Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Jim Brown]

In my case, without an antenna there was no way to key it up - HI

73 - Jim  W5ZIT

Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
 
 > Mine was on the air - but not active at the time the ax was applied  
 > to the hard line.  You are my coordinator, but I never did let you  
 > know it was down - sorry.  But back up now, with a new connector and  
 > jumper.
 >
 > 73 - Jim  W5ZIT  (N5SN)  443.9
 
 Another argument for never putting a system on-air without an  
 isolator?  ;-)
 
 --
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Nate Duehr]

On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> Mine was on the air - but not active at the time the ax was applied  
> to the hard line.  You are my coordinator, but I never did let you  
> know it was down - sorry.  But back up now, with a new connector and  
> jumper.
>
> 73 - Jim  W5ZIT  (N5SN)  443.9

Another argument for never putting a system on-air without an  
isolator?  ;-)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MikeDeWaele]

Being a fire chief one of the standard questions I always ask at any fire is " 
do you have any loaded fire arms inside?" When loaded guns get hot the shell 
discharges just like it is being fired! Doesn't matter if the safety is on or 
not. 

I personally like the animal electric fence idea. Hook it up to a  relay set up 
so it can be turned off remotely by touch tone.

Mike Ka2ndw

  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 
Ron Wright
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:02 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


  There have been a number of cases where a store or home owner wired a "booby 
trap" and someone got injured.

  Outlawing this is the law in many states. It is mainly due to the intruder 
might be a family member or fireman, etc trying to get in for good reasons.

  I would think it best for any prosecution that it depends on what actually 
happened, but then again often one does not want someone putting in these 
devices.

  Maybe use a lower voltage such as from a animal electric fence. Know would 
prefer to fry the intruder.

  73, ron, n9ee/r

  >From: n9wys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Date: 2008/04/23 Wed PM 09:54:47 CDT
  >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

  > 
  >There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar... The bar was
  >burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V.
  >Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day
  >- still in the window. 
  >
  >The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor tried to prosecute
  >the owner for reckless conduct... unsuccessfully, but the guy still has the
  >arrest on his record.
  >
  >Mark - N9WYS
  >
  >-Original Message-
  >From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH
  >
  >Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 
  >through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 
  >(or even as an unterminated open circuit)
  >
  >That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 
  >was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
  >
  >I know excessive force.
  >But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
  >Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
  >
  >Joe M.
  >
  > 

  Ron Wright, N9EE
  727-376-6575
  MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
  Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
  No tone, all are welcome.



   

RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Robert Pease]

I guess you are right... DOH
lol
Maybe you'll get lucky and be the last cable cut!
Rob



From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Paul Plack
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:42 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



 
OK, Rob, I'll bite...
 
If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you?
 
This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, "...d'oh!"
 
73,
Paul, AE4KR


From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Robert Pease
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



 
Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to 
think this was a weapon list.
 
Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if 
someone tampered with it.
 
Rob - KS4EC



From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Steve
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



 
At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with 
silencers, makes security a little quieter.
 
Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to 
a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 
28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the 
bad guys crapping their pants and away you go.  I know most repeater sights are 
out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense 
bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are 
all ready wound up tight from doing the crime.  I would guess some dna samples 
could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. 
 
OH well my 3 cents worth. 
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wright <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM
    Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


Fire Arms are good if you are there.

When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were 
called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only 
real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect 
up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place 
until needed.

Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be 
nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they 
do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some 
good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. 
(do they have claymore safety classes where you are???)

73, ron, n9ee/r

ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide 
something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline.

>From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com> >
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire 
station, 
>it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a 
>racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough 
as 
>long as I don't carry it concealed.
> More freedom here in Pecos County...
>
> Wayne WA2YNE
> Imperial, Tejas...
> 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net> > wrote:
>
>> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day 
or 
>> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as 
big 
>> a weapon you can handle.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Rob]

Steve wrote:
>  
> Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, 
> connected to a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old police 
> sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice 
> small camera to record the bad guys crapping their pants and away you 
> go.  

I've got a couple of IP network cameras going up on eBay soon. If anyone 
is interested in them before they get listed, please see this page for 
details:




- Rob

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Steve]

Well, if it has reverse autopatch on your controller,  you could program it to 
call you by land line. Program the macro with something like- Danger Will 
Robinson lol

Ok my bad.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Plack 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:41 PM
  Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


   

  OK, Rob, I'll bite...

  If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert 
you?

  This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, "...d'oh!"

  73,
  Paul, AE4KR

--

  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Robert Pease
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


   

  Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started 
to think this was a weapon list.

  Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if 
someone tampered with it.

  Rob - KS4EC



--
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Steve
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


   

  At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns 
with silencers, makes security a little quieter.

  Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected 
to a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well 
or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record 
the bad guys crapping their pants and away you go.  I know most repeater sights 
are out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense 
bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are 
all ready wound up tight from doing the crime.  I would guess some dna samples 
could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. 

  OH well my 3 cents worth. 


- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wright 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


Fire Arms are good if you are there.

When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were called. 
About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real 
problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up 
the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place 
until needed.

Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice 
unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do 
not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good 
engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do 
they have claymore safety classes where you are???)

73, ron, n9ee/r

ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide 
something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline.

