Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
DOH! Its a work truck,I dont own it or control how its washed.Rustoleum black and a 4" brush made it all shiny and new again and will outlast the factory thin silver. But the point was it may work to strip the paint off the hardline... - Original Message - From: Mark Holman To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Problem is high pressure washers will indeed remove everything depends how much you take off, question is is there a rust resistant coating that the manufacturer may intentionally put on? what you may do is if its a chemical washer, like a degreaser it will take everything off, or even a hundred dollar store name brand 1,000 lbs will strip literally everything, I learned that at a Truck Dealership when I worked as Matienance person, then you may have a rust problem, then it defeats the rust proofing. Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RUemail address removed due tovirusesspam food come get it[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
There is a section in the rules that require the coverage of paint on the tower and that's where people get into trouble these days with cable ladders and covering a whole side or two of the tower with Black Coaxes. They no longer meet the coverage requirements,thus the cables need to be painted. Of course nowadays if you go with Strobes for Daytime you don't have to worry about the painting coverage. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Member: ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC -Original Message- From: Charles Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:38 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Any of my companies coax that runs outsidethe painted tower structural parts must be painted. If we run the coax inside the tower structure we don't have to paint the coax. JoeCharles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve,I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coaxpainted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, andlighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything inthe FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted.On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does notrequire painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it dependson the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport.If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coaxpainted I would like to read up on it.Charles MillerSr. Electronics TechnicianLead Field Service TechnicianCity of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop- Original Message - From: "Steve Grantham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <REPEATER-BUILDER@YAHOOGROUPS.COM>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PMSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Please correct the link in my last message to: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-1085A1.pdf At 10:29 PM 08/01/04, you wrote: Charles and the group, See www/hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-1085A1.pdf This is where Pinnacle Towers of Sarasota, FL was fined for having unpainted feedline. The rules are to ensure that the structure is painted in the FAA red (orange)/white scheme. If the paint is obstructed by something attached to the structure, this becomes part of the structure and must be painted to afford pilot visibility during daylight hours. If the tower is lit with white strobes, you do no need to paint the tower as the strobes mark the tower during both day and night hours. I used to work for a company that made tower site monitoring equipment and had to become very familiar with the requirements for tower lighting. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:38 PM 08/01/04, you wrote: Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Even this could be risky. There are about as many differing interpretations of the regulations as the number of inspectors or agentswho are reading them. If the density of lines going up the tower is sufficient to negate the contrast between the white and orange sections against the daytimesky, and the tower is not authorized for daytime lighting, then even this could be viewed as non-compliance. The bottom line here is, do you feel lucky? Steve - Original Message - From: Joe To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Any of my companies coax that runs outsidethe painted tower structural parts must be painted. If we run the coax inside the tower structure we don't have to paint the coax. JoeCharles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve,I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coaxpainted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, andlighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything inthe FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted.On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does notrequire painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it dependson the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport.If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coaxpainted I would like to read up on it.Charles MillerSr. Electronics TechnicianLead Field Service TechnicianCity of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop- Original Message - From: "Steve Grantham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <REPEATER-BUILDER@YAHOOGROUPS.COM>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PMSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Any tower of 200 ft must be lit with either strobe lights or conventional red lighting. There is also a formula for towers near the glide slope of an airport that may require towers under 200 ft be lit. A tower with conventional lighting must be painted with alternating bands of white and international orange. This includes coax and in some cases antennas too. Andrew makes radomes that are pre colored in orange or white for this purpose. If you look at the FCC actions and fines, having unpainted coax cables blocking the tower paint is a favorite these days. Lots of cell sites have added coax runs up a ladder and this is in violation of the rules. Look at the actions on the fcc.gov web site and you will see weekly fines for tower lighting or painting. It looks like this is the modern day equivalent of the speed trap for raising revenue. - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Charles, I get the FCC digest and there have been a number of instances where owners have been fined because the coax was not painted to match the tower. Does it make sense? Not really, but that is the FCC. Johnny Charles Miller wrote: Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
