Re: Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS)
At 14:43 22/04/2005, Angus P. Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do none of the user facilities have a data management system in place for their instruments? Well yes Angus :-) For the past 30+ years ILL has stored all instrument data as simple ASCII files with a data format described in the first few lines of the file. ASCII was chosen because it will survive generations of computer hardware and operating systems, because it is human readable, and because it compresses well if you need to do that. Neutron sources can afford to keep almost all data, but this is often not possible for data from high flux synchrotron sources. Fortunately (?) data storage capacities have grown much faster than neutron intensities and data volume. There are working groups and conferences on this subject, so I am copying this to our local expert if you want to follow it up. Alan. Dr Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax (33) 4.76.20.76.48 (33) 4.76.20.72.13 (.26 Mme Guillermet) http://www.ill.fr/dif/AlanHewat.htm ___
Re: Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS)
At 14:43 22/04/2005, Angus P. Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do none of the user facilities have a data management system in place for their instruments? Well yes Angus :-) For the past 30+ years ILL has stored all instrument data as simple ASCII files with a data format described in the first few lines of the file. I presume we all archive data files -- but a data management system records far more about the data and sample (metadata as the informatics folks like to say) than what shows up in the run header. We can locate all the data that were collected at 1500 K, but how about finding studies on all the samples that were quenched from 1500 K prior to measurement? Brian
Re: Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS)
Thanks for the e-notebook suggestion. Do none of the user facilities have a data management system in place for their instruments? Angus At 05:17 AM 4/22/2005 +0100, you wrote: Are any of you using a Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS) to keep track of powder diffraction and related measurements in a university or government laboratory environment? Alternatively, is there any good (and free) software available for archiving and managing large numbers of diffraction data sets from a multi-user instrument? While not exactly a LIMS system - you might like to check out the freeware Oak Ridge National Laboratory - Electronic Notebook Project: http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~geist/java/applets/enote/ It is a perl script that works via a webserver (windows or UNIX) We use it for the C2 neutron powder diffractometer at Chalk River (inside our intranet - so not viewable to the outside world) and it is brilliant. (especially if you have a habit of forgetting where you put down your paper notebook - or have multiple people using an instrument) If travelling or moving from building, (or overseas at a conference) it is easy to find and add information. It does not have 100% of the features I would like (and a few annoying nuances) - but it gets the job done (ability to search text, notarise entries (so they cannot be modified or deleted) - add photos, zip files, EXCEL files, zipped data, zipped GSAS results files, etc). It does require some discipline to use it - especially if in a rush or multi-tasking. For adding hand drawn pictures - using a USB INTUOS drawing tablet is probably the most appropriate as it does not need extra batteries. http://www.wacom.com/ Lachlan. -- --- Lachlan M. D. Cranswick Contact outside working hours / Coordonnees en dehors des heures de travail: E-mail / courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Tel: (613) 584-4226 Mobile/Cell: 613 401 3433 WWW: http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/ P.O. Box 2057, Deep River, Ontario, Canada, K0J 1P0 (please use clear titles in any Email - otherwise messages might accidentally get put in the SPAM list due to large amount of junk Email being received. If you don't get an expected reply to any messages, please try again.) (Essayez d'utiliser des titres explicites - sans quoi vos messages pourraient aboutir dans un dossier de rebuts, du fait de la quantite tres importante de pourriels recue. Si vous n'obtenez pas la reponse attendue, merci de bien vouloir renvoyer un message.) Dr. Angus P. Wilkinson School of Chemistry and Biochemistry Prof. Chemistry and BiochemistryGeorgia Institute of Technology Prof. Materials Science and Engineering 770 State St. Atlanta, GA 30332-0400 Tel: 404 894 4036 Fax: 404 894 7452
Re: Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS)
