email notify (was RE: verify media)

[Craig Isaacs]

Open the Retrospect installation folder. Two folders have been installed:

ReportsWatcher
External Scripts

Open the external scripts folder and then open the email notifier folder.
Inside, there's a file you can edit to add your email address(es) for
notification.

Also, ReportsWatcher is pretty cool -- you can use a browser to monitor the
status of your Retrospect Backup computers.

HTH,

Craig

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> What options do us NT Backup Server users have for email notification?
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RE: verify media

[Adam Hill]

What options do us NT Backup Server users have for email notification?

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Re: verify media

[Matthew Tevenan]

Jeff and everyone,

The Outlook Express e-mail event handler included with Retrospect 4.1 and
4.2 does not work with OE 5. We have a version that does, though. Please
e-mail me directly if you would like to receive it. I expect we'll be
shipping it with our next version of Retrospect.

Regards,

Matthew Tevenan
Technical Support Specialist
Dantz Development Corporation
925.253.3050 
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> From: Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:46:18 -0400
> To: retro-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: verify media
> 
>>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.
> 
> I've got the e-mail feature working to e-mail me logs and everything else
> and to page me if there is an error or for tape requests. (my alpha/numeric
> pager has an e-mail address). It works great. I love this feature, because I
> don't have to constantly check the server.
> 
> I have it working with Outlook Express 4.0 (the script with Retrospect 4.2
> doesn't apparently work with Outlook Express 5 or at least I couldn't get it
> to work). I just followed the instructions in the manual. Let me know if you
> still can't get it to work.
> 
> I haven't tried it with other e-mail programs.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> System Administrator
> Just Partners
> 1710 East Franklin Street, Suite 150
> Richmond, VA 23223
> (804) 698-6309
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>> From: Eric Zylstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:41:41 -0500
>> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: verify media
>> 
>>>> I'm talking about byte-by-byte comparison.  If you do no comparison,
>>>> do you check to see that your data is restorable?  If you don't check
>>>> it, you must not have heard the common stories about having no
>>>> useable backup after a major crash.  I've heard many.
>>> 
>>> What do you do when you get a bad byte-by-byte comparison?
>> 
>> I monitor by backups daily.  If I see a media failure, I give the
>> drive another shot with the tape cleaner, try the tape immediately
>> for another backup and if it fails, throw it into the garbage.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.
>> 
>> There is a way you can manage this with AppleScript, but I've not
>> implemented it myself.
>> 
>> 
>>> I plan to use Luke Jaegers suggestion of one tape each day, wouldn't that
>>> be secure enough?? I mean, if the byte-to-byte comparisson fails it nly
>>> matters if it fails on the single files the client were just working with
>>> or did I miss something...
>> 
>> The key is that you need to know the media -or- the drive has failed.
>> Otherwise, you experience a silent failure--the write to tape failed,
>> but you have no idea until you attempt to do a critical restore.
>> Then you are screwed.
>> 
>> Now, if you have sufficient funding for a new tape every day (365 1/4
>> tapes a year), then you probably could find a faster and better
>> backup apparatus (i. e., a bunch of IDE drives).
>> 
>> Hope you enjoy your holiday.
>> 
>> Eric Zylstra
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
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Re: verify media -> email client

[Philip Chonacky]

>
>I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.
>
>Maybe I do another try around christmas or if anyone have a brighter
>sollution than the current, please mail it to me, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


I use Eudora Lite v3.1.3 available at http://www.qualcomm.com

It works well for me, and doesn't utolize lots of memory.

___
Philip Chonacky, IS Manager
Barrett Companies
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fx. (617) 577-1010
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Re: verify media

[Nicholas Froome]

Serge


>Please, WHERE is that automatic e-mail feature in retrospect?

It uses an AppleScript to accept/intercept messages from Retrospect and to send email 
from a local email client. Look (as I recall) in the additions / extras / addons 
folder in the Retrospect Folder and also check the manual.

A local email server is pretty much essential unless your net connection picks up very 
fast. It requires a bit of setting up, but once done the email notification is 
excellent.

This assumes that you are using a Macintosh server. I do not know about Windows.


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Re: verify media

[Jeff Johnson]

Sorry, I should state that the AppleScript utilities folder is installed
when you install Retrospect and can be found in the Retrospect program
folder.

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> From: Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:12:10 -0400
> To: retro-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: verify media
> 
> It uses the "Retrospect Event handler" which is in the AppleScript utilities
> folder. It is a separate program that runs in the background.
> 
> The instructions for setting it up start on Page 193 of the Retrospect
> User's Guide for version 4.2.
> 
> You don't have to know anything about using AppleScript to set it up.
> 
> Pretty simple!
> 
> -- 
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> System Administrator
> Just Partners
> 1710 East Franklin Street, Suite 150
> Richmond, VA 23223
> (804) 698-6309
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> From: Serge Paulus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 17 Jul 2000 16:02:50 +0200
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: verify media
>> 
>> Please, WHERE is that automatic e-mail feature in retrospect?
>> 
>> On lundi 17 juillet 2000, Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>>>>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>>>>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each
>>> time.
>>> 
>>> I've got the e-mail feature working to e-mail me logs and everything else
>>> and to page me if there is an error or for tape requests. (my alpha/numeric
>>> pager has an e-mail address). It works great. I love this feature, because I
>>> don't have to constantly check the server.
>>> 
>>> I have it working with Outlook Express 4.0 (the script with Retrospect 4.2
>>> doesn't apparently work with Outlook Express 5 or at least I couldn't get it
>>> to work). I just followed the instructions in the manual. Let me know if you
>>> still can't get it to work.
>>> 
>>> I haven't tried it with other e-mail programs.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: verify media

[Jeff Johnson]

It uses the "Retrospect Event handler" which is in the AppleScript utilities
folder. It is a separate program that runs in the background.

The instructions for setting it up start on Page 193 of the Retrospect
User's Guide for version 4.2.

You don't have to know anything about using AppleScript to set it up.

Pretty simple!

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1710 East Franklin Street, Suite 150
Richmond, VA 23223
(804) 698-6309
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> From: Serge Paulus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 17 Jul 2000 16:02:50 +0200
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: verify media
> 
> Please, WHERE is that automatic e-mail feature in retrospect?
> 
> On lundi 17 juillet 2000, Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>>>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>>>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each
>> time.
>> 
>> I've got the e-mail feature working to e-mail me logs and everything else
>> and to page me if there is an error or for tape requests. (my alpha/numeric
>> pager has an e-mail address). It works great. I love this feature, because I
>> don't have to constantly check the server.
>> 
>> I have it working with Outlook Express 4.0 (the script with Retrospect 4.2
>> doesn't apparently work with Outlook Express 5 or at least I couldn't get it
>> to work). I just followed the instructions in the manual. Let me know if you
>> still can't get it to work.
>> 
>> I haven't tried it with other e-mail programs.
>> 
>> 
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Re: verify media

[Serge Paulus]

Please, WHERE is that automatic e-mail feature in retrospect?

On lundi 17 juillet 2000, Jeff Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each
>time.
>
>I've got the e-mail feature working to e-mail me logs and everything else
>and to page me if there is an error or for tape requests. (my alpha/numeric
>pager has an e-mail address). It works great. I love this feature, because I
>don't have to constantly check the server.
>
>I have it working with Outlook Express 4.0 (the script with Retrospect 4.2
>doesn't apparently work with Outlook Express 5 or at least I couldn't get it
>to work). I just followed the instructions in the manual. Let me know if you
>still can't get it to work.
>
>I haven't tried it with other e-mail programs.
>
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Re: verify media

[Jeff Johnson]

>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.

I've got the e-mail feature working to e-mail me logs and everything else
and to page me if there is an error or for tape requests. (my alpha/numeric
pager has an e-mail address). It works great. I love this feature, because I
don't have to constantly check the server.

I have it working with Outlook Express 4.0 (the script with Retrospect 4.2
doesn't apparently work with Outlook Express 5 or at least I couldn't get it
to work). I just followed the instructions in the manual. Let me know if you
still can't get it to work.

I haven't tried it with other e-mail programs.


