Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Guy Meyer]

Hello,

I am currently out of the office until January 2nd.

If this is an urgent message please reach out to my manager Robert Kisteleki or 
myself directly at +31 643419539.

Happy holidays :)
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On 30 Sep 2022, at 17:38, Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas  
wrote:

> It was shown at RIPE84:
> 
> https://mobile.twitter.com/bortzmeyer/status/1526932317838745602
> 
> BR,
> Simon
> 
> 
> On 30.09.22 18:17, Ernst J. Oud wrote:
> L.S.
> 
> Is there a sneak preview of the V5 probes available somewhere?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ernst J. Oud
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Guy Meyer]

Hello,

I am currently out of the office until January 2nd.

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On 2 Oct 2022, at 02:05, Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas  
wrote:

> By the way, a lot of them are already registered (Probe IDs 6).
> 
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60006/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60008/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60009/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60011/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60012/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60018/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60019/
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60023/
> ...
> https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/63101/
> 
> Currently, there are ~3100 registered v5 probes, of which only 35 are online. 
> The others are not yet in use (never connected). As far as i can see, the 
> first v5 probes went online in january this year. The architecture type is 
> "atlas-mox".
> 
> 
> BR,
> Simon
> 
> 
> On 30.09.22 18:38, ripe@toppas.net wrote:
> It was shown at RIPE84:
> 
> https://mobile.twitter.com/bortzmeyer/status/1526932317838745602
> 
> BR,
> Simon
> 
> 
> On 30.09.22 18:17, Ernst J. Oud wrote:
> L.S.
> 
> Is there a sneak preview of the V5 probes available somewhere?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ernst J. Oud
> 
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Guy Meyer]

Hello,

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On 2 Oct 2022, at 14:27, Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas  
wrote:

> You can get the specs from the RIPE84 photo:
> 
> 256MB DDR3L - SK Hynix H5TC4G63CFR
> 4GB eMMC Flash - SK Hynix H26M31001HPR
> ARMv8 CPU - Marvell Armada 3720 (88F3720)
> Micro-USB Port
> 
> But the sample shown at RIPE84 was a prototype. Some things might have 
> changed.
> 
> However, it looks like the prototype has some GPIO ports? Oh boy, what can we 
> expect? Hardware extension boards? Maybe we could create some sort of global 
> radiation measurement network, connect outdoor heat sensors or stuff like 
> that^^
> 
> 
> BR,
> Simon
> 
> 
> On 02.10.22 14:58, Eric Kochen wrote:
> Have a look at this:
> 
> https://atlas.ripe.net/docs/probe-v5/
> 
> Might be USB-C?
> 
> Op 2 okt. 2022, om 14:33 heeft Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB. 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Guy Meyer]

Hello,

I am currently out of the office until January 2nd.

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myself directly at +31 643419539.

Happy holidays :)
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On 2 Oct 2022, at 21:39, Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas  
wrote:

> Hi Bjørn,
> 
> Micro-USB is mechanically inferior: less reliable (easier to accidentally 
> disconnect) and less robust than USB Type-C.
> 
> 
> 
> Oct 2, 2022 16:12:35 Bjørn Mork :
> 
> Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas  writes:
> 
> I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB.
> 
> Why would that matter?  It's not like you're going to share the cable
> with other devices, or ever unplug it from the probe.
> 
> The only factor I can imagine matter to anyone would be plug-n-play
> replacement of older probes. Which gives Micro USB a small advantage.
> 
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Guy Meyer]

Hello,

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myself directly at +31 643419539.

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On 2 Oct 2022, at 13:33, Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas  
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> I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB. 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Guy Meyer]

Hello,

I am currently out of the office until January 2nd.

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myself directly at +31 643419539.