>From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
    >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, 
>it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a 
>racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as 
>long as I don't carry it concealed.
> More freedom here in Pecos County...
>
> Wayne WA2YNE
> Imperial, Tejas...
> 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or 
>> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big 
>> a weapon you can handle.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
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727-376-6575
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Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[wb8art]

Well it won't be broadcasting every 5 minutes! What else?:-)
Randy

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Plack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> OK, Rob, I'll bite...
>  
> If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the 
repeater alert you?
>  
> This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later 
say, "...d'oh!"
>  
> 73,
> Paul, AE4KR
>   _  
> 
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Pease
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I 
started to think this was a weapon list.
>  
> Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you 
also if someone tampered with it.
>  
> Rob - KS4EC
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and 
machine guns with silencers, makes security a little quieter.
>  
> Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, 
connected to a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old 
police sirens work well or 28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen 
lights. A nice small camera to record the bad guys crapping their 
pants and away you go.  I know most repeater sights are out in the 
middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense 
bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose 
nerves are all ready wound up tight from doing the crime.  I would 
guess some dna samples could also be picked up from the surrounding 
fence as they took off. 
>  
> OH well my 3 cents worth. 
>  
>  
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Ron Wright <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> To: Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> 
yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> 
> Fire Arms are good if you are there.
> 
> When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were 
called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the 
middle. Only real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to 
help and would connect up the battery making the thing go off. Always 
kept the battery in hidden place until needed.
> 
> Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be 
nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go 
off they do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This 
might take some good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire 
arms should figure it out. (do they have claymore safety classes 
where you are???)
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, 
provide something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the 
feedline.
> 
> >From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com> com>
> >Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
> >To: Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> > UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire 
station, 
> >it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make 
a 
> >racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal 
enough as 
> >long as I don't carry it concealed.
> > More freedom here in Pecos County...
> >
> > Wayne WA2YNE
> > Imperial, Tejas...
> > 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net> net> wrote:
> >
> >> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, 
day or 
> >> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security 
with as big 
> >> a weapon you can handle.
> >>
> >>
> >> David
> >>
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RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Plack]

OK, Rob, I'll bite...
 
If the cable's been cut, activating the alarm, how will the repeater alert you?
 
This sounds like a solution I'd come up with, then later say, "...d'oh!"
 
73,
Paul, AE4KR
  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Robert Pease
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:16 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



 

Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to 
think this was a weapon list.
 
Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if 
someone tampered with it.
 
Rob - KS4EC

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Steve
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



 

At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with 
silencers, makes security a little quieter.
 
Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to 
a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 
28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the 
bad guys crapping their pants and away you go.  I know most repeater sights are 
out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense 
bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are 
all ready wound up tight from doing the crime.  I would guess some dna samples 
could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. 
 
OH well my 3 cents worth. 
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wright <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


Fire Arms are good if you are there.

When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were called. About 
15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real problem is 
a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up the battery 
making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place until needed.

Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless 
you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do not spray 
the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good 
engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do 
they have claymore safety classes where you are???)

73, ron, n9ee/r

ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide something 
to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline.

>From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com> com>
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
>yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, 
>it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a 
>racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as 
>long as I don't carry it concealed.
> More freedom here in Pecos County...
>
> Wayne WA2YNE
> Imperial, Tejas...
> 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
><mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net> net> wrote:
>
>> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or 
>> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big 
>> a weapon you can handle.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>-
>
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RE: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Robert Pease]

Thats not a bad idea, I was getting tired of the weapon approach, I started to 
think this was a weapon list.
 
Hook your alarm to an input on the repeater and it could alert you also if 
someone tampered with it.
 
Rob - KS4EC



From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Steve
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:08 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



 
At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with 
silencers, makes security a little quieter.
 
Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to 
a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 
28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the 
bad guys crapping their pants and away you go.  I know most repeater sights are 
out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense 
bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are 
all ready wound up tight from doing the crime.  I would guess some dna samples 
could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. 
 
OH well my 3 cents worth. 
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wright <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


Fire Arms are good if you are there.

When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were 
called. About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only 
real problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect 
up the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place 
until needed.

Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be 
nice unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they 
do not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some 
good engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. 
(do they have claymore safety classes where you are???)

73, ron, n9ee/r

ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide 
something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline.

>From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wa2yne%40gmail.com> >
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
    >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire 
station, 
>it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a 
>racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough 
as 
>long as I don't carry it concealed.
> More freedom here in Pecos County...
>
> Wayne WA2YNE
> Imperial, Tejas...
> 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:dmurman%40verizon.net> > wrote:
>
>> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day 
or 
>> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as 
big 
>> a weapon you can handle.
>>
>>
>> David
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Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Steve]

At least here in Kansas we can now have full auto weapons and machine guns with 
silencers, makes security a little quieter.

Anyway, why not  just wrap your hard-line with burglar alarm tape, connected to 
a dc relay. This would trip a  dc horn or siren (old police sirens work well or 
28 volt locomotive horns) and halogen lights. A nice small camera to record the 
bad guys crapping their pants and away you go.  I know most repeater sights are 
out in the middle of nowhere, but a very loud sound coupled with an intense 
bright light has a tendency to scare the crap out of someone whose nerves are 
all ready wound up tight from doing the crime.  I would guess some dna samples 
could also be picked up from the surrounding fence as they took off. 

OH well my 3 cents worth. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron Wright 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


  Fire Arms are good if you are there.

  When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were called. 
About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle. Only real 
problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up 
the battery making the thing go off. Always kept the battery in hidden place 
until needed.

  Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice 
unless you got long run of cable. Just make sure when they do go off they do 
not spray the feedline, tower or equipment building. This might take some good 
engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do 
they have claymore safety classes where you are???)

  73, ron, n9ee/r

  ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores. However, provide 
something to shape the charge. Again don't want to damage the feedline.

  >From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
  >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  >Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

  > UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station, 
  >it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a 
  >racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as 
  >long as I don't carry it concealed.
  > More freedom here in Pecos County...
  >
  > Wayne WA2YNE
  > Imperial, Tejas...
  > 441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
  >
  >
  >On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  >> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or 
  >> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big 
  >> a weapon you can handle.
  >>
  >>
  >> David
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Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Ron Wright]

There have been a number of cases where a store or home owner wired a "booby 
trap" and someone got injured.