In recent years, many wireless towers have converted to daytime lighting, which has eliminated the necessity for transmission line painting. The instances I made reference to concerned lease towers, which had transmission lines added when wireless tenants occupied space after the tower had previously been constructed and painted by the landlord. If you will observe the skyline as you drive the highways, you will often see wireless towers that look like they are all black, this being due to the large size and number of lines installed. At this point, everyone hopes that such as these are lit with daytime strobes. If they are not, then they are just waiting for their luck to run out as they are not in compliance. This is where the trouble is found, and not necessarily where a lone piece of half-inch or seven-eighths line is running up the structure. The FCC and FAA are very sticky about the painting of towers that are not approved for daytime lighting, and the interpretation of paint chip vs. weathered structure paint hues is extremely subjective. Also, if you are going to occupy a tower site, be dang sure it's a registered tower if it is supposed to be. If it doesn't require marking and lightning, then it won't require registration. Otherwise, be sure to look for that sign displaying the ASR number to be conspicuously posted. Check Title 47 CFR Part 17 for more details. Search the FCC and FAA web sites for more information. See also FAA Obstruction Marking Lighting Advisory Circular 70/7460-1 for information. 73, Steve, AA5SG - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Actually, it makes perfect sense for the exact reason mentioned previously. If it gets to the point where all a pilot can see is a 'black' tower (even if it's only 25% black), it becomes a hazard. As for the city that requires the coax to be black or gray, well, have they ever heard of the term Federal Preemption? They can't overrule a federal law that requires them to be painted. Their only 'out' here is that there is a legal alternative to the paint - the tower can be equipped with daytime strobes. Maybe that's what they want. One tower I have equipment on went to daytime strobes. Actually, the owner installed a new lighting system. Across the entire spectrum, you now hear a pulsing whenever the strobes fire. If that isn't bad enough, at night there is a terrible noise for the ENTIRE duration of the 'on' time of the night incandescent emulation. As I said, this is across the entire spectrum, so it's affecting all users - including public safety. The tower owner doesn't seem to care. I won't say who it is, but they own a LOT of towers here in the NorthEast, and they should know better than to trash their sites for their customers. This tower used to be painted (and still is, albeit perhaps not legally anymore), and the daytime strobes were used to forego painting it again. I don't recall the lighting manufacturer, but has anyone else seen a similar problem? BTW, my system is right beside the top beacon, but the noise is almost as bad on a same-band antenna half way down the tower. Joe M. Johnny wrote: Charles, I get the FCC digest and there have been a number of instances where owners have been fined because the coax was not painted to match the tower. Does it make sense? Not really, but that is the FCC. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Thanks Glenn, I learned something. Charles - Original Message - From: Glenn Little WB4UIV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Charles and the group, See www/hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-1085A1.pdf This is where Pinnacle Towers of Sarasota, FL was fined for having unpainted feedline. The rules are to ensure that the structure is painted in the FAA red (orange)/white scheme. If the paint is obstructed by something attached to the structure, this becomes part of the structure and must be painted to afford pilot visibility during daylight hours. If the tower is lit with white strobes, you do no need to paint the tower as the strobes mark the tower during both day and night hours. I used to work for a company that made tower site monitoring equipment and had to become very familiar with the requirements for tower lighting. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:38 PM 08/01/04, you wrote: Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
I believe we are talking about a tower that is not required to be lit or FAA painted. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal As for the city that requires the coax to be black or gray, well, have they ever heard of the term Federal Preemption? They can't overrule a federal law that requires them to be painted. Their only 'out' here is that there is a legal alternative to the paint - the tower can be equipped with daytime strobes. Maybe that's what they want. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Go where every you go for FCC rules and read Part-17 it tells all about towers. - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Any tower of 200 ft must be lit with either strobe lights or conventional red lighting. There is also a formula for towers near the glide slope of an airport that may require towers under 200 ft be lit. A tower with conventional lighting must be painted with alternating bands of white and international orange. This includes coax and in some cases antennas too. Andrew makes radomes that are pre colored in orange or white for this purpose. If you look at the FCC actions and fines, having unpainted coax cables blocking the tower paint is a favorite these days. Lots of cell sites have added coax runs up a ladder and this is in violation of the rules. Look at the actions on the fcc.gov web site and you will see weekly fines for tower lighting or painting. It looks like this is the modern day equivalent of the speed trap for raising revenue. - Original Message - From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Steve, I am not aware of any tower owners being fined for not having the coax painted. The reason for this is that the tower is put up, painted, and lighted before the coax is ever installed. I have also not seen anything in the FCC rules or FAA regulations that require the coax to be painted. On another subject that was mentioned, There are times that a tower does not require painting. I do not remember the particulars for these but it depends on the lighting of the tower, height and distance from the airport. If you have an instance where a tower owner was fined for not having coax painted I would like to read up on it. Charles Miller Sr. Electronics Technician Lead Field Service Technician City of Dallas, Communications, Radio Shop - Original Message - From: Steve Grantham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal No... But they do require that some structures are painted, and those are not limited to by their proximity to an airport or airfield. And, there have been instances where folks were fined for having unpainted transmission line on painted structures. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Rustproof hardline ?? Now THERE'S an idea whose time has come ;) 73, Kenneth Buley Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KE4AWY Bullitt County EMA CD-2 Bullitt County Red Cross Disaster Communications BC-6 -Original Message-From: Mark Holman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:01 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Problem is high pressure washers will indeed remove everything depends how much you take off, question is is there a rust resistant coating that the manufacturer may intentionally put on? snip Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
Problem is high pressure washers will indeed remove everything depends how much you take off, question is is there a rust resistant coating that the manufacturer may intentionally put on? what you may do is if its a chemical washer, like a degreaser it will take everything off, or even a hundred dollar store name brand 1,000 lbs will strip literally everything, I learned that at a Truck Dealership when I worked as Matienance person, then you may have a rust problem, then it defeats the rust proofing. Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RUemail address removed due tovirusesspam food come get it[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Q To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal Ummm,you might try a high pressure power washer to remove the paint,mine did a great job of removing the paint from my work truck bumpers,though unintended! - Original Message - From: W8KT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal OK, I should have been more specific. This is going on my tower. It is a 140 foot length of Andrew 1 1/4" hardline. I have been very careful in the components used to avoid any "problems". The tower is Pirod as is all of the hardware. Lightning rod, "T" bars for the snap in hangers, etc. All grounding is #2 stranded with 3 ground rods per leg all tied together. All cables grounded. Polyphasers on all lines. Single point ground for the entire station. Just trying to save a few bucks on the transmission lines.Thanks for all the tips,Bob[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
OK, I should have been more specific. This is going on my tower. It is a 140 foot length of Andrew 1 1/4" hardline. I have been very careful in the components used to avoid any "problems". The tower is Pirod as is all of the hardware. Lightning rod, "T" bars for the snap in hangers, etc. All grounding is #2 stranded with 3 ground rods per leg all tied together. All cables grounded. Polyphasers on all lines. Single point ground for the entire station. Just trying to save a few bucks on the transmission lines. Thanks for all the tips, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm! FAA doesn't paint coax cables! However, If this hardline was attached to and then removed from a structure located near an airport or airfield, then there would be some orange and white paint. This paint should do no particular harm to the coax cable jacket. Personally, if this coax you have is RG-331 or RG-333, I'd put it on eBay and get some good coax. Roger Hansen RF Comm Engr (Contract) FAA Regional Office, Seattle In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:58:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, W8KT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, dumb question I know. The local government here says any towers in the village nust be silver or grey. Cables can be silver or black. I just aquired some hardline that I woulld like to use, but it is painted FAA colors. Anyone ever try to remove paint from hardline? The coat is not thick, appears to only have been painted once. Flame suit on. Bob Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FAA Paint Removal
This is a twist. It is usually the FAA that's giving the grief because of faded paint, which would require repainting in aviation colors. I take it you are putting it on a short tower that's not registered with the FCC/FAA. It is possible that it could be anything from latex to enamel. Maybe you could cut off a foot or two and carry it by your local paint store. If they can't recommend a solvent, maybe they can recommend some black or silver paint to cover it with. 73, Steve, AA5SG On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 18:58, W8KT wrote: OK, dumb question I know. The local government here says any towers in the village nust be silver or grey. Cables can be silver or black. I just aquired some hardline that I woulld like to use, but it is painted FAA colors. Anyone ever try to remove paint from hardline? The coat is not thick, appears to only have been painted once. Flame suit on. Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
