Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Tagging songs that are part of multiple-volume-collections
Lets define a compilation. Definition 1 - an album that has tracks which were previously released on another album or as singles etc but are all by the same artist. This album might for example be a best of Definition 2 - an album containing multiple tracks by multiple different artists. A Now album for example Both definitions are correct and both are in general use. However my definition when used in conjunction with LMS is a VA album ie definition 2. I want my definition 1 compilation albums to appear under the single artist. Best of Cream should appear under Cream. My tagging strategy ensures this is the case. When I say I have no albums that contain a compilation tag I mean just that. None. None with compilation=0 and none with compilation=1. (I have had situations where some ripping software has initially stuck a compilation=1 into my album and the result is that when looked at via New Music the album appears as by VA. Removing the tag will correctly list it under the AA.) When I say I use multiple AAs I also mean just that. My favourite example is B.B. King & Eric Clapton, Riding With The King. It is tagged in mp3tag as follows: AA - B.B. King & Eric Clapton; B.B. King; Eric Clapton Track Artist - B.B. King & Eric Clapton The result is that LMS reads that as 3 separate tags and it therefore appears in my library under all 3 AAs which is what I want. (In the default GUI when you look at the album its a bit messy but Material - by accident of design - only displays the first AA which is perfect.) I do not have and will never have anything where the AA is tagged as VA as LMS can deal with a definition 2 compilation quite happily if there is no AA tag in place but the album has multiple track artists. You mention that there are inconsistencies if this is the case. I have not experienced any and my library is quite extensive. I do not use any other music playback software so I do not care whether Apple Music etc baulks at the lack of any AA. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110800 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Tagging songs that are part of multiple-volume-collections
d6jg wrote: > Sorry but I totally disagree with you. you can disagree all u want, but facts are facts. d6jg wrote: > I dont have a single compilation tag in my 35,000 track library as it > forces Various Artists in place of a legitimate AA. explain what you mean by this? in my usage, LMS will always use the AA tag, and will ID something as a comp if a comp tag is present. what exactly are you seeing, and where do you see the undesired behavior? d6jg wrote: > I use multiple AAs but as far as Now Thats What I Call Music type > compilations go I totally stand by the leave AA blank comment. LMS > correctly recognises the album as a compilation and puts it in the right > place. so you do use AA tags? so you understand then that LMS will incorrectly identify SOME albums as comps that in reality aren't comps, if you don't use them, in those cases. d6jg wrote: > I acknowledge that the OP may be looking for a different grouping > strategy and I dont have an answer for that specifically except that > using my tagging strategy all Now Series albums would appear together by > virtue of alphabetical sorting in both Compilations and in the default > VA. in a running big list, that might be true, but not necessarily always true, and it only applies in a big list, not a specific results set. d6jg wrote: > What is a compilation album anyway? Id suggest that there are two > definitions both of which are in general use at the same time. now you're speaking my language. LMS, itunes, and others have always been ridiculous in this regard. while it is possible to rule out many things as being a comp, ultimately there is no automatic method i have seen that is reliable for determining what is a comp in reality. yes, LMS uses predictable rules, but so what? those rules are often wrong in the result they generate. what i outlined above is by far the best method, and it works not only on LMS, but pretty much all other software and devices i am aware of: 1. use AA tags on everything. (a rule that works for basically all software and devices) AA tags work as a sort method when browsing by AA tags. 2. use an explicit comp tag on anything you want to be identified as a comp. (a rule that works for LMS, apple, and many other software/devices that recognize comp tags) 3. change the LMS default in settings that denotes comps from "Various Artists" to something not in your tags. (a LMS specific rule to overcome the string conflict bug 9523 in LMS) you do those 3 things above, and you will have perfect sorting, perfect compilation detection/identification, and nothing missing from your AA list (or other lists) due to the string conflict bug. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110800 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Tagging songs that are part of multiple-volume-collections
BJW wrote: > you can use the albumartist tag for that, i see np doing so. i use the > AA tag as my default sort tag. most times the AA tag equals the artist > tag, (not for guest artists obviously), but otherwise its just a way to > group tracks together and sort a disc into an albumartist list. > > i use "Various Artists" but i also use "Soundtrack (TV)" and "Soundtrack > (Film)" or Film Score, or "Comedy" or whatever suits my purposes to get > the disc to sort where i want it to. my albumartist list is basically A > to Z by band or artist name, but otherwise the comp terms i use i think > of as kind of similar to the categories you might find in a sam goody or > tower records... again, i just use the term that will place the material > where i would expect to find it in the big A to Z list. > > (i don't use dedicated sort tags b/c they aren't well supported by other > apps and devices) > > > > totally disagree. i find LMS and all other software works best if you > have an AA tag on everything. > > then, if you want LMS to know such and such is a comp, simply add an > explicit comp=1 tag. > > > > yes, LMS will classify any artist mismatch that lacks an AA tag as a > comp, that is true. its also completely arbitrary and inaccurate. not > every artist mismatch lacking an AA tag is indeed a comp in reality. > > it also means the OP will have all their examples under one AA heading, > which doesn't sound to me like what he wants. > > > > what? thats the first i ever heard that. what is wrong with an > explicit comp=1 tag IF you want to ID something as a comp? > > > > nasty bugs with LMS, including ole 9523. but