Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Kris Kirby wrote: For the same reason why we don't tell everyone exactly where our ham repeaters are: there is a segment of the populous that will show up and check out the site, wondering what it looks like. In the broadcast world, this ranges from looky-loos to drunken would-be towerclimbers and army rangers. Some just want to climb big steel for the sheer joy of it, the other seeks to ride down the guy wire as if it were a zipline. A friend recently caught some young people BASE jumping off of one of the towers he takes care of. He said it was quite a surprise to see a parachute coming down inside the throw of the guy-wires as he arrived to do some work... Nate WY0X
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
On Jul 22, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Joe wrote: YupWas it my imagination or was there an excessive number of commercials? Nahh... they played as many as they needed to to keep the show free to watch and broadcast. Of course, I skipped all of the commercials with the DVR, but don't tell the advertisers so they'll keep paying our broadcasting friends here on the list, mmm-kay? Saves a hell of a lot of time too... a 1 hour show took about 35-40 minutes to watch. -- Nate Duehr, WY0X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Which for the record is exactly typical for a 1-hour show. 40 minutes of content and 20 minutes of commercials. The same is true for 30 minute shows - 20 minutes of show plus 10 minutes of commercials. Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: Saves a hell of a lot of time too... a 1 hour show took about 35-40 minutes to watch.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
I agree with most of the replies. Myself have never been up A tower. While I did not expect it to be a training video, the only real bit on safety was the Inspection. It showed a barrel full of Junk (Did NOT pass Inspection) safety gear but she passed with flying colors? I think it was MUCH more SHOW than Reality. Just what is required for any TV show, A few colorful characters, A pretty girl or 2, A job of some kind to do and Human Interaction. Very little Job. Maybe Discovery will pick it up and run it more like Ice Road Truckers and the other Dirty Jobs type shows they do. Still lots of on-the-job friction required for good TV but A lot less Fluff and Junk! Bruce KE5TPN - Original Message - From: Paul Plack To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers Don, You always have to approach watching these things with the understanding that done the industry a better service is not among their goals. It's all about telling the viewer an interesting story. Even reality TV shows have writers! In this case, they seemed to be aiming more toward a plot that would make a good country song. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: de W5DK To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers Good help is hard to find in every trade nowadays. I could have done without the adult day care angle, we all see it every day with current work ethics and morals. They could have done the industry a better service with more facts and public service links to safety training. I think it highlights the industry problem with subcontractors and poor safety training along with energetic young personalities. Or the I can drink till 10 o'clock guy. Seems like a good deal for the carriers and a bad deal for the widows and family left behind. I'm not in the industry so that's just my opinion and I know training will only get you so far. Some people are un-trainable. Some of us hams have climbed allot compared to others, unfortunately most all of us with ZERO safety training. Except for what I read in Tune in the World or ARRL antenna books, I have no training. I have climbed with others and watched and corrected unsafe moves. I get more nervous watching others than climbing myself. The main things I took away from all this reading and discussion was that all the deaths were preventable and 100% tied off needs to be preached. I can't find the NATE training link I saw yesterday. It would be good for the amateur community to be exposed to better safety materials. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough. I also need to upgrade to newer better safety gear. 73 Don Kirchner W5DK
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
At 7/23/2008 02:07, you wrote: Which for the record is exactly typical for a 1-hour show. 40 minutes of content and 20 minutes of commercials. The same is true for 30 minute shows - 20 minutes of show plus 10 minutes of commercials. Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: Saves a hell of a lot of time too... a 1 hour show took about 35-40 minutes to watch. Didn't used to be that way. I noticed that the original Star Trek series episodes on DVD are ~52 minutes long. When watched on OTA TV now they're 42 minutes. I wonder when it was decided that more commercials per hour are acceptable? Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
WHEN DID REPEATER BUILDER CHANGE TO TV CRITICS? i THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS ORDERED ENDED?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, kf0m wrote: I also wondered why they stuck with just cell phone towers and didn't really touch on broadcast towers or the view from 1000+ feet. For the same reason why we don't tell everyone exactly where our ham repeaters are: there is a segment of the populous that will show up and check out the site, wondering what it looks like. In the broadcast world, this ranges from looky-loos to drunken would-be towerclimbers and army rangers. Some just want to climb big steel for the sheer joy of it, the other seeks to ride down the guy wire as if it were a zipline. If you're lucky, the latter brought the right equipment and the birds don't pick pieces of him out of the ice bridge for the next few months. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
I don't think I saw them even near a real broadcast tower, just these wannabe cellular sites. Then again I was paying more attention to a MASTR-III at the time. The music score sounded like it was done by the guy that did 'Pirates of the Caribian' or 'Survivor' and didn't really go with the action deplicted. Wearing a hard hat while climbing a tower doesn't make much sense, just one more thing to get in the way. However it is usefull when you are the support crew on the ground. I like to tie a 12 cresent wrench to the bottom of my ropes to keep the wind from catching them too bad. I also like to put my antennas up in the wind and rain for the simple reason that I know they will stay up. $14 an hour is dirt cheap, At that rate I should hire them to do my tower work. But really they are part of a crew and you have to consider if they get paid $1200 a job, that is split 6 ways and covers the crane rental. On 7/22/08, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I watched the show did you? I tower dogs earned more money than they said they do. I loved the view from the top of the towers. So what did all of you think about the show see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak
RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Good help is hard to find in every trade nowadays. I could have done without the adult day care angle, we all see it every day with current work ethics and morals. They could have done the industry a better service with more facts and public service links to safety training. I think it highlights the industry problem with subcontractors and poor safety training along with energetic young personalities. Or the I can drink till 10 o'clock guy. Seems like a good deal for the carriers and a bad deal for the widows and family left behind. I'm not in the industry so that's just my opinion and I know training will only get you so far. Some people are un-trainable. Some of us hams have climbed allot compared to others, unfortunately most all of us with ZERO safety training. Except for what I read in Tune in the World or ARRL antenna books, I have no training. I have climbed with others and watched and corrected unsafe moves. I get more nervous watching others than climbing myself. The main things I took away from all this reading and discussion was that all the deaths were preventable and 100% tied off needs to be preached. I can't find the NATE training link I saw yesterday. It would be good for the amateur community to be exposed to better safety materials. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough. I also need to upgrade to newer better safety gear. 73 Don Kirchner W5DK
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Very disappointing program. Mostly fluff. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers Drunks on towers ? -- Original message -- From: David [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I watched the show did you? I tower dogs earned more money than they said they do. I loved the view from the top of the towers. So what did all of you think about the show see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak Design Plan Solutions llc. www.n1ib.com www.n1ib.com/blog/ www.n1ib.com/leather/ arf don't forget me Mis Ginger Einstein said: You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very,very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
The hard hat is a OSHA regulation.. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:32 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers I don't think I saw them even near a real broadcast tower, just these wannabe cellular sites. Then again I was paying more attention to a MASTR-III at the time. The music score sounded like it was done by the guy that did 'Pirates of the Caribian' or 'Survivor' and didn't really go with the action deplicted. Wearing a hard hat while climbing a tower doesn't make much sense, just one more thing to get in the way. However it is usefull when you are the support crew on the ground. I like to tie a 12 cresent wrench to the bottom of my ropes to keep the wind from catching them too bad. I also like to put my antennas up in the wind and rain for the simple reason that I know they will stay up. $14 an hour is dirt cheap, At that rate I should hire them to do my tower work. But really they are part of a crew and you have to consider if they get paid $1200 a job, that is split 6 ways and covers the crane rental. On 7/22/08, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I watched the show did you? I tower dogs earned more money than they said they do. I loved the view from the top of the towers. So what did all of you think about the show see ya 73's N1IB David Schornak Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1565 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 6:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1565 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 6:36 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Don, You always have to approach watching these things with the understanding that done the industry a better service is not among their goals. It's all about telling the viewer an interesting story. Even reality TV shows have writers! In this case, they seemed to be aiming more toward a plot that would make a good country song. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: de W5DK To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers Good help is hard to find in every trade nowadays. I could have done without the adult day care angle, we all see it every day with current work ethics and morals. They could have done the industry a better service with more facts and public service links to safety training. I think it highlights the industry problem with subcontractors and poor safety training along with energetic young personalities. Or the I can drink till 10 o'clock guy. Seems like a good deal for the carriers and a bad deal for the widows and family left behind. I'm not in the industry so that's just my opinion and I know training will only get you so far. Some people are un-trainable. Some of us hams have climbed allot compared to others, unfortunately most all of us with ZERO safety training. Except for what I read in Tune in the World or ARRL antenna books, I have no training. I have climbed with others and watched and corrected unsafe moves. I get more nervous watching others than climbing myself. The main things I took away from all this reading and discussion was that all the deaths were preventable and 100% tied off needs to be preached. I can't find the NATE training link I saw yesterday. It would be good for the amateur community to be exposed to better safety materials. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough. I also need to upgrade to newer better safety gear. 73 Don Kirchner W5DK
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Paul Finch wrote: The hard hat is a OSHA regulation.. And it's a good one. There's no way to be sure there isn't some loose hardware overhead that may be shook loose while climbing. Also a hard hat will save you head from banging into an overhead side mount or guy wire. I've had both to happen! Dex Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Joe wrote: YupWas it my imagination or was there an excessive number of commercials? Joe There's ALWAYS an excessive number of commercials...
RE: [Repeater-Builder] So I watched it NBC Dateline story on Tower Climbers
Fluff was my thought also. I keep wanting to say where's the beef. Interesting look at some of the personality types in the industry but no real hard information. Looked like just an opportunity of showing some artistic camera angles rather than trying to really tell a complete story. I also wondered why they stuck with just cell phone towers and didn't really touch on broadcast towers or the view from 1000+ feet. John Lock kf0m at arrl.net Chuck Kelsey wrote: Very disappointing program. Mostly fluff. Chuck WB2EDV Yahoo! Groups Links
