you do not have pin #1 in the external connector grounded. It disables the internal controller functions when using an external connector. I have an almost identical setup (TKR-820 and Cat 300) and do not have the problem you mentioned. But I do not have the manuals only the technical info that is on the web. Byron NJ7J Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating!
Before you all banish me to the outer reaches of Mongolia - or somewhere else - because of all the questions I keep posing about this machine, please understand that I have tried to research this issue in the technical material I have available to me and I keep coming up empty. This is why I keep prodding. I know there is quite a wealth of knowledge here, so Im trying to tap into some of that knowledge That being said, heres the latest on this frustrating issue. I have a TKR-820 interfaced with a CAT-300 repeater controller. The CAT-300 operates fine, whether the internal controller is turned ON or OFF. The only issue I have is with the internal timeout timer. Previously, the repeater would shut itself down after 2-1/2 minutes when the internal controller circuitry was turned OFF. (REPEAT button OFF) The external controller was set for a much longer time, so I knew it wasnt the CAT-300 causing the problem. I went to the site a few days ago, and adjusted the TOT pot on the internal controller to its maximum (5 min). I then made certain that the external controllers TOT was set shorter (4 min) than the internal one worked just fine. (So I thought) I departed. Apparently, I departed prematurely. (No jokes here, OK? Hehehehe) Anyway, this evening I heard two stations using the repeater and at 5 minutes the repeater dropped. DAMN!! I went back out to the repeater site to trouble check some more. I found that if I unplug the external controller and have the internal REPEAT function turned ON, the internal controller controls the machine I expected this. (Not what I want!) If I unplug the external controller and have the REPEAT function turned OFF, the repeater does not repeat plug the controller back in, and the repeater works. (This IS what I want!) However, if I dont turn the REPEAT function ON, the repeater times itself out way too soon I presume that this is because of the INTERNAL timeout timer So, how do I totally disable the internal timeout timer? It is becoming more apparent that the timeout timer functions in two ways the first, as a repeater timeout timer (of course); but secondly, as a stuck mic timeout timer when the radio is in base station configuration (simplex operation) This has really frustrated me, and now Im on a quest to figure out just how to shut that damned internal timeout timer off once and for all. Any suggestions?? Can I just unplug the internal controller board altogether? Mark N9WYS YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating!
sounds like you need to try to rewire the whole system, separate the TX and the RX and wire them into the CAT 300 separately. i have never been fond of systems that use an internal controller. i would rather have 2 separate radios, one for TX and one for RX and tie them into the controller. just my 2 cents worth. 73 STEVE - KC8RSR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kc8rsr.tripod.com/ AIM / YAHOO = KC8RSR ---Original Message--- From: N9WYS Date: 11/09/05 22:24:11 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 Timeout Timer Problem - Frustrating! Before you all banish me to the outer reaches of Mongolia - or somewhere else - because of all the questions I keep posing about this machine, please understand that I have tried to research this issue in the technical material I have available to me and I keep coming up empty. This is why I keep prodding. I know there is quite a wealth of knowledge here, so Im trying to tap into some of that knowledge That being said, heres the latest on this frustrating issue. I have a TKR-820 interfaced with a CAT-300 repeater controller. The CAT-300 operates fine, whether the internal controller is turned ON or OFF. The only issue I have is with the internal timeout timer. Previously, the repeater would shut itself down after 2-1/2 minutes when the internal controller circuitry was turned OFF. (REPEAT button OFF) The external controller was set for a much longer time, so I knew it wasnt the CAT-300 causing the problem. I went to the site a few days ago, and adjusted the TOT pot on the internal controller to its maximum (5 min). I then made certain that the external controllers TOT was set shorter (4 min) than the internal one worked just fine. (So I thought ) I departed. Apparently, I departed prematurely. (No jokes here, OK? Hehehehe) Anyway, this evening I heard two stations using the repeater and at 5 minutes the repeater dropped. DAMN!! I went back out to the repeater site to trouble check some more. I found that if I unplug the external controller and have the internal REPEAT function turned ON, the internal controller controls the machine I expected this. (Not what I want!) If I unplug the external controller and have the REPEAT function turned OFF, the repeater does not repeat plug the controller back in, and the repeater works. (This IS what I want!) However, if I dont turn the REPEAT function ON, the repeater times itself out way too soon I presume that this is because of the INTERNAL timeout timer So, how do I totally disable the internal timeout timer? It is becoming more apparent that the timeout timer functions in two ways the first, as a repeater timeout timer (of course); but secondly, as a stuck mic timeout timer when the radio is in base station configuration (simplex operation) This has really frustrated me, and now Im on a quest to figure out just how to shut that damned internal timeout timer off once and for all. Any suggestions?? Can I just unplug the internal controller board altogether? Mark N9WYS YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group Repeater-Builder on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
