RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Richard]

I made some comments on this subject in another email, and they weren't
aimed at anyone who falls in the "baseball card license" category, but
towards those who won't take the time to do a little preliminary research
before asking a question. My comments weren't even aimed specifically
towards this group, but others, especially those that are for a specific
model of radio. This group is comprised of (in my opinion) the greatest
collection of talent and expertise that you'd find most anywhere, and a lot
can be learned by just reading the messages. My knowledge of repeaters is
very limited so I seldom post here, but I do read most of the messages.
 
On other groups, I've seen many questions posed by people who have obviously
never opened the manual. So, to avoid falling into the "baseball card"
category, just:
 
1. Read the manual!
2. Search the message base! (hint: you can see 98% of all questions asked by
going back only two to three weeks)
3. Use Google!
 
Then if you still can't find the answer, by all means ask!
 
Richard
 <http://www.n7tgb.net/> www.n7tgb.net
 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cicirello
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:43 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder




Scott,

I for one will be reluctant to ask on line again in fear of falling into the
baseball card category licensee. My expertise is in the law and I understand
that everyone don't know how to find the massive information and I agree
some are lazy, me included sometimes. I didn't know this was a problem, so I
for one will be very cautious in the future. I must say I am a little
disappointed with the remarks.

73 JIM   KA2AJH  Wellsville NY

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder

With all of the excellent info and resources, this is without a doubt the
very best available. You are correct. It points up the "let the other guy do
it syndrome" I always thought one had to have a bit of technical knowledge
to get a license. I'm beginning to wonder if they come with baseball cards.
Google alone will produce enough tech info to help educate most anyone. I
only wish this resource had been there when I was growing up. In those times
one had to read a book and seek mentoring on questions. 


Scott Zimmerman wrote: 

I agree with Mike. As owner of Repeater-Builder, (the company) I get more 
than my fair share of these types of e-mail myself. Sometimes it makes for a

good chuckle, but more often it just makes me sad to think of all the 
information we provide; and yet some people are too lazy to read and digest 
it on their own.
 
Oh Well..
 
Scott
 
Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ"  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder
 
 
  

The authors and webmasters at repeater-builder
get some STRANGE emails...
 
It seems that way too many people skim an article
and then immediately email the author asking him
to do all the work, even when all the info is in the
article.
 
Then there are those that don't even read the articles.
 
Other times we just get weird emails  like this one:
 


The repeater at work has a problem hearing the
walkie talkies (it's at a shopping mall). The antenna
cable was damaged and the guys at Radio Shack
gave us some new stuff so I know it's good. The unit
says Motorola M100 and GM300 on the front.
Will a preamp help?   Is this one any good?
 
  

 
<http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/25A001/35/RF%2DPreamplifier%2DModule
>
<http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/25A001/35/RF%2DPreamplifier%2DModule
>
 
Sigh.  I answered back and told them to get with a
good local 2-way shop, that it was impossible to diagnose
from across the country.
 
(click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
a scanner.  The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
much there...)
 
Mike WA6ILQ
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Kevin Custer]

Someone wrote:
> Wasn't the original post on this subject about the emails sent directly 
> to the repeater-builder webmaster and owners and not about the post that 
> are made to the email reflector?  If so I believe this discussion has 
> got off course.

Yes, Exactly

Here is one for you to decipher:
> Kevin,
>
> Will a Decibel Products DB4076 UHF Duplexer Tune into the 440 MHZ Ham 
> Band without any Trouble?  I just want to make sure For the High Pass 
> Tuning of the Duplexer Is the Notch in front to reject the Transmitter 
> energy? And on the Low Pass Notch side is the Notch beside the Pass 
> Frequency?  I just want to make sure I have the tuning of duplexers 
> down pat.

Kevin

RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Richard]

It was, but it's also a common problem on discussion lists, so it was a
natural progression.
 
Richard
 <http://www.n7tgb.net/> www.n7tgb.net
 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dexter McIntyre W4DEX
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder



Wasn't the original post on this subject about the emails sent directly 
to the repeater-builder webmaster and owners and not about the post that 
are made to the email reflector? If so I believe this discussion has 
got off course.

Dexter


 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Dexter McIntyre W4DEX]

Wasn't the original post on this subject about the emails sent directly 
to the repeater-builder webmaster and owners and not about the post that 
are made to the email reflector?  If so I believe this discussion has 
got off course.

Dexter

Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[MCH]

I'll save you even more by buying your Angles for $3 each!
;->

Joe M.

Ken Arck wrote:
> 
> At 06:13 PM 2/28/2008, you wrote:
> 
> >(click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
> >a scanner. The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
> >much there...)
> 
>  AngleLinear preamps and replace 'em with this one.
> 
> Think of all the money I could save!
> 
> Ken
> 
> ---
> I am Shakespeare of Borg. Prepare to be or not to be
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Ken Arck]

At 06:13 PM 2/28/2008, you wrote:


>(click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
>a scanner. The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
>much there...)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[michaelhq54]

This is a common "problem" on e-mail reflectors, and message boards.  No one is 
saying "don't ask/post/e-mail". They are saying, search the web, and read the 
information, and if you still have questions, then ask.