Outlawing this is the law in many states.  It is mainly due to the intruder 
might be a family member or fireman, etc trying to get in for good reasons.

I would think it best for any prosecution that it depends on what actually 
happened, but then again often one does not want someone putting in these 
devices.

Maybe use a lower voltage such as from a animal electric fence.  Know would 
prefer to fry the intruder.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: n9wys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/23 Wed PM 09:54:47 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

>
>There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar...  The bar was
>burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V.
>Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day
>- still in the window.  
>
>The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor tried to prosecute
>the owner for reckless conduct... unsuccessfully, but the guy still has the
>arrest on his record.
>
>Mark - N9WYS
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH
>
>Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 
>through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 
>(or even as an  unterminated open circuit)
>
>That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 
>was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>
>I know excessive force.
>But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>
>Joe M.
>
>   
> 


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Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Ron Wright]

Fire Arms are good if you are there.

When I was in the Nam we put up "mechnical ambushes" as they were called.  
About 15 claymores along a trail with a trip wire in the middle.  Only real 
problem is a FNG who knew nothing wanted so much to help and would connect up 
the battery making the thing go off.  Always kept the battery in hidden place 
until needed.

Well maybe don't need 15 of these critters, but one or two would be nice unless 
you got long run of cable.  Just make sure when they do go off they do not 
spray the feedline, tower or equipment building.  This might take some good 
engineering, but anyone well trained in fire arms should figure it out. (do 
they have claymore safety classes where you are???)

73, ron, n9ee/r

ps Hand grenades can be used in place of claymores.  However, provide something 
to shape the charge.  Again don't want to damage the feedline.




>From: Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/24 Thu PM 10:44:57 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

>  UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station,  
>it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a  
>racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as  
>long as I don't carry it concealed.
>  More freedom here in Pecos County...
>
>  Wayne WA2YNE
>  Imperial, Tejas...
>  441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:58 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or  
>> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big  
>> a weapon you can handle.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Wayne]

  UInless I wind up being able to put mine at the volunteer fire station,  
it will be here at my home. Three dogs here at night who will make a  
racket, not to mention a nice 40 caliber magnum revolver. Legal enough as  
long as I don't carry it concealed.
  More freedom here in Pecos County...

  Wayne WA2YNE
  Imperial, Tejas...
  441.950 TX 446.950 RX 167.9


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> Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or  
> night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big  
> a weapon you can handle.
>
>
> David
>
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[n9wys]

There was a guy in the area near here who owned a bar...  The bar was
burglarized repeatedly, so the owner wired the window bars to 220V.
Needless to say, when Mr. Burglar came back again, he was found the next day
- still in the window.  

The family successfully sued, and the local prosecutor tried to prosecute
the owner for reckless conduct... unsuccessfully, but the guy still has the
arrest on his record.

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH

Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 
through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 
(or even as an  unterminated open circuit)

That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 
was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.

I know excessive force.
But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".

Joe M.

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco]

A local AM station here in Waco recently had much of its rack mounted equipment 
stolen during the daytime  and it was not noticed until that night when the 
site which was only on the air after sunset would not come on line.  Thieves 
got away with this since many tower sites are located in cow pastures with 
nobody around to see what is going on (except the cows).  I have since 
installed alarm systems on the buildings with wireless cellular backups in case 
thieves cut the phone line to the transmitter site.   Too bad thieves did not 
try to touch the tower when it was energized.  10kw of rf can burn you pretty 
bad and I doubt the transmitter would shut down quickly from only a human body 
shunting it to ground.  Those new Harris DX10 solid state am transmitters may 
not be as sensitive to a slight change is swr as some of the older tube rigs 
may be.   Only problem with alarm systems is the law is sometimes way too late 
getting to a remote site!
WB5OXQ
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Finch 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:35 AM
  Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




  In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service, 
Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no end 
that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or vandalize 
something.

  Paul




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weapon you can handle.

  David

  =
  From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

  But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
  outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
  there are plenty of scrap yards..

  BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
  since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
  in the photos.

  I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
  is one).

  Joe M.

  Paul Finch wrote:
  > And left a $200.00 connector.
  > 
  > Paul
  > 
  > 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Wayne]

  I have a 401 Magnum revolver.
  Only bullets I could find for it were made for the old 38/40, which are  
.400 diameter, 3/4 jacket flat nose.
  Used to have a 45 ACP that had full jacketed bullets.

  Many bullets semi or full jacketed, some plain lead.
  No matter how you look at it, can do some hurt...
  I have a guy here that i wonder about. He may get some of the wire he  
salvages from abandonded houses, but some I wonder.
  He had some cable that he was trying to figure out how to strip the wire.  
I looked at it, the ding bat didn't know it was fiber optic cable, no  
metal at all
  I don't ever want to catch him messing with any of my wire.
  Texas is a lot more lenient on who one is allowed to shoot.

  Wayne WA2YNE


On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:04:04 -0500, George Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

>
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Apr 22, 2008 10:31 AM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>>
>> Most bullets these days are made of copper.
>>
>
>
> Perfect!
>
> He wants copper, we'll give him copper..  although buckshot hurts  
> more!
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

Wow. Guess that power company will be
brought up on charger for manslaughter. ;->

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> Guess you guys did not see the email floating around about the thief 
> that was stealing wire from a power substation and grabbed the wrong 
> wire with his insulated side cutters.  Short non-graphic story he was in 
> three pieces and there was zero blood.
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Barry C'
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:28 AM
> *To:* repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> 
> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
> 
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
> some of
> your lines.
> 
> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant
> as criticism per se)
> 
> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Barry C' wrote:
>  > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>  > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
>  > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>  >
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>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>  > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>  >
>  > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>  > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
> light?
>  > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>  >
>  > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
> guy who
>  > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>  >
>  > I know excessive force.
>  > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>  > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>  >
>  > Joe M.
>  >
>  > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>  > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>  > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>  > about who
>  > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records
> of who
>  > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
>  > Regulations
>  > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
>  > GOT
>  > > to be done.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

That's another advantage - the FCC would be looking for the person(s) 
responsible and that would be more charges they could add.