Happy holidays :)
Guy Meyer

On 3 Oct 2022, at 11:37, Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas  
wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> i noticed that v1 probes are stuck with Firmware Version 4790. Does that 
> mean, they are missing crucial functionalities of the later firmwares?
> 
> BR,
> Simon
> 
> 
> On 03.10.22 09:37, Robert Kisteleki wrote:
> Deal All, 
> 
> Let me provide some information about the v5 probes, as it seems some of you 
> are interested in the details :-) 
> 
> The technical bits: the probes are derived from Turris Mox, "simplified" to 
> match our need (e.g. no WiFi). The specs include: Marvell Armada 3720 CPU, 
> 4GB eMMC, 512MB RAM, 1Gb ethernet, microUSB power. 
> 
> A few of these are up and running already, hosted by testers (incl. some 
> staff). We are gearing up to start distributing them via the usual channels 
> (applications, ambassadors, sponsors, ...) 
> 
> We do not (yet) recommend "upgrading" form earlier probes, as long as those 
> still work. Of course we're always interested in new locations/networks to 
> cover, so feel free to propose that! :-) 
> 
> Regards, 
> Robert Kisteleki 
> for the RIPE Atlas team 
> 
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Colin Johnston]

yeh, v5 probe registered and working fine :)

home fibre fttc v5 probe

   - General 
   - Network 
   - Built-ins 
   - UDMs 
   - Status (beta) 

IPv4
Edit  
Internet Address 86.164.3.169 
ASN 2856  (BT-UK-AS - British
Telecommunications PLC)
Local Address 192.168.1.162 
Gateway 192.168.1.254 
Netmask 255.255.255.0 
DNS Resolvers

   - 192.168.1.254 

IPv6
Edit  
Current Configuration
Addresses fdaa:bbcc:ddee:0:da58:d7ff:fe03:204/64

2a00:23c5:32a2:1f01:da58:d7ff:fe03:204/64

ASN 2856  (BT-UK-AS - British
Telecommunications PLC)
Gateway(s) fe80::3224:78ff:fec4:7193

Probe Address Discovery (What's this?)
IPv4IPv6
Connection Address  86.164.3.169  -
IP Echo Service  -  2a00:23c5:32a2:1f01:da58:d7ff:fe03:204
The Local IP  192.168.1.162  2a00:23c5:32a2:1f01:da58:d7ff:fe03:204
Connection Information

Probe's birthday: 2022-11-10
Time ConnectedPercent
Last Week 0h 18m 100.00%
Last Month 0h 18m 100.00%
All Time 0h 18m 99.98%Connection History (Showing only the last 25)
Internet AddressControllerConnected (UTC)Connected forDisconnected
(UTC)Disconnected
for
86.164.3.169 ctr-nue22 2022-11-10 10:25:39 0h 18m Still Connected Download
Connection LogsSelect a date range SOS History (Showing only the last 25)

The probe sends a message using DNS queries every time it tries to
reconnect to the system. Below you can find a list of the most recent
messages. The "power-up time" column shows the approximate "powered-up
time" of the probe at the time of sending the message.
ResolverTime (UTC)Query TypePower-up TimeInfo
81.134.98.38 2022-11-10 10:24:14  0h 0m
81.134.98.39 2022-11-10 10:24:14  0h 0m

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 10:32, Colin Johnston  wrote:

> My v5 probe has arrived in uk :)
> Probe id 60911
>
> Can it be assigned to me please ?
> Same user as probe #2317
>
> Colin
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> > On 3 Oct 2022, at 08:38, Robert Kisteleki  wrote:
> >
> > Deal All,
> >
> > Let me provide some information about the v5 probes, as it seems some of
> you are interested in the details :-)
> >
> > The technical bits: the probes are derived from Turris Mox, "simplified"
> to match our need (e.g. no WiFi). The specs include: Marvell Armada 3720
> CPU, 4GB eMMC, 512MB RAM, 1Gb ethernet, microUSB power.
> >
> > A few of these are up and running already, hosted by testers (incl. some
> staff). We are gearing up to start distributing them via the usual channels
> (applications, ambassadors, sponsors, ...)
> >
> > We do not (yet) recommend "upgrading" form earlier probes, as long as
> those still work. Of course we're always interested in new
> locations/networks to cover, so feel free to propose that! :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert Kisteleki
> > for the RIPE Atlas team
> >
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Colin Johnston]