You stated you know the law. Not sure which law school you went to, or how they 
worked, but in my school, you learned by reading cases, briefing, and then 
being called on in class. Sure, sometimes you won't understand the concept, and 
need to ask a professor to clarify. Same is true on the web. Read the info, and 
try to understand. If you don't get the concept, ask the professor (the 
knowledgeable people) for clarification. What do you think would happen if you 
walked into class one day, and asked the professor to explain Torts?

Michael
-Original Message-
From: "Jim Cicirello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:43:00 
To:
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder


Scott, 
  
I for one will be reluctant to ask on line again in fear of falling into the 
baseball card category licensee. My expertise is in the law and I understand 
that everyone don’t know how to find the massive information and I agree some 
are lazy, me included sometimes. I didn’t know this was a problem, so I for one 
will be very cautious in the future. I must say I am a little disappointed with 
the remarks. 
  
  
73 JIM   KA2AJH  Wellsville NY 
  
  
 
 

 
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Dave
 Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:29 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder 
  
 
 
 
With all of the excellent info and resources, this is without a doubt the very 
best available. You are correct. It points up the "let the other guy do it 
syndrome" I always thought one had to have a bit of technical knowledge to get 
a license. I'm beginning to wonder if they come with baseball cards. Google 
alone will produce enough tech info to help educate most anyone. I only wish 
this resource had been there when I was growing up. In those times one had to 
read a book and seek mentoring on questions. 
 
 




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Scott Zimmerman]

I NEVER said anything about "baseball card license" 
DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH

I knew Mike and my comments were going to be taken out of context. Some days it 
just doesn't pay to get out of bed.

Jim, You know exactly what types of emailers we were talking about, and that we 
not referring to you or anyone else specifically.

Our free advice is just that, free to all, but as with most things, some people 
in this world take advantage of that. What is the use of us providing our good, 
free information if people are not going to take the time to look at it? Why go 
through the motions? Should we just put a paragraph on our site that says 
"e-mail us with any and all questions regardless of whether the information you 
seek is on this site?" That's dumb.

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Cicirello 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:43 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder


  Scott,

   

  I for one will be reluctant to ask on line again in fear of falling into the 
baseball card category licensee. My expertise is in the law and I understand 
that everyone don't know how to find the massive information and I agree some 
are lazy, me included sometimes. I didn't know this was a problem, so I for one 
will be very cautious in the future. I must say I am a little disappointed with 
the remarks.

   

   

  73 JIM   KA2AJH  Wellsville NY

   

   


--

  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Dave
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:29 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder

   

  With all of the excellent info and resources, this is without a doubt the 
very best available. You are correct. It points up the "let the other guy do it 
syndrome" I always thought one had to have a bit of technical knowledge to get 
a license. I'm beginning to wonder if they come with baseball cards. Google 
alone will produce enough tech info to help educate most anyone. I only wish 
this resource had been there when I was growing up. In those times one had to 
read a book and seek mentoring on questions. 


  Scott Zimmerman wrote: 

   


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Chuck Kelsey]

You mean like the perpetual LMR400/9913 feedline question that comes up every 
other week ;-)

Chuck
WB2EDV


  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder


  You constantly see that on all kinds of discussion lists. Rather than read 
the manual, search the message archive, or use Google, they'll just fire off a 
message with a stupid question that was asked just days earlier.

  Richard
  www.n7tgb.net

RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Jim Cicirello]

Scott,

 

I for one will be reluctant to ask on line again in fear of falling into the
baseball card category licensee. My expertise is in the law and I understand
that everyone don't know how to find the massive information and I agree
some are lazy, me included sometimes. I didn't know this was a problem, so I
for one will be very cautious in the future. I must say I am a little
disappointed with the remarks.

 

 

73 JIM   KA2AJH  Wellsville NY

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder

 

With all of the excellent info and resources, this is without a doubt the
very best available. You are correct. It points up the "let the other guy do
it syndrome" I always thought one had to have a bit of technical knowledge
to get a license. I'm beginning to wonder if they come with baseball cards.
Google alone will produce enough tech info to help educate most anyone. I
only wish this resource had been there when I was growing up. In those times
one had to read a book and seek mentoring on questions. 


Scott Zimmerman wrote: 

I agree with Mike. As owner of Repeater-Builder, (the company) I get more 
than my fair share of these types of e-mail myself. Sometimes it makes for a

good chuckle, but more often it just makes me sad to think of all the 
information we provide; and yet some people are too lazy to read and digest 
it on their own.
 
Oh Well..
 
Scott
 
Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ"  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder
 
 
  

The authors and webmasters at repeater-builder
get some STRANGE emails...
 
It seems that way too many people skim an article
and then immediately email the author asking him
to do all the work, even when all the info is in the
article.
 
Then there are those that don't even read the articles.
 
Other times we just get weird emails  like this one:
 


The repeater at work has a problem hearing the
walkie talkies (it's at a shopping mall). The antenna
cable was damaged and the guys at Radio Shack
gave us some new stuff so I know it's good. The unit
says Motorola M100 and GM300 on the front.
Will a preamp help?   Is this one any good?
 
  

 
<http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/25A001/35/RF%2DPreamplifier%2DModule
>
<http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/25A001/35/RF%2DPreamplifier%2DModule
>
 
Sigh.  I answered back and told them to get with a
good local 2-way shop, that it was impossible to diagnose
from across the country.
 
(click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
a scanner.  The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
much there...)
 
Mike WA6ILQ
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Dave]

With all of the excellent info and resources, this is without a doubt 
the very best available. You are correct. It points up the "let the 
other guy do it syndrome" I always thought one had to have a bit of 
technical knowledge to get a license. I'm beginning to wonder if they 
come with baseball cards. Google alone will produce enough tech info to 
help educate most anyone. I only wish this resource had been there when 
I was growing up. In those times one had to read a book and seek 
mentoring on questions.



Scott Zimmerman wrote:
I agree with Mike. As owner of Repeater-Builder, (the company) I get more 
than my fair share of these types of e-mail myself. Sometimes it makes for a 
good chuckle, but more often it just makes me sad to think of all the 
information we provide; and yet some people are too lazy to read and digest 
it on their own.


Oh Well..

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder


  

The authors and webmasters at repeater-builder
get some STRANGE emails...

It seems that way too many people skim an article
and then immediately email the author asking him
to do all the work, even when all the info is in the
article.

Then there are those that don't even read the articles.

Other times we just get weird emails  like this one:



The repeater at work has a problem hearing the
walkie talkies (it's at a shopping mall). The antenna
cable was damaged and the guys at Radio Shack
gave us some new stuff so I know it's good. The unit
says Motorola M100 and GM300 on the front.
Will a preamp help?   Is this one any good?

  



Sigh.  I answered back and told them to get with a
good local 2-way shop, that it was impossible to diagnose
from across the country.

(click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
a scanner.  The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
much there...)

Mike WA6ILQ






Yahoo! Groups Links





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RE: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Richard]

You constantly see that on all kinds of discussion lists. Rather than read
the manual, search the message archive, or use Google, they'll just fire off
a message with a stupid question that was asked just days earlier.
 
Richard
 <http://www.n7tgb.net/> www.n7tgb.net
 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder



I agree with Mike. As owner of Repeater-Builder, (the company) I get more 
than my fair share of these types of e-mail myself. Sometimes it makes for a

good chuckle, but more often it just makes me sad to think of all the 
information we provide; and yet some people are too lazy to read and digest 
it on their own.

Oh Well..

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wa6ilq%40arrl.net> net>
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder

> The authors and webmasters at repeater-builder
> get some STRANGE emails...
>
> It seems that way too many people skim an article
> and then immediately email the author asking him
> to do all the work, even when all the info is in the
> article.
>
> Then there are those that don't even read the articles.
>
> Other times we just get weird emails like this one:
>
> > The repeater at work has a problem hearing the
> > walkie talkies (it's at a shopping mall). The antenna
> > cable was damaged and the guys at Radio Shack
> > gave us some new stuff so I know it's good. The unit
> > says Motorola M100 and GM300 on the front.
> > Will a preamp help? Is this one any good?
> >
> <http://www.alltroni
<http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/25A001/35/RF%2DPreamplifier%2DModule
> cs.com/cgi-bin/item/25A001/35/RF%2DPreamplifier%2DModule>
>
> Sigh. I answered back and told them to get with a
> good local 2-way shop, that it was impossible to diagnose
> from across the country.
>
> (click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
> a scanner. The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
> much there...)
>
> Mike WA6ILQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008

> 12:14 PM
> 



 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder....

[Scott Zimmerman]

I agree with Mike. As owner of Repeater-Builder, (the company) I get more 
than my fair share of these types of e-mail myself. Sometimes it makes for a 
good chuckle, but more often it just makes me sad to think of all the 
information we provide; and yet some people are too lazy to read and digest 
it on their own.

Oh Well..

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
474 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] The emails we get at repeater-builder


> The authors and webmasters at repeater-builder
> get some STRANGE emails...
>
> It seems that way too many people skim an article
> and then immediately email the author asking him
> to do all the work, even when all the info is in the
> article.
>
> Then there are those that don't even read the articles.
>
> Other times we just get weird emails  like this one:
>
> > The repeater at work has a problem hearing the
> > walkie talkies (it's at a shopping mall). The antenna
> > cable was damaged and the guys at Radio Shack
> > gave us some new stuff so I know it's good. The unit
> > says Motorola M100 and GM300 on the front.
> > Will a preamp help?   Is this one any good?
> >
> 
>
> Sigh.  I answered back and told them to get with a
> good local 2-way shop, that it was impossible to diagnose
> from across the country.
>
> (click on the link and look at it - it's obviously intended for
> a scanner.  The $2 suggests that there probably isn't
> much there...)
>
> Mike WA6ILQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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> 12:14 PM
>