Joe M.

Ron Wright wrote:
> The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower 
> lights.  This will get their attention real quick.  The station off the air 
> only upsets the tower/radio stn owners.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
>>
>> Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a 
>> lit tower would be guilty of it, then.
>>
>> Joe M.
>>
>> Barry C' wrote:
>>> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>>     To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>>>
>>> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
>>> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
>>> some of
>>> your lines.
>>>
>>> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant
>>> as criticism per se)
>>>
>>> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
>>>
>>> Joe M.
>>>
>>> Barry C' wrote:
>>>  > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>>>  > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
>>>  > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>>>  >
>>>  > --
>>>  > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>>>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>>>  > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>>>  >
>>>  > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>>>  > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
>>> light?
>>>  > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>>>  >
>>>  > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
>>> guy who
>>>  > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>>>  >
>>>  > I know excessive force.
>>>  > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>>>  > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>>>  >
>>>  > Joe M.
>>>  >
>>>  > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>>>  > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>>>  > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>>>  > about who
>>>  > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records
>>> of who
>>>  > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
>>>  > Regulations
>>>  > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
>>>  > GOT
>>>  > > to be done.
>>>  > > WB5OXQ
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Alexandre Souza]

> My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids 
> from
> the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property. 
> Even
> if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press 
> and
> harassed by the law enforcement officers.

Short answer: Make friends.

It is unbelievable how good friends can help. If you have a good living 
and live in a pouch of powertry, you can always help a bit people around 
you. You'll improve your life, their lives and save your equipment. Because 
even the drug-heads around them will help to protect your property. They 
will saye "don't mess with Paul's things. He is our friend and always 
willing to help when we need!". Been there, done that. 






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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[DCFluX]

The latest trick around here is to tie on to power poles and pull them over
to steal the aluminum wiring and the pole pig. Personally, I don't think $50
worth of scrap metal is worth a shocking experience.

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

David,
 
Thanks to Kevin and Scott for letting this off topic thread go on this long
but it is sort of repeater related and is real good information for all
involved in this hobby.
 
My problem is most of the people that trespass onto my property is kids from
the mid to lower class housing development to the West of my property.  Even
if you're justified in shooting a kid you will be condemned in the press and
harassed by the law enforcement officers.  
 
I had an ATV (four wheeler) stolen about two months ago, the Sheriffs office
came out and took the info and later drove all around the house where the
ATV was parked.  I was passed out 105 flyers out when I saw some kids
standing next to a house.  As I got closer I saw my Son's ATV.  They
jump,cut and do whatever it takes to get over the fences.  I also have a 2
acre pond sitting fairly close to the tower and I  caught 6 kids and one
adult walking in a group on my property to fish.  They got guts.
 
In the tower building I have several customers, paging, public service,
Wi-Fi, trunking systems as well as my Ham repeaters and it scares me to no
end that they are going to get in the building and try and steal or
vandalize something.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:16 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; MCH
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or
night. Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a
weapon you can handle.

David

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From: MCH mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT
To: HYPERLINK
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m
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
there are plenty of scrap yards..

BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
in the photos.

I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
is one).

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> And left a $200.00 connector.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[dmurman]

Here in Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, day or night. 
Might be a good idea to move to the site for security with as big a weapon you 
can handle.


David

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From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 11:11:04 CDT
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
there are plenty of scrap yards..

BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
in the photos.

I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
is one).

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> And left a $200.00 connector.
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my 
> sites:_
> 
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RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

And any tower lighting vandalism is supposed to be investigated by the FBI.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:08 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower
lights. This will get their attention real quick. The station off the air
only upsets the tower/radio stn owners.

73, ron, n9ee/r

>From: MCH mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT
>To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> 
>Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a 
>lit tower would be guilty of it, then.
>
>Joe M.
>
>Barry C' wrote:
>> 
>> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
>> 
>> 
>> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>> From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>> 
>> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
>> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
>> some of
>> your lines.
>> 
>> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant
>> as criticism per se)
>> 
>> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
>> 
>> Joe M.
>> 
>> Barry C' wrote:
>> > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>> > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
>> > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>> >
>> > 
>> > To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m
>> <mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m>
>> > From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:HYPERLINK
"mailto:mch%40nb.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>> >
>> > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>> > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
>> light?
>> > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>> >
>> > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
>> guy who
>> > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>> >
>> > I know excessive force.
>> > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>> > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>> >
>> > Joe M.
>> >
>> > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>> > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>> > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>> > about who
>> > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records
>> of who
>> > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
>> > Regulations
>> > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
>> > GOT
>> > > to be done.
>> > > WB5OXQ
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 
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>> > http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064"http://mycareer.-com.au/?s_-cid=596064
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Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

Guess you guys did not see the email floating around about the thief that
was stealing wire from a power substation and grabbed the wrong wire with
his insulated side cutters.  Short non-graphic story he was in three pieces
and there was zero blood.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C'
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:28 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks 



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting 
any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of 
your lines.

Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant 
as criticism per se)

By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.

Joe M.

Barry C' wrote:
> Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
> Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some 
> sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
> 
> 
> To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
> through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light?
> (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
> 
> That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who
> was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
> 
> I know excessive force.
> But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
> Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
> > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
> > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
> about who
> > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who
> > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
> Regulations
> > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
> GOT
> > to be done.
> > WB5OXQ
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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> 
> before someone else does Find the job of your dreams 
> http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064";
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Dail Terry]

I call it "Adding a little CHLORINE to the GENE POOL"
N6DGT
Dail


- Original Message 
From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:05:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting 
any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of 
your lines.

Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant 
as criticism per se)

By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.

Joe M.

Barry C' wrote:
> Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
> Geovision siftware  and some old cctv cams  is cheap connected to some 
> sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
> 
>  - - - - - -
> To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
> through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light?
> (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
> 
> That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who
> was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
> 
> I know excessive force.
> But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
> Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>  > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>  > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
> about who
>  > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who
>  > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
> Regulations
>  > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
> GOT
>  > to be done.
>  > WB5OXQ
>  >
>  >
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Ron Wright]

I retract my electric fence suggestion.  I submit a lethal at least 480 
VAC...go for blood.  This is crazy.  Smoke this critter and when I say smoke I 
want to see real smoke from this idiot.

There are people the world would be better off without.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: Maire-Radios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 09:01:00 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

>
>where was this at? thanks  john   - Original Message -   From:  Juan   
>Tellez   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 
>7:10   PM  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on   Copper theft  
>
>
>  
>  
>__,_._,__  Here is a   picture of what happen last week in one of my sites:_  
>  
>  
>  
>   
> 


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727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Ron Wright]

Having a way of connecting a electric fense source to the shield of the 
feedline would be good.  That way thief would not have to cut very deep to get 
to the "enforcer", hi.  It would also not interfere with the RF side.  The 
shield being grounded would have to be engineered.

These are usually not fatal, just convincing you don't want to go here.

73, ron, n9ee/r



>From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 10:23:51 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

>
>Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 
>through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 
>(or even as an  unterminated open circuit)
>
>That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 
>was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>
>I know excessive force.
>But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>
>Joe M.
>
>Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>> There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these 
>> thieves.  The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who 
>> they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who 
>> they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.  Regulations 
>> as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help.  Something has GOT 
>> to be done.
>> WB5OXQ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG. 
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> 


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727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Ron Wright]

The FCC and FAA get real upset with towers that have dead or defective tower 
lights.  This will get their attention real quick.  The station off the air 
only upsets the tower/radio stn owners.

73, ron, n9ee/r




>From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2008/04/23 Wed AM 01:10:54 CDT
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

>
>Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a 
>lit tower would be guilty of it, then.
>
>Joe M.
>
>Barry C' wrote:
>> 
>> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
>> 
>> --
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>     Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>> 
>> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
>> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
>> some of
>> your lines.
>> 
>> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant
>> as criticism per se)
>> 
>> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
>> 
>> Joe M.
>> 
>> Barry C' wrote:
>>  > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>>  > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
>>  > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>>  >
>>  > ----------
>>      > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>>  > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>>  >
>>  > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>>  > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
>> light?
>>  > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>>  >
>>  > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
>> guy who
>>  > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>>  >
>>  > I know excessive force.
>>  > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>>  > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>>  >
>>  > Joe M.
>>  >
>>  > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>>  > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>>  > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>>  > about who
>>  > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records
>> of who
>>  > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
>>  > Regulations
>>  > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
>>  > GOT
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

I thought towers and repeaters went together like chocolate and peanut 
butter...

No, no difference - especially if it's marked like I said.

I've never seen the power lines for the tower lighting marked, so if 
they cut through that or they cut through the tower lighting lines that 
are fed via Heliax, there really isn't any difference. Same purpose - 
same result. In fact, the way I mentioned gives more warning than the 
'standard practice', so if any way is manslaughter, it's the 'standard 
practice' which is not marked at all.

It would be hard to defend an action that has to remove warning labels 
or cut through them to cause the harm. Just the same as the company who 
digs up a buried power line and has to go through the warning tape to 
get to it. The installer/owner of that line is not responsible for the 
consequences of the actions of the company who did the damage. In fact, 
the company is responsible to replace the line they damaged (or at least 
pay for it).

Lots of precedent and it's all sides with the owner/operator.

For that matter, it's exactly the same if someone gets an RF burn from 
cutting a high power TX line. Are you responsible for the result? I 
think not. (and in that case there isn't even a warning, so that's more 
in favor of the person who got burned.)

Joe M.

Barry C' wrote:
> Completely off topic but there is a large diff.
> 
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:54 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a
> lit tower would be guilty of it, then.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Barry C' wrote:
>  >
>  > Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
>  >
>  > --
>  > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
>  > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>  >
>  > My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be
> hitting
>  > any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
>  > some of
>  > your lines.
>  >
>  > Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not
> meant
>  > as criticism per se)
>  >
>  > By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
>  >
>  > Joe M.
>  >
>  > Barry C' wrote:
>  > > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>  > > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to
> some
>  > > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>>
>  > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>  > > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>  > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>  > >
>  > > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>  > > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
>  > light?
>  > > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>  > >
>  > > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
>  > guy who
>  > > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>  > >
>  > > I know excessive force.
>  > > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>  > > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>  > >
>  > > Joe M.
>  > >
>  > > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>  > > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>  > > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>  > > about who
>  > 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Barry C']

Completely off topic but there is a large diff.

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:10:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




















Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone 
with a 

lit tower would be guilty of it, then.



Joe M.



Barry C' wrote:

> 

> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks

> 

> --

> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400

> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> 

> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting

> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving

> some of

> your lines.

> 

> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant

> as criticism per se)

> 

> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.

> 

> Joe M.

> 

> Barry C' wrote:

>  > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)

>  > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some

>  > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...

>  >

>  > --

>  > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>

>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400

>  > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

>  >

>  > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)

>  > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a

> light?