My v5 probe has arrived in uk :)
Probe id 60911

Can it be assigned to me please ?
Same user as probe #2317

Colin

Sent from my iPod

> On 3 Oct 2022, at 08:38, Robert Kisteleki  wrote:
> 
> Deal All,
> 
> Let me provide some information about the v5 probes, as it seems some of you 
> are interested in the details :-)
> 
> The technical bits: the probes are derived from Turris Mox, "simplified" to 
> match our need (e.g. no WiFi). The specs include: Marvell Armada 3720 CPU, 
> 4GB eMMC, 512MB RAM, 1Gb ethernet, microUSB power.
> 
> A few of these are up and running already, hosted by testers (incl. some 
> staff). We are gearing up to start distributing them via the usual channels 
> (applications, ambassadors, sponsors, ...)
> 
> We do not (yet) recommend "upgrading" form earlier probes, as long as those 
> still work. Of course we're always interested in new locations/networks to 
> cover, so feel free to propose that! :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Robert Kisteleki
> for the RIPE Atlas team
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Niall O'Reilly]

On 6 Oct 2022, at 11:11, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:

> That's pretty cool!

+1

> So my v1 is not that rare, given there are still some 440 connected.

-1; mine died ...

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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Carsten Schiefner]

On 06.10.2022 09:44, Robert Kisteleki wrote:

[...]

Today we have about 440 v1 and 690 v2 connected. [...]


Oh, you've spoiled my little social experiment, Robert! Too bad... ;->

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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Carsten Schiefner]

On 06.10.2022 09:29, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:
Out of curiosity: How many active V1 probes are still out there? How 
many were distributed?


How about simply counting them through? That'd be nicely interactive!

ONE!

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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Daniel AJ Sokolov]

On 10/6/22 01:14, Daniel Karrenberg wrote:

Wy more stable! Some are approaching twelve years *uptime*.

At the time we were very concerned about the limited flash memory write 
cycles. It turns out the v1/v2 hardware exceeds the specs by a huge 
margin in this area.


That's pretty cool!

So my v1 is not that rare, given there are still some 440 connected.

They were a marvellous investment, I must say!
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Daniel Karrenberg]

On 06-10-2022 09:44, Robert Kisteleki wrote:


Today we have about 440 v1 and 690 v2 connected. These have proven to 
be way more stable than we anticipated; as you can see many have been 
running for over 10 years now!


Wy more stable! Some are approaching twelve years *uptime*.

At the time we were very concerned about the limited flash memory write 
cycles. It turns out the v1/v2 hardware exceeds the specs by a huge 
margin in this area.


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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Robert Kisteleki]

On 2022-10-06 09:29, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:
Out of curiosity: How many active V1 probes are still out there? How 
many were distributed?


BR
Daniel AJ



The maximum number of v1 probes ever alive at the same time was about 
1000 (in 2012). We made about 1500 of these.
The maximum number of v2 probes ever alive at the same time was about 
1800 (i 2013). We made about 3000 of these.


(v1 and v2 are almost the same device; both have 16MB flash, v1 has 8MB 
RAM, v2 has 16MB RAM)


Today we have about 440 v1 and 690 v2 connected. These have proven to be 
way more stable than we anticipated; as you can see many have been 
running for over 10 years now!


(We will publish graphs to illustrate this, please stand by :-)

Regards,
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Daniel AJ Sokolov]

Out of curiosity: How many active V1 probes are still out there? How 
many were distributed?


