Re: Find-it
Dear Alan, so it seems I am using an Interface version which is too old. I guess I should urge the responsibles to update it. Thanks for the information. Best wishes, Frank Alan Hewat wrote: Dear Frank, As I wrote, I was referring to my personal opinion and the new ICSD WWW pages on http://icsd.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ which do allow consecutive searches, combination of results and methods of searching for similar structures, structure-types etc. FIZ provides both WWW and FINDIT versions under the exact same conditions, so the choice is yours (previously FINDIT was cheaper). As I wrote, FIZ even allow you to trade in a license for one version against another, and provides demo versions of both to allow you to choose. Certainly each has pros and cons, and I have not tried to list all of them. In particular ICSD is good at drawing structures using Jmol such that it is usually easy to see immediately the chemical interest of the structure. ICSD was the first to use this kind of drawing for inorganic structures, but it has now been adopted by all IUCr journals http://journals.iucr.org/ as well as other databases such as the Cambridge Organic database http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ the Zeolite database http://www.iza-structure.org/databases/ etc Alan. Frank Girgsdies said: Dear Alan, isn't it a little bit unfair to list just the Pros but skip the Cons? We used to have a FINDIT subscription several years ago. Sadly, our purchasing department canceled the subscription when we got institutional access to the WWW version. If I remember correctly, FINDIT had far more options to customize and tweak a search than the WWW interface offers. You could e.g. search for reduced cells, conduct several consecutive searches and combine the results, select positive hits from the list and skip the rest, export the selected hits etc. All these are features which I miss badly in the WWW version (Or is there a way? Maybe I'm using the wrong engine (http://icsd.fkf.mpg.de)?) So, if you are just looking for a specific crystal structure, the WWW version is nice because it is always up-to-date. But if you try to condcut a systematic and as-complete-as-possible study on a class of compounds, it can be really frustrating to have just the WWW version instead of FINDIT. However, this is just a personal opinion based on experience from several years ago. Maybe the boundary conditions have changed since then... Best wishes, Frank Alan Hewat wrote: I have problem to use FINDIT software: after the starting windows, sometimes it freeze. Is there anyone that know how resolve this problem? FINDIT runs the PC version of the ICSD database. My personal opinion :-) is that you should switch to the WWW version on http://icsd.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ You can get a demo account and you can trade in your FINDIT license for a WWW ICSD license, which will always be up to date and run on any computer. Alan. __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __
Re: Find-it
Dear Frank, As I wrote, I was referring to my personal opinion and the new ICSD WWW pages on http://icsd.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ which do allow consecutive searches, combination of results and methods of searching for similar structures, structure-types etc. FIZ provides both WWW and FINDIT versions under the exact same conditions, so the choice is yours (previously FINDIT was cheaper). As I wrote, FIZ even allow you to trade in a license for one version against another, and provides demo versions of both to allow you to choose. Certainly each has pros and cons, and I have not tried to list all of them. In particular ICSD is good at drawing structures using Jmol such that it is usually easy to see immediately the chemical interest of the structure. ICSD was the first to use this kind of drawing for inorganic structures, but it has now been adopted by all IUCr journals http://journals.iucr.org/ as well as other databases such as the Cambridge Organic database http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ the Zeolite database http://www.iza-structure.org/databases/ etc Alan. Frank Girgsdies said: > Dear Alan, > > isn't it a little bit unfair to list just the Pros but skip the Cons? > > We used to have a FINDIT subscription several years ago. Sadly, > our purchasing department canceled the subscription when we > got institutional access to the WWW version. > > If I remember correctly, FINDIT had far more options to customize > and tweak a search than the WWW interface offers. You could e.g. search > for reduced cells, conduct several consecutive searches and combine > the results, select positive hits from the list and skip the rest, > export the selected hits etc. All these are features which I miss > badly in the WWW version (Or is there a way? Maybe I'm using the wrong > engine (http://icsd.fkf.mpg.de)?) > > So, if you are just looking for a specific crystal structure, the > WWW version is nice because it is always up-to-date. > But if you try to condcut a systematic and as-complete-as-possible > study on a class of compounds, it can be really frustrating to > have just the WWW version instead of FINDIT. > > However, this is just a personal opinion based on experience from > several years ago. Maybe the boundary conditions have changed since > then... > > Best wishes, > Frank > > Alan Hewat wrote: >>> I have problem to use FINDIT software: after the starting windows, >>> sometimes it freeze. Is there anyone that know how resolve this >>> problem? >> >> FINDIT runs the PC version of the ICSD database. My personal opinion :-) >> is that you should switch to the WWW version on >> http://icsd.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ You can get a demo account and you can >> trade in your FINDIT license for a WWW ICSD license, which will always >> be up to date and run on any computer. >> >> Alan. __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __
Re: Find-it
Dear Alan, isn't it a little bit unfair to list just the Pros but skip the Cons? We used to have a FINDIT subscription several years ago. Sadly, our purchasing department canceled the subscription when we got institutional access to the WWW version. If I remember correctly, FINDIT had far more options to customize and tweak a search than the WWW interface offers. You could e.g. search for reduced cells, conduct several consecutive searches and combine the results, select positive hits from the list and skip the rest, export the selected hits etc. All these are features which I miss badly in the WWW version (Or is there a way? Maybe I'm using the wrong engine (http://icsd.fkf.mpg.de)?) So, if you are just looking for a specific crystal structure, the WWW version is nice because it is always up-to-date. But if you try to condcut a systematic and as-complete-as-possible study on a class of compounds, it can be really frustrating to have just the WWW version instead of FINDIT. However, this is just a personal opinion based on experience from several years ago. Maybe the boundary conditions have changed since then... Best wishes, Frank Alan Hewat wrote: I have problem to use FINDIT software: after the starting windows, sometimes it freeze. Is there anyone that know how resolve this problem? FINDIT runs the PC version of the ICSD database. My personal opinion :-) is that you should switch to the WWW version on http://icsd.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ You can get a demo account and you can trade in your FINDIT license for a WWW ICSD license, which will always be up to date and run on any computer. Alan. __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __
Re: Find-it
> I have problem to use FINDIT software: after the starting windows, > sometimes it freeze. Is there anyone that know how resolve this problem? FINDIT runs the PC version of the ICSD database. My personal opinion :-) is that you should switch to the WWW version on http://icsd.fiz-karlsruhe.de/ You can get a demo account and you can trade in your FINDIT license for a WWW ICSD license, which will always be up to date and run on any computer. Alan. __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __