Re: Next Endeavour version without Hofmann potential
The algorithm is in the literature, so why prevent the implementation of it in software? It is true, the algorithm is in the literature; unfortunately, the exact form of the potential and especially its parameters have not been published yet. These parameters (which have been extracted from the CSD structures by Dr. Hofmann throughout several years of work and extensive computer calculations) are the actual valuable information, though... Holger Putz *** Dr. Holger Putz Crystal Impact Dr. K. Brandenburg Dr. H. Putz GbR Postfach 12 51 53002 Bonn Germany Tel . : +49-228-9813643 Fax : +49-228-9813644 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.crystalimpact.com ***
Re: Next Endeavour version without Hofmann potential
Hi, My initial subject line was : Where we go with monopolistic licensed databases ? A bad example below... It was changed automatically by the ILL mail server, replacing it by the subject of the forwarded email about Endeavour. So, if some results obtained from these monopolistic databases are now only usable by those having the database licence, then the question is what next ? Will some solutions obtained from commercial software be disclosed only to those having paid the same licence software ? Etc. I may also play the role of the devil attorney and add my two cents : Pushing the commercial logic to the extreme may suggest that any publication about a commercial software or database is in fact an advertisement and should be treated as such by the editor. So, the CCDC (etc) or Crystal Impact or Accelrys should have paid the IUCr for making these large number of page advertisements about DASH, ENDEAVOUR, POWDERSOLVE, XCELL, etc, etc in the J. Appl. Cryst. (and see that whole special issue about databases in Acta Cryst. B58 part 3 number 1). All these papers praise the merits of commercial products (and generally the not surprising conclusions are that they are quite good ;-). Well, no problem, advertisements about food are paid by the consumers, this is well known, so that the costs of these advertisement pages would be reported on the software and database costs. Is that not a good idea ? Armel PS - The CNRS has pull on the shoe of the GPL (Gnu Public Licence) and open source software. They have adapted the licence to the french law sauce : http://www.sg.cnrs.fr/daj/3propriete/licencelogiciel.htm
Re: Wykoff positions of Hopeite
Would anyone please send me the wykoff positions of Hopeite, Zn3(PO4)2. [H2O]4. Hopeite, as a mineral, can be found in the AMCSD : http://www.geo.arizona.edu/AMS/amcsd.php or in the COD : http://www.crystallography.net/ Both open databases. Armel
Re: Wykoff positions of Hopeite
At 06:54 07/07/2004, you wrote: Would anyone please send me the wykoff positions of Hopeite, Zn3(PO4)2. [H2O]4. Just login to http://icsdweb.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ and type Hopeite into the Mineral name then click Details. You can also draw the structure and powder pattern. Mg1 (4c)2 Zn1 (4c)2 Zn2 (8d)2 P1 (8d)5 O1 (4c)-2 O2 (4c)-2 O3 (8d)-2 O4 (8d)-2 O5 (8d)-2 O6 (8d)-2 O7 (8d)-2 H1 (8*)1 Dr Alan W. Hewat, Diffraction Group Leader. Institut Laue-Langevin, BP 156X Grenoble FRANCE 38042 fax (33)4.76.20.76.48 tel (33)4.76.20.72.13 (or .26 Mme Guillermet) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ill.fr/dif/AlanHewat.htm ___
Re: Next Endeavour version without Hofmann potential
My initial subject line was : Where we go with monopolistic licensed databases ? I'm disappointed. After all the thunder we end up with French cuisine. The CNRS... have adapted (the GPL Gnu Public Licence) and open source software licence to the french law sauce : You can't adapt a law or a license - either you obey it or you don't. We have heard so much about the evils of monopolistic databases that I would like to quote what MySQL wrote recently about the use of their product for the Inorganic Crystal Structure Database (ICSD). Your operating model... is a stellar example of how one might integrate with MySQL while still adhering to confines of the GPL or in other words, managing to keep your product open source. But it's almost time for lunch. Alan. Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax (33) 4.76.20.76.48 (33) 4.76.20.72.13 (.26 Mme Guillermet) http://www.ill.fr/dif/AlanHewat.htm ___
Re: Next Endeavour version without Hofmann potential
Your operating model... is a stellar example of how one might integrate with MySQL while still adhering to confines of the GPL or in other words, managing to keep your product open source. Thanks for the confirmation. Exactly what I said : advertisement for extremely good commercial products. Stellar example, wow. Sure, nothing is comparable, the product has not any competitor. Only one star in the sky. You cannot look elsewhere. The star is the most brilliant one. Impossible to be disappointed. Adding 2 more cents about the possibility for a special treatment in scientific journals of these manuscripts which are totally devoted to the presentation of a commercial software or of a commercial database (any commercial product, including the NIST standard reference materials, diffractometers, etc). If all these papers in scientific journals on commercial software, which you will never be able to afford, were paid as advertisement pages by the software vendors, this would decrease the cost of the journals for all peoples. In a sense, the mass is paying for the advertisements of Acelrys (etc). Just like if your newspaper was full of advertisements for Porsche, Ferrari, BMW and Mercedes cars (not any french car here) and like if the cost of a sample of the newspaper was including the cost of these advertisement pages. We all know that without advertisments, these newspapers would be 3 or 4 times more expensive. Advertisements is the rule for the presentation of diffractometers and so on, why not for any commercial product, including the software and databases ? Including the FIZ-Karlsruhe-NIST-ICSD stellar example ? I just try to help to make a more clear difference between the knowledge traditionally shared between scientists, without restriction, and the money-making knowledge sold by companies having sometimes a you can't do this for that language. Armel
Re: Wykoff positions of Hopeite
Dear All, Many thanks for the immediate response. Informations are extremely useful. Regards, Jose At 06:54 07/07/2004, you wrote: Would anyone please send me the wykoff positions of Hopeite, Zn3(PO4)2. [H2O]4? Dr. R. Jose AIST-Research Staff Single Molecular Bioanalysis Laboratory National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology 2217-14 Hayashi Cho Takamatsu 761-0395 Kagawa Japan Tel:+81-87-869-4104 Fax:+81-87-869-4113
Re: Re: Next Endeavour version without Hofmann potential
Armel: as in the past such debates are mute and go nowhere; these days, fame and fortunes are gained by those who copy the fastest and most efficiently or as one of your most brilliant countrymen, H. Balzac, put it: behind every fortune there is a crime; once you accept this you can go on with life... and don't have to waste your time defending ideals which seem to be a thing of the past; Well, there's this annoying achievement of mankind called moral...