BR
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Colin Johnston]

Have applied for v5 probe just now

Colin

Sent from my iPod

> On 6 Oct 2022, at 06:15, Lia Hestina  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin and all,
> 
> You can request for a replacement when your current probe is broken or has 
> become unstable.
> Kindly apply directly here: https://atlas.ripe.net/apply/
> 
> Regards,
> Lia
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2022, at 13:33, Colin Johnston  wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone put me down for a v1 to v5 replacement please ?
>> My v1 at present powered by usb from bt homehub
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Colin
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
 On 3 Oct 2022, at 12:19, Robert Kisteleki  wrote:
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Lia Hestina]

Hi Colin and all,

You can request for a replacement when your current probe is broken or has 
become unstable.
Kindly apply directly here: https://atlas.ripe.net/apply/

Regards,
Lia

> On 3 Oct 2022, at 13:33, Colin Johnston  wrote:
> 
> Can someone put me down for a v1 to v5 replacement please ?
> My v1 at present powered by usb from bt homehub
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Colin
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2022, at 12:19, Robert Kisteleki  wrote:
>> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Colin Johnston]

Can someone put me down for a v1 to v5 replacement please ?
My v1 at present powered by usb from bt homehub

Thanks in advance

Colin

Sent from my iPod

> On 3 Oct 2022, at 12:19, Robert Kisteleki  wrote:
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Robert Kisteleki]

On 2022-10-03 12:37, Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas wrote:

Hi Robert,

i noticed that v1 probes are stuck with Firmware Version 4790. Does that 
mean, they are missing crucial functionalities of the later firmwares?


BR,
Simon


Indeed v1-v2 probes have not received new functionality since then. 
Therefore they don't do more modern measurements or options we added 
since (essentially because they don't have enough capacity to handle 
more code). Their numbers are diminishing though, and for the most part 
our infrastructure selects other probes if a measurement depends on such 
new, "crucial" features.


Regards,
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas]

Hi Robert,

i noticed that v1 probes are stuck with Firmware Version 4790. Does that mean, 
they are missing crucial functionalities of the later firmwares?

BR,
Simon


On 03.10.22 09:37, Robert Kisteleki wrote:

Deal All,

Let me provide some information about the v5 probes, as it seems some of you 
are interested in the details :-)

The technical bits: the probes are derived from Turris Mox, "simplified" to 
match our need (e.g. no WiFi). The specs include: Marvell Armada 3720 CPU, 4GB eMMC, 
512MB RAM, 1Gb ethernet, microUSB power.

A few of these are up and running already, hosted by testers (incl. some 
staff). We are gearing up to start distributing them via the usual channels 
(applications, ambassadors, sponsors, ...)

We do not (yet) recommend "upgrading" form earlier probes, as long as those 
still work. Of course we're always interested in new locations/networks to cover, so feel 
free to propose that! :-)

Regards,
Robert Kisteleki
for the RIPE Atlas team


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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Robert Kisteleki]

Deal All,

Let me provide some information about the v5 probes, as it seems some of 
you are interested in the details :-)


The technical bits: the probes are derived from Turris Mox, "simplified" 
to match our need (e.g. no WiFi). The specs include: Marvell Armada 3720 
CPU, 4GB eMMC, 512MB RAM, 1Gb ethernet, microUSB power.


A few of these are up and running already, hosted by testers (incl. some 
staff). We are gearing up to start distributing them via the usual 
channels (applications, ambassadors, sponsors, ...)


We do not (yet) recommend "upgrading" form earlier probes, as long as 
those still work. Of course we're always interested in new 
locations/networks to cover, so feel free to propose that! :-)


Regards,
Robert Kisteleki
for the RIPE Atlas team


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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Bjørn Mork]

Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas  writes:

> Micro-USB is mechanically inferior: less reliable (easier to
> accidentally disconnect) and less robust than USB Type-C.

Maybe...

But you can do a lot better than Type-C for power connector if that's
the criteria.  Even the smallest barrel connectors are more robust than
a Type-C connector.

Wrt the accidental disconnects I'm not even sure Type-C is better than
Micro-USB.  I'd like to see some statistics.  A rarely disconnected
Micro-USB connector will have the two "hooks" intact, and will be pretty
hard to disconnect even if you pull the wire.  I don't think it's fair
to compare Type-C to a Micro-USB connector which is worn-out due to
regular re-connection, if that's what you're thinking about.