>  > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)

>  >

>  > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The

> guy who

>  > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.

>  >

>  > I know excessive force.

>  > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?

>  > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".

>  >

>  > Joe M.

>  >

>  > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:

>  > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these

>  > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective

>  > about who

>  > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records

> of who

>  > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.

>  > Regulations

>  > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has

>  > GOT

>  > > to be done.

>  > > WB5OXQ

>  > >

>  > >

>  > >

>  > > --

>  > >

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>  > > Checked by AVG.

>  > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date:

>  > 4/22/2008 3:51 PM

>  >

>  >

>  > --

>  > before someone else does Find the job of your dreams

>  > <http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064

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> 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

Same difference if they cut the light power lines. Guess anyone with a 
lit tower would be guilty of it, then.

Joe M.

Barry C' wrote:
> 
> Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks
> 
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting
> any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving
> some of
> your lines.
> 
> Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant
> as criticism per se)
> 
> By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Barry C' wrote:
>  > Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
>  > Geovision siftware and some old cctv cams is cheap connected to some
>  > sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
>  >
>  > --
>  > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
>  > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>  >
>  > Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
>  > through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a
> light?
>  > (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
>  >
>  > That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The
> guy who
>  > was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>  >
>  > I know excessive force.
>  > But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
>  > Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>  >
>  > Joe M.
>  >
>  > Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>  > > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>  > > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
>  > about who
>  > > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records
> of who
>  > > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
>  > Regulations
>  > > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
>  > GOT
>  > > to be done.
>  > > WB5OXQ
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > >
>  > > No virus found in this incoming message.
>  > > Checked by AVG.
>  > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date:
>  > 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > before someone else does Find the job of your dreams
>  > <http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064
> <http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064> >
>  >
>  >
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> 4/22/2008 3:51 PM
> 
> 
> 
> Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. 
> <http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065 > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Barry C']

Premeditated manslaugther .. MM nah thank but no thanks 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:05:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




















My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be 
hitting 

any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of 

your lines.



Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant 

as criticism per se)



By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.



Joe M.



Barry C' wrote:

> Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)

> Geovision siftware  and some old cctv cams  is cheap connected to some 

> sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...

> 

> --

> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400

> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

> 

> Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)

> through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light?

> (or even as an unterminated open circuit)

> 

> That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who

> was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.

> 

> I know excessive force.

> But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?

> Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".

> 

> Joe M.

> 

> Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:

>  > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these

>  > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective

> about who

>  > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who

>  > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.

> Regulations

>  > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has

> GOT

>  > to be done.

>  > WB5OXQ

>  >

>  >

>  >

>  > --

>  >

>  > No virus found in this incoming message.

>  > Checked by AVG.

>  > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date:

> 4/22/2008 3:51 PM

> 

> 

> --

> before someone else does Find the job of your dreams 

> <http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 > 

> 

> 

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> 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

They obviously did not know the value of the connector and when you consider
the 1/2 Heliax has an thin copper coated aluminum center conductor they
really did not get much.  It also looks like the 7/7 Heliax is also the
solid aluminum type but the resolution is fairly poor when I blow it up to
see if they are solid.

Paul
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MCH
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:11 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
there are plenty of scrap yards..

BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
in the photos.

I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
is one).

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> And left a $200.00 connector.
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Henry Wingate]

Once we tried smearing the feedline with a mixture of cosmoline, carbon 
black and gentian violet. But alas came the time when WE had to work on it !

MCH wrote:
> Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 
> through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 
> (or even as an  unterminated open circuit)
>
> That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 
> was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
>
> I know excessive force.
> But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
> Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
>
> Joe M.
>
> Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>   
>> There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these 
>> thieves.  The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who 
>> they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who 
>> they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.  Regulations 
>> as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help.  Something has GOT 
>> to be done.
>> WB5OXQ
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

But, they don't know the value of that, and likely don't have any 
outlets to get money from it. But, they DO know the value of copper, and 
there are plenty of scrap yards..

BUT, you would think that the first few cuts would have deterred them 
since the majority of the metal is NOT copper - as you can clearly see 
in the photos.

I bet the left the connectors on the strike plate, too (assuming there 
is one).

Joe M.

Paul Finch wrote:
> And left a $200.00 connector.
>  
> Paul
>  
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Juan Tellez
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:10 PM
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> __,_._,__*/ /*Here is a picture of what happen last week in one of my 
> sites:_
> 
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> 
> *//*
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

My way is prevention. Once they hit that Heliax, they don't be hitting 
any more tower sites - preventing the next guy and likely saving some of 
your lines.

Your way is just "passing the problem on" to the next site. (not meant 
as criticism per se)

By weeding out all the scum, the problem is prevented.

Joe M.

Barry C' wrote:
> Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete)
> Geovision siftware  and some old cctv cams  is cheap connected to some 
> sort of high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...
> 
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
> 
> Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety)
> through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light?
> (or even as an unterminated open circuit)
> 
> That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who
> was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.
> 
> I know excessive force.
> But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
> Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
>  > There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these
>  > thieves. The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective
> about who
>  > they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who
>  > they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.
> Regulations
>  > as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help. Something has
> GOT
>  > to be done.
>  > WB5OXQ
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  >
>  > No virus found in this incoming message.
>  > Checked by AVG.
>  > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1392 - Release Date:
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> 
> 
> before someone else does Find the job of your dreams 
> <http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596064 > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Barry C']

Prevention is better than a cure ( which you keep secrete) 
Geovision siftware  and some old cctv cams  is cheap connected to some sort of 
high intensity light source tends to slow them down ...

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:23:51 -0400
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Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 

through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 

(or even as an  unterminated open circuit)



That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 

was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.



I know excessive force.

But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?

Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".



Joe M.



Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:

> There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these 

> thieves.  The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who 

> they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who 

> they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.  Regulations 

> as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help.  Something has GOT 

> to be done.

> WB5OXQ

> 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[MCH]

Well, how about feeding 220 (and I'm not talking the MHz variety) 
through a piece of Heliax to feed something on the tower like a light? 
(or even as an  unterminated open circuit)

That way, when the cut through it with the rest, SURPRISE! The guy who 
was stealing the cable will be the body attached to the cut pieces.

I know excessive force.
But, if it's feeding the light, is it excessive?
Wrap it with tape that says "warning - dangerous voltage".

Joe M.

Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
> There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these 
> thieves.  The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who 
> they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who 
> they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.  Regulations 
> as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help.  Something has GOT 
> to be done.
> WB5OXQ
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Kris Kirby]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
> There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these 
> thieves.  The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about 
> who they buy this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of 
> who they buy from and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.  
> Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a handgun might help.  
> Something has GOT to be done. WB5OXQ

You boys know what has to happen -- I'm suprised a Texan didn't suggest 
it. If you see a hacksaw, shoot first. 

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[ka9qjg]

. Many 
thieves are only interested in $10-20 worth of copper. That's all it 
takes to buy a dose of drugs and get high. 

73, Joe, K1ike

 Well I Don't think is just Drugs and stuff like that anymore ,Now We
have to think what $ 5.00 Will buy a Gal of Gas , a Pack of Cigs ,a
Gallon of Milk  and on and on , Plenty of People out of Work , Children
to feed . Not that any of this is right and it is an Excuse. Hope things
Change soon 
 
Happy Repeater Building 
 
Don KA9QJG 
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Joe]

At my last job we were having copper ground buss bars stolen.  They 
would hit a cellsite and take them all at ground level.  This could add 
up to 5 or 10 buss bars if the site had multiple carriers on it.  The 
fix has been to replace the buss bars with tinned copper buss bars.  It 
will be a learning curve, but when the thieves find out tinned copper is 
worth much less than clean copper they may stop taking them.  Many 
thieves are only interested in $10-20 worth of copper.  That's all it 
takes to buy a dose of drugs and get high. 

73, Joe, K1ike



Tony VE6MVP wrote:
> At 06:49 PM 2008-04-22 -0500, Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:
> Some outfits are now micro dotting the copper so it can be proven it's 
> stolen.But melt it down and whos gonna know?
>
> Tony
>  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Tony VE6MVP]

At 06:49 PM 2008-04-22 -0500, Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco wrote:

The buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy 
this stuff from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from 
and be aware that the stuff might be stolen.


That's the big problem.  No matter how much you train the honest ones there 
will be renegades.  I've heard the same thing about manhole 
covers.  Unscrupulous buyers will buy those.  And it's pretty darned clear 
that a manhole cover is not likely going to be surplus.


Some outfits are now micro dotting the copper so it can be proven it's 
stolen.But melt it down and whos gonna know?


Tony

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco]

There has got to be a way to catch and make an example of these thieves.  The 
buyers of copper must be trained to be selective about who they buy this stuff 
from and require good ID and keep records of who they buy from and be aware 
that the stuff might be stolen.  Regulations as stiff as buying or selling a 
handgun might help.  Something has GOT to be done.
WB5OXQ
 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[ka9qjg]

 Well that Picture sure put Things in Perspective Only one Comment
Unbelievable I guess the Old Saying a Picture is worth a thousand words
is True in this case 
 
Don KA9QJG 
 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[ka9qjg]

 
 I Don't think this Copper Thieves are actually Targeting Repeater Sites
Etc , Some  Sites are off the beaten path and  in Place not readily seen
by some ,  It is just bad People trying to make some money for whatever
. 
 
Example, Here in N/W Indiana home Construction sites get hit all the
time, some have been know to actually tear Alum siding off houses and
garages, and Alum on barriers on the Expressways. 
 My Daughter recently rented a House and on the weekend just before she
got to move in someone broke into it and Cut a 4 Ft Copper line from the
hot Water tank and Just left the Water running Causing lots of Damage 
 
Just my Thoughts on the Subject 
 
Happy Repeater Building 
 
Don KA9QJG 
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[George Henry]

-Original Message-
>From: DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 22, 2008 10:31 AM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>
>Most bullets these days are made of copper.
>


Perfect!  

He wants copper, we'll give him copper..  although buckshot hurts more!

RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Jim Brown]

Mine was on the air - but not active at the time the ax was applied to the hard 
line.  You are my coordinator, but I never did let you know it was down - 
sorry.  But back up now, with a new connector and jumper.

73 - Jim  W5ZIT  (N5SN)  443.9

Paul Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They have already stolen coax off working systems.   
  
 Paul
  

  
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 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Terry
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:17 AM
To:  Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on  Copper theft


 
  Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I belong to  (Mountain
ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site received a blast  of
freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very high wind.  This
created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought so many  others
before it as well. 

We were still licking out wounds from this  loss of 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond  tri-band, and several
packet beams on several different bands, when I got a  call from MD
state police to identify property.

It seems that during a  routine PC of the area, they caught an
individual with almost all 200 ft of  our 1-1/8" Andrews in his truck,
cut into 3 foot lengths for  recycling.

I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns like this one  would
figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how long it will  be
until they start cutting the stuff off towers while they are on the
air  and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS network? 

At least my personal  site has the feedline routed in a way that it is
not exposed, unless they can  scale the gym roof straight up. (wx3m.info) 








   
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

I think they have a copper jacket over lead.
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:32 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Most bullets these days are made of copper. 



On 4/22/08, Paul Finch mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Easy to explain, "Lead Poisoning".
 

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Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if
the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda
bird n all :)



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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations
losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper
wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.

I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such
vandalism?

Bob M.
==
--- Terry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I
> belong to (Mountain
> ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site
> received a blast of
> freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very
> high wind. This
> created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought
> so many others
> before it as well. 
> 
> We were still licking out wounds from this loss of
> 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
> associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond
> tri-band, and several
> packet beams on several different bands, when I got
> a call from MD
> state police to identify property.
> 
> It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they
> caught an
> individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"
> Andrews in his truck,
> cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.
> 
> I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns
> like this one would
> figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how
> long it will be
> until they start cutting the stuff off towers while
> they are on the
> air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS
> network? 
> 
> At least my personal site has the feedline routed in
> a way that it is
> not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof
> straight up. (HYPERLINK "http://wx3m.info"; \nwx3m.info)

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

They have already stolen coax off working systems.  
 
Paul
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:17 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I belong to (Mountain
ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site received a blast of
freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very high wind. This
created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought so many others
before it as well. 

We were still licking out wounds from this loss of 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond tri-band, and several
packet beams on several different bands, when I got a call from MD
state police to identify property.

It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they caught an
individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8" Andrews in his truck,
cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.

I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns like this one would
figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how long it will be
until they start cutting the stuff off towers while they are on the
air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS network? 

At least my personal site has the feedline routed in a way that it is
not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof straight up. (wx3m.info) 



 


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[DCFluX]

Most bullets these days are made of copper.

On 4/22/08, Paul Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Easy to explain, "Lead Poisoning".
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Barry C'
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:13 AM
> *To:* repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>
>  Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if
> the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda
> bird n all :)
>
>  --
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:02:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft
>
>  It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations
> losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper
> wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.
>
> I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such
> vandalism?
>
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I
> > belong to (Mountain
> > ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site
> > received a blast of
> > freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very
> > high wind. This
> > created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought
> > so many others
> > before it as well.
> >
> > We were still licking out wounds from this loss of
> > 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
> > associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond
> > tri-band, and several
> > packet beams on several different bands, when I got
> > a call from MD
> > state police to identify property.
> >
> > It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they
> > caught an
> > individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"
> > Andrews in his truck,
> > cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.
> >
> > I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns
> > like this one would
> > figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how
> > long it will be
> > until they start cutting the stuff off towers while
> > they are on the
> > air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS
> > network?
> >
> > At least my personal site has the feedline routed in
> > a way that it is
> > not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof
> > straight up. (wx3m.info)
>
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Paul Finch]

Easy to explain, "Lead Poisoning".
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry C'
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:13 AM
To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft



Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if
the thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda
bird n all :)




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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:02:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft


It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations
losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper
wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.

I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such
vandalism?

Bob M.
==
--- Terry mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I
> belong to (Mountain
> ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site
> received a blast of
> freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very
> high wind. This
> created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought
> so many others
> before it as well. 
> 
> We were still licking out wounds from this loss of
> 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
> associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond
> tri-band, and several
> packet beams on several different bands, when I got
> a call from MD
> state police to identify property.
> 
> It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they
> caught an
> individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"
> Andrews in his truck,
> cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.
> 
> I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns
> like this one would
> figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how
> long it will be
> until they start cutting the stuff off towers while
> they are on the
> air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS
> network? 
> 
> At least my personal site has the feedline routed in
> a way that it is
> not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof
> straight up. (wx3m.info)

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Barry C']

Personally I wonder how much exception the local Magistrate would take if the 
thief happened to start leaking a little being mistaken for some kinda bird n 
all :)

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:02:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft




















It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations

losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper

wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.



I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such

vandalism?



Bob M.

==

--- Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I

> belong to (Mountain

> ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site

> received a blast of

> freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very

> high wind. This

> created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought

> so many others

> before it as well. 

> 

> We were still licking out wounds from this loss of

> 100 Ft Rohn 45, all

> associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond

> tri-band, and several

> packet beams on several different bands, when I got

> a call from MD

> state police to identify property.

> 

> It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they

> caught an

> individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"

> Andrews in his truck,

> cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.

> 

> I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns

> like this one would

> figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how

> long it will be

> until they start cutting the stuff off towers while

> they are on the

> air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS

> network? 

> 

> At least my personal site has the feedline routed in

> a way that it is

> not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof

> straight up. (wx3m.info)



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] More on Copper theft

[Bob M.]

It's already a big problem with AM broadcast stations
losing their ground system. Buried uninsulated copper
wire. Find one exposed piece and start pulling it up.

I wonder if amateur equipment insurance covers such
vandalism?

Bob M.
==
--- Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somewhere around 8-9 p.m. December 15, The club I
> belong to (Mountain
> ARC)lost our tower at 2976ft. The area of the site
> received a blast of
> freezing rain, followed by several bursts of very
> high wind. This
> created the dreaded twisting effect that has brought
> so many others
> before it as well. 
> 
> We were still licking out wounds from this loss of
> 100 Ft Rohn 45, all
> associated guys, a db-224, db-408, my Diamond
> tri-band, and several
> packet beams on several different bands, when I got
> a call from MD
> state police to identify property.
> 
> It seems that during a routine PC of the area, they
> caught an
> individual with almost all 200 ft of our 1-1/8"
> Andrews in his truck,
> cut into 3 foot lengths for recycling.
> 
> I was afraid that sooner or later, junkie clowns
> like this one would
> figure out that hardline was copper. I wonder how
> long it will be
> until they start cutting the stuff off towers while
> they are on the
> air and disrupt police dispatch or worse, EMS
> network? 
> 
> At least my personal site has the feedline routed in
> a way that it is
> not exposed, unless they can scale the gym roof
> straight up. (wx3m.info)


  

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