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System Administrator
Just Partners
1710 East Franklin Street, Suite 150
Richmond, VA 23223
(804) 698-6309
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> From: Eric Zylstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:41:41 -0500
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: verify media
> 
>>> I'm talking about byte-by-byte comparison.  If you do no comparison,
>>> do you check to see that your data is restorable?  If you don't check
>>> it, you must not have heard the common stories about having no
>>> useable backup after a major crash.  I've heard many.
>> 
>> What do you do when you get a bad byte-by-byte comparison?
> 
> I monitor by backups daily.  If I see a media failure, I give the
> drive another shot with the tape cleaner, try the tape immediately
> for another backup and if it fails, throw it into the garbage.
> 
> 
> 
>> I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>> that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>> get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.
> 
> There is a way you can manage this with AppleScript, but I've not
> implemented it myself.
> 
> 
>> I plan to use Luke Jaegers suggestion of one tape each day, wouldn't that
>> be secure enough?? I mean, if the byte-to-byte comparisson fails it nly
>> matters if it fails on the single files the client were just working with
>> or did I miss something...
> 
> The key is that you need to know the media -or- the drive has failed.
> Otherwise, you experience a silent failure--the write to tape failed,
> but you have no idea until you attempt to do a critical restore.
> Then you are screwed.
> 
> Now, if you have sufficient funding for a new tape every day (365 1/4
> tapes a year), then you probably could find a faster and better
> backup apparatus (i. e., a bunch of IDE drives).
> 
> Hope you enjoy your holiday.
> 
> Eric Zylstra
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Re: verify media

[Eric Zylstra]

>  >I'm talking about byte-by-byte comparison.  If you do no comparison,
>  >do you check to see that your data is restorable?  If you don't check
>  >it, you must not have heard the common stories about having no
>  >useable backup after a major crash.  I've heard many.
>
>What do you do when you get a bad byte-by-byte comparison?

I monitor by backups daily.  If I see a media failure, I give the 
drive another shot with the tape cleaner, try the tape immediately 
for another backup and if it fails, throw it into the garbage.



>I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
>that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
>get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.

There is a way you can manage this with AppleScript, but I've not 
implemented it myself.


>I plan to use Luke Jaegers suggestion of one tape each day, wouldn't that
>be secure enough?? I mean, if the byte-to-byte comparisson fails it nly
>matters if it fails on the single files the client were just working with
>or did I miss something...

The key is that you need to know the media -or- the drive has failed. 
Otherwise, you experience a silent failure--the write to tape failed, 
but you have no idea until you attempt to do a critical restore. 
Then you are screwed.

Now, if you have sufficient funding for a new tape every day (365 1/4 
tapes a year), then you probably could find a faster and better 
backup apparatus (i. e., a bunch of IDE drives).

Hope you enjoy your holiday.

Eric Zylstra
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Re: verify media

[jakob krabbe]

>I'm talking about byte-by-byte comparison.  If you do no comparison, 
>do you check to see that your data is restorable?  If you don't check 
>it, you must not have heard the common stories about having no 
>useable backup after a major crash.  I've heard many.

OK, i'm off for a 3 weeks vaccation any day but i'll read my mail when i
come home.

What do you do when you get a bad byte-by-byte comparison?

I also wished Dantz included a small email client in the retro server so
that the log could easilly be mailed to the administrator. I've tried to
get the thirdparty thing to work twize but it fails each time.

Maybe I do another try around christmas or if anyone have a brighter
sollution than the current, please mail it to me, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I plan to use Luke Jaegers suggestion of one tape each day, wouldn't that
be secure enough?? I mean, if the byte-to-byte comparisson fails it nly
matters if it fails on the single files the client were just working with
or did I miss something... 

My experience with our hardware is that if one leave them they usually can
stand trouble free for years. It's been like that so far.

We did our backup to a harddrive before we bought the VXA tapes and I'm new
to tape bakup.

thanx,

/ jakob


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Re: verify media

[Eric Zylstra]

>What exactly is the purpose of verifying media after copying it?

To prevent data loss.


>How often is a file copied incorrect?

Every time a tape goes bad.


>My guess is that one file out of 10 billion, 10.000.000.000, is incorrect
>copied and I'm ain't gonna take the time to look for that file...
>
>I can see the point in verifying media but still, I see no point in
>veifying media...

I'm talking about byte-by-byte comparison.  If you do no comparison, 
do you check to see that your data is restorable?  If you don't check 
it, you must not have heard the common stories about having no 
useable backup after a major crash.  I've heard many.

Eric Zylstra
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verify media

[jakob krabbe]

What exactly is the purpose of verifying media after copying it?

How often is a file copied incorrect? It would be like copying 5 files over
the network but only four is correct copied and can be used...

Also, that means one have to check the entire log after every single backup
and recopy bad files and seriously, how many of you folks out there really
take the time to do so?

My guess is that one file out of 10 billion, 10.000.000.000, is incorrect
copied and I'm ain't gonna take the time to look for that file...

I can see the point in verifying media but still, I see no point in
veifying media...

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Vive la France! - Happy holiday!

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