Anecdotically, my experience is that the Type-C is easily disconnected
by a dog, using only his paws...

But it wasn't my intention to campaign against Type-C.  I just wondered
what made that part of the design significant enough to make a wishlist.

I'd rather see PoE if you really want to make the power connector more
reliable. But I accept the price vs value arguments previously made
against PoE.


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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas]

Hi Bjørn,

Micro-USB is mechanically inferior: less reliable (easier to accidentally 
disconnect) and less robust than USB Type-C.



Oct 2, 2022 16:12:35 Bjørn Mork :

> Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas  writes:
> 
>> I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB.
> 
> Why would that matter?  It's not like you're going to share the cable
> with other devices, or ever unplug it from the probe.
> 
> The only factor I can imagine matter to anyone would be plug-n-play
> replacement of older probes. Which gives Micro USB a small advantage.
> 
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Stephan Müller]

Do we know if users of the old probes can request an upgrade or if an upgrade 
makes sense at all? (running one of the first probes still on v1)

> Am 30.09.2022 um 18:17 schrieb Ernst J. Oud :
> 
> L.S.
> 
> Is there a sneak preview of the V5 probes available somewhere?
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Bjørn Mork]

Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas  writes:

> I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB.

Why would that matter?  It's not like you're going to share the cable
with other devices, or ever unplug it from the probe.

The only factor I can imagine matter to anyone would be plug-n-play
replacement of older probes. Which gives Micro USB a small advantage.


Bjørn

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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas]

You can get the specs from the RIPE84 photo:

256MB DDR3L - SK Hynix H5TC4G63CFR
4GB eMMC Flash - SK Hynix H26M31001HPR
ARMv8 CPU - Marvell Armada 3720 (88F3720)
Micro-USB Port

But the sample shown at RIPE84 was a prototype. Some things might have changed.

However, it looks like the prototype has some GPIO ports? Oh boy, what can we 
expect? Hardware extension boards? Maybe we could create some sort of global 
radiation measurement network, connect outdoor heat sensors or stuff like that^^


BR,
Simon


On 02.10.22 14:58, Eric Kochen wrote:

Have a look at this:

https://atlas.ripe.net/docs/probe-v5/

Might be USB-C?


Op 2 okt. 2022, om 14:33 heeft Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas 
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I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB.
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Eric Kochen]

Have a look at this:

https://atlas.ripe.net/docs/probe-v5/ 

Might be USB-C?

> Op 2 okt. 2022, om 14:33 heeft Alexander Burke via ripe-atlas 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB. 
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I really hope that's USB-C and not Micro USB.
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Re: [atlas] V5 probes

[Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas]

By the way, a lot of them are already registered (Probe IDs 6).

https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60006/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60008/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60009/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60011/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60012/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60018/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60019/
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/60023/
...
https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/63101/

Currently, there are ~3100 registered v5 probes, of which only 35 are online. The others 
are not yet in use (never connected). As far as i can see, the first v5 probes went 
online in january this year. The architecture type is "atlas-mox".


BR,
Simon


On 30.09.22 18:38, ripe@toppas.net wrote:

It was shown at RIPE84:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bortzmeyer/status/1526932317838745602

BR,
Simon


On 30.09.22 18:17, Ernst J. Oud wrote:

L.S.

Is there a sneak preview of the V5 probes available somewhere?

Regards,

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[Simon Brandt via ripe-atlas]

It was shown at RIPE84:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bortzmeyer/status/1526932317838745602

BR,
Simon


On 30.09.22 18:17, Ernst J. Oud wrote:

L.S.

Is there a sneak preview of the V5 probes available somewhere?

Regards,

Ernst J. Oud

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[atlas] V5 probes

[Ernst J. Oud]

L.S.

Is there a sneak preview of the V5 probes available somewhere?

Regards,

Ernst J. Oud

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