SNS is developing a rather elaborate Portal (I think it is Al Geist again, who did the enotebook, working on this) system and ISIS is pioneering software for data curation. These may exceed your needs, and right now I have the impression that it is as much research as construction. Only when we start using these things will be find out the value. You can get more information from Steve Miller at SNS. It would certainly be great to have some nice software application to take care of archiving and cataloging data...we perennially fight with this and have not found a satisfactory solution. Let me know when you do... Angus P. Wilkinson wrote: Thanks for the e-notebook suggestion. Do none of the user facilities have a data management system in place for their instruments? Angus At 05:17 AM 4/22/2005 +0100, you wrote: Are any of you using a Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS) to keep track of powder diffraction and related measurements in a university or government laboratory environment? Alternatively, is there any good (and free) software available for archiving and managing large numbers of diffraction data sets from a multi-user instrument? While not exactly a LIMS system - you might like to check out the freeware Oak Ridge National Laboratory - Electronic Notebook Project: http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~geist/java/applets/enote/ It is a perl script that works via a webserver (windows or UNIX) We use it for the C2 neutron powder diffractometer at Chalk River (inside our intranet - so not viewable to the outside world) and it is brilliant. (especially if you have a habit of forgetting where you put down your paper notebook - or have multiple people using an instrument) If travelling or moving from building, (or overseas at a conference) it is easy to find and add information. It does not have 100% of the features I would like (and a few annoying nuances) - but it gets the job done (ability to search text, notarise entries (so they cannot be modified or deleted) - add photos, zip files, EXCEL files, zipped data, zipped GSAS results files, etc). It does require some discipline to use it - especially if in a rush or multi-tasking. For adding hand drawn pictures - using a USB INTUOS drawing tablet is probably the most appropriate as it does not need extra batteries. http://www.wacom.com/ Lachlan. -- --- Lachlan M. D. Cranswick Contact outside working hours / Coordonnees en dehors des heures de travail: E-mail / courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Tel: (613) 584-4226 Mobile/Cell: 613 401 3433 WWW: http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/ P.O. Box 2057, Deep River, Ontario, Canada, K0J 1P0 (please use clear titles in any Email - otherwise messages might accidentally get put in the SPAM list due to large amount of junk Email being received. If you don't get an expected reply to any messages, please try again.) (Essayez d'utiliser des titres explicites - sans quoi vos messages pourraient aboutir dans un dossier de rebuts, du fait de la quantite tres importante de pourriels recue. Si vous n'obtenez pas la reponse attendue, merci de bien vouloir renvoyer un message.) Dr. Angus P. Wilkinson School of Chemistry and Biochemistry Prof. Chemistry and BiochemistryGeorgia Institute of Technology Prof. Materials Science and Engineering 770 State St. Atlanta, GA 30332-0400 Tel: 404 894 4036 Fax: 404 894 7452 -- Prof. Simon Billinge Department of Physics and Astronomy 4268 Biomed. Phys. Sciences Building Michigan State University East Lansing, MI 48824 tel: +1-517-355-9200 x2202 fax: +1-517-353-4500 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home: http://www.totalscattering.org/
Re: Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS)
Are any of you using a Laboratory Information Management Systems (LIMS) to keep track of powder diffraction and related measurements in a university or government laboratory environment? Alternatively, is there any good (and free) software available for archiving and managing large numbers of diffraction data sets from a multi-user instrument? While not exactly a LIMS system - you might like to check out the freeware Oak Ridge National Laboratory - Electronic Notebook Project: http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~geist/java/applets/enote/ It is a perl script that works via a webserver (windows or UNIX) We use it for the C2 neutron powder diffractometer at Chalk River (inside our intranet - so not viewable to the outside world) and it is brilliant. (especially if you have a habit of forgetting where you put down your paper notebook - or have multiple people using an instrument) If travelling or moving from building, (or overseas at a conference) it is easy to find and add information. It does not have 100% of the features I would like (and a few annoying nuances) - but it gets the job done (ability to search text, notarise entries (so they cannot be modified or deleted) - add photos, zip files, EXCEL files, zipped data, zipped GSAS results files, etc). It does require some discipline to use it - especially if in a rush or multi-tasking. For adding hand drawn pictures - using a USB INTUOS drawing tablet is probably the most appropriate as it does not need extra batteries. http://www.wacom.com/ Lachlan. -- --- Lachlan M. D. Cranswick Contact outside working hours / Coordonnees en dehors des heures de travail: E-mail / courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Tel: (613) 584-4226 Mobile/Cell: 613 401 3433 WWW: http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/ P.O. Box 2057, Deep River, Ontario, Canada, K0J 1P0 (please use clear titles in any Email - otherwise messages might accidentally get put in the SPAM list due to large amount of junk Email being received. If you don't get an expected reply to any messages, please try again.) (Essayez d'utiliser des titres explicites - sans quoi vos messages pourraient aboutir dans un dossier de rebuts, du fait de la quantite tres importante de pourriels recue. Si vous n'obtenez pas la reponse attendue, merci de bien vouloir renvoyer un message.)
