Re: Defining the origin of P2/n

2004-04-03 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Stephen,
Whether the space group is centrosymmetric or not isn't the issue. The question is 
whether it is polar or not. P2/n is not polar (i.e. origin defined relative to some 
symmetry element) but P2 is polar (i.e y coordinate not chosen relative to a symmetry 
element).
Bob Von Dreele



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Dear Robert B.Von Dreele

Thank you for your explanation.
Therefore GSAS could do the origin fixing for us when the space group is not
centrosymmetric. Can I boardly say that?

regards,
stephen









Re: Defining the origin of P2/n

2004-04-03 Thread Allen Larson
Stephen and Bob,

The issue very simply is once you define a site as 'x,y,z', are -x, -y, and -z
all used in the definition of other sites in the group? If so the origin has
been defined. If not the origin is arbitrary in those directions lacking a minus
sign on their operator. This may be over simplifying things, but it might clear
up some of this discussion. 

For P2/n the 2-fold axis defines the x and z origin and the n-glide defines the
y origin.

Allen C. Larson

Von Dreele, Robert B. wrote:
 
 Stephen,
 Whether the space group is centrosymmetric or not isn't the issue. The question is 
 whether it is polar or not. P2/n is not polar (i.e. origin defined relative to some 
 symmetry element) but P2 is polar (i.e y coordinate not chosen relative to a 
 symmetry element).
 Bob Von Dreele
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed 3/31/2004 9:23 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Dear Robert B.Von Dreele
 
 Thank you for your explanation.
 Therefore GSAS could do the origin fixing for us when the space group is not
 centrosymmetric. Can I boardly say that?
 
 regards,
 stephen