you can avoid all that > nastiness and string conflict by assigning everything an AA tag, using a > comp=1 tag where you want, and changing the (stupid) default setting in > LMS to use a string term that isn't in your files tags, (meaning, change > the LMS term of "Various Artists" for comps to anything else that > hopefully isn't anywhere in your tags, like maybe "-Various Artists-" > > see links in my sig below for more info. Sorry but I totally disagree with you. I dont have a single compilation tag in my 35,000 track library as it forces Various Artists in place of a legitimate AA. I use multiple AAs but as far as Now Thats What I Call Music type compilations go I totally stand by the leave AA blank comment. LMS correctly recognises the album as a compilation and puts it in the right place. I acknowledge that the OP may be looking for a different grouping strategy and I dont have an answer for that specifically except that using my tagging strategy all Now Series albums would appear together by virtue of alphabetical sorting in both Compilations and in the default VA. What is a compilation album anyway? Id suggest that there are two definitions both of which are in general use at the same time. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110800 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Tagging songs that are part of multiple-volume-collections
retro80s wrote: > I'm trying to group albums together that have multiple volumes that have > an AlbumArtist of "Various Artists", however I'd like to be able to see > all of those albums in one view as a collection of multiple volumes. > > For example, there are many volumes to "Billboard Top Hits", "Now That's > What I Call Music", "Your Hit Parade", "Richard Blade's Flashback > Favorites", etc. > > I'd like to be able to view all of the albums that are part of that > "Volume Collection" together. What's the best way to tag songs to be > part of a "larger" collection? > > Would it be best to tag AlbumArtist for multiple volume collections like > the following? > > "Various Artists;Billboard Top Hits" > "Various Artists;Now That's What I Call Music" > "Various Artists;Your Hit Parade" > "Various Artists;Richard Blade's Flashback Favorites" > > ...etc, etc, etc? > > What is your best way to group muliple-volume-collections? you can use the albumartist tag for that, i see np doing so. i use the AA tag as my default sort tag. most times the AA tag equals the artist tag, (not for guest artists obviously), but otherwise its just a way to group tracks together and sort a disc into an albumartist list. i use "Various Artists" but i also use "Soundtrack (TV)" and "Soundtrack (Film)" or Film Score, or "Comedy" or whatever suits my purposes to get the disc to sort where i want it to. my albumartist list is basically A to Z by band or artist name, but otherwise the comp terms i use i think of as kind of similar to the categories you might find in a sam goody or tower records... again, i just use the term that will place the material where i would expect to find it in the bug A to Z list. (i don't use dedicated sort tags b/c they aren't well supported by other apps and devices) d6jg wrote: > Generally speaking it is best to leave AlbumArtist blank when tagging > compilations. totally disagree. i find LMS and all other software works best if you have an AA tag on everything. then, if you want LMS to know such and such is a comp, simply add an explicit comp=1 tag. d6jg wrote: > LMS is designed to note that there are multiple different track artists > and will treat it as a compilation which will appear under whatever you > told it to under Settings / My Music e.g. Various Artists and also under > "Compilations" yes, LMS will classify any artist mismatch that lacks an AA tag as a comp, that is true. its also completely arbitrary and inaccurate. not every artist mismatch lacking an AA tag is indeed a comp in reality. it also means the OP will have all their examples under one AA heading, which doesn't sound to me like what he wants. d6jg wrote: > There is a "Compilation" tag which LMS will read during scan but again > general advice is not to use it. what? thats the first i ever heard that. what is wrong with an explicit comp=1 tag IF you want to ID something as a comp? d6jg wrote: > If you actually tag AlbumArtist as Various Artists it will list under > "Various Artists" but not under Compilations. nasty bugs with LMS, including ole 9523. but you can avoid all that nastiness and string conflict by assigning everything an AA tag, using a comp=1 tag where you want, and changing the (stupid) default setting in LMS to use a string term that isn't in your files tags, (meaning, change the LMS term of "Various Artists" for comps to anything else that hopefully isn't anywhere in your tags, like maybe "-Various Artists-" see links in my sig below for more info. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110800 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Tagging songs that are part of multiple-volume-collections
retro80s wrote: > Lots of key words in my title of this post for search engines. > > I'm trying to group albums together that have multiple volumes that have > an AlbumArtist of "Various Artists", however I'd like to be able to see > all of those albums in one view as a collection of multiple volumes. > > For example, there are many volumes to "Billboard Top Hits", "Now That's > What I Call Music", "Your Hit Parade", "Richard Blade's Flashback > Favorites", etc. > > I'd like to be able to view all of the albums that are part of that > "Volume Collection" together. What's the best way to tag songs to be > part of a "larger" collection? > > Would it be best to tag AlbumArtist for multiple volume collections like > the following? > > "Various Artists;Billboard Top Hits" > "Various Artists;Now That's What I Call Music" > "Various Artists;Your Hit Parade" > "Various Artists;Richard Blade's Flashback Favorites" > > ...etc, etc, etc? > > What is your best way to group muliple-volume-collections? Generally speaking it is best to leave AlbumArtist blank when tagging compilations. LMS is designed to note that there are multiple different track artists and will treat it as a compilation which will appear under whatever you told it to under Settings / My Music e.g. Various Artists and also under "Compilations" There is a "Compilation" tag which LMS will read during scan but again general advice is not to use it. If you actually tag AlbumArtist as Various Artists it will list under "Various Artists" but not under Compilations. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